1980's 130 Dual Cab?

[St Veronus]

New to Landy's, so please bear with me if this is in the wrong section. (Mod's feel free to move)

When did the 130 Dual Cab's first get sold/shipped to Aus? The info I have found says that they started making them in '83, but I don't know when/if they were imported/sold here. If they were not sold here, is it possible to import one fairly easily?

Thanks,
Ryan

[The ho har's]

It is my understanding they wern't called defenders until 1990 before that they were called "series 3 stage 1's"

Try here
The Land Rover History: Contents (http://www.winwaed.com/landy/history/index.shtml)

Mrs hh:angel:

[87County]

It is my understanding they wern't called defenders until 1990 before that they were called "series 3 stage 1's"

Try here
The Land Rover History: Contents (http://www.winwaed.com/landy/history/index.shtml)

Mrs hh:angel:

....after the Ser 3 (Stage 1), and from about '84 to '90 until the Defender there were the 110, the County and the 120 (all coil sprung).... the Stage 1s had leaf springs

interesting all of these coilers (the 110, the County & the 120) had a 110 badge

[101RRS]

The 130 Dual Cab was not released until about 94 - definitely had the 300TDI not sure about the 200Tdi.

Not available in any model earlier than the Defender.

Garry

[1103.9TDI]

'County' is a level of trim, ie above a povety pack, it is not Landrover model.

[rijidij]

New to Landy's, so please bear with me if this is in the wrong section. (Mod's feel free to move)

When did the 130 Dual Cab's first get sold/shipped to Aus? The info I have found says that they started making them in '83, but I don't know when/if they were imported/sold here. If they were not sold here, is it possible to import one fairly easily?

Thanks,
Ryan

G'day Ryan,
Yes they did start making them about '83. As far as I know they were first referred to as a 127, as that was the actual wheelbase, then later referred to as the 130. Pre-Defender 130's were'nt imported to Australia. There might be some private imports around, but they would be pretty rare. As far as importing one for yourself, do a search of the forum, as there has been plenty of discussion about what's involved.

Cheers, Murray

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/997.jpg

[spudboy]

... is it possible to import one fairly easily?

Thanks,
Ryan

There are special rules for pre-89 vehicles, so anything with a build date of December 1988 and prior is easier to get in, whereas they make it almost impossible to get an import permit for newer vehicles.

[JDNSW]

....after the Ser 3 (Stage 1), and from about '84 to '90 until the Defender there were the 110, the County and the 120 (all coil sprung).... the Stage 1s had leaf springs

interesting all of these coilers (the 110, the County & the 120) had a 110 badge

Slight correction - while from the mid eighties on, Landrover made the 110, 127 and 90, in Australia the only ones sold were different. These were the 110 with three different wheelbases - 110, 120 and 6x6. The 90 was not sold in Australia for another decade. The only body styles were, for the 110 wheelbase, cab/chassis, Ute, hardtop and County trim wagon; in 1989 there was a limited batch of 110 dual cabs made for the Bicentennial Authority; for the 120, cab/chassis only; for the 6x6, cab/chassis only. (The cab/chassis ones usually came with a dropside tray).

In addition to these civilian models, a variety of 110 4x4 and 6x6 body styles were made, with significant modifications from the civilian models.

Note that in the period under consideration, while the UK sold four cylinder petrol and n/a diesel engines (2.25, later 2.5, and finally 2.5 turbo diesel), plus the V8, in Australia, only the V8 and the Isuzu 4BD1 or 4BD1T (6x6 only, and the only engine sold in the 6x6). The Isuzu engine and the 6x6 were both unique to Australia.

If considering importing a 1980s Landrover, bear in mind that as the four cylinder engines were never sold in Australia, parts are likely to be in short supply.

The Defender name was introduced in 1990, along with the 200Tdi (and the relegation of the V8 to special order), but was not introduced to Australia for about two years, during which no working Landrovers were sold in Australia.

Hope this helps,

John

[rijidij]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/991.jpg

[rar110]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/991.jpg

Great workshop poster Murray, even features the Perentie.

[DeeJay]

'County' is a level of trim, ie above a povety pack, it is not Landrover model.

I think the confusion occurs because people see 'Defender" on the doors & know its a Defender, but when they see "County" on the doors, they don't realise it means trim level :angel:

[slug_burner]

While county is a trim level, if it is the only trim level available then the vehicle becomes known as a County.

[rijidij]

Great workshop poster Murray, even features the Perentie.

I remember seeing a similar chart some time ago. Someone has been keeping this one up to date, it's even got the LRX on it.

Murray

[JDNSW]

While county is a trim level, if it is the only trim level available then the vehicle becomes known as a County.

Yes, except that the trim level "County" was also used on Range Rover and Series 3. And the term has been used in complete error to refer to 110s that are not at this trim level, which was only used in Australia for the wagons, as far as I know. Certainly the vast majority of ones that are not wagons did not have this trim level.

So while it is accurate to refer to a 110 wagon as a County, because no other trim level was sold here, it is also confusing, because it is not unique to these and does not recognise their commonality with the other body styles of this period.

The problem arises because until the introduction of the Discovery, "Landrover" meant the "working" vehicle - Series 1, 2, 2a, 2b, 3; 101;90;110 - distinguishing them as working vehicles from the Rangerover, which was not marketed as a Landrover. But introducing a new range (Discovery) which did not have an established market required that it have a manufacturer name. Historically it should have been a Rover, but that name had been trashed by its use by Leyland on less than successful vehicles after they had similarly trashed the Austin and Morris labels. This played into Landrover's aim to move the company from a supplier of utility and military vehicles back into Rover's traditional market selling to the upper middle class in the UK after losing most of their market to Japanese manufacturers, mainly as a result of Leyland using Landrover to prop up other parts of the company when it was the only successful part of the Leyland in the seventies. To do this they had to invent a new name for the 90/110/130, and this was Defender. But this could not be made retrospective easily, as there was seven years production of these without this label.

John

[101RRS]

John - given what you have just said I think you need to change your signature block to something like

JDNSW
1986 110 5 Door 3.9 diesel (County Trim)
1970 2a 109 2.25 petrol

[isuzubob]

JDNSW
1986 110 County Station Wagon 3.9 diesel
1970 2a 109 2.25 petrol

No, that is perfect :D

The CSW was a model in its own right, the "County trim package" was available (certainly in the UK) as an option on all Land Rover variants from April 1982 onwards.

Rob W