s3 engine into s1

[Landy Smurf]

ok i have to put my 2.25l petrol engine into my s1 project what do i need to know and change for this to work by the way i need to know tonight as it is happening tomorrow

[JDNSW]

Problems:-

1. Bell housing is different between the 2.25 and the IOE engines. Need a bell housing off a Series 2 gearbox. Series 3 bellhousing is not practical as it has a different clutch arrangement not suitable for direct operation. Need to use S2a clutch, not S3.
2. Engine mounts are different location.
3. Different exhaust.
4. Air cleaner to carbie off S3.
5. Throttle linkage will need some modification.
6. Fuel system a bit different - no electric pump (although you could use it!)
7 Space lengthways will be tight, but lots of people have done it, so it must fit. (but Rover added 2" to fit it)
8. Radiator - easiest is to use Series 3 radiator, but for looks (square tank) a S2/2a one would be better. Otherwise, custom hoses.
9. Changed wiring for alternator - not ideal running this through the ammeter but you can get away with it. Change of polarity will require swapping ammeter terminals.

I may have missed something.

John

[groucho]

The other problem is the L/H engine mounting R/H side will, with 80" engine mounts L/H side will need a spacer and longer bolts to fit.

[Landy Smurf]

just so you guys no this is just tempory i just need it in there to finish my project so i am not going to need heaps of stuff there like it doesnt have to be perfect i would like to be able to run the engine and maybe drive about 10 meters so now that you guys know this now what do i have to do oh did i mention its due in 3 days yeah that bit hurts

[groucho]

That's fine. Apart from welding a later series engine mount to the chassis.
Or making a spacer to fit the 80" mount it wont sit near enough. AS John sez
a 6 cyl bellhousing will have to be swapped to fit it in also..........

[Landy Smurf]

i have a s3 gbox in bits can this be useful at all?
i will only run it for maybe an hour
there wont be any panels on the front
the firewall will be on
the exhaust doesnt matter i can cut it if i have to
fuel isnt a big problem atm because i can just put some in the carby if i have to
air cleaner wont be an issue as i said this is only for a short time
i dont know if there will really be any wiring

[Landy Smurf]

does anyone have photos of these spacers

[groucho]

You will still have problems as the S/2 - 3 bell housings are hydraulic
clutch set ups and you need to swapp to the S1 manual clutch set up.
do able but requires the thinking cap.......

[Landy Smurf]

just so yous know i dont know much about this.but if i swap the clutch throw out on a s1 gbox with a s3 ct would that work i reely need this to work and unfortuantely my s1 engine has been away for 10 weeks and is not ready.

[groucho]

Wont Work Layshaft bearing is different

[Landy Smurf]

oh sugar honey ice tea.so i cant make the s3 engine a manual clutch either yes i am grasping at straws

[groucho]

Not with the clutch arrangement. BUT with a series 2 bellhousing and the thinking cap it's do able........

[Landy Smurf]

ok so who has a s2 bellhousing they would like to sell lease or lend me this w/e fingers crossed

[JDNSW]

You need a Series 2/2a bell housing - or a Series 1 diesel bell housing. The 2/2a clutch setup is hydraulic, but the slave cylinder turns a shaft that is the same as the Series 1 direct operation, where the Series 3 has a different setup altogether. Because of different location of the thrust bearing you need a Series 2a pressure plate.

I do have a suitable bell housing, but unfortunately it is nowhere near you. (and is still attached to a gearbox!)

John

[Landy Smurf]

thanks for all your help john

[Landy Smurf]

geez im a idiot who was just asking people if they needed parts off a s2

[JDNSW]

geez im a idiot who was just asking people if they needed parts off a s2

Yes, you were, weren't you!

John

[Landy Smurf]

dad is saying it is to much effort to get just wondering how hard will it be to get if there is no seat base or floors there so it has the gbox connected to the engine still and the firewall is there.how long roughly would this take

[Lostkiwi]

Hey Tony
Sounds interesting But can you tell us why? Seems like a lot of work just for a few days:eek:
But no dought you can do it:cool:

[Landy Smurf]

this is myy major project for my hsc and it is worth 60% of my final mark in auto

[Lostkiwi]

this is myy major project for my hsc and it is worth 60% of my final mark in auto

Well in that case it's a must do!:D Good luck, As I said before I'm shaw you can do:) Definitely beats the bench Vice I Had to make 20 years ago for mine!

[Landy Smurf]

thanks i know i can do it but the question is can i do it in the time.i also have a folio to do mine will be about 300 pages and all up with supported documents it will be about 700 thats quite big compared to the rest actually compared to ever

[Lostkiwi]

Hmmm ;)
you'd better start working 24/7 then:D

[Landy Smurf]

yeah i would be doing my folio but watching QNA has taken over that its reely good

[mildred]

thanks i know i can do it but the question is can i do it in the time.i also have a folio to do mine will be about 300 pages and all up with supported documents it will be about 700 thats quite big compared to the rest actually compared to ever

you are 3/4 of the way to writing a thesis on landies, maybe a first in Australia. Certainly for Singleton and the promised land!:D

[Lostkiwi]

:BigThumb:It will be worth it in the end! Theres not many people your age that have the get up and go to play around with old landrovers!
Beats playing with those cars that sound like they are Farting out of a tin can and playing oot's oot's music doesn't it?:Rolling:

[Landy Smurf]

thanks guys yes i agree with you there kiwi

[Landy Smurf]

well i have the bellhousing now what

[mildred]

i have a s3 gbox in bits can this be useful at all?
i will only run it for maybe an hour
there wont be any panels on the front
the firewall will be on
the exhaust doesnt matter i can cut it if i have to
fuel isnt a big problem atm because i can just put some in the carby if i have to
air cleaner wont be an issue as i said this is only for a short time
i dont know if there will really be any wiring

Tony,
I cant understand where you are really coming from?
You have spent many months repairing and restoring your Series one, rebuilt the gearbox and did an amazing job on the diffs in addition to painting the chassis, (new cross members etc) and it looks a wonderful job..

And NOW all this make do rush, for the school project?

Surly you would have adequately demonstrated you ability to persevere at a project and succeed in arriving at a goal?
I think that if you presented the rolling chassis and bulkhead and even pictures of the engine it would suffice for top marks.
You could then finish at your own pace and complete the restoration to you standards of perfection and not a last minute cock-up?
Just my thoughts mate!

[Landy Smurf]

yeah i did think of this but its not hard to undo.and who know when i will get the money for the other original engine this way i can do brakes and prop shafts and test them,i know it is hard to understand but it does make sense well kinda

[mildred]

yeah i did think of this but its not hard to undo.and who know when i will get the money for the other original engine this way i can do brakes and prop shafts and test them,i know it is hard to understand but it does make sense well kinda


Tony..........

OHhhh the pain :p

[Landy Smurf]

wel fairly bad news and if only my dad would have listened it would not have been as bad but oh well it is only my hsc and my project and my money it doesnt matter if he stuffs up

[mildred]

wel fairly bad news and if only my dad would have listened it would not have been as bad but oh well it is only my hsc and my project and my money it doesnt matter if he stuffs up

Tony ,
You are a team and you share the joy and the pain,
you stuff up together;)

[Landy Smurf]

it doesnt matter if i stuff up or he does though i cop the blame

[mildred]

it doesnt matter if i stuff up or he does though i cop the blame
so tell us what is the problem,
dont go into DOOM and GLOOM, share the pain ....
its a school project and your all consuming passion,
so share the PASSION
its up to You!:(

[Landy Smurf]

well i did the steering he wasnt happy with it and has undone it it was fine specially for my school project
he pulled apart my s1 gbox and replaced some of it with s2 gbox even tho i sed not to he did this so the gbox could go on the s3 engine but then the mounts were wrong so we couldnt mount the engine so we did all this for nothing and now we will have to go back later and fix the gbox and make it all s1
i cleaned the chassis aand lowered the gbox down where it had to go he wasnt happy so he lifted it and got oil all over my chassis
so pretty much we have gone bavkwards when were suppose to go forwards oh and he scratched paint off my firewall

[mildred]

well i did the steering he wasnt happy with it and has undone it it was fine specially for my school project
he pulled apart my s1 gbox and replaced some of it with s2 gbox even tho i sed not to he did this so the gbox could go on the s3 engine but then the mounts were wrong so we couldnt mount the engine so we did all this for nothing and now we will have to go back later and fix the gbox and make it all s1
i cleaned the chassis aand lowered the gbox down where it had to go he wasnt happy so he lifted it and got oil all over my chassis
so pretty much we have gone bavkwards when were suppose to go forwards oh and he scratched paint off my firewall
Tony,
I sympathise with you as do others.
Why did you Pop do all these modifications?
what is his reasoning?
Did you ask him why he wanted to do all these things?
Paint can be touched up and no one will know the difference, dont worry.
So what are you going to do now, and is the old gearbox going to be fitted regardless?
if cussing starts, go inside and close the shed up, dinners waiting and the fire is warm :BigThumb:

[Landy Smurf]

yes the gearbox is in dad just wont listen he thinks he is making things better n doing what is best for me well aha not the case at all

[mildred]

yes the gearbox is in dad just wont listen he thinks he is making things better n doing what is best for me well aha not the case at all

Tony,
get on the phone and talk to a friend .
Tomorrow is a new day.
talk to your best friend and enjoy the evening.
The land rover will still be there tomorrow and waiting just for you.....:eek: