Some good news about my Puma

[Scallops]

Hello Folks,

Unfortunately, over the last period of time, I have had to report on many big issues that I have encountered in my ownership of Grover.

But at last - the sun is shining - I'm feeling optimistic about my truck again. Since my new transfer case, gearbox and clutch have been fitted and run in, everything feels rock solid - much better than as it was from new.

Couple this with my engine management light issue, which, was in fact the EGR valve. Since this has been replaced, the truck drives just so much better that it's hard to believe. One example is this - at about 60km/h in 4th, hovering on and off the throttle, the truck could produce a very "jolty", kind of surge feel. LR initially insisted this was driveline slop - I knew it wasn't (it had never done so previously), but had resigned myself to this not being able to be fixed. And, BTW - I think dullbird - your vehicle did this until they changed your engine.

Well - that was the issue - my EGR valve was clogged up to the Bejezus with carbon and, given the fine electronic control of the engine's management, this was enough to cause the above mentioned effect (Austral's explanation). It's 100% eliminated now. Interestingly, I've been told to do the following - maybe once per week, drive the vehicle down the freeway in 4th at 100km/h for 3 or 4 minutes - kind of like riding a 2 stroke. This blows the cobwebs out and helps reduce carbon buildup. This was probably my problem - as I never really used to rev the engine much at all beyond 2200rpm.

In short - my Defender now drives like never before and feels as solid as a rock. I'm feeling we've turned the corner - my long (near on 3 year) period of "finishing what Solihul didn't do" appears to be over.

So I wanted to start this thread, to revisit down the track with updates to verify this really is the case - but I've now done quite a few km with zero issues - which is a first! :D

Secondly - I wanted to put it out there that, although some of us might have some big issues with these vehicles, it can all come good.

I'll keep you all informed.

[spudboy]

Very nice to hear that. I hope you've got it sorted now.

Cheers
David

[Drover]

Glad to hear things are going well.

It has certainly been well earned.

Cheers

[Mick-Kelly]

Someone remind me never to buy one of these :eek::eek::eek::eek:

[justinc]

EGR...Don't fret too much Scallops, the Nissan series of diesels have a serious EGR = early engine problems issue, as do almost all modern diesels that try and comply with ADR's and achieve excelllent power and torque numbers.
The only way to really fix it is to block it off, which is illegal, and some engines will go into limp mode if tampered with electronically.

Good to hear the love for the Landy flowing again!:)

JC

[Scallops]

EGR...Don't fret too much Scallops, the Nissan series of diesels have a serious EGR = early engine problems issue, as do almost all modern diesels that try and comply with ADR's and achieve excelllent power and torque numbers.
The only way to really fix it is to block it off, which is illegal, and some engines will go into limp mode if tampered with electronically.

Good to hear the love for the Landy flowing again!:)

JC

Thanks Justin,

Would you also recommend doing as Austral say and driving it, say once per week for 5 minutes, on the freeway at 100-110 km/h in 4th or 5th to "de-carbon" the engine?

I'm revving it up to 3 grand on the change up from 3rd to 4th on most changes now - once the engine is warm.

[abaddonxi]

Yay!

Drive it like you stole it.:D

[solmanic]

...I've been told to do the following - maybe once per week, drive the vehicle down the freeway in 4th at 100km/h for 3 or 4 minutes - kind of like riding a 2 stroke. This blows the cobwebs out and helps reduce carbon buildup. This was probably my problem - as I never really used to rev the engine much at all beyond 2200rpm.

BWAHAHAHA! All that economic pootling around at 90kph. No more grandpa driving for you my friend or you'll send Grover to an early grave. He needs an occasional spankin'.

[Scallops]

Yay!

Drive it like you stole it.:D

Yeah! I am having more fun with my newly adopted driving style! Thing is - you're only going to get to borrow it now - I'm not selling it - even to family! :p

PS - Kat reckons I've had a Stig awakening!

PPS - And Andrew - a spanking he shall get.

[Gav110]

Gives us all hope Scallops - great to hear mate. Can I ask - with your EGR issue did you get an actual fault code the dealer could pickup? I have the same symptoms but am in MEL on a trip and local dealer can't see an egr fault code so can't get authorization for LRA to replace it. Thx Gav

[Pedro_The_Swift]

can I come on the next
DILYSI trip??:cool::cool:


hmm there's already a white stig,,,:mad:

[dmdigital]

Scallops, scare yourself silly and get it over a 140kph:angel:

[povman]

Great to hear Scallops,
I will be writing the same thing one day....I love dreaming.....
No, seriously, awesome news mate, well done..

[inside]

And here I was thinking there would soon be a cheap Defender on the market. I hope this is the beginning of a better run of luck.

[The ho har's]

Scallops, scare yourself silly and get it over a 140kph:angel:

you obviously haven't been on a trip with scallops:o:D

he is a very cautious driver:D









as you previously said scare yourself silly and do 140kph:D:D:D

you will love it:angel:


Mrs hh:angel:

[JohnR]

Yeah! I am having more fun with my newly adopted driving style! Thing is - you're only going to get to borrow it now - I'm not selling it - even to family! :p

PS - Kat reckons I've had a Stig awakening!

PPS - And Andrew - a spanking he shall get.

:angel: I kept on telling you the engine will rev higher! I rearly change before 3k and It will rev over 4.5k! although, in saying that it has stopped pulling way before that, I have only gone there when trying to keep it moving in a tricky off road section. They do like to be spanked :p It will put a smile on his face :eek:

Good to hear Dan, now lets go find some tricky track to test you new rev range! :twisted:

Cheers,

[n plus one]

:angel: I kept on telling you the engine will rev higher! I rearly change before 3k and It will rev over 4.5k! although, in saying that it has stopped pulling way before that, I have only gone there when trying to keep it moving in a tricky off road section. They do like to be spanked :p It will put a smile on his face :eek:

Good to hear Dan, now lets go find some tricky track to test you new rev range! :twisted:

Cheers,

Good to here my driving style is now considered good for the engine - I often run mine above 4k chasing pesky petol Prados uphill :D

Can't wait 'til someone decides 4 wheel drift is good for the steering alignment...

[one_iota]

I'm so pleased that you have returned to the fold. :)

Go out and use that 90kw of gut wrenching, spine tingling, hair curling power. :p:D

And remember that it is doing you good.

[JohnR]

Good to here my driving style is now considered good for the engine - I often run mine above 4k chasing pesky petol Prados uphill :D

Can't wait 'til someone decides 4 wheel drift is good for the steering alignment...

I did a driver training day a while ago. I was supposed to be driving my Sprite around the skid pan but then I thought "lets see what the Puma can do!"

I managed two complete laps fully sideways all wheels spinning with the traction control going mad before it finally came up with a engine management light tell me to STOP IT!!

But heck it was fun!! :D (yes it was reving a little over 2200rpm :angel:)

By the way the light went away once all the brakes had cooled and I restarted the vehicle a few times.

Cheers,

[PAT303]

I believe that just pottering around at low revs is the second worse thing you can do to an engine after revving it at cold start-up.I give my Tdi an Italian tune quite often. Pat

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I managed two complete laps fully sideways all wheels spinning with the traction control going mad before it finally came up with a engine management light tell me to STOP IT!!
Cheers,

:rulez:VIDS!!!

[Scallops]

Appreciate everyone's well wishes, and I hear you all regarding driving it properly - read, rev it, give it some, spank it, drive it like I stole it etc! :D Will do, am doing - I know I should have listened earlier, but I've got the message now! :angel:

Gav - the engine management light did indeed log an error code which indicated it was a faulty EGR valve. When they went to replace it - they found it was coated in sooty carbon.

As I said - the difference now is just amazing - as is the new gearbox etc. I used to ride a 2 stroke bike - so the Puma is getting the same treatment; so my EGR valve will be as clean as a whistle from here on in. :BigThumb:

Always loved the truck - but now I've got confidence in him again. :)

[LR D4]

Scallops

Good to hear alls going well mate, once your warranty is up maybe have a think of going down this path of partial EGR blanking Defender2 - View topic - Stainless steel EGR blanking kits (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic3115.html) The POMS seem to be getting good results.....

LR09WA

[Scallops]

Scallops

Good to hear alls going well mate, once your warranty is up maybe have a think of go down this path of partial EGR blanking Defender2 - View topic - Stainless steel EGR blanking kits (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic3115.html) The POMS seem to be getting good results.....

LR09WA

Yeah - I was aware these were available - hadn't checked back on the topic for a time - I know they were having plenty of issues with the plate initially.

But I have 3 more years of warraty left - I bought another round! I'm hoping that my new found "inner Stig" will suffice, but if this issue happens again - I'll look into all other options. :)

[stig0000]

well, maby the tide is Turing for the puma, hope it stays good for you:D

at least your getting a good test drive of a 09-10 car, yours is pretty much that :wasntme:

[Scallops]

well, maby the tide is Turing for the puma, hope it stays good for you:D

at least your getting a good test drive of a 09-10 car, yours is pretty much that :wasntme:

Well that's right! I reckon that's a good thing! :D Let's face it - the windscreen, panels - are about the only original parts! (I've even had the rear seat changed to a 2010 version!!!!) :eek:

[Scouse]

But I have 3 more years of warraty left - I bought another round!


:D Let's face it - the windscreen, panels - are about the only original parts! (I've even had the rear seat changed to a 2010 version!!!!) :eek:Looking at what you've had done, you didn't need to buy the extra 3yr warranty.

Seeing as it's now a 2010MY, it would have warranty 'til 2013 ;).

[Gav110]

Scallops

Good to hear alls going well mate, once your warranty is up maybe have a think of going down this path of partial EGR blanking Defender2 - View topic - Stainless steel EGR blanking kits (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic3115.html) The POMS seem to be getting good results.....

LR09WA

I was just thinking the same thing. I had it removed on my TD5 along with fitting the bigger intercooler and 3" exhaust - combined with chipping, it put out close to 180KW at the flywheel!

This time around I wanted to stay as standard as possible, but depending on how I go with Sydney dealers addressing the EGR issue (they initially identified it as an issue and ordered the part but here in MEL where I am this week they wouldn't replace it as there was no visible fault code) I may just remove the EGR.

The rationale for EGR is apparently that by recirculating exhaust gases, it burns any unburnt fuel and also lowers particulates/emissions; but the rationale against is that it is effectively bathing the engine in carbon which gunks it up over time (hence why the EGR valves can cake in carbon).

What I will do is let LR decide - if they won't address it I will discuss my options with them.

Drove it again last night after I got it back from MLR - it revs cleanly and freely up to 1800/1900 rpm - but from there until 2500 on a light throttle - it feels constrained by something.

[scarry]

Thats good news,hope everything goes well....

The first Disco TD5 i bought was one of the first & was a lemon:(
Once the problems were eventually sorted(took 2yrs,& they only had a two year warranty in those days),there were no more problems.

Happy Defendering.

[TwoUp]

An annonymus person :angel: may have sent me this;

[jake]

G'day Everyone,

It has been mentioned about extended warranty for the 110, I was informed by the dealer when I purchased my new defender this month that the extended warranty is not avilalbe to defenders in Victoria. Can anyone shed some light on this please.

[Naks]

Well - that was the issue - my EGR valve was clogged up to the Bejezus with carbon

See this thread on Defender2.net: Defender2 - View topic - Service additives (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic3692.html). Apparently the UK stealers use an EGR cleaner during services - may be worth checking out?

Personally I stick a bottle of Wynns diesel cleaner in the spare tank every 5000km or so. It kills off any bacteria that may grow in the tank/lines, and that also cleans the injectors. I learnt about this product when I put a bottle in SWAMBO's Audi A3 TDi - it drank some bad diesel, was not well at all. She is now running better than when she was new :)

On a more regular basis, I add 200ml 2-stroke oil to every 2nd tank of diesel.

[Scouse]

It has been mentioned about extended warranty for the 110, I was informed by the dealer when I purchased my new defender this month that the extended warranty is not avilalbe to defenders in Victoria. Can anyone shed some light on this please.It's not just Victoria.
Apparently, the Defender does not qualify for the 'genuine' extended warranty due to it being classed as a commercial vehicle.

[Scallops]

It's not just Victoria.
Apparently, the Defender does not qualify for the 'genuine' extended warranty due to it being classed as a commercial vehicle.

According to MR and Southern Cross, the Allianze policy will cover everything the original warranty did. I'm hoping I won't need to find out! :D

[clean32]

Thanks Justin,

Would you also recommend doing as Austral say and driving it, say once per week for 5 minutes, on the freeway at 100-110 km/h in 4th or 5th to "de-carbon" the engine?

I'm revving it up to 3 grand on the change up from 3rd to 4th on most changes now - once the engine is warm.

uumm i would and i wouldn’t

Driving at high revs and low load will open the EGR valve fully, one respect this will increase the gas flow and possibly cleaning it or it may just put more junk in there.
Italian tune ups really work, yer good one.

Personally a 2mm plate cut the same as the tin gasket on the hot side of the egr valve will stop any gas flow and will not hinder the electrical operation of the valve. Its also hard to notice unless the egr valve is actually removed.

a well known problem with a well known illegal solution.

But then you should only be fitting a blocking plate for diagnostic reasons followed by a couple of days test driving in an attempt to see if it problem will replicate or not.

[clean32]

The rationale for EGR is apparently that by recirculating exhaust gases, it burns any unburnt fuel and also lowers particulates/emissions; but the rationale against is that it is effectively bathing the engine in carbon which gunks it up over time (hence why the EGR valves can cake in carbon).

What I will do is let LR decide - if they won't address it I will discuss my options with them.

Drove it again last night after I got it back from MLR - it revs cleanly and freely up to 1800/1900 rpm - but from there until 2500 on a light throttle - it feels constrained by something.

An EGR recirculation exhaust gases into the inlet manifold under light load or throttle positions. the rational is that by adding CO2 you are displacing oxygen thus riching up the mix, the less surplus oxygen in the combustion chamber the less NO is produced. Or to put another way the nitrogen in the air drawn into the motor passes though the combustion process with out being modified.

It has nothing to do with economy, fuel efficiency or power.

Full throttle it will be closed, low boost it will be closed, idle it will be closed. It will open on partial throttle or under light loads, IE tooling around town or on the motor way cruising at 110 and 1/2 throttle.

[Scallops]

First monthly update - Puma (still) going like a freight train - YEAH!!! :D :BigThumb:

[dullbird]

uumm i would and i wouldn’t

Driving at high revs and low load will open the EGR valve fully, one respect this will increase the gas flow and possibly cleaning it or it may just put more junk in there.
Italian tune ups really work, yer good one.


Personally a 2mm plate cut the same as the tin gasket on the hot side of the egr valve will stop any gas flow and will not hinder the electrical operation of the valve. Its also hard to notice unless the egr valve is actually removed.

a well known problem with a well known illegal solution.

But then you should only be fitting a blocking plate for diagnostic reasons followed by a couple of days test driving in an attempt to see if it problem will replicate or not.

unfotunatly if you block the EGR the garage will know as it brings on the engine light and logs a code that the EGR or the MAF has failed (can't remembre which one)...to avoid putting on the Light you have to drill I think its a 10 or 5mm hole in the plate to allow some gas to pass through over the MAF thus tricking the ECU into thinking that its still working....

Pete from B-A-S did a fair bit of testing in this area with a number of cars in the UK

[clean32]

unfotunatly if you block the EGR the garage will know as it brings on the engine light and logs a code that the EGR or the MAF has failed (can't remembre which one)...to avoid putting on the Light you have to drill I think its a 10 or 5mm hole in the plate to allow some gas to pass through over the MAF thus tricking the ECU into thinking that its still working....

Pete from B-A-S did a fair bit of testing in this area with a number of cars in the UK

aarrr yes, but, ( EGR fail code not Maf) this will come on if you push it on a cold motor. i think there is a temp senser in there and buy using a plate it retains enough heat to not log a problem.

but having said that, its all new to me so i will look further into it.

who is this pete a-b-s??

[Scallops]

aarrr yes, but, ( EGR fail code not Maf) this will come on if you push it on a cold motor. i think there is a temp senser in there and buy using a plate it retains enough heat to not log a problem.

but having said that, its all new to me so i will look further into it.

who is this pete a-b-s??

Dullbird is right, mate - you can't blank off the EGR on a Puma fully - a 10mm hole is the best the Poms are getting without issue....

Bell Auto Service original link - further search will reveal Robofarmer's 10mm plate as a minimum. ;)

Defender2 - View topic - Puma EGR blanking plate FREE :-) (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic358.html?highlight=egr)

[Naks]

Dullbird is right, mate - you can't blank off the EGR on a Puma fully - a 10mm hole is the best the Poms are getting without issue....

Hmmm, then again, how do you ensure that the air coming through that hole is clean? Would it not be safe/ideal to route a pipe from the blanking plate hole to to the air intake post-filter?

[clean32]

Dullbird is right, mate - you can't blank off the EGR on a Puma fully - a 10mm hole is the best the Poms are getting without issue....

Bell Auto Service original link - further search will reveal Robofarmer's 10mm plate as a minimum. ;)

Defender2 - View topic - Puma EGR blanking plate FREE :-) (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic358.html?highlight=egr)

any one got the pics from this site, im getting a 404

[Scallops]

any one got the pics from this site, im getting a 404

I think BAS has removed his pics. ;) I'm a forum member and I can't see them either. I guess LR don't like it, who knows??? :D But you can read the whole "going from 20 mm down to 10 mm" here.....

Defender2 - View topic - Stainless steel EGR blanking kits (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic3115.html?highlight=egr)

[Scallops]

Hmmm, then again, how do you ensure that the air coming through that hole is clean? Would it not be safe/ideal to route a pipe from the blanking plate hole to to the air intake post-filter?

:confused: It's as clean as it was before the plate was added! ;) It's just restricting flow. ;)

[Naks]

:confused: It's as clean as it was before the plate was added! ;) It's just restricting flow. ;)

Ah, so it doesn't involve removing the entire EGR assemby as one used to do on the Tdi and Td5 engines, which meant the one side of the blanking plate was exposed to the engine bay?

[Scallops]

Ah, so it doesn't involve removing the entire EGR assemby as one used to do on the Tdi and Td5 engines, which meant the one side of the blanking plate was exposed to the engine bay?

Correct. :)

[Naks]

Correct. :)

Damn, and here I was hoping to chuck out that POS and lighten my Fender :angel:

[clean32]

any one got a puma wireing diagram ?

[Naks]

any one got a puma wireing diagram ?

2.4TDCi_Workshop.iso (http://www.mediafire.com/?cyo3wnrqqrj)

[clean32]

2.4TDCi_Workshop.iso (http://www.mediafire.com/?cyo3wnrqqrj)

cool, i can get the wireing diagram and another "Free" russian wife at the same time

[Gav110]

Well here's my issue - I have a dud EGR (the 2nd) but the LR diagnostic equipment can't read a fault code for it (presumably because it's not severe enough to cause the engine check light come on), so they won't replace it.

I get a clear EGR fault code using Pete's BAS reader (note I have not actually flashed the ECU) - code P0404, but for some reason it doesn't show up on their system. The dealer freely admitted that their system is not always reliable for reading the codes, but LRA will only treat it as warranty if they can see a code.

Other than paying for a new EGR myself or blanking it, what other options are there?

If anyone has experience of doing the blanking let me know or PM me - keen to hear how effective it is. Right now I just have a tight, hesitant feeling on low throttle at around 2000RPM.

[Scallops]

1) Flog the engine when you drive it - rev it out to 3000 plus - see if that clears it out
2) Wait for engine light to come on - it will eventually
3) Buy new EGR valve yourself
4) Fit Rabofarmer's plate kit

I'm going to do option 4 when my new one stuffs up again - and it will - they are not modified parts.

[Gav110]

Thanks mate - I know you have some serious experience on your side...

1. done it - no difference. I also did the same with 2 loads of diesel engine cleaner which purported to help with EGR valves
2. see 1
3 & 4 - agree with you that it will only return so need to think more about that.

Thanks Gav

[Scallops]

Another month ticks by and the Puma is still going strong - this is a record for me! :twobeers: I'm really enjoying the old Grover boy now and am looking forward to getting back out camping with him (and Kat! :p)

Happy Days! (just don't mention S1 water pumps! :D)

[patclan]

An annonymus person :angel: may have sent me this;

How do you get up to 140k, I can't get over 135, it is a pain sometimes, it just hits the wall and I have to move out the way..

[DeeJay]

Someone remind me never to buy one of these :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Hey Mick,
Don't buy one of these...

[Scallops]

How do you get up to 140k, I can't get over 135, it is a pain sometimes, it just hits the wall and I have to move out the way..

I might (;)) have had mine up to 145 km/h in the NT - the engines really free up with some km under the belt.

[patclan]

I might (;)) have had mine up to 145 km/h in the NT - the engines really free up with some km under the belt.

I agree, I have had a few problems and still waiting on a new rear diff for the whine and a bit of a clunk but since I got over 35k a couple of weeks ago he has been driving great, been really pleased, even feels like the gear changes are smoother, not so when the other half drives it though!! but he is now nearly 10 months old and I am now feeling that my Puma is coming of age..

Still cant get over 135 though, think I have a limiter in mine.

[dmdigital]

You do :(

Also see if you can do 0-100kph in under 15 seconds.

[Scallops]

2 more months go by - and the Puma continues to impress, although a 2nd EGR valve were required since last update - a definite source of engine surge on/off throttle. ;) I'm into the "all work done by MR" phase of ownership now, which I'm sure will help, so I might just step out to 6 monthly updates from here - or at least when I can get the darned valve blanked off. :D

Go the Ford! :BigThumb:

[Taipan]

I might (;)) have had mine up to 145 km/h in the NT - the engines really free up with some km under the belt.

Yes also have to agree, My 2007 Puma had since Oct 07 (46,000kms) tops out at 143km/h on flat highway with BF Goodridge KM2 mud terrain tyres.

[stig0000]

crack the 158,,, very shacky 158 tho:o:o:D

[TwoUp]

That Puma was a lone vehicle that I posted earlier.

I just purchased a newy :D

So what? Well .... First drive is to Wee Waa in NSW from Townsville. 3 days travel and over 3 thou Km!!

Goes like a rocket!!


Doing the speed limit was good for economy.....I have never been in a Defender that accelerates uphill so well.

Disclaimer, I drove empty and the car is new.....

Regards,
PeterW


I edited the fuel data as the 2010 Ecel pasted as linier word style?
12.9Ltr Km worst and was recorded at speed.
10.7Ltr Km was at indicated spped limit, ( and a number of water crossings at Rollstone and from Balyando To Charters Towers)

[Gav110]

2 more months go by - and the Puma continues to impress, although a 2nd EGR valve were required since last update - a definite source of engine surge on/off throttle. ;) I'm into the "all work done by MR" phase of ownership now, which I'm sure will help, so I might just step out to 6 monthly updates from here - or at least when I can get the darned valve blanked off. :D

Go the Ford! :BigThumb:

Who's MR? Pardon the ignorance.

In my case I'm ecstatic with the vehicle but have given up on LR Australia. Although dealers have been great, LRA is in denial about some of my issues - but I have found inner peace by seeking my own solutions....

[Naks]

crack the 158,,, very shacky 158 tho:o:o:D

WOE anyone wants to drive that fast in a Defender is beyond me :angel:

[KarlB]

Who's MR? Pardon the ignorance.

In my case I'm ecstatic with the vehicle but have given up on LR Australia. Although dealers have been great, LRA is in denial about some of my issues - but I have found inner peace by seeking my own solutions....

We need some detail about your issues Gav. Especially problems and solutions.

I might add my D90 is bl**dy fantastic. Best Land Rover I have ever owned (it is the 6th).

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[Gav110]

Another time mate - too busy enjoying my life to get bogged down with LRA - just sad they only have 1% of the enthusiasm for their product that their customers and even most of the dealers do.

The 110 gets so much attention and enthusiasm from everyone else, it's unfathomable - even the dealers are incredulous at their attitude. Anyway as I say, I've moved on - just getting what I need done by my local LR specialists - Bruce Davis, Mulgo and Graeme Cooper - they get the vehicle and have a passion for it.

Busy building up a camping trailer using an old 109 body at moment - rushing to get ready for school hols. Will write up a discussion on it some other time. Happy motoring :)

[Gav110]

Another time mate - too busy enjoying my life to get bogged down with LRA - just sad they only have 1% of the enthusiasm for their product that their customers and even most of the dealers do.

The 110 gets so much attention and enthusiasm from everyone else, it's unfathomable - even the dealers are incredulous at their attitude. Anyway as I say, I've moved on - just getting what I need done by my local LR specialists - Bruce Davis, Mulgo and Graeme Cooper - they get the vehicle and have a passion for it.

Busy building up a camping trailer using an old 109 body at moment - rushing to get ready for school hols. Will write up a discussion on it some other time. Happy motoring :)

[spudboy]

Hi Gav - When you say "LRA" are you meaning Land Rover Australia, or Les Richmond Automotive (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/) (Les Richmond Automotive). I am hoping the former and not the latter... :o

[Gav110]

In my first post I said "LR Australia" - not Les Richmond - they are terrific. I have their White Tiger springs fitted (which I sourced through Graeme Cooper locally) - which are fantastic, and I have found their phone support fantastic.

[spudboy]

OK - sorry - I have just caught up on this thread and started at the latest post. Glad to hear :p

[Gav110]

NP - they're good guys. Have a great night mate. Gav

[Scallops]

Who's MR? Pardon the ignorance.

In my case I'm ecstatic with the vehicle but have given up on LR Australia. Although dealers have been great, LRA is in denial about some of my issues - but I have found inner peace by seeking my own solutions....

Bingo! MR are our Qld LR specialists. The dealers have an agenda which doesn't involve problem solving, in my experience. Now that Grove is in the hands of MR's mechanics (for the next 3 years under extended warranty), I'm quite confident it's all blue sky. :)