Do-er-upper on e-bay

[wayneg]

This might be worth an inspection for anyone looking for a project.
Its obviously not a Vogue but 4 bypass valves for the EAS and a second hand headlamp will get you mobile

Range Rover 1994 Vogue SE - eBay, Passenger Vehicles, Cars, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 30-Jul-10 16:14:39 AEST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Range-Rover-1994-Vogue-SE-/250671049512?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3a5d28ab28)

[Keithy P38]

You could buy it for less than 5k, spend the 2800k on the Hard Range lift/gen III kit, put some money into making the engine what it should be and give it a vacuum = very tough Rangie (minus dirty seats and carpets)!!

I rekon budget 15k to have a total package that'd keep on keeping on and keep the department of transport happy too!

Could be the buy of the year... Reasonably tidy for what it is!

Keithy

[PaulP38a]

Tempting at that price, but full of gremlins I'd bet. EAS would be a pretty cheap and easy fix as Keithy says... as long as the bags are ok, install a bypass kit before driving it home and pump it up... 15mins work and Batemans Bay is only about 1.5hrs from my place. Once home, do the valve block o-rings and compressor seal, plug in the EAS Unlock cable and clear any faults.

Stereo - who cares? It will be replaced by a decent aftermarket unit anyway. Interesting to note that this Dec 94 4.0 SE has steering wheel controls for the stereo, and headlamp wash/wipe... my 1999 4.0 does not.

HVAC LCD not displaying... could be bulbs, LCD matrix or maybe replace the HVAC panel, not difficult or too expensive.

Everything else, who knows what they didn't put in the ad? You pays yer money and takes yer chances...

Bonnet and front passenger door looks ok... seems to be same colour as mine and I need new ones after getting a bit too intimate with nature ;)

Not going to drive it home though - it obviously has no rego.

Got me thinking though... I was sorta planning for the Hard Rangie Mk2 to be a black 2002 HSE with dark tint and full black leather interior :cool::cool:

Cheers, Paul.

[Fish78]

Mmm, its tempting, i was considering one on here that needed a new engine but that wasn't to be, i wouldn't mind a project just not now.

Interesting i had a chat with a bloke i know in the UK, he reckons they are using the CHEV/Holden LS3 6.2l V8 crate engine as a replacement for the Rover V8.

LS3 brand new 480BHP about $7k

Wiring harness $900

Deluxe Accessory Drive Kit $1200 which includes heaps (very good value)


Bracket - Air Conditioning
Compressor - Air Conditioning
Tensioner - Air Conditioning Belt
Belt - Air Conditioning Compressor
Bracket - Power Steering Pump
Pump - Power Steering
Pulley - Power Steering Pump
Reservoir - Power Steering Fluid
Hose - Power Steering Fluid Reservoir with clamps
Bracket - Alternator
Alternator
Pulley - Belt Idler
Tensioner - Drive Belt
Belt - Water Pump / Alternator / Power Steering

Would be about $10-11k with an Eng Cert,for brand new engine with all that, not a bad deal i think.

A project i would love to do, that engine, the Hard Rangie/Arnott lift, rebuild EAS, weld up some bar work (minimal look) front air locker, rear auto locker and decent wheels/tyres.

I have a link to the shop for that stuff, you can get similar prices in Australia too, the LS3 is cheaper here.

PWP | Partsworld Performance :: GM Performance Parts and LS V8 Engines in the UK (http://www.partsworldperformance.com/index.php)

[Remy]

Why at nearly 40 does the idea of 480BHP still appeal to me?:(
and even more so the supercharged version :D
Remy

[wayneg]

Mmm, its tempting, i was considering one on here that needed a new engine but that wasn't to be, i wouldn't mind a project just not now.

Interesting i had a chat with a bloke i know in the UK, he reckons they are using the CHEV/Holden LS3 6.2l V8 crate engine as a replacement for the Rover V8.

LS3 brand new 480BHP about $7k

Wiring harness $900

Deluxe Accessory Drive Kit $1200 which includes heaps (very good value)


Bracket - Air Conditioning
Compressor - Air Conditioning
Tensioner - Air Conditioning Belt
Belt - Air Conditioning Compressor
Bracket - Power Steering Pump
Pump - Power Steering
Pulley - Power Steering Pump
Reservoir - Power Steering Fluid
Hose - Power Steering Fluid Reservoir with clamps
Bracket - Alternator
Alternator
Pulley - Belt Idler
Tensioner - Drive Belt
Belt - Water Pump / Alternator / Power Steering

Would be about $10-11k with an Eng Cert,for brand new engine with all that, not a bad deal i think.

A project i would love to do, that engine, the Hard Rangie/Arnott lift, rebuild EAS, weld up some bar work (minimal look) front air locker, rear auto locker and decent wheels/tyres.

I have a link to the shop for that stuff, you can get similar prices in Australia too, the LS3 is cheaper here.

PWP | Partsworld Performance :: GM Performance Parts and LS V8 Engines in the UK (http://www.partsworldperformance.com/index.php)

Is there anyone who has put this engine into a P38, I would love to see a write-up

[cal415]

Mmm, its tempting, i was considering one on here that needed a new engine but that wasn't to be, i wouldn't mind a project just not now.

Interesting i had a chat with a bloke i know in the UK, he reckons they are using the CHEV/Holden LS3 6.2l V8 crate engine as a replacement for the Rover V8.

LS3 brand new 480BHP about $7k

Wiring harness $900

Deluxe Accessory Drive Kit $1200 which includes heaps (very good value)


Bracket - Air Conditioning
Compressor - Air Conditioning
Tensioner - Air Conditioning Belt
Belt - Air Conditioning Compressor
Bracket - Power Steering Pump
Pump - Power Steering
Pulley - Power Steering Pump
Reservoir - Power Steering Fluid
Hose - Power Steering Fluid Reservoir with clamps
Bracket - Alternator
Alternator
Pulley - Belt Idler
Tensioner - Drive Belt
Belt - Water Pump / Alternator / Power Steering

Would be about $10-11k with an Eng Cert,for brand new engine with all that, not a bad deal i think.

A project i would love to do, that engine, the Hard Rangie/Arnott lift, rebuild EAS, weld up some bar work (minimal look) front air locker, rear auto locker and decent wheels/tyres.

I have a link to the shop for that stuff, you can get similar prices in Australia too, the LS3 is cheaper here.

PWP | Partsworld Performance :: GM Performance Parts and LS V8 Engines in the UK (http://www.partsworldperformance.com/index.php)

and how many km do you expect the gearbox to last? :)

[Fish78]

Yeah that did cross my mind, apparently you can get the standard LR box strengthened or for added cost fit the 6spd man or auto box that goes with the LS3, if fitting that box i would guess the GMC version used in their 4X4s would be the choice to retain use of 4wd etc, the LS series of engines has been used in a large range of vehicles so there are plenty of options.

The interior 4WD activation might be a bit of a PITA if using the Chev box, that would need some thought put into it lol.

I was told that people are fitting the LS3 engine to P38s in the UK by a guy from the engine shop i linked to, i haven't heard first hand of anyone that has, but apparently it's a good fit.

[Keithy P38]

Great thinking!! I've got friends with LS2 engines in their Torana's, it can't be that hard to adapt to a P38! And how would it be with a nice 6spd auto as well! Keep the transfer and viscous coupling if possible and you've got a nice package!

Keithy

[Fish78]

The real headache it would seem with doing this conversion is electrics, you need to get control between the 2 systems, P38 and Chev engine, the easiest way i think is to have a programmable unit that will bridge the gap and translate the signals that need to be shared.



Here's links to some older conversions done by overfinch, LS1s i think.

Range Rover, Wod's Site, History, Conversions, 1995 Range Rover Overfinch 5.7 (http://www.wods.dk/rangerover/hi/conversion/r-hist-conv-1995-overfinch-57.htm)

Range Rover, Wod's Site, History, Conversions, 1996 Overfinch 630R Anniversary (http://www.wods.dk/rangerover/hi/conversion/r-hist-conv-1996-overfinch-630R-anniversary.htm)

[Keithy P38]

The chev in that P38 is a Tune Port Injected motor - much simpler electrics than an LS series chev! My view without being an electronics guru would be this:

Microtec or similar ECU on the engine, set up to chat with the transmission ECU (that's pretty simple to do), and BeCM. The last bit would be where the dramas are!

Nonetheless it's been done!

Keithy

[Aussie]

LS3 brand new 480BHP about $7k

As Mr Clarkson so nicely puts it: "I've just had a crisis"

[Keithy P38]

Aussie, don't ditch yours - get an LS3!! I'm pretty sure they only slip liners if you add a turbo to the mix!!

Keithy

[Aussie]

If there was someone in Aus that did the conversion then I would be certainly thinking this option very seriously. The issue I can see is that nobody has done it here in a P38 therefore I wouldnt want to go through the hassle of being the guinea pig.

[Junosi]

Stubee did a fair bit of research into this topic from memory as he was looking seriously at putting in an LS3 - so he might be one to ask if he's still around - haven't heard from him for a while.... (would of said that about Aussie last week though:D)

[Aussie]

(would of said that about Aussie last week though)

lol yes I am still around..... Now I just gotta convince the Mrs why I would need 430 BHP

[rovercare]

The chev in that P38 is a Tune Port Injected motor - much simpler electrics than an LS series chev! My view without being an electronics guru would be this:

Microtec or similar ECU on the engine, set up to chat with the transmission ECU (that's pretty simple to do), and BeCM. The last bit would be where the dramas are!

Nonetheless it's been done!

Keithy

You take the fantastic fully tuneable Delphi and stick a crude archaic microtec in, your as silly as a wheel man:eek:

Delphi is an easy as wire up, done heaps of LS engines now, the hard part with this conversion is fooling the BeCM, I think its very achievable and am hoping to pioneer? this conversion, but won't be till next year:(.....unless someone is willing to spend the money on their P38 and I'll give a HEAVILY reduced labour rate:angel:

[Fish78]

Marks Adaptors make some stuff that could be helpful with this conversion.

The adapters they have were not designed for the LS3 they were made for earlier Chev 350s but should be usable with the LS3 as i don't think there is much if any difference in mounting points with Chev V8s of different age, the LS1 through 7 will all bolt into the same boxes etc.

The BeCM mod they make for Holden V8s would be reprogrammable, just needs the correct LR codes.


Marks 4WD link > L-Rover / R-Rov8er (http://www.marks4wd.com/products/engine-trans-conversions/rangeroverindex.html)

[rovercare]

Marks Adaptors make some stuff that could be helpful with this conversion.

The adapters they have were not designed for the LS3 they were made for earlier Chev 350s but should be usable with the LS3 as i don't think there is much if any difference in mounting points with Chev V8s of different age, the LS1 through 7 will all bolt into the same boxes etc.

The BeCM mod they make for Holden V8s would be reprogrammable, just needs the correct LR codes.


Marks 4WD link > L-Rover / R-Rov8er (http://www.marks4wd.com/products/engine-trans-conversions/rangeroverindex.html)

No, none of it is of any use, the adaptors available will neither mount the ZF in the P38, nor the 4L60e holden trans (or4L80e for the matter) to the Tx case of the P38, the Mod who speak of in regards to the holden BCM for an LS motor in the Delphi ECU is merely a drop down windows funtion that turns VATS off allowing the motor to go without BCM

[Keithy P38]

I did say Microtec or similar :-)

[cal415]

Tried 350 adapters with mine, picked up from rovercare 2nd hand hoping they would do the job, but the ring gear was to big and would have required a lot of meat taken out of the adapter plate, a little to much for my liking especially when i was thinking of using a lt95 which would have required even heaps of bellhousing cutting too, the engine mounts are also different on a ls1 compared to a older 350 but then could be adapted to suit possibly.

Also i agree with the delphi option, why would you pay a fortune for an after market ecu when you have a perfectly good highly tunable delphi? any LS motor tuner can handle a delphi, i have gone with the EFIlive option so i can tune mine myself and as rovercare said, disabling the BCM side of things is easy

[Keithy P38]

Soon enough we'll be seeing an LS powered P38 me thinks :-)

Keithy