Wanna Feature in 4WD Action ??????

[BMKal]

Just received this in a newsletter e-mail from 4WD Action if anyone's interested.

LAND LUBBERS!

4WD Action is currently searching the countryside in search of custom Land Rovers to feature in the glossy pages! If you drive a prime example of European machinery, whether it is a hardcore tough truck or a kitted-out touring rig, we want to see them!

With so many rumours flying around the office recently regarding whether or not Landies are tough enough to take on Oz, we want you guys to prove to all the unbelievers that Euro-built trucks are the cream of the crop! Send pictures to customs@4wdaction.com.au

[Wortho]

Yeah to a magazine thats just released it's latest off shoot mag Toyota Action, it's in with the latest copy.

[George130]

Yea the are so unbiased.
Thanks but no thanks.

[MickS]

With so many rumours flying around the office recently regarding whether or not Landies are tough enough to take on Oz, we want you guys to prove to all the unbelievers that Euro-built trucks are the cream of the crop!

Is he serious with that comment...? He can get ****ed. leave it to the other marques. Land rover doesn't have to prove a thing IMHO.

They should watch these...they won't even have to put down their lattes and leave the office..

Land Rover - Video

YouTube- Land Rover Defender in Iceland / Extreme Off Road Test Fifth GearYouTube- Land Rover Discovery history promotional video



YouTube- 20 Years of the Land Rover Discovery

[PAT303]

My defender has been all over Oz but it doesn't have kevlar tyres fitted by the kevlar tyre company or remote kenetic impossible to cross axle suspension fitted by the r-k-i-t-c-a-s shop so I doubt thier interested.I forgot to add I have an Engal so that could be an issue if waeco pays more for advertising. Pat

[isuzutoo-eh]

With so many rumours flying around the office recently regarding whether or not Landies are tough enough to take on Oz, we want you guys to prove to all the unbelievers that Euro-built trucks are the cream of the crop!


Bahaha, 'Are Landies tough enough to take on Oz' more like are toyotas and nissans tough enough to take on the roads that LAND ROVERS pioneered!

What a ridiculous way to try and get content about a marque the office jockeys clearly despise.

[twitchy]

Black night needs to send a Pic of Fozzie!!!!!!!!!![bigrolf]

[BMKal]

My defender has been all over Oz but it doesn't have kevlar tyres fitted by the kevlar tyre company or remote kenetic impossible to cross axle suspension fitted by the r-k-i-t-c-a-s shop so I doubt thier interested.I forgot to add I have an Engal so that could be an issue if waeco pays more for advertising. Pat

So I gather you wouldn't be interested in me inviting them to Kalgoorlie so that we can participate in a joint feature then Pat. :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Bugger ............... I've got an Engel too. :nazibanned:

[Rangier Rover]

Was going to put my 120" in a wile back but have refrained.:D Doesn't have a 5.7 Chev, 8" lift ,44" tyres, big arse winch, pearl paint job etc.;)

The 120' just goes to work up to 12 hrs a day and keeps on going.

Some of you guys have what it takes so go for it.;):D

[MickS]

That reminds me....must order another RM Williams longhorn sticker and a RumPig number plate :D

[Banjo_pluker]

the 75% of all defenders still on the road today says it all:D

the don't advertise the toyo or nissan, bet they are not as high a figures

[PAT303]

So I gather you wouldn't be interested in me inviting them to Kalgoorlie so that we can participate in a joint feature then Pat. :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Bugger ............... I've got an Engel too. :nazibanned:

You've seen my fender,dings and scraps aren't bling bling. Pat

[taff]

wow a fair bit of bitchyness.
i think you lot need to get over yourselves and stop feeling like the world owes you something. it's always the same people who for some unknown reason they they are better than others because they own a landrover, and the reason i spend less and less time on this site.
i personally don't usually buy the mag, but see it regulary and there is a fair amount of landrovers featured - especially considering how they are outnumbered in terms of ownership.
It's a 4wd mag and some of us are into 4wding so get over it - jealous ******!

[Slunnie]

Yep, I used to teach the editor. A really nice fellow and a he grew up in a Landy owning household.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Hi Taff, I don't suppose you saw the cheap shot/goading that BMKal's original quote contained? If the mag wants to feature Landies, then why do they come across with a depreciative agenda from the start?

[PAT303]

wow a fair bit of bitchyness.
i think you lot need to get over yourselves and stop feeling like the world owes you something. it's always the same people who for some unknown reason they they are better than others because they own a landrover, and the reason i spend less and less time on this site.
i personally don't usually buy the mag, but see it regulary and there is a fair amount of landrovers featured - especially considering how they are outnumbered in terms of ownership.
It's a 4wd mag and some of us are into 4wding so get over it - jealous ******!

Sorry to hurt your feelings taff but very few LR's are modded up like Jap vehicles because they don't need to,I don't think the world owes me a favour either,I've worked for everything I own.I'm not interested in going in the mag because I'm not interested in spending 80 grand on a vehicle and telling everyone how tough it is even though it needed another 20 grand replacing half of it.If you like my penis is bigger than your penis competitions go for it mate but most on here could not be bothered. Pat

[digger]

just a thought tho',


at least they are giving the opportunity to put stuff in.

I think there are very few defenders that are "tricked up" compared to other models but there was also the ask for vehicles fitted out for camping or specific jobs etc...

Id love to see a "then and now" article...
then (first landy 4wd, first toyota 4wd, first nissan 4wd etc)
and lets see
*- original prices
*-how many of each still about...
*-what accessories were avail (did toyota have a mower accessory!?)
*-other uses (exploring- ambulances -police - army -mining -fire etcetc)

and now...
current models etc and prices...

I dont know if Land Rovers would win but I think theyd be very very high in the scale and it would introduce some interesting other vehicles (the modified ones for purpose..)

last but not least...dont shoot the messenger... theyve asked -maybe with a bait attached to try and get people to respond- but they have asked..... so can we whinge when we dont put any in and then see no land rovers in the pages???


cheers
digger

[MickS]

wow a fair bit of bitchyness.
i think you lot need to get over yourselves and stop feeling like the world owes you something. it's always the same people who for some unknown reason they they are better than others because they own a landrover, and the reason i spend less and less time on this site.
i personally don't usually buy the mag, but see it regulary and there is a fair amount of landrovers featured - especially considering how they are outnumbered in terms of ownership.
It's a 4wd mag and some of us are into 4wding so get over it - jealous ******!

I'm not bitching, the world owes me nothing and I'm not a jealous *****. I'm no better or worse than the person standing next to me, nor do I feel superior because I drive a Land Rover. Actually, it's more unreliable than anything to come out of Japan I would wager, but it's what i like. It's just a ****ing car FFS. I've never bagged out a Nissan driver, a Toyota driver etc and never will. If what a person drives is what they want, no dramas. If your truck is a penis extension, there are operations that can help you. But statements like "With so many rumours flying around the office recently regarding whether or not Landies are tough enough to take on Oz, we want you guys to prove to all the unbelievers that Euro-built trucks are the cream of the crop!" it makes you realise what feeble minded people they are. Tongue in cheek or not.

I couldn't give a fig whether they put land rovers in it or not. I used to read the mag, but now it is just one big adfest with regurgitated articles and comparos.

[VladTepes]

I used to read the mag, but now it is just one big adfest with regurgitated articles and comparos.

Me too. And if possible, their videos are worse !

[Slunnie]

Jeez, now isn't this the serious thread! :D

[Pilbara130]

wow a fair bit of bitchyness.
i think you lot need to get over yourselves and stop feeling like the world owes you something. it's always the same people who for some unknown reason they they are better than others because they own a landrover, and the reason i spend less and less time on this site.
i personally don't usually buy the mag, but see it regulary and there is a fair amount of landrovers featured - especially considering how they are outnumbered in terms of ownership.
It's a 4wd mag and some of us are into 4wding so get over it - jealous ******!

Well said taff.As you im not into this **** just love 4WDing and Landys.

[HangOver]

I think whatever gets the landy brand out there and shows the toyo's what a mistake they made has got to be a good thing ;)
If my RRC was up to scratch I'd be giving them a call.

[Psimpson7]

Hi Taff, I don't suppose you saw the cheap shot/goading that BMKal's original quote contained? If the mag wants to feature Landies, then why do they come across with a depreciative agenda from the start?

And your office Jockey quote is any better, or MickS's comment about the staff being feeble minded.

I'm with Taff here. How many of you have actually met any of the guys who work for the magazine.

I have met a few and spent a week with them and they are actully pretty decent people, without chips on their shoulders as some of you would believe....

Maybe the mag is a bit biased, but at least a few of us are trying to increase the profile of LR's in the mags, rather than having a row on the internet, about how great there LR is compared to anything else.

I think they do a pretty decent job tbh. If you want a LR are the best mag, by one of the generic LR mags...

[KarlB]

Its not so much them being "feeble minded" that concerns me it is their sheer ignorance and incomptance, particularly when it comes to any thing with a Land Rover badge on it. Few staff articles are not just advertising for their advertisers. Roothy, love him or hate him, is the only breath of fresh air in the mag.

Cheers
KarlB

[isuzutoo-eh]

If the staff are baiting, then they better expect some comeback. My comments are not against any one on the forum or those who do wish to write for the mag, but against the manner in which the magazine's staff are trying to solicit articles.

The mags of the 80s and 90s (I used to read Bushdriver, Overlander, 4x4 Australia) weren't derogatory towards a single marque or brand, except when the reviewer had to be critical about negative points on a product/vehicle. 4x4 action seems continually derogatory in the way they have cheap shots at Rovers, and don't even try to get their information correct when reviewing the vehicles. The quality of the journalism just isn't up there.

Finally, I don't see why I would need to have met the staff to know how they write, maybe they are great blokes who all covet Landies. Great. That doesn't come across in the mag, and since I am reading said mag, thats how i'll judge that mag. Chip on the shoulder or not.

[Pilbara130]

Best mag on the market.Hang out for it each month and the vids are great.They always have somthing regarding LandRovers in them.Even the last vid had a Landy ute smashing through the river on the old Tele track 5th vehicle through.Some people just need to open there eyes a little.

[cheyne_r]

I read the mag, think its great (usually). Yes I own a landy and I love it, it gets me anywhere I need to go and many places I dont need to as well. It doesn't have a massive lift or huge wheels, and if it was up to scratch (read: actually turned off with the ignition, didn't have a few rust spots here and there) then I would put it in for sure to show people how capable a 25yr old truck with little mods can do.

I know people bag out Landies, so what. I hear landy people bagging out toyotas and nissans all the time. I go away with mates on the weekend, some have landies, some have toyo's, nissans, and some have some extremely capable subaru's. We all have a ball and just like getting out there and enjoying it and watching what the other cars can do. At the end of the day, who cares what you drive as long as your out there having fun.

I have met a few of the guys from the mag, and a mate of mine used to shoot for them. They are all great guys who just love 4wding. And yeah there are a lot of ads, but look at any mag and you'll see the same. A magazine is a buisness, and without the ads there wouldn't be a magazine.

There are a heap of awesome landies on here, why not put them in and show everyone what they can do instead of whinning on the net about a comment that was aimed at getting a response from you lot.

[100inch]

I had my (ex-) red 110TD5 in the mag, whilst traveling SA and VIC during 2005. But don t see the point doing a story about the 100" in 4WD Action at this moment. There are many other great magazines out there. The german OFFROAD did a similar mistake regarding the Land Rover brand long time ago....didn t work out well for them in the long haul. marc

[geckos]

Hey **** mag or not (i buy it and read it). they are just like any other 4wder, having a go at LR's. Hell I have a go at toyota drivers and nissans. and its all in good fun. not every 4x4 is perfect. defenders arent perfect, or they wouldnt leak, disco 3 and 4's arent perfect or they wouldnt have random electrical gremlins. LC 200 and the oil problem, 79 with the wider front track, and thats the ones they i hear 3rd hand, word of mouth. How many toyota farmer owners have gone to nissan since the intro of the V8 diesel. I know of only one but, im sure there is more. LC still have the leaf spring in the 21 century, nissan with a gutless 4.2 TD and problematic 3.0L. I was, for one race, a navi in a big nissan ute and the amount of work (around $15g) just to the engine and it only came out with 125rwkw. What the? I think i could do that with a VNT turbo, larger IC, remap and exhaust, and increased boost on a TD5, but i wouldnt race the car in something like OC or ironman challenge. the electric just might let it down......

This mag chip or not on the shoulder, it was just a bait to see if we (LR owners) will respond to get in the mag. Lets face it, we arent, like some have said, into penis extensions, but we have good 4x4'S, for camping and touring. LR owners arent into showing off our 4x4, and we arent the best selling 4x4 in the BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, AUSTRALIA. I say get into the mag, show the rest of the 4wd community they are good cars. Maybe more people will buy them, after all LR dosnt advertise well.

Who cares if your car isnt ready, mine wasnt and I did it. They just wont photograph that part. All i hope is someone sees my car and thinks, "I want one like that". They go buy one, becomes more popular, blah blah blah....

Hey and Roothy grew up in a LR family.


my 2 cents worth.

[BMKal]

Me too. And if possible, their videos are worse !

Have to disagree with you there Vlad. Actually their DVD's lately have been pretty bloody good - a massive improvement on what they used to be. They are really the only reason why I buy the mag these days. If I want to read decent articles about vehicle comparisons etc there are much better mags out there.

But I've found that, particularly over about the last 3 issues, there has been a huge jump in the quality of the DVD's - they've got very professional in how they put these together now. Haven't seen any articles on Landrovers yet in their new improved format, but that's only a matter of time and what I have seen has been far more interesting that anything else out there, including 4WDTV.

[one_iota]

Let's take the bait.

Hey what do we have to hide...our pride?

They are hardly going to publish a magazine that ostracises a segment of the 4wd community.

[MickS]

Jeez, now isn't this the serious thread! :D

Lovin' it!!! :Rolling::Rolling:

[MickS]

And your office Jockey quote is any better, or MickS's comment about the staff being feeble minded.

How many of you have actually met any of the guys who work for the magazine.

Maybe the mag is a bit biased, but at least a few of us are trying to increase the profile of LR's in the mags, rather than having a row on the internet, about how great there LR is compared to anything else.

I think they do a pretty decent job tbh. If you want a LR are the best mag, by one of the generic LR mags...

I have met them, and, I stand by my opinion. Yes, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. Go stand outside their office at Silverwater and see all their "locked and lifted" Nissans and Toyotas. :D

There is no "row"...opinions, yes, row no. Do people really think having an article and a few pics of Land Rovers in a generic 4WD magazine is going to raise the marques profile? I doubt it will. It ends up in a pile with all the other mags, or on a doctor's surgery table. If they want to raise the profile, write to LRA and tell them to up their advertising budget or get to more car shows etc :twisted:

It's like Holden vs Ford...you plumb for one or the other. Whether you are a dyed in the wool Landy/Nissan/Toyo/Lada Niva driver...I don't give a rat's arse. As long as you are out there using it for the purpose for which it was intended. All the other stuff is eyewash and comments such as those quoted by BM Kal from the magazine's staff in the original post do nothing to stop the brand bashing.

[cal415]

I think some of you must be a tad paranoid and reading to much into this. They asked for landy to feature,, so what, Not all the cars that appear in the mag have 10in lift and 44in tyres..... not all of them are stupidly modified, and not all of them are jap crap. Ive seen disco's and 110s in there with just mild mods (2-3in lift 32-33in tyres)

Some of us like to tinker with our trucks and have a bit of fun with them, some like to spend stupid ammounts of there trucks and take it to another level, so what, no need to have a go at them for doing what they enjoy, just because they choose not to drive a stock land rover doesnt mean anything, its there choice.

Once my county is done i will happily put in there if they want it,,, I have no problem with the magazine or there view on land rovers.

[Slunnie]

I think some of you must be a tad paranoid and reading to much into this. They asked for landy to feature,, so what, Not all the cars that appear in the mag have 10in lift and 44in tyres..... not all of them are stupidly modified, and not all of them are jap crap. Ive seen disco's and 110s in there with just mild mods (2-3in lift 32-33in tyres)

Some of us like to tinker with our trucks and have a bit of fun with them, some like to spend stupid ammounts of there trucks and take it to another level, so what, no need to have a go at them for doing what they enjoy, just because they choose not to drive a stock land rover doesnt mean anything, its there choice.

Once my county is done i will happily put in there if they want it,,, I have no problem with the magazine or there view on land rovers.
Same. The Disco 2 has been in Overlander and 4WDAction and I was happy to do it because people are/were interested and its a bit of fun to spend a day out with them. I was also pleased to have put together a vehicle that was of a good enough standard. Likewise I have a ute which they have expressed interest in writing about and I would be happy again because people are interested in it, its a fun day out and I get some really cool pics from the photographer.

There used to be whinging and bitching because the mags were only interested in Nissotas and then they increased the number of Landys in them. Now when they ask if anybody is up for cars in mags all they get in response is that I know my 4WD is the greatest and I don't need to prove anything because I use a cloth tape measure to size up my manliness and all magazines suck. Go figure. Hopefully the editors get some participants and some good article out for us all to read rather than finding a Jeep, a Lada or a Nissota instead.

[MickS]

Best mag on the market.

No mate...this is ... home (http://www.bestmagazine.co.uk/) :D

[Tombie]

Same. The Disco 2 has been in Overlander and 4WDAction and I was happy to do it because people are/were interested and its a bit of fun to spend a day out with them. I was also pleased to have put together a vehicle that was of a good enough standard.


Ditto your comments Slunnie...

The shoot with Michael Ellem for the D1 was great fun... And a good weekender trip.

The Defender was photographed after Blknights Dad had taken ownership and I believe he enjoyed it too..

Do I love having recognition for my effort - Damn right!!!!

[Pilbara130]

No mate...this is ... home (http://www.bestmagazine.co.uk/) :D
Classic...:D

[justinc]

If they ever come down here for a photo trip, I'll be in it. Have to clean up the interior a bit first, but happy to have them see the Rangie for what it was built for. Long trip Touring and capable off roading.

I'm not too photogenic though, so will make sure I remain scarce at shutter time....:o


Might just send them an email anyway:) Stooge, Timaus13, 2_door and a few others may be interested too???


JC

[Rangier Rover]

Just looking back through this, yes, I agree the mag and DVD's have improved immensely. As the attitude to other makes of 4X4's. They have to publish what the readers like so will always be a balance.

I may consider putting the 120" in yet. It just may look a bit rough compared to the much loved weekend warriors as is an every day work/touring truck. I cant keep it pristine:(

[George130]

Now when they ask if anybody is up for cars in mags all they get in response is that I know my 4WD is the greatest and I don't need to prove anything because I use a cloth tape measure to size up my manliness and all magazines suck.

Never said my rig was the greatest. There is always a better rig than what you think is the greatest. I switched off to them back in the last incident with them so I will admit I havn't seen the changes. Must be at least 2 years now since I bought or visited their site, maybe even longer.

[big guy]

This quickly turned to ****.
All that from a post to see if some of us wanted to send some pics for a magazine for some fun.
They are cars, its as simple as that. Not hearts or lungs or some other vital organs. Perhaps there is some truth in many posts here but it is a Landy site after all and some of us are possibly more enthusiastic than some.

I often take a bit of a swipe but seriously, its only ever in jest.
Lets just relax and if someone wants to send some pics in so be it.
Some of us have and quite rightly, its a bit of a thrill to see ones own rig in print, bit of an honour really.

Its not meant to be a life changing experience--Just fun.;)

[dullbird]

mine was a life changing experience:D....

Me life got worse :(.......:D

[zuno555]

C'mon people, we all know if you buy a LR in oz, you have to expect a good ribbing from the rest of the 4wd community - it comes with the badge!

Their "patronising" statement is nothing more that what we get from anywhere else. But who cares?

I think any exposure is good exposure - hell someone might get the mag and go, wow that looks pretty good and go get a LR, then they come on here, and we get a new forum member and someone to go on our forum trips! All good! :)

I love seeing LR's in the mag. Outcasts rangie was sweet on the DVD, and some of the discos and defs in the mag in the past have been great.

[Redback]

Boy, a lot of fuss over nothing really, I think it was only a question that required a yes or no answer:Thump:

Our Disco was in the mag (although we are still waiting for the free mag they promised us) so we haven't actually seen the artical, they asked nicely and we said yes, would I do it again, no, we have been asked on numerous occasions, but I'm not really interested, if you want to do it, then do it, if you don't then don't, easy really:bangin:

[Quarks]

Just looking back through this, yes, I agree the mag and DVD's have improved immensely. As the attitude to other makes of 4X4's. They have to publish what the readers like so will always be a balance.

I may consider putting the 120" in yet. It just may look a bit rough compared to the much loved weekend warriors as is an every day work/touring truck. I cant keep it pristine:(

From following your threads, I reckon your 120" is one of the finest examples of what Land Rovers are built for. :cool:
It works, because it has to. It's got a job to do, and keeps doing it.
If something isn't working right, it gets fixed. Preferably over-engineered :twisted:

:D

[VladTepes]

I wonder if hey want to do mine.. has wires hanging out all over the dash, is as muddy as all get out, is covered in dust on teh inside, had a leaky canopy on the back..

Just perfect for stereotypes !

[robbotd5]

If the staff are baiting, then they better expect some comeback. My comments are not against any one on the forum or those who do wish to write for the mag, but against the manner in which the magazine's staff are trying to solicit articles.

The mags of the 80s and 90s (I used to read Bushdriver, Overlander, 4x4 Australia) weren't derogatory towards a single marque or brand, except when the reviewer had to be critical about negative points on a product/vehicle. 4x4 action seems continually derogatory in the way they have cheap shots at Rovers, and don't even try to get their information correct when reviewing the vehicles. The quality of the journalism just isn't up there.

Finally, I don't see why I would need to have met the staff to know how they write, maybe they are great blokes who all covet Landies. Great. That doesn't come across in the mag, and since I am reading said mag, thats how i'll judge that mag. Chip on the shoulder or not.

Yes agreed. I've subscribed to 4wd monthly/action for a few years and their Toyota/Nissan bias sometimes sickens me. Their reviews on Land Rovers always begin with "oil leaks" or "poor reliability" Land Rover are pioneers, pioneers make mistakes because no one before them has done it. Like permanant 4x4, coil springs, ABS, Airbag suspension, SRS airbags, 4 wheel disc brakes, ACE, terain responce ect ect ect. It comes down to personal choice, but I would not drive a Toyota even if my Disco is P***ing me off at the moment. They have their issues too. Weak front diffs on a bordering on dangerous IFS, crap 5spd manuals, 4.2 TD's spitting crankshafts ect. Every car has issues.
Regards
Robbo

[robbotd5]

Hey **** mag or not (i buy it and read it). they are just like any other 4wder, having a go at LR's. Hell I have a go at toyota drivers and nissans. and its all in good fun. not every 4x4 is perfect. defenders arent perfect, or they wouldnt leak, disco 3 and 4's arent perfect or they wouldnt have random electrical gremlins. LC 200 and the oil problem, 79 with the wider front track, and thats the ones they i hear 3rd hand, word of mouth. How many toyota farmer owners have gone to nissan since the intro of the V8 diesel. I know of only one but, im sure there is more. LC still have the leaf spring in the 21 century, nissan with a gutless 4.2 TD and problematic 3.0L. I was, for one race, a navi in a big nissan ute and the amount of work (around $15g) just to the engine and it only came out with 125rwkw. What the? I think i could do that with a VNT turbo, larger IC, remap and exhaust, and increased boost on a TD5, but i wouldnt race the car in something like OC or ironman challenge. the electric just might let it down......

This mag chip or not on the shoulder, it was just a bait to see if we (LR owners) will respond to get in the mag. Lets face it, we arent, like some have said, into penis extensions, but we have good 4x4'S, for camping and touring. LR owners arent into showing off our 4x4, and we arent the best selling 4x4 in the BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, AUSTRALIA. I say get into the mag, show the rest of the 4wd community they are good cars. Maybe more people will buy them, after all LR dosnt advertise well.

Who cares if your car isnt ready, mine wasnt and I did it. They just wont photograph that part. All i hope is someone sees my car and thinks, "I want one like that". They go buy one, becomes more popular, blah blah blah....

Hey and Roothy grew up in a LR family.


my 2 cents worth.
That does not stop him bagging the s**t out of them.

[FenianEel]

Wow :eek:
I think it's great they're looking for green oval stuff.
We should encourage it.
They've done LR stuff before, and even Land Rover special issues.

Though they should credit AULRO where asked to, or when they source vehicles and info from here.

I think the Toyo/Nisso bias thing is getting less and less, and landies are getting more 'go' in the mag and videos.
There's plenty in this months, and two wicked Bush Rangie (Discos) in the video.
They've got staff that have LR's, had features on LR's and ads containing Landies a plenty now.

They're asking for stuff, we should give it to em with pride, and educate them, not whine and say and say they just love Toyos and Nissans. ;)

[hoadie72]

Our Disco was in the mag (although we are still waiting for the free mag they promised us) so we haven't actually seen the artical, they asked nicely and we said yes, would I do it again, no, we have been asked on numerous occasions, but I'm not really interested, if you want to do it, then do it, if you don't then don't, easy really:bangin:

Did they tell you which issue number?