D4 In-Car Navigation System

[GeorgeK]

Hi Everyone,

I have had my new D4 HSE for a grand total of 4 days. Yes, I have a permagrin but no I don't know how to post photos...yet. Any advice would be gratefully accepted.

However my concern in this thread is the in-car nav system. Is it me or are other people also underwhelmed by this system? I have used it several times and it seems to me to as technologically advanced now as where Tom Tom and others were about 3 years ago.

I have played with the in-car nav system and the voice guidance does not recite street names, it does not display school zones, fixed red-light cameras and nor does it display speed limits. These features are fairly basic to even the cheapest Tom Tom, Navman, Garmin etc nowadays. I may have not set it up correctly and is so I would be grateful for advice.

Am I whinging for no reason? Are my expectations too high? Are there any improvements in sight?

Cheers

George

[drivesafe]

Am I whinging for no reason? Are my expectations too high? Are there any improvements in sight?

Not at all, this is one of the very few down sides to the LRs.

The sat nav is a joke and I suspect it is only here in Australia that these features are not available.

My 08 RR has the same set up and the yanks have access to the features you have posted about and the one that gets right up my nose big time, is the fact that you can not enter addresses while on the move.

This feature can be activated overseas but not here.

I honestly consider the sat nav in these vehicles is just not worth the additional cost, especially as you have pointed out, a $200 off the shelf system does heaps more.

BTW, wait till you go to buy an update for your maps. Be seated when they tell you the price.

[P38ace]

Hi George,

No you have good reason to complain considering the price of OEM Satnavs.

Bad news however. There may well be some features you've not found yet but I can say for sure that there is not a OEM system on the the market by any manufacturer which can compete with the features on a $300 portable.

It's not only features which are missing but the routing algorithms are usually atrocious and addresses can't be entered on the move. For reasons of liability OEM satnavs are programmed for the lowest common denominator of driver and I don't think that's likely to change. For anyone with an interest in GPS & driving they just don't cut it. To add insult to injury when you need to upgrade the map DVD it will cost around $300 a time. Do yourself a favour up front and buy a portable for the windscreen. :)

[Celtoid]

Hi George,

No you have good reason to complain considering the price of OEM Satnavs.

Bad news however. There may well be some features you've not found yet but I can say for sure that there is not a OEM system on the the market by any manufacturer which can compete with the features on a $300 portable.

It's not only features which are missing but the routing algorithms are usually atrocious and addresses can't be entered on the move. For reasons of liability OEM satnavs are programmed for the lowest common denominator of driver and I don't think that's likely to change. For anyone with an interest in GPS & driving they just don't cut it. To add insult to injury when you need to upgrade the map DVD it will cost around $300 a time. Do yourself a favour up front and buy a portable for the windscreen. :)

Hi P38ace,

Fortunately I didn't pay for mine as it came with the car being a Demo model.....so it seems great for me....since it was free, LOL!!! Probably this feeling is helped by the fact that I've never owned one before. :)

On a serious note however, are you aware when the latest update for the GPS was available? I have a 2009 D4.....built September, came to Oz in October.

Also, do you get the disc from LR or the Whereis people?

Cheers,

Kev.

[gghaggis]

On the 2010 models, isn't the software is on the car's hard-drive? Meaning there is no DVD update - the dealer has to update the hard-drive.

Cheers,

Gordon

[P38ace]

Hi Celtoid,

If you have a DVD system then buy from Whereis as it's likely to be cheaper than a LR dealer. Version 16 is current and can be found here

Whereis® | Buy Map Updates | Land Rover - Sensis (http://www.whereismaps.com/buy-map-updates_built-in-car-navigation_product.aspx?view=12&country=AU&device=76)

I'm not that familiar with the D4 or 2010 models but I believe a map update may be a dealer only hard drive upgrade over IDS/SDD as suggested above.

If so I'm sure it won't be cheap and the portable device is still a better option !

The factory system will get you to a destination but will usually route the long way round using major highways. Try it out on some routes you know well.

[Celtoid]

Hi Celtoid,

If you have a DVD system then buy from Whereis as it's likely to be cheaper than a LR dealer. Version 16 is current and can be found here

Whereis® | Buy Map Updates | Land Rover - Sensis (http://www.whereismaps.com/buy-map-updates_built-in-car-navigation_product.aspx?view=12&country=AU&device=76)

I'm not that familiar with the D4 or 2010 models but I believe a map update may be a dealer only hard drive upgrade over IDS/SDD as suggested above.

If so I'm sure it won't be cheap and the portable device is still a better option !

The factory system will get you to a destination but will usually route the long way round using major highways. Try it out on some routes you know well.


Thanks P38ace and Gordon.

I don't have a DVD player in mine, just has audio selections. I got told by the dealer I bought the car from in Cairns that it was a HD download and yet my local who has serviced the car recons it's a disc....:confused:

Very frustrating.

Might have to be more specific in my questions.

[P38ace]

OK, after a little research here's the D4 specifics.

Map information stored on a hard-drive located within the TSD (touch screen display) is used to determine the best route for the journey and provide the driver with details of directions and approaching junctions.

If the vehicle requires a map upgrade or a new region loading, an enabling code along with the map data must be purchased. Map upgrades to the hard-drive unit need to be carried out by a Land Rover dealer using Land Rover approved diagnostic equipment.

[Celtoid]

OK, after a little research here's the D4 specifics.

Map information stored on a hard-drive located within the TSD (touch screen display) is used to determine the best route for the journey and provide the driver with details of directions and approaching junctions.

If the vehicle requires a map upgrade or a new region loading, an enabling code along with the map data must be purchased. Map upgrades to the hard-drive unit need to be carried out by a Land Rover dealer using Land Rover approved diagnostic equipment.


Thanks mate....doesn't give you much faith in the local LR dealership does it?

I'll take it up with them, next time I'm in.

[P38ace]

..doesn't give you much faith in the local LR dealership does it?


If by 'local' you mean Brisbane, then personally I lost all faith in them about 15 years ago and they've not improved any from what I read here.

Bit of a drive, but I go to the Gold Coast for service.

[Neil P]

If by 'local' you mean Brisbane, then personally I lost all faith in them about 15 years ago and they've not improved any from what I read here.



It's interesting to read other LR Owner Sites from around the World ;
those folk with half a dozen Dealers within possible drive areas often
say that only one is capable/competent ......... hopeless situation.

The high rate of taxation makes extras a stupid price . If you're not
writing it down against tax , you're being shafted good and proper .

[GeorgeK]

Hi Everyone,

My feelings about the crappy D4 in-car Nav system have not improved now that I have had the vehicle for a few weeks. The system seems to work well enough as it did locate an obscure address in Western Sydney last Sunday but it simply lacks the functionality of the el-cheapo devices. e.g. Garmin, Tom Tom, Navman etc

The Disco Map version I have is AUS:20091101 Is this the latest version?

Also I need to install a rear camera screen (the camera is for the caravan not the car). I am considering buying a HEMA Navigator 5". I know it is very expensive but the screen is reversing camera ready. In theory the screen can do double duty and therefore it may be worth the relative higher cost. Does the HEMA Navigator display fixed red light cameras, school zones, speed limits etc?

I know this may not be the best place for this thread but it does relate specifically to the D4. I would be grateful for your views (pun intended).

Cheers

George

[Dingmark Jim]

Also the LR navmap shows blank space when going offroad! (At least on my 6 week old D4 HSE 3.0)

[ballan]

(First time poster)
Hi GeorgeK,

You mention your map version as AUS:20091101. Can you check this as my D4 (Jan 2010 build) says AUS:20081101 and I've been annoyed that for $90k+ you get 2 year old maps.

Agree with everyones comments on the useless Sat Nav. Time to destination is useless as it uses the current average speed to determine distance to go (on a recent trip from Melbourne to the Grampians after a week of driving around the city it gave me a time of 5hrs 30mins versus the 3 hours it actually took). The TomTom gave 3hrs 15mins for the same trip as it uses the speed limits.

I read in another post about probably the most useful feature of the Sat Nav. With the satnav screen on press the voice command on the steering wheel and say "navigation; I'm Hungry". The locations of all restaurants will appear. I tried it and it works - funny as. Now I've just got to figure out how to get rid of them!!!;)

[trobbo]

there are functions that the factory system has that an aftermarket cant do and options aftermarket that factory wont do.... BUT FOR THE PRICE the factory system doesn't cut it.

I have used both and found the factory system is better at locating satellites (no down time searching for same), can track movement through tunnels in in areas with out reception, will show you fuel stations when the fuel light comes on, sat nav voice command, neat fitment and minimal issues with theft and that afaik is about it.

I haven't noticed any real problems with calculating time to destination but haven't really paid close attention either.

On my Garmin I could have more additional information such as showing direction of travel, distance to destination, time to next way point, time to destimation, height and a stack of other programable options that I can't do on the factory.

Fact is dollar for dollar aftermarket is a better option. For the price there should be a whole lot of options available that are not.

[Neil P]

...... say "navigation; I'm Hungry Jacks". or follow the burning smell.;)

[MartyJB]

Thanks for the info guys, this is vindicating my decision. Back in May/June (I think it was?) I placed my order for a D4 SE. I had been deliberating over the sat nav option for some time, but eventually I decided to omit it. I mainly wanted it for the reversing camera as I have a young family. People have assured me the parking sensors are great, plus there's no real substitute for supervision... My main gripe was with the price, $5k for the sat nav and another $1k for the camera. (I say $5k as you don't have a choice with the ipod cable so why is it listed seperately??:mad:) In all fairness to LR the government is taking around $2k in LCT! BTW I still have a chance to change the order as it's not being built till next month and delivery is December. FYI order is for White SE with rear air.

[Celtoid]

Thanks for the info guys, this is vindicating my decision. Back in May/June (I think it was?) I placed my order for a D4 SE. I had been deliberating over the sat nav option for some time, but eventually I decided to omit it. I mainly wanted it for the reversing camera as I have a young family. People have assured me the parking sensors are great, plus there's no real substitute for supervision... My main gripe was with the price, $5k for the sat nav and another $1k for the camera. (I say $5k as you don't have a choice with the ipod cable so why is it listed seperately??:mad:) In all fairness to LR the government is taking around $2k in LCT! BTW I still have a chance to change the order as it's not being built till next month and delivery is December. FYI order is for White SE with rear air.

Don't quote me but my understanding is that the Sat Nav gives you the touch screen which allows the use of the 4X4 Screen and improves phone and sound system functionality.

[Duck's Guts]

Agree with ballen.
"Time to destination is useless as it uses the current average speed to determine distance to go". Absolute woefull. I calculate (alright, estimate) in my head better than the sat nav puter!

Also agree with trobbo.
"factory system is better at locating satellites (no down time searching for same)". This is way better than my TomTom. Something to do with the antenna & location perhaps...

[trobbo]

Don't quote me but my understanding is that the Sat Nav gives you the touch screen which allows the use of the 4X4 Screen and improves phone and sound system functionality.

certainly with the D3 you cant get the 4x4 info without the sat nav. It's a nice gimmick to show my mates.... but really

[MartyJB]

The dealer mentioned that the sat nav does more, like the 4x4 information - so what exactly is on that? What else can it do?
Controls your ipod - I know this may sound crazy, but I don't have an ipod or iphone so not much use to me. Stereo controls? Phone book or does the standard stereo have this anyway? Keen to get a good understanding of the actual functionality and how effective it is. Thanks

[GeorgeK]

Hi Ballan,

I confirm that my Map version is AUS:20091101. My D4 is an April build delivered in Jun.

I do agree with the comments that it is almost instantaneous in finding satellites and it works very well in tunnels. However it is still crap and worse now that it is on an HDD the user cannot upgrade it with POIs.

So now the issue for me is to decide between the HEMA Navigator and the VMS 500 tourer. I am told the VMS is releasing an 'S' model in a few weeks with better mapping. I need a reversing camera screen for the caravan camera. Si my reasoning is that as I need a reversing camera screen and a better nav system why not combine both.

Is anyone familiar with either of the nav units I've quoted above and care to comment? I would be grateful for your thoughts.

Cheers

George

[trobbo]

(First time poster)
I read in another post about probably the most useful feature of the Sat Nav. With the satnav screen on press the voice command on the steering wheel and say "navigation; I'm Hungry". The locations of all restaurants will appear. I tried it and it works - funny as. Now I've just got to figure out how to get rid of them!!!;)

"Navigation POI off" will turn them off.

if you have kids or grand kids in the car you can have some fun with

"store name" for eg boys be quiet.

And then at the appropriate time "Navigation Directory" or "Navigation play directory"

[trobbo]

The dealer mentioned that the sat nav does more, like the 4x4 information - so what exactly is on that?

In the D3 the 4x4 info shows a picture of the car and lets you know what direction your wheels are pointed which diffs are locked unlocked and how far your suspension is compressed or extended on each wheel.

It also tells you what command control you are in and suspension height but this info is also displayed elsewhere on the dash.

It's a great novelty item but I'm not sure how useful it is yet and in all probability if you are watching what your wheels are doing on the screen you will probably get stuck cause your not watching where you are going.

[mowog]

On my last trip I took my Garmin 1390T mainly because I was able to load all my waypoints for the trip.

Having the 2 Satnav systems was handy at times as I could leave the Garmin set for main navigation, and use the LR unit for local POI stuff which it really is pretty good at. Just shame it cost so much for one useful feature.

[Celtoid]

certainly with the D3 you cant get the 4x4 info without the sat nav. It's a nice gimmick to show my mates.... but really


Oh come on....I've used that functionality so many times that the details of these events completely escape me right now.....LOL!!!

On a serious note, I have used the fact that I can 'see' my wheels without getting out of my car, in a couple of fairly hairy spots....before I start moving forward.

With the touch screen you get much more functionality with less physical buttons....plus it's all intergrated.....no theft issues. Is it worth 5K?....dunno, mine was already in the car being a demo model.....would I prefer it not to be there....definately not.

For me....it's compact and convenient and much, much neater.

[NavyDiver]

Hi Ballan,

I confirm that my Map version is AUS:20091101. My D4 is an April build delivered in Jun.

I do agree with the comments that it is almost instantaneous in finding satellites and it works very well in tunnels. However it is still crap and worse now that it is on an HDD the user cannot upgrade it with POIs.

So now the issue for me is to decide between the HEMA Navigator and the VMS 500 tourer. I am told the VMS is releasing an 'S' model in a few weeks with better mapping. I need a reversing camera screen for the caravan camera. Si my reasoning is that as I need a reversing camera screen and a better nav system why not combine both.

Is anyone familiar with either of the nav units I've quoted above and care to comment? I would be grateful for your thoughts.

Cheers

George
Hi George. I have a D3 se and have been trying to get a built in system. VMS were discussing building a unit to intigrate to landrover but have pulled out saddly. Kenwood have a solution via Freeway car audio. I will post pics on another post if you want ot see how mine turns out. Freeway have several examples on thier web site Freeway Car Audio | Custom Installation of Audio & Video | Sales & Installation | Melbourne (http://www.freewaycaraudio.com.au/installation.html#landrover)

I wanted the VMS as they (7000 series and above) support Topo maps. I was volunteering to be a ginea pig for VMS but they seem to have gone cold on a solution for Landrovers- DOH. David from Freeway told me the Kenwood version he is gone to install for me now supports garmin toppo maps.

[Graeme]

My D4SE had to be re-ordered because I was adamant that I did not want factory sat-nav as I wanted to run Ozi and to fit a reversing camera. The $5K price tag strengthened my resolve.

I have a 7" GPS display mounted in front of the little OEM display which can be swivelled and angled. It doesn't impede my line of vision and can be unclipped to be used in another vehicle. The screen does make it impossible to use the phone-book whilst driving but my phone system's main use is to take incoming calls whilst driving.

The priority of the camera has dropped significantly due to the parking sensors working well but I will still fit a camera, having become quite accustomed to actually seeing what was down low when I had a camera in my D2. My GPS system will auto-switch to the camera.


The D4 instrument cluster has a basic display for steering wheel angle which appears to show in any TR mode if the wheels are turned sufficiently (about half a turn of the steering wheel IIRC). My D4 has the e-diff but I have no interest in knowing whether the diffs are locking or not.

I'm not at all sorry that I didn't spend the $5K to get the OEM system.

[CSBrisie]

Highly recommend the Kenwood option.

I ended up with:

Kenwood 7 inch touch screen that fits perfectly in original D3 slot giving that "factory" look
Reverse camera
Sat Nav (Kenwood/Garmin- SD card slot for Topo)
iPod connectivity
Bluetooth phone (phone book display etc)
LR factory Radio / CD integrated
USB slot
DVD (via iPod)

All managed in a "windows" format from the touch screen (with remote control)

Excellent alround!

Around $3500 fitted two years ago

See my Gallery!!!

[eddomak]

My D4SE ...

I have a 7" GPS display mounted in front of the little OEM display which can be swivelled and angled. It doesn't impede my line of vision and can be unclipped to be used in another vehicle. The screen does make it impossible to use the phone-book whilst driving but my phone system's main use is to take incoming calls whilst driving.

The priority of the camera has dropped significantly due to the parking sensors working well but I will still fit a camera, having become quite accustomed to actually seeing what was down low when I had a camera in my D2. My GPS system will auto-switch to the camera.


Hi Graeme, any chance of a photo and/or model numbers? I want to do the same in my D4.

Thanks,
Edwin.

[Brick]

In my D3 I had the VMS500, with a reversing camera mounted. Worked very well. Mounted the unit in the gap in the dash. It didn't fill the whole of the gap but still looked pretty neat.

Liked the VMS unit, and even though I have the Sat-nav in the D4, I will be taking the VMS away on any trips outside of the city. However, the D4 unit does bring up the street nav a lot quicker than the VMS, and is just as useful for my needs as the VMS in this mode.

Cheers,

[Graeme]

I'll get some pics but in the meantime, its just a $300 ebay one with a small 2-part bracket fabricated from aluminium sheet mounted under the flat panel in front of the screen. I setup a simple shell (courtesy of another AULRO thread) to allow either Ozi or the supplied nav s/w to be selected.

[Duck's Guts]

You mention your map version as AUS:20091101. Can you check this as my D4 (Jan 2010 build) says AUS:20081101 and I've been annoyed that for $90k+ you get 2 year old maps.




I confirm that my Map version is AUS:20091101. My D4 is an April build delivered in Jun.


My D4 Feb '10 build & May '10 delivery. Map version AUS:20081101 :mad:
I'll need to have a winge about this to the dealer...

[Celtoid]

My D4 Feb '10 build & May '10 delivery. Map version AUS:20081101 :mad:
I'll need to have a winge about this to the dealer...

Question from the stupid....how do you find out what version it is...? :unsure:

[Duck's Guts]

From the Nav Screen Menu, select "Navigation Setup", then select "Map Change".
It will display a list of all installed maps & their version.
I imagine all Aust delivered vehicles only show details of a single map installed. Perhaps Europe & Nth America and so on would have multiple maps installed to cover many areas & regions.

[Brose]

In the D3 the 4x4 info shows a picture of the car and lets you know what direction your wheels are pointed which diffs are locked unlocked and how far your suspension is compressed or extended on each wheel.

It also tells you what command control you are in and suspension height but this info is also displayed elsewhere on the dash.

It's a great novelty item but I'm not sure how useful it is yet and in all probability if you are watching what your wheels are doing on the screen you will probably get stuck cause your not watching where you are going.

I have just purchased an 05 D3 SE with factory satnav but it doesn't seem to have the 4x4 mode. I think you access it from the fist page of the GPS - ie choice between Navigation, Setting and 4x4 mode but mine doesn't have the 4x4 mode. Were there models sold in Australia without the 4x4 mode, thats what my LR dealer suggested (but they didn't know the 4x4 mode existed until I showed them a screenshot from a web site.) but I am not so sure.

Is there a way to check it is a genuine LR system? It wasn't working at all when i bought the car and the dealer replaced it under warranty - now the satnav works fine.

Assuming it is there but not functioning - any ideas what I might check to see if I can re-instate it eg reboot the system or check the wiring is properly installed?

And another question - is the voice guidance configurable - eg can it ise different voices?

Thanks

[Jamo]

The 4x4 screen was only available with the 'Premium' Satnav package. There was also a 'Standard' Satnav package.

(If you get a faultmate or similar you can enable the 4x4 in a car with only standard satnav.)

[allanboston]

Hey Guys,

I have the D4 HSE with the premium satnav, but have to use it with the voice mode turned off, as it is so loud it blasts you out of the vehicle. I have tried turning it down via the touch screen audio adjustments (page 2), but it is still far louder than what you were listening to prior to the navigation direction cutting across.

Has anyone else found this problem and can it be fixed?

Cheers

Allan

[Celtoid]

Hey Guys,

I have the D4 HSE with the premium satnav, but have to use it with the voice mode turned off, as it is so loud it blasts you out of the vehicle. I have tried turning it down via the touch screen audio adjustments (page 2), but it is still far louder than what you were listening to prior to the navigation direction cutting across.

Has anyone else found this problem and can it be fixed?

Cheers

Allan

I have an SE with SatNav.....don't know if it's premium thou. I had the same problem but i've found that the stereo, phone and satnav volume are independant and need to be turned down individually or you get what you have described.

It's tricky to do when you get a short window of opertunity to make the adjustments.

'Make' the satnav talk and then turn down the volume on it as 'she' is talking. It may take you a few goes. The radio/cd volume should remain unchanged. Don't adjust before or after the voice command as that will adjust the stereo volume.

Same with the phone.

This worked for my system.

Cheers,

Kev.

[SWH]

Has anybody with the premium sat nav for the D4 with the touch screen, considered an after market add on box to connect a computer (say a toughbook) to the D4 screen so that you can run any after market gps software programme from that computer on the screen in the car? If this were possible, it would over come the short comings of the standard system.

[drivesafe]

Hi SWH, probably a cheaper option, if you can wait, is to fit an iPad.

The screen is huge compared to any satnav set up.

The software is already available to use an iPad for satnav but don’t know how effective it is yet, but the way apps keep coming, it shouldn’t be long before you can use an iPad as a fully functioning satnav.

best part is that when your not in the LR you have the iPad for other uses.

[GeorgeK]

Hi Everyone,

I confirm my first post in this thread from 15 Jun in that I have the in-car nav system and it is still crap! About 4 weeks ago, after considerable research and being told by everyone that it was sold out, I managed to source a VMS 500S nav system. About a week later I commenced a trip to Maryborough, Qld (from Sydney) to attend the Australian Caravan Club National Muster. I towed my new van weight about 3.2t fully loaded.

The car, van and the VMS 500S all performed flawlessly. At one point I had the VMS and the in-car nav system running at the same time for comparison. There was none as the VMS beat the in-car nav system hands down. It was really no contest. The VMS paid for itself a few times by giving me advance warning of speed cameras by both visual and audio means. I could not help but hear the screaming of the audio warning!

The VMS is reversing camera ready but the downside of is that that you have to use the VMS camera or at least it was not compatible with the reversing camera already fitted to my caravan.

The VMS is not cheap at $799 but it is fully featured and works a treat, especially the speed camera and 'over the speed limit' warnings. Incidentally I had the VMS and a UHF radio (GME remote mic type) hard wired without drilling holes in the dash. I would be happy to post pics of the fittings if I knew how to post pics. I would really be grateful if someone could either direct me how to post pics or PM me with very easy step-by-step instructions.

I hope this helps. If anyone wants any more info about the car, van and VMS please ask.

Cheers

George

[picks]

I have an SE with SatNav.....don't know if it's premium thou. I had the same problem but i've found that the stereo, phone and satnav volume are independant and need to be turned down individually or you get what you have described.

It's tricky to do when you get a short window of opertunity to make the adjustments.

'Make' the satnav talk and then turn down the volume on it as 'she' is talking. It may take you a few goes. The radio/cd volume should remain unchanged. Don't adjust before or after the voice command as that will adjust the stereo volume.

Same with the phone.

This worked for my system.

Cheers,

Kev.

The SatNav volume is ridiculously loud. I have searched the web but have not found a satisfactory solution. The above solution doesn't work as the volume just comes right back to loud on the next advice. Setting the volume offset to +1 is not sufficient, it needs to be about -5!. Some people have suggested complex routines involving switching the radio on and off but it is absurd that Land Rover have not addressed this issue. I suspect a lot of people have just turned the voice off as I have done. What a pity.

[Celtoid]

The SatNav volume is ridiculously loud. I have searched the web but have not found a satisfactory solution. The above solution doesn't work as the volume just comes right back to loud on the next advice. Setting the volume offset to +1 is not sufficient, it needs to be about -5!. Some people have suggested complex routines involving switching the radio on and off but it is absurd that Land Rover have not addressed this issue. I suspect a lot of people have just turned the voice off as I have done. What a pity.


Hey Mate,

Have you had it back to LR, as it sounds like something is wrong? The adjustments work perfectly on mine....if you adjust at precisely the right time.

However, in true LR style, the other week the volume was too low and I could not adjust it. But after locking the car whilst I visited a friend, unlocking and restarting the car, it was back to normal.

:confused:

That's the only time it's ever played up.