Faults. My list

[Disomania]

Well, took the D4 in for a 'gearbox' fault (orange triangle) that's appeared twice in 3 months. Dealer plugged in the computer, and it's some selector issue (known) and there is a TSB out on it. Seems the module has a fault that tells the car it's in 'command shift' mode while still in Park sometimes so it gets a 'that can't ever happen' error and lights up the dash. So a new part on order.

Other fault is a rattle in the drivers side back seat backrest. Dealer would have fixed it, but they had a workshop accident and took a mechanic off to hospital so my car with the minor rattle, and the gearbox fault found got put aside so all the servicing could be done. They did give me the loan car free (normally a small fee) and it will be free again when they get the parts to fix the car.

The loaner was a 2009 Freelander TD4 and I'm so glad I bought the D4. The freelander was noisy compared to the D4, but did have nice growl!

[sniegy]

Wow,
Hope the tech is ok, any idea what happened?

A good outcome for you, they obviously tried to not inconvenience you too much.

Cheers.

[eddomak]

So far on mine (since late March 10)...


Remote Suspension Down does not work (up does)
Driver's Side Rear window "bounced" a couple of times
Rear Upper Section needs adjustment (sometimes needs to be closed a couple of times, remote unlock still requires using the handle button again)
Faint speaker hiss
Clock does not remember setting for non 24hr mode after restart

All in all, not bad... I'm still happy, and I think all of the above are easy fixes/adjustments. :cool:

[Disomania]

No idea what happened to the tech - they didn't say, and I do hope he's (or she these days) is OK.

I've not tried the remote up/down thing - best I get the manual out!

My window on the drivers side did that once, but never again. They did the Q093 update on my anyway.
Faint speaker hiss is there but not obtrusive. It doesn't turn the radio on but powers they system up when you unlock the car. Get somebody to 'lock' you in the car from a distance, and the noise is not there.
I have no problem with the clock, it's fine in mine.

Only thing that's really annoying is the rattle in the seat behind me. I've had a look and I can't find anything that it could be. Took the trim off the side of the frame and there's nothing that can rattle, yet rattle it does. Maybe a new seat frame?

[rmp]

When I saw this post title I thought it was a comment on Discomania by Mrs Discomania.

[DI5CO]

The problem with mine is that its a D2 not a D4!! :Rolling: (Sorry)

[Disomania]

When I saw this post title I thought it was a comment on Discomania by Mrs Discomania.


There's not enough room on the forum server for that list!:D

[brad72]

My fault list is pretty small - rattle in front passenger speaker, and that I don't get to drive her nearly as much as I would like.

[Dorko]

My faults so far are:

1.)Drivers speaker rattled - now fixed
2.)Terrain response not holding the setting after restarting - still not fixed
3.)Drivers seat belt adjuster rattles on the road - still not fixed
4.)Power steering fluid dropped due to a faulty seal. Fixed twice (apparently) but still leaks. -Waiting on parts
5.)Fan needs to be fixed, chopped up a pipe that came off -Waiting on parts
6.)Drivers chair needs replacing as it doesn't hold the position.- Waiting on parts
7.)Suspension squeaks offroad. I assume its mud that's got in it.
8.)Bonnet wouldn't close properly - Now fixed

Overall very ****ed off with my servicing department. Contact Land Rover Australia and now Southern Land Rover will be resolving the outstanding issues.

Probably another 2 weeks for the fan to arrive then it should be all good :)

Dorko

[Celtoid]

Initially on delivery I had:

· A few broken light lens fittings…kept falling out.
· Rattling induction hose.
· Suspension failures…slow to raise and multiple fault codes.

All fixed under warranty and no further problems.

However after reading these posts do remember that on occasions my Terrain Response settings did turn off when the car was shut down and locked….didn’t know if that was normal or not. On other occasions it seemed fine but the 4WD display wouldn’t show the diff locks without being reset. I also noticed a wheel direction display on the main dash between the speedo and tacho that would come and go…..not sure what initiates it’s appearance. In saying this, my cruise control info can disappear after I’ve disengaged and resumed…so it may be the way that it’s designed…quirky but maybe OK. Having not paid specific attention to how long it had been between shut down and start-up, whether I’d fully locked the car etc, I couldn’t judge if it was right or wrong.

After my Fraser trip, everything squeaked and squealed…suspension, mirrors, doors etc….but they all seem to have settled down after being washed and being away from salt and sand….not sure what the outcome would be if I lived there!

One thing I noticed was a very loud metallic noise when hitting rough surfaces off-road….sharp like a crack but not like something was broken…just movement of a bash-plate or the exhaust…intend to get that looked at but I think it is nothing more than movement.

Of course, now that I've driven the thing at speed (unintentionally) over a washout and into a 4 to 5" bank....not sure what to expect in the future...:(

[Disco4SE]

At new, I had the following: -

Rear windows came straight back down when put up.
No sound through speakers.
These are the only faults after travelling 21,000Klm's.
The Q093 patch fixed the window problem.
The speaker problem was a faulty CD player. Since ULR replaced it, it has been fine.

Cheers, Craig

[DiscoWeb]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] I also noticed a wheel direction display on the main dash between the speedo and tacho that would come and go…..not sure what initiates it’s appearance. (

Celtoid,

I get the same however as it only comes on when going quite slow I figured it was for those times when you are negotiating tricking rock sections etc and might need to know which direction the wheels are pointing etc.

One you get above a certain speed (5- 10 km i am guessing) it probably thinks you are out of the slow stuff and the information is no longer relevant and goes away.

That is my rough diagnosis anyway, call me an optimist.

My list is;

1. Overheating transmission message when doing long steep off road trip - went away and has caused no further problems;
2. Leaking coolant hose - fixed under warranty;
3. intermittent squealing when applying the handbrake - EPB needs adjusting and will be done at service next week.

Otherwise all good.

regards,

George

[Duck's Guts]

Thankfully I've had bugger all (he says with finger's crossed!)
Only the rear drivers side window going down immediately after being closed. Easily fixed myself following the owner's manual calibration procedure. Fixed it first go!

[ozscott]

The problem with mine is that its a D2 not a D4!! :Rolling: (Sorry)


Thats not actually a problem :D

My D2 I can honestly say had not a thing wrong when I bought it new...quiet as a mouse, no rattles no nothing of any sort to complain about. 160,000k later and I still love it, but even I one day will be tempted to the D4 just from the creature comfort and new smell point of view.

Cheers

[Beamin]

My D4 has been such a joy to drive I kind of forget the few glitches there have been along the way.

The electronic parking brake had an attack of nerves and set off repeated alarms one morning about failure to operate, then it jammed on and wouldn't release at all until I shut everything down for a minute or so. It got carted away on a truck that day and came back fixed a few days later. No real problems since then. "Bouncing" left rear window fixed at the same time with the software upgrade.

Recently discovered that there should have been a tow hitch included with the car that wasn't, but this has now been supplied plus the carrier fitted in the rear storage compartment.

Headlight problems have been the subject of much discussion elsewhere, so won't repeat here.

The one thing that doesn't seem to get much of a mention is the audio controls on the steering wheel, particularly the way they won't select the preset stations on the radio. The manual doesn't say much about how this control is meant to operate, but the smaller "Quick Start Guide" gives a clear description of a good design if it in fact worked that way. Instead of the left and right arrow buttons on the steering wheel control having the desired (and described) effect of scrolling up and down through the preset radio stations, they just initiate a "search" function looking for the next higher or lower available broadcast frequency regardless of the presets.

To select a preset station you have to take your eyes off the road and your hand off the wheel to press numbered buttons on the central fascia - not very good. The "Mode" button on the steering wheel control has the unexpected effect of jumping up one preset station, instead of switching from radio to CD or Aux. Bizarre. Even more bizarre was LR's response to the local dealer when this was raised with them via a tech report: LR said they would re-write the Quick Start Guide to conform with the peculiar way this control currently works, rather than fixing the way it works to conform with the intended design.

Not having the top-line audio system also renders the telephone address book completely useless, as there is no way to access entries other than scrolling through them manually in alphabetical order. The Voice button on the steering wheel would provide a way of dialling common numbers, but I was eventually informed that this is just a dummy button on the SE with the standard stereo. To dial a number starting with "S" I have to stop the car, get the phone out, find and select the number on the phone and then transfer the call to the car so I can resume my journey. Again, not very good.

However, these are just minor annoyances that I wish LR would fix, but I do love driving this car regardless of a few glitches.

[DiscoWeb]

The electronic parking brake had an attack of nerves and set off repeated alarms one morning about failure to operate, then it jammed on and wouldn't release at all until I shut everything down for a minute or so. It got carted away on a truck that day and came back fixed a few days later.

Beamin,

Check out the manual release procedure in the D3/D4 FAQ, which is relatively simply, my wife managed to do it with me coaching her over the phone.

Better than a tow truck !!

George

[Celtoid]

Celtoid,

I get the same however as it only comes on when going quite slow I figured it was for those times when you are negotiating tricking rock sections etc and might need to know which direction the wheels are pointing etc.

One you get above a certain speed (5- 10 km i am guessing) it probably thinks you are out of the slow stuff and the information is no longer relevant and goes away.

That is my rough diagnosis anyway, call me an optimist.

My list is;

1. Overheating transmission message when doing long steep off road trip - went away and has caused no further problems;
2. Leaking coolant hose - fixed under warranty;
3. intermittent squealing when applying the handbrake - EPB needs adjusting and will be done at service next week.

Otherwise all good.

regards,

George

Thanks George,

I'll check it out next time I'm off road...which might be a while after my Fraser Trip.....refer to D4 Beach Work. Two buckled wheels and a few broken bits of bumper bar.....and booked in for a suspension/steering check.

Still....could have been worse! :)

Kev.

[Celtoid]

My D4 has been such a joy to drive I kind of forget the few glitches there have been along the way.

The electronic parking brake had an attack of nerves and set off repeated alarms one morning about failure to operate, then it jammed on and wouldn't release at all until I shut everything down for a minute or so. It got carted away on a truck that day and came back fixed a few days later. No real problems since then. "Bouncing" left rear window fixed at the same time with the software upgrade.

Recently discovered that there should have been a tow hitch included with the car that wasn't, but this has now been supplied plus the carrier fitted in the rear storage compartment.

Headlight problems have been the subject of much discussion elsewhere, so won't repeat here.

The one thing that doesn't seem to get much of a mention is the audio controls on the steering wheel, particularly the way they won't select the preset stations on the radio. The manual doesn't say much about how this control is meant to operate, but the smaller "Quick Start Guide" gives a clear description of a good design if it in fact worked that way. Instead of the left and right arrow buttons on the steering wheel control having the desired (and described) effect of scrolling up and down through the preset radio stations, they just initiate a "search" function looking for the next higher or lower available broadcast frequency regardless of the presets.

To select a preset station you have to take your eyes off the road and your hand off the wheel to press numbered buttons on the central fascia - not very good. The "Mode" button on the steering wheel control has the unexpected effect of jumping up one preset station, instead of switching from radio to CD or Aux. Bizarre. Even more bizarre was LR's response to the local dealer when this was raised with them via a tech report: LR said they would re-write the Quick Start Guide to conform with the peculiar way this control currently works, rather than fixing the way it works to conform with the intended design.

Not having the top-line audio system also renders the telephone address book completely useless, as there is no way to access entries other than scrolling through them manually in alphabetical order. The Voice button on the steering wheel would provide a way of dialling common numbers, but I was eventually informed that this is just a dummy button on the SE with the standard stereo. To dial a number starting with "S" I have to stop the car, get the phone out, find and select the number on the phone and then transfer the call to the car so I can resume my journey. Again, not very good.

However, these are just minor annoyances that I wish LR would fix, but I do love driving this car regardless of a few glitches.

Hi Beamin,

I've got an SE and mine seems to do all the things that you would like yours to do. What I find frustrating is the fact that the manual...like all manufacturer's manuals, encompass a lot of specs. I thought it was tough in my Berlina and that's a local build... but the LR and my wife's Pug are impossible to figure out exactly what is fitted. Mine was an ex demo, so it does have an integreted GPS but does that mean it's got a different sound system and phone system? I thought that they all had a 9 speaker H & K (not Heckler and Koch...they make a different sound :)).

When you say carrier in the rear storage compartment, do you mean the cargo blind thingy that covers your luggage? Mine was missing too....it was sent out to me but I never use it as it squeeks and really doesn't fill the hole in the floor when you have the middle row of seats down....I expected it to act as a plug, to make the cargo bay perfectly flat!

Sounds like you might have issues with the sound system problem thou..:(

However, as you said....hard not to love driving it!!!:)

Cheers,

Kev.

[Beamin]

Thanks Celtoid

Am I right in thinking that the SatNav system comes with a touch screen? I think it is the touch screen that is the key difference and allows the phone address book to be accessible and makes the voice control work. The standard audio system on the SE doesn't have the touch screen, which renders these other features inoperable or useless.

The storage/carrier for the tow hitch is mounted in the lower cubby hole in the left side of the boot, which also give access to the tail lights. The matching cubby hole on the right side houses the jack and tool bag. I eventually found out that some D4's (including mine) were delivered without the tow hitch or storage carrier and this is a known warranty fix whenever these cars are tracked down or the owner twigs that something is missing. I was only put onto this when I was trying to figure out how to fit a rear bike carrier without having any sort of horizontal receiver to slide it into. Roof Rack World in Sydney were sure that the hitch/receiver should have come with the car and the nearby LR dealer confirmed that some had been missed at delivery. It still took a bit of sorting out for my local dealer to realise what had been left out of the car and to order in both the missing pieces (hitch + carrier), but it is now all in order.

Cargo blind has been OK for me and filled the gap in the floor reasonably well once I found the lugs to hang it on. Floor is then flat enough to sleep on comfortably with a thin camping mattress (after a few sherbets).

Cheers.

[Scouse]

Remote Suspension Down does not work (up does)
Just released:

Issue
10my air suspension feature does not operate with the remote handset as described in the owner's handbook.

Cause
The information contained in the owner's handbook is incorrect.

Action
The correct sequence to operate the system is.
All doors closed, hazards on.
To raise the vehicle press and hold the approach lamp button then press and hold the unlock button.
To lower the vehicle press and hold the approach lamp button then press and hold the tailgate release button.
The owner's handbook will be corrected for 11my

[eddomak]

Thanks heaps for the correct remote control sequence - I can confirm that this works for my D4 MY10. Any chance someone can add this to the FAQ?

[Celtoid]

Thanks Celtoid

Am I right in thinking that the SatNav system comes with a touch screen? I think it is the touch screen that is the key difference and allows the phone address book to be accessible and makes the voice control work. The standard audio system on the SE doesn't have the touch screen, which renders these other features inoperable or useless.

The storage/carrier for the tow hitch is mounted in the lower cubby hole in the left side of the boot, which also give access to the tail lights. The matching cubby hole on the right side houses the jack and tool bag. I eventually found out that some D4's (including mine) were delivered without the tow hitch or storage carrier and this is a known warranty fix whenever these cars are tracked down or the owner twigs that something is missing. I was only put onto this when I was trying to figure out how to fit a rear bike carrier without having any sort of horizontal receiver to slide it into. Roof Rack World in Sydney were sure that the hitch/receiver should have come with the car and the nearby LR dealer confirmed that some had been missed at delivery. It still took a bit of sorting out for my local dealer to realise what had been left out of the car and to order in both the missing pieces (hitch + carrier), but it is now all in order.

Cargo blind has been OK for me and filled the gap in the floor reasonably well once I found the lugs to hang it on. Floor is then flat enough to sleep on comfortably with a thin camping mattress (after a few sherbets).

Cheers.


Hi Beamin,

Yes, that's right, I have a touchscreen. I didn't realise that was only an addition with the GPS.

My car came with the tow bar and hitch but they were actually behind the rear seats. I noticed a strap set-up in the LHS cubby hole but the salesman said something about the hitch my car came with being too small and constantly coming loose. I leave my hitch fitted and tow bar at home, so it's never been an issue anyway.

Cheers,

Kev.

[ADMIRAL]

My D4 has developed an unusual fault. When my other half uses the vehicle, the seat comes well forward ( a shorty ) Drive it for a few k's, and I immediately get complaints from her that the dash is lighting up with fault messages. On investigation, the D4 is at the acess height and will not move from this setting, regardless of the speed. The messages effectively advise that everything is off. Terrain response, stability control, gearbox fault, etc, etc. While the seat is forward nothing changes. Push the seat back and start the vehicle after locking & unlocking...everything goes back to normal. The only message is 'confirm suspension height required '?

Got me !!? Must be something to do with the proximity to the steering wheel airbags ? It did not cause a problem when we first got the vehicle.

Any ideas? Nothing I can see on threads or in the manual

[Dorko]

Thats just weird! :eek:

Has LR had a look? perhaps it a cable moving?

Dorko

[Scouse]

It could be a trapped wire that's shorting on the seat base when it's moved forwards.

[Graeme]

It could be a trapped wire that's shorting on the seat base when it's moved forwards.
My thoughts too, as the raise and lower switches provide earth paths when operated.

[ADMIRAL]

My thoughts too, as the raise and lower switches provide earth paths when operated.

Ahhhh... Manual seat. Already checked and certainly nothing obvious I could find.

The fault is now permanent, as I don't have a fault reader yet, I am going to kill several birds with one stone. Off to the dealer for a checkup, upgrade to the latest software, and service. ( not quite due, but the timing is right ) It has firmed my decision to purchase a Faultmate or equivalent.

[Graeme]

I meant the suspension raise and lower switches.

[ADMIRAL]

I meant the suspension raise and lower switches.

Given the suspension is locked at access, it is a possibility. Into the dealer tomorrow anyway now.

[Dorko]

Good Luck!

[ADMIRAL]

All good but none the wiser. The dealer could not find any logged fault....very strange..as it went into their workshop locked at access height, and with fault messages rotating through the dash display? They believe the installation of Q093 will fix it, and this has now been completed.

My intention to purchase a fault reader/finder just went up the list.

[Graeme]

They believe the installation of Q093 will fix it
They're unduly hopeful to think that software fixes faults that only occur when a manual seat is used in a forward position. Someone probably moved some cables that alleviated the condition for the moment, but not fixed.

[Dorko]

Could not agree more!

Dorko

[ADMIRAL]

Yep,
Back already. The same fault, and I have used the same process to clear it. Move the seat back, drive for a klm or so above 60 klmh, stop and lock/unlock. Everything is back to normal. If you can call it that. Back to the dealer .

[sniegy]

Admiral,
Not sure how you are with tools & mechanical side of things but..
If u can, remove the front panel from under the seat, it has 4 clips & requires a little force to remove. Pull towards the front of the vehicle.
Then Lift the seat slide bar & move seat forward/backward & watch the cables under the seat. You may be able to notice something is catching &/or stretching a loom.
It may be a simple fix like refit the loom to a particualr point on the seat base, there fixing the problem & not having to travel any distance (if at all?:eek:) to the dealer.
Also check the connector block & make sure it is securely fixed to its other half, just do up the 7mm or 8mm bolt until fairly firm.

HTH.

Cheers.

[Piddler]

Admiral,
Not sure how you are with tools & mechanical side of things but..
If u can, remove the front panel from under the seat, it has 4 clips & requires a little force to remove. Pull towards the front of the vehicle.
Then Lift the seat slide bar & move seat forward/backward & watch the cables under the seat. You may be able to notice something is catching &/or stretching a loom.
It may be a simple fix like refit the loom to a particualr point on the seat base, there fixing the problem & not having to travel any distance (if at all?:eek:) to the dealer.
Also check the connector block & make sure it is securely fixed to its other half, just do up the 7mm or 8mm bolt until fairly firm.

HTH.



Cheers.

Personally I wouldnt touch it.
If I spent that amount of money they could fix the dam thing and quickly.
Cheers

[ADMIRAL]

Admiral,
Not sure how you are with tools & mechanical side of things but..
If u can, remove the front panel from under the seat, it has 4 clips & requires a little force to remove. Pull towards the front of the vehicle.
Then Lift the seat slide bar & move seat forward/backward & watch the cables under the seat. You may be able to notice something is catching &/or stretching a loom.
It may be a simple fix like refit the loom to a particualr point on the seat base, there fixing the problem & not having to travel any distance (if at all?:eek:) to the dealer.
Also check the connector block & make sure it is securely fixed to its other half, just do up the 7mm or 8mm bolt until fairly firm.

HTH.

Cheers.
Thanks Sniegy. I'm pretty handy with tools. We are on the right track. The looms are 'stressed' and the main loom running to the plug actually fouls on the edge of the rh lower inner seat trim when the seat is moved forward. This to the point where the insulation tape binding has been torn by the pressure. There are two push in locating plugs on the main loom. Only one was seated. Neither will actually help keep the loom out of the way. ( without stressing the wires ) For the life of me, I cannot understand why they would mount a plug on the seat, and then take a loom to it the way they have.

I don't want to threaten my warranty, and have simply unplugged the locating plug, and loosely attached the loom to the front seat adjusting lever. This keeps it from binding on anything, and gives it a large loop to 'flex' with, as the seat is moved.

Tomorrow it goes back to my tame test driver. My other half. If it is going to play up, it will do so for her. If this action stops the fault, I have some time to organise a dealer visit.

In my opinion, the seat should come off the rails, the wiring can then be sorted, relooped, reattached. Whatever it takes.

[sniegy]

Ahh Good.

Let's see how the "Tame" test driver:D goes for the next few days.

That will at least give an indication on where to start the fixing process.

Cheers.

[ADMIRAL]

Ahh Good.

Let's see how the "Tame" test driver:D goes for the next few days.

That will at least give an indication on where to start the fixing process.

Cheers.

Looking good. Day 1. No issues. I have asked "Stiglet " to up the ante, and use the access height, the works, whenever required.