Watch Your Parts!!!!!

[bayrover]

Ok Series 1 owners. Watch all your parts. The overseas raids are ready to start

[Landy Smurf]

how do you know this

[digger]

i have also heard this too
especially since their pound is back up

I know someone in katherine who has been approached to buy for a pom!

digger

[bayrover]

I heard the buying show is on the way up the western australian coast

[bayrover]

disguised as a recono mission before a central aust trip. What a lot of BS

[StuRR80]

Did you see the article in this month's LRO? Cheesed me off a little bit.

[Scallops]

Whilst I understand the sentiment here, I guess a market is just that. When average examples of complete vehicles sell in England for 6000 pounds plus, it's not surprising. Many of us here just won't pay that money - I guess if someone else comes here and will - they get the goods.

[Bent Series]

Hi Bayrover,
Have I missed something? Please fill me in.

[Landy Smurf]

they can have mine....not,then again the stuff im not keeping isnt very good

[bayrover]

Looks like two 48's from SA could be leaving our shores soon

[digger]

Looks like two 48's from SA could be leaving our shores soon

details??

[back_in]

thank you for a wonderful post
have a idea of the 48's in S.A.
were and what is the wonderful
info you have and have not dribbled forth
cheers
Ian

[LRO53]

Looks like two 48's from SA could be leaving our shores soon

Are there any other then 1 in SA to remove?

Here is a list of Known South Australian Delievered 1948 Land Rovers

R860194 = UK
R860750 = VIC
R861089 = NSW
R861090 = VIC
R861265 = VIC
R861277 = VIC
R861279 = VIC
R861921 = VIC
R862925 = SA
R862924 or R862926 = QLD

[Tote]

Looks like two 48's from SA could be leaving our shores soon

Who cares, stop trolling. It's a free market. If people dont want their parts/vehicles to go overseas they don't have to sell them . If they are being stolen then it's a matter for the police isnt it?

Tote

[back_in]

Hi
to the experts who say things
and can not or do not back them up
don't
stirring the Pot is not good for any one
cheers
Ian

[tom the pom]

At least something has been done with 194, and not held onto by a bunch of wanners, the guy who owns it is young the world is a smaller place, whos to say it wont ever come back, maybe some of you should have a greater look out!

[ellard]

Hi there Guys

I have been watching this post - but until now havent said much.

My interest in Land Rovers started as a few years back (maybe a bit longer than that) as they were cheap - but it has now changed and people are paying big dollars (supply and demand).

I need to stress I do enjoy the friendships I have made through this forum and Land Rover events, and there is alot of swapping and trading that goes on as we have a common interest.

But I do agree:


Who cares, stop trolling. It's a free market. If people dont want their parts/vehicles to go overseas they don't have to sell them . If they are being stolen then it's a matter for the police isnt it?


But guys - we need to remember when we post pictures on the web,- its displayed to a world wide audience and this can be a invitation for some to shop while you are not home.

Its happen to me once so keep your toys secure.

Well my views

Wayne

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If people want to keep the Land Rover heritage in Australia, then all they have to do is convince the pollies to introduce legislation that includes 48 Land Rovers in our movable heritage.

It is what happened with some of the vehicles that went over to the 2009 D Day celebrations (Driving to D Day on Foxtel History Channel) they were not permitted to be sold O/S and must be returned to Australia.

[clean32]

If people want to keep the Land Rover heritage in Australia, then all they have to do is convince the pollies to introduce legislation that includes 48 Land Rovers in our movable heritage.

It is what happened with some of the vehicles that went over to the 2009 D Day celebrations (Driving to D Day on Foxtel History Channel) they were not permitted to be sold O/S and must be returned to Australia.

that was not aussie law that thay couldint be sold O\S it was the pommy laws. same as arving in a campervan. drive in drive out.

[bobslandies]

At least something has been done with 194, and not held onto by a bunch of wanners, the guy who owns it is young the world is a smaller place, whos to say it wont ever come back, maybe some of you should have a greater look out!

Could not agree more - and the restoration is marvellous.

Bob

[Lotz-A-Landies]

that was not aussie law that thay couldint be sold O\S it was the pommy laws. same as arving in a campervan. drive in drive out.I beg to differ, it was related to Australian Law and obtaining temporary export permits for some of the vehicles. The particular vehicles are supposed to be sole survivors of their particular type/s and are considered part of Australia's WWII heritage by the Australian War Memorial.

[Aaron IIA]

Can you enlighten us as to the make/model of these rare vehicles? Two members from my club sold their vehicles in Europe, to help pay for their trip.

Aaron.

[clean32]

I beg to differ, it was related to Australian Law and obtaining temporary export permits for some of the vehicles. The particular vehicles are supposed to be sole survivors of their particular type/s and are considered part of Australia's WWII heritage by the Australian War Memorial.

Mate

The only Australian law regarding permits for exporting from Australian shores are in relation to defense and strategic items. a S1 Landover hardly comes under this category.
the second part which I think you are calling law is that the national heritage list, or any thing on the list must have a permit to be exported or may be exported but with restrictions IE can not be sold etc etc.

interesting class A item which can not be exported " period" are Victoria crosses and Ned Kelly’s armor. think that says a lot.

Class B covers heritage machinery but this is not the Australian law that you are referring to.

1970 UNESCO Convention on heritage is what you want as this is acted upon by the receiving country IE the country where the item would be sold in.
It is illogical and impractical to impose an export requirement on an item. Once it has left our shores Australian law has no effect. If I can send a S1 to England, regardless of what Australian law says. My ability to sell that item in England is solely decided by English law.
In the case that you present, Ministerial approval was needed for the 2 vehicles ( not all as you imply) of cultural significance and ( arguably) in public ownership ( museum) to leave Australian shores. Any thing else is an understanding or agreement or statement given to justify and acquire such permission.

some vehicles were sold. the 2 in question were not sold and if there was any intent to sell I doubt that they could have been because the receiving country is a signature of the 1970 UNESCO Convention.

Besides the Australian war memorial is not the decider of what is of cultural heritage or not, although they can make representation to have an item included or judged as cultural sensitive to Australia.

In the case of the land rovers you have mentioned, there case was not that they were the LAST survivors but that they had additional history. it is this fact that the rarity of the vehicles and there interesting history COMBINED made the case that they be classified as heritage items, thus requiring and export permit. Other vehicles of the same vintage were not classified as such and were sold overseas.

[bobslandies]

I beg to differ, it was related to Australian Law and obtaining temporary export permits for some of the vehicles. The particular vehicles are supposed to be sole survivors of their particular type/s and are considered part of Australia's WWII heritage by the Australian War Memorial.

Given that the Australian War memorial opened on 1941 it is incredible that their charter did not then (as it does not now) save examples of every piece of equipment that they should have "considered" were/are part of Australia's military heritage.

Some citizen (or group) has the interest or foresight to find, identify, acquire, haul, wash & scrub, research, repair, restore, hunt for parts and accessories, register, insure, display and maintain a "movable heritage" article.
Then some anonymous non-performer can "consider" its future, while hiding behind and interpreting very vague motherhood type legislation that started out to protect aboriginal items, then encompassed wreck relics and has continued to expand.
The next phase in this socialist thinking is to compulsarily acquire the item as these "experts" are more capable to "protect" it.

Bob

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Not going to get into conspiracy theorys or on Australian officialdom ommitting to recognise it's own history and arranging to preserve much of our heritage. However my point is that some vehicles are currently refused export permission by the Government on heritage grounds.

The corollary to that is if people think that 1948 or any other Land Rover in this country is of such importance to our heritage that it shouldn't leave our shores, then they need to get onto the Federal Government to have them declared as such.

Otherwise market forces will rule the day.

[weeds]

didn't they all come from england in the first place :p

[isuzutoo-eh]

Kelvin,
They would have spent a month or so at the factory, a a few days trip to the dock, a couple of weeks/months on a boat then 60 odd years in Australia. So for the UK they hold perhaps 2 months of heritage/cultural value, for Australia considerably longer. It'd be awfully hard to display an export market vehicle in context in the UK unless its on the back of a truck or in the factory under assembly.

The trouble is the majority of people see the vehicle/item as just that, the steel, aluminium and rubber conglomeration, when the story that goes with the vehicle is far more important. That is why patina and in-use modifications are also important to the historian, as they help tell the story of the item, its working conditions, methods of repair/manufacture and what it meant to its owner/user.
This is also why reproductions, no matter how perfect they are, are not valued the same as original articles, they don't have any story.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

didn't they all come from england in the first place :pNo if you're talking about the vehicles that the AWM had their grubby fingerprints on, many of them were built here with mechanicals from Canada, USA and locally built components.

The 1948 Land Rovers were built in the UK, but should we allow the first LR to arrive in Oz back to the UK? That is the question.

Diana

[clean32]

No if you're talking about the vehicles that the AWM had their grubby fingerprints on, many of them were built here with mechanicals from Canada, USA and locally built components.

The 1948 Land Rovers were built in the UK, but should we allow the first LR to arrive in Oz back to the UK? That is the question.

Diana

what’s with the WE thing??

I would say its up to the owner, after all this is not a communist country.
and if some one or some organization feels that it should stay in aussie, then cough up.

isn’t there a thread about a LR that thumped around Australia making docos? No one wanted that one until a member here ( and good on him) decided to take on the wreck. And if I recall correctly none of the museums were interested. If for example this LR was to be exported, plenty would complain but as this example has shown very few are prepared to do any thing about it other than complain.

Which brings up to the point. If a LR wreck is exported and then lovingly restored, that’s brilliant. Better than sitting under a gum rotting away like so many of then are. There even forgotten landys video around here some where

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The question is WE - we as a nation. We as citizens, We as Land Rover enthusiasts.

e.g.
Should we the citizens of Sydney have allowed The Rocks in Sydney to be knocked down by developers.
Should we the people of Australia fight in other people's wars.
Should we the Australian Land Rover community be repaired to preserve the heritage of our favoured marque.

Otherwise the question does not make sense.

If we collective feel it is important, then we should collectively do something about it. If we collectively don't think it's important, then we collectively wont do anything and the free market will prevail.

BTW: We may not live in a communist country, but we don't live in a true democracy either. We have no constitution guaranteeing any rights or freedoms, apart from that the government is able to acquire our property on "just terms". Our only freedom is that we have the opportunity to select the people who will dictate us from time to time.

[Scallops]

QUOTE=clean32... If a LR wreck is exported and then lovingly restored, that’s brilliant. Better than sitting under a gum rotting away like so many of then are....QUOTE

I agree - which is a corollary of my first post in this thread.

[lane]

Hi all,

Interesting discussion. I tend to agree that legislation is the last resort for anything. I kind of like the present Federal Parliament situation where it looks like they won't be able to do anything for a while. :)

However it is a good heads-up if it is true that there is a significant movement of vehicles O/S. This has happened to Peugeots, particularly 504s, which have disappeared in large numbers to Africa in recent years. Not sure they have a huge amount of historical value, however if one were to be an admirer and want to restore one, as I have a couple in the past, this becomes very difficult (i.e. expensive) when the parts cars disappear.

So the lesson is, if this trend is factual, and if you want to be able to restore old Landies in future, buy the wrecks you can now. They will seem very cheap later.

Cheers,
Lane.

[tom the pom]

Are there any other then 1 in SA to remove?

Here is a list of Known South Australian Delievered 1948 Land Rovers

R860194 = UK
R860750 = VIC
R861089 = NSW
R861090 = VIC
R861265 = VIC
R861277 = VIC
R861279 = VIC
R861921 = VIC
R862925 = SA
R862924 or R862926 = QLD


So 860194 is in the uk, in the lish here you havent put that 860175 now lives in Adelaide, and L48 in Perth, and also 860130 which could have been a private import early in its life, Land rover were made for export, and I guess that is still very much the case, even with 1948 models!!

[LRO53]

860175 now lives in Adelaide, and L48 in Perth, and also 860130 which could have been a private import early in its life,

860175 forgot about that one...

(I was only counting SA Vehicles L48 and 860130 are in WA)

[tom the pom]

What about 861087, where is that one?? it excists? ex S A!!

[ellard]

Hi there


What about 861087, where is that one?? it excists? ex S A!!

I know where it is - but not for sale........

Wayne

[tom the pom]

Hi there



I know where it is - but not for sale........

Wayne

Am I right in saying its in NSW and the Blue mountains??

[mildred]

Am I right in saying its in NSW and the Blue mountains??

its half way between taree and Gloucester and on the buckets;) way.
Clue: on the right about 5 mins out of kramback:p

[bayrover]

Well done Wayne!! Bad luck Tom the Pom and LRO 53

[bayrover]

So is TOM THE POM still in COOMA WITH ALL HIS FRIENDS as his post suggests?

[Lost Landy]

So is TOM THE POM still in COOMA WITH ALL HIS FRIENDS as his post suggests?

Trolling trolling trolling keep on trolling pmsl

[alittlebitconcerned]

I had no idea people were so deeeeply into LR's. I must confess they hold little to no value to me in the historic context of our nation but I do admire a passionate collector/enthusiast who fights to preserve an object that defines that passion. I wish you all luck in the pursuit of keeping said objects of desire here but I think a more constructive angle should be explored other than demonising people who share the same love for historic LR's. If you want to remove the threat of the "others" than the only way is buy what up what is out there and hold it. You have to put your money where your mouth is otherwise these cars will disappear. If they do all go than they weren't worth much to the national psyche to begin with and the people who ended up with them deserve them.

[bobslandies]

So is TOM THE POM still in COOMA WITH ALL HIS FRIENDS as his post suggests?

While the address may be Cooma when he is visiting Australia you should get your facts straight again - they are actually on the Nullarbour.
Give it a rest Mark! Like others have said - quit trolling.

Bob

[mildred]

While the address may be Cooma when he is visiting Australia you should get your facts straight again - they are actually on the Nullarbour.
Give it a rest Mark! Like others have said - quit trolling.

Bob
so is this "tom person" going around Australia buying up any series landies and shipping them back to the UK?

I would probably think that if he is, and what he finds is not wanted by enthusiasts here, then he is doing a great service to the heritage and memories of Historic series land rovers!
Most members on here have at least one S1 and many have more to boot. Thats their choice and good on them...

I also dont understand the meaning of the word "trolling" as used in context in post on this forum?
Is seeking help in locating S'1 suddenly not approved of?
Cant for the life of me think that it is a bad thing to do.

Here endith my rant :soapbox:

[bobslandies]

[B]I also dont understand the meaning of the word "trolling" as used in context in post on this forum?

Hi Mildred,

Trolling on the internet usually takes the form of derogatory statements, mainly false about other people.
See here:
Urban Dictionary: trolling (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php'term=trolling)

Irrespective of the comments of some other AULRO members Tom knows more, has done more and has helped Series 1 enthusiasts on both sides of the world over a very long period.

So much of the Series 1 production came to Australia that if some of the dry area donors can help keep vehicles going in Europe then that's good! Better than getting crushed.

Bob

[bayrover]

The statement is as it is. Is Tom the Pom in Cooma with his friends. I was of the assumption that he resides in the UK. If he does not live in Cooma why should it be with his post. BS

[bayrover]

And by the way be very careful with the way you point the stick towards your definition of trolling

[mildred]

Not going to get into conspiracy theorys or on Australian officialdom ommitting to recognise it's own history and arranging to preserve much of our heritage. However my point is that some vehicles are currently refused export permission by the Government on heritage grounds.

The corollary to that is if people think that 1948 or any other Land Rover in this country is of such importance to our heritage that it shouldn't leave our shores, then they need to get onto the Federal Government to have them declared as such.

Otherwise market forces will rule the day.


I agree, what one person thinks is a heritage item is not by another person or group.
I think it is Theise (spelling?) motors in Sydney that owns the very first Toyota 4x4 imported into Australia , and a remarkable vehicle it is to, as is a S1.
Should this Toyota be included in the protected vehicle list or is it just British vehicles? :eek:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I agree, what one person thinks is a heritage item is not by another person or group.
I think it is Theise (spelling?) motors in Sydney that owns the very first Toyota 4x4 imported into Australia , and a remarkable vehicle it is to, as is a S1.
Should this Toyota be included in the protected vehicle list or is it just British vehicles? :eek:
I'm not advocating either way about heritage listing of vehicles.

Yes there is justification that certain items be preserved, heritage listed if you like. But the items should represent something, like the "first of" a particular set or one that was involved in something significant, like the 80" that carried Lord Baden Powell at the world Scout Jamboree. Not just farmer Jones' old Land Rover.

And if heritage listing was something that we do then the first Land Cruiser in Australia should be one of them.

[andy_d110]

Tom the Pom has struck again.... This time it was a complete 1948 front axle assembly with 4.88 diff centre, 3 x 1948 rims and some 1948 door tops. Apparently found somewhere North of Adelaide and South of Darwin... Will be going onto my '48 project.

Thanks Tom the Pom from Cooma.

Just a tip to everyone in imagination AULRO land, if you don't like the fact that aussie series one parts and complete vehicles may well be heading overseas to help others then maybe you should tear yourself away from the computer for long enough to go and find your own piece of Land Rover history in the bush somewhere. They won't come looking for you. . . . :p

[bobslandies]

Good news about the front end and other bits Andrew!

Further to what I said in Post #45 Tom has now helped another Aussie restoration move forward.

Bob

[tom the pom]

For sale,

860004, the first land rover to come to Australia, POA serious collector required, the excisting owner does not care if it stays in Australia or goes anywhere i the universe!!!

[digger]

Well, it appears first offer is here for us, so if not taken up I would assume it makes it hard for us to complain?

Im not taking a side either way but prefer them to stay here, as stated though stuff being ignored nowdays here (Ill come back to that one day) goes to get stuff going again somewhere....at least its not wasted..just moved!

Wish I had the 'spondoolicks' for it! (not that I have any idea what it would go for!)

cheers

[ellard]

Hi there Tom

Many thanks for the offer - but already have two many projects, not enough cash and limited spare time.

But if it was a Fire Engine, well thats would be a different story

all the best

Wayne

[tom the pom]

Just to be clear it is nothing to do with me. just letting you know, and sometimes people just dont care what happens to historic stuff, they only see dollar signs

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Tom

Isn't R860004 the vehicle that came from Boulder Mines and was re-built in the 1980's for a round Australia trip using a lot of 1950 parts?

Are the early bits still with the vehicle?

BTW: Didn't 002, 003 and 005 also come to Oz?

Diana

[260AC]

Tom

Isn't R860004 the vehicle that came from Boulder Mines and was re-built in the 1980's for a round Australia trip using a lot of 1950 parts?

Are the early bits still with the vehicle?

BTW: Didn't 002, 003 and 005 also come to Oz?

Diana

Yep thats it.

For its over Oz trip for the 50th when it was rebuilt, the owner fitted later S1 Engine Gearbox and axles as he was worried about breaking something rare.

The original axles and gearbox were with the vehicle and the box is Pre Pro No R37.

The engine was a very early 49 side plate and had been in the vehicle a long time.

These parts were set aside for a rainy day.

Production 5 and 26 were the other very early vehicles and both to Regent Motors Melbourne

[digger]

Yep thats it.

For its over Oz trip for the 50th when it was rebuilt, the owner fitted later S1 Engine Gearbox and axles as he was worried about breaking something rare.

The original axles and gearbox were with the vehicle and the box is Pre Pro No R37.

The engine was a very early 49 side plate and had been in the vehicle a long time.

These parts were set aside for a rainy day.

Production 5 and 26 were the other very early vehicles and both to Regent Motors Melbourne

so just asking...do those parts etc come with the vehicle?

[260AC]

so just asking...do those parts etc come with the vehicle?

To be honest,

No idea.

Just mentioning what Kevin Bowden told me personally in the mid to late 1990's while he was getting the vehicle ready for that trip.

You need to ask Tom for the contact details