300Tdi 130 spare wheel carrier?

[lardy]

Good after evening,
I fitted the spare wheel back on the bonnet today and spent an hour and a half down at barberousgello's, to their credit- I wasn't buying anything and they pulled standard rims out to try it out and looked on the microfiche for the answer ....all to no avail..it fits but wheather it's right is another thing.
The question being were 130 defenders actually fitted with bonnet mounted spare wheel carriers ?
the issue seems to be (according to the very helpful chap) wolf rims have a different off-set to standard land rover rims so they sit differently or incorrectly so may not have made it onto the bonnet at all, that being the case mine must have been retro fitted,he is of the mind that they were all fitted to the side of the tub, but I thought that happened at the TD5 stage of the game.
If any of you guys would like to throw your two penny'sworth in I would appreciate the clarificatiom andy

[rick130]

OK, first up, yes Tdi's used the tub mount for the spare, (LH rear corner) and yes, the 130 6.5" rim uses a 20.6mm offset, the standard 110 5.5" rim offset is 33mm, as is the 7.0" Disco rim.

[lardy]

OK, first up, yes Tdi's used the tub mount for the spare, (LH rear corner) and yes, the 130 6.5" rim uses a 20.6mm offset, the standard 110 5.5" rim offset is 33mm, as is the 7.0" Disco rim.

So Rick you legend have you seen a 130 with a bonnet mounted spare wheel ever ???
If no one has it's gotta come off.
Anyone got a front on picture of a 110 with a bonnet mounted set up ?

[rick130]

So Rick you legend have you seen a 130 with a bonnet mounted spare wheel ever ???
If no one has it's gotta come off.
Anyone got a front on picture of a 110 with a bonnet mounted set up ?

I think I have but can't hold my hand on my heart and swear to it.... :confused:

I'm sure this has been discussed waaaay back, and the talk was that the extra weight of the 130 rim would/did stuff the bonnet hinges, if not crack the bonnet on a corrugated road.

or is it just the vino talking ??

[weeds]

im not sure that offset would matter....13mm difference in offset, will have to check how much room to move there is on mine

what size tyres are you running

i have not had a problem with 235/85/16 or 7.50/16's using disco rims

i'm just not sure how the offset works....hang on does a 20.6mm offset mean the tyre sits lower on the bonnet mount therefore the rim does not touch the four posts, if this is the case than maybe the offset will stop you from mounting your rims, although just thinking you just need to extend the four post 13mm and you apples

hope i made sense of that

out to brave the cold and check mine

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/688.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/658.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/12/711.jpg

[weeds]

just had a close look at mine, i currently have a 235/85/16 BFG MT KM2 on the bonnet and i cannot get my finger between the tyre and bonnet (closest to the windscreen) soooo any change in offset will either giver you heaps of room and you would loose vision over the bonnet or go the other way which i am guessing is what you have encountered the tyre will foul the bonnet before the rims rest on the posts, taller posts may do the trick or run disco rims

[rick130]

Backspace of the 6.5" rim should be around 103mm, or roughly the same as the 5.5" rim by a couple of quick bashes on the calculator.

[weeds]

Backspace of the 6.5" rim should be around 103mm, or roughly the same as the 5.5" rim by a couple of quick bashes on the calculator.

sooo, does that mean it should fit:confused:

[mike_k]

My 130 has had a bonnet mounted spare since new. (1996)

It's got a tray one the back instead of the original tub body and no evidence of any other mounting arrangements.

Clearance between a standard 7.50 -16 tyre on the factory 130 rim is about 1 finger width between the bonnet and the fattest part of the tyre.

It definetely fits!

Having said that, the bonnet has not taken it too well over the years, it has a fatigue crack in the alloy around one of the wheel support rubbers and I have had to repair the steel frame of the bonnet panel near the mounts for the retainer for the rim. The hinges are fine though!

Hope this helps,

Cheers,
Mike

[rick130]

sooo, does that mean it should fit:confused:

Yep, unless a 255/85 is fitted, then it might be a bit tight ;)

And I'm sure I've seen a couple of Tdi 130's running around Quirindi and Tamworth with at least the mounting hardware on the bonnet. They are tray tops like mike_k's one.

[lardy]

im not sure that offset would matter....13mm difference in offset, will have to check how much room to move there is on mine

what size tyres are you running

i have not had a problem with 235/85/16 or 7.50/16's using disco rims

i'm just not sure how the offset works....hang on does a 20.6mm offset mean the tyre sits lower on the bonnet mount therefore the rim does not touch the four posts, if this is the case than maybe the offset will stop you from mounting your rims, although just thinking you just need to extend the four post 13mm and you apples

hope i made sense of that

out to brave the cold and check mine

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/688.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/658.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/12/711.jpg

well I see an issue from the get go and one that I was concerned about and why I did the first post...the bungs on the bonnet makes the wheel sit that amount( 1.5 inch roughly-)above the bonnet ...did not think that was right but land rover dealer thought nothing of it bugger tyres are standard on 16.5 rims

[lardy]

im not sure that offset would matter....13mm difference in offset, will have to check how much room to move there is on mine

what size tyres are you running

i have not had a problem with 235/85/16 or 7.50/16's using disco rims

i'm just not sure how the offset works....hang on does a 20.6mm offset mean the tyre sits lower on the bonnet mount therefore the rim does not touch the four posts, if this is the case than maybe the offset will stop you from mounting your rims, although just thinking you just need to extend the four post 13mm and you apples

hope i made sense of that

out to brave the cold and check mine

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/688.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/658.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/12/711.jpg

well I see an issue from the get go and one that I was concerned about and why I did the first post...the bungs on the bonnet makes the wheel sit that amount( 1.5 inch roughly-)above the bonnet ...did not think that was right but land rover dealer thought nothing of it bugger, tyres are standard on 16.5 rims

[Allan]

Why bonnet mount Lardy, my old 300TDI almost destroyed the bonnet lip and front guard on the corrigations of the Gibb River Road, thats why I have fitted a swing away on the Puma, alloy dont like that.

Allan

[rijidij]

I love the look of the wheel on the bonnet, but I don't like the restricted vision. It's a great idea for touring type trips, but can be a bit of a pain in the bush.

I've got so far on a swingaway rear carrier for a 130 tub, but I haven't had time to finish it off yet.

Murray

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1741.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1738.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1739.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1740.jpg

[lardy]

Murray before finishing that off get under that motor with a wire brush and knock that rust off,prime it and then paint it that will save you some drama's later lol.
Yeah I like what my mate did with his 101 (as it's a complete custom job from a GS) He has a fold down spare on the rear that is spring loaded, it makes a great seat or step should the need arise ...think that would be the way to go.
Maybe I will take it off although the 4mm chequer seems to add somewhat to the frail bonnet.

[Allan]

I just fitted a RoveaCraft swing away to my SVX, needed small modifications mainly due to after market wheels but now very happy with finished item. dont think its in the same ball park as the one pictured though.

Allan

[rick130]

I just fitted a RoveaCraft swing away to my SVX, needed small modifications mainly due to after market wheels but now very happy with finished item. dont think its in the same ball park as the one pictured though.

Allan

yours a 110 Allan ?
If so, they won't fit a 130.

Look at the overhang of the tray in the pics above.

[Blknight.aus]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/658.jpg



how long did that take you to photoshop?

[weeds]

how long did that take you to photoshop?

photoshopped........:angel:pretty sure i have covered this pic in a thread, it took longer than i thought for somebody to comment

[Tusker]

This is worth posting again

Difflock.com: Defender TD5 spare wheel mount (http://www.difflock.com/magazine/4x4_Gear/TD5_spare_wheel_mount.shtml)

Takes the load off the bonnet it seems. What's the consensus on corrugations?

Regards
Max P

[86mud]

My 1998 300TDI HPCU has the bonnet mounted spare as well as the one in the tub.

The wolf rims are heavy. The wheel edge sits on 4 rubber blocks making the tyre sit about 10mm about the surface of the bonnet.

So minimise the vibration of the bonnet, I went to Clark Rubber and grabbed 3 metres of pinchweld door seal and placed that around the edge of the bonnet.

Now the rubber pinchweld sits between the bonnet and guards and acts a bit like a cushion absorbing any bumps....but I haven't drive the Gribb River Road or the Gunbarrel highway so I haven't had any dramas with it so far.

To me...it isn't a landrover without the bonnet mounted spare.

Cheers
Andrew

[lardy]

My 1998 300TDI HPCU has the bonnet mounted spare as well as the one in the tub.

The wolf rims are heavy. The wheel edge sits on 4 rubber blocks making the tyre sit about 10mm about the surface of the bonnet.

So minimise the vibration of the bonnet, I went to Clark Rubber and grabbed 3 metres of pinchweld door seal and placed that around the edge of the bonnet.

Now the rubber pinchweld sits between the bonnet and guards and acts a bit like a cushion absorbing any bumps....but I haven't drive the Gribb River Road or the Gunbarrel highway so I haven't had any dramas with it so far.

To me...it isn't a landrover without the bonnet mounted spare.

Cheers
Andrew

Andrew me old mucker me old mate,
As you have the same set up as myself, I want to know if you could bang out a couple of shots of the three pin bracket and the gap from the bonnet and the tyre...thanks mate

[rijidij]

Murray before finishing that off get under that motor with a wire brush and knock that rust off,prime it and then paint it that will save you some drama's later lol.

Yeah, I know..............just another one of those jobs I haven't got around to, yet. [bighmmm]

[86mud]

Here's a couple of pics showing the attachment that holds the rim in place, the way the rim/tyre sits about 10mm about the bonnet on 4 rubber blocks plus the pinch weld door seal between the bonnet and the guard.

Cheers
Andrew

[mike_ie]

So minimise the vibration of the bonnet, I went to Clark Rubber and grabbed 3 metres of pinchweld door seal and placed that around the edge of the bonnet.

Now the rubber pinchweld sits between the bonnet and guards and acts a bit like a cushion absorbing any bumps....but I haven't drive the Gribb River Road or the Gunbarrel highway so I haven't had any dramas with it so far.

You've just solved my one gripe with having my spare on the bonnet mate. Will be heading to Clarke Rubber first thing in the morning.

[mike_ie]

This is worth posting again

Difflock.com: Defender TD5 spare wheel mount (http://www.difflock.com/magazine/4x4_Gear/TD5_spare_wheel_mount.shtml)

Takes the load off the bonnet it seems. What's the consensus on corrugations?

Regards
Max P

I've seen a few of these back at home - AFAIK they are manufactured by a French company. They're definitely far superior to having the spare bolted onto the bonnet, if I remember correctly, one end replaces the standard hinges, the other end sits right above the locking pin of the bonnet, so the bonnet itself isn't taking any of the weight. They weren't cheap though, as I recall, for what they are. I imagine that someone with a spare set of bonnet hinges lying around wouldn't have any trouble bending up something similar.

[VladTepes]

http://www.difflock.com/magazine/4x4_Gear/TD5_spare_wheel_mount.shtml
Paintit body colour and it would be very subtle !

Products like this should be easy to rip pff, ahem, be inspired by and I cannto see why there are not more low volume Land Rover doo dads such as this available here - Australians being such an innovative lot !

[mike_ie]

I imagine that "ripping them off" in order to sell them on opens you up to a world of legal issues. However, the Projects and Tutorials section would stand to prove just how innovative some people can be :D

[lardy]

Here's a couple of pics showing the attachment that holds the rim in place, the way the rim/tyre sits about 10mm about the bonnet on 4 rubber blocks plus the pinch weld door seal between the bonnet and the guard.

Cheers
Andrew

Andrew, mine looks totally different to yours the plate is inverted like yours but I have a clamp with three pins coming through the back of the bonnet will photograph tomorrow, I have seen that Land Rover made a couple of different 'clamps' as they call it which is the back plate, maybe this was an attempt to correct the issues of them buggering the bonnet.
I feel more confident of the strength of mine with the 4mm chequerplate in place, but it still sits up along way away from the bonnet so is Susceptible to corrugations one would suspect.
Regards Andy

[lardy]

hiya finally took the pics first one shows the gap between the tyre and bonnet second is side on view I reckon it's a bit wrong.