New Gum Boots & Work Socks for D4

[Duck's Guts]

Stock 18" vs New 17"
(at standard on road height)

[Duck's Guts]

couple more....
:D

[DiscoSaffa]

NICE!!! :cool:

[Graeme]

Much more business-like!

My D4 is covered in mud atm (even some on the roof) so it will look good too until more rain washes it off.

[Duck's Guts]

May see some mud myself next week, but more likely find more snow to play in.
Family is going skiing & visit my brother who lives down Jindabyne.
I will find time to play on Nimmo Plain & out towards Mt Jagungal. This area is always good for snow & creek crossings this time of year.

[DiscoWeb]

Stock 18" vs New 17"
(at standard on road height)

"Tellem the Price Son"

Can you give some specific details about the set up.

Any issue with road noise ?

Do they rub anywhere ?

They look great, will probably look even better covered in mud and dirt !!

Regards,

George

[Disco4SE]

Stock 18" vs New 17"
(at standard on road height)
Bloody hell Ducks, looks unstoppable. Be interesting to know what the road noise is like

[Duck's Guts]

"Tellem the Price Son"
Can you give some specific details about the set up.
Any issue with road noise ?
Do they rub anywhere ?
They look great, will probably look even better covered in mud and dirt !!
Regards,
George


Bloody hell Ducks, looks unstoppable. Be interesting to know what the road noise is like

A few dramas were experienced along the way to the purchase of the rims. Details at this thread: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/110331-17-wheels-d4-2-7-a.html



In summary:

Rims are Performance Wheels BB6's in charcoal, 17x8, +42 offset, I purchased 5 rims from Triumph Rover Spares in Adelaide at $245 each + $120 freight delivered to my door. Total cost $1345.
Tyres are Maxxis Bighorn 255/65x17's, 114Q 8 ply (2 ply sidewalls), 15.9mm tread depth. $235ea x5 = $1175 fitted and balanced. I didn't need a wheel alignment. Note that these tyres have the same outside diameter dimensions of the factory 255/60x18's.
Both tyres & rims do not rub anywhere. But I have yet to flex-up the suspension, so time will tell, but I doubt that I will have thius problem.

With the change from factory 18's to 17's on a 2.7TDV6 D4, I thought the brake package was the closest component to offer interference to the rim. This is not correct, it is the long bolt in the ball joint. But the brakes are a close second!

Re road noise: YES. The increased level of road noise (compared to the Wrangler H/T's) is noticeable from about 55km/hr increasing steadily as speed increases. And particularly from 80 to 110km/hr. I expect that this will quieten down as the sharp corners wear off the tread blocks.
Advice to all: don't think that the superior sound insulation of the D4 will keep the noise out!
But I must say that I've already started to become oblivious to the increased road noise!

Oh yeah, now I've only had these fitted today, but have already noticed that alot of people now stare at the vehicle whilst parked in the street, at traffic lights, etc.. Even got the thumbs up from a Nissan patrol driver this afternoon!

Can't wait to get offroad!

[chuck]

Ducks

I was thinking of getting those wheels now that I have seen yours I am impressed.
My D3 is silver so I think they will look as good.
What size tyres ae they?

Regards

Chuck

[Graeme]

With the change from factory 18's to 17's on a 2.7TDV6 D4, I thought the brake package was the closest component to offer interference to the rim. This is not correct, it is the long bolt in the ball joint.
I'd better remove a front calliper and check if my BMW 17x7.5 rims clear the bolt!

[sniegy]

Very Nice Ducks.
Have you checked how far the speedo is out via GPS as of yet, I would take it with that size it would be very close to actual or 1-2k's out.

Cheers.

[ADMIRAL]

A few dramas were experienced along the way to the purchase of the rims. Details at this thread: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/110331-17-wheels-d4-2-7-a.html



In summary:

Rims are Performance Wheels BB6's in charcoal, 17x8, +42 offset, I purchased 5 rims from Triumph Rover Spares in Adelaide at $245 each + $120 freight delivered to my door. Total cost $1345.
Tyres are Maxxis Bighorn 255/65x17's, 114Q 8 ply (2 ply sidewalls), 15.9mm tread depth. $235ea x5 = $1175 fitted and balanced. I didn't need a wheel alignment. Note that these tyres have the same outside diameter dimensions of the factory 255/60x18's.

Both tyres & rims do not rub anywhere. But I have yet to flex-up the suspension, so time will tell, but I doubt that I will have thius problem.

With the change from factory 18's to 17's on a 2.7TDV6 D4, I thought the brake package was the closest component to offer interference to the rim. This is not correct, it is the long bolt in the ball joint. But the brakes are a close second!

Re road noise: YES. The increased level of road noise (compared to the Wrangler H/T's) is noticeable from about 55km/hr increasing steadily as speed increases. And particularly from 80 to 110km/hr. I expect that this will quieten down as the sharp corners wear off the tread blocks.
Advice to all: don't think that the superior sound insulation of the D4 will keep the noise out!
But I must say that I've already started to become oblivious to the increased road noise!

Oh yeah, now I've only had these fitted today, but have already noticed that alot of people now stare at the vehicle whilst parked in the street, at traffic lights, etc.. Even got the thumbs up from a Nissan patrol driver this afternoon!

Can't wait to get offroad!

.............the more aggressive treads will normally get noiser as the tread blocks wear and become uneven.

[Dirty3]

They look "Kick Arse"....very nice.

Now I know what they look like, the BB-6's would go well on mine.
Thanks for the post.;)

[oldsalt]

Hmmmmm.....something else to add to my "must have" list. They look great. :D

[DiscoWeb]

Oh yeah, now I've only had these fitted today, but have already noticed that alot of people now stare at the vehicle whilst parked in the street, at traffic lights, etc.. Even got the thumbs up from a Nissan patrol driver this afternoon!

Can't wait to get offroad!

Thanks for the details, much appreciated.

No wonder you are getting a few stares, they look great !!

Perhaps you should bring it out to Mt Walker (near Lithgow not far from singleton) on 11 September where a few from the forum are gathering for a day of fun and get it really dirty.

Regards,

George

[Duck's Guts]

What size tyres ae they?

LT255/65 x 17"

[Duck's Guts]

Very Nice Ducks.
Have you checked how far the speedo is out via GPS as of yet, I would take it with that size it would be very close to actual or 1-2k's out.

Cheers.

No I haven't. Factory sat nav no good for this, so will grab the Tomtom from my lovely wifes car (Happy 15th anniversery dear) and check tomorrow.

[Duck's Guts]

.............the more aggressive treads will normally get noiser as the tread blocks wear and become uneven.

Opps that's not good news.
First drive again this morning and I really do notice the tyre noise. But after 15kms at 100km/hr I long longer notice the noise.
The real test will be Saturday AM when the wife gets to experience it as we drive 7.5hrs to the snow...

[Duck's Guts]

Perhaps you should bring it out to Mt Walker (near Lithgow not far from singleton) on 11 September where a few from the forum are gathering for a day of fun and get it really dirty.


Thanks for the offer George. I immediately thought YES. Then checked the diary & I have a Town & Country Ball to attent that night, so unfortunately I can't make that weekend.

But please keep me in mind for future trips. I am often down your way (Mum lives at Rockdale, brother at Engadine).

[Piddler]

Opps that's not good news.
First drive again this morning and I really do notice the tyre noise. But after 15kms at 100km/hr I long longer notice the noise.
The real test will be Saturday AM when the wife gets to experience it as we drive 7.5hrs to the snow...

I just turn the music up the better grip is more than worth it

[Brick]

Duck's Guts,

Nooiice... :BigThumb:

A little off topic, but which rack do you have on the roof? I am looking for something at around that size that I might be able to throw a couple of spare wheels on for my country trips.

Thanks

[Disco4SE]

Another tyre that I have been looking at when I get my 18" rims is the Cooper Zeon LTZ. They seem to get a great write up.
Any opinions?
Cheers, Craig

[Duck's Guts]

which rack do you have on the roof? I am looking for something at around that size that I might be able to throw a couple of spare wheels on for my country trips.

It's a Blackwidow alloy rack. Uses Rhino hardware (track & legs). Full mesh floor. 1800 x 1265mm. Weighs only ~26kg.

Website with recommended retail $'s is at Aluminium Roof Racks (http://www.blackwidow4wdstorage.com/RoofRacks_flip/roofracks.htm)

But, it throws up more wind noise than the muddies. I'm investigating what I can do to reduce this noise...some deflectors perhaps...

[ozscott]

Mate! I love it. It looks infinitely better than stock and much more practical. Its a pity you cant get the Maxis in the 3 ply sidewall for that size ...that may come though. I think it looks like a proper 4wd now. Funnily enough it looks dressier too.

I reckon if your spending 70-80 large on a D4 you might as well throw the dough at it and get this set up if you are doing a fair bit of off road work.

Cheers

[connock]

Maaate, Love it , is on my wish list. its funny how your ears dont work when it looks and performs so well !

[Duck's Guts]

Thanks all for your kind words.

I'm still happy with the new rims & tyres.
The Bighorns are fine onroad. The noise is acceptable from my point of view.

But I've gotta do something about the roof rack noise. It's shocking when sitting at 110~120 down the freeway for 7+hrs! I could live with it at a push, but I'm sure I could do something with deflectors on the leading edge & cut some of the noise down.

[trobbo]

good work DG. :thumbsup:

did you consider any other tyres such as the bfg km2

[Disco4SE]

Hi all, still no response on the Cooper LTZ's.
Check out this link DISCO4.COM - View topic - Cooper Zeon LTZ 18"s Mounted! (http://www.disco4.com/forum/topic41690.html).
Cheers, Craig

[chuck]

Craig

There are a couple of threads on these tyres just search for Cooper LTZ's
I was thinking of these however am now leaning toward BFG AT's in 265 x 65 x 18.

I also think people are pretty careful about expressing their opinion regarding Cooper Tyres on a public forum.

Regards

Chuck

[Disco4SE]

Craig

There are a couple of threads on these tyres just search for Cooper LTZ's
I was thinking of these however am now leaning toward BFG AT's in 265 x 65 x 18.

I also think people are pretty careful about expressing their opinion regarding Cooper Tyres on a public forum.

Regards

Chuck
Hi Chuck, not sure what you mean about the Coopers. I can only go on past experience by saying that I had a bad run with the BFG's on a Rangie once and would never buy them again. Yet I have heard others say that they are a great tyre????
If / when I get the Coopers, I'll let you know how they go.
Cheers, Craig

[Blue C]

Hi Craig
I had a look at the Cooper LTZ's recently when at my Tyre Centre. They look good and have an impressive load rating of 120S. Although not technically LT construction that load rating would certainly be good for offroad heavy load carrying. As an all rounder I think they would be much quieter than my Cooper STT's (on 17 inch rims). I might have considered them if I had a set of 18 inch rims but my 2009 'run out' D3 came with 19 inch rims.
I have no concerns about Cooper tyres per se. I think the brand is less important- I have always used LT construction for remote area travel with full load /towing and have seen various brands including Coopers suffer multiple punctures / tyre failures with passenger construction. I just happen to have Cooper LT tyres and they work well for me.

[Duck's Guts]

Very Nice Ducks.
Have you checked how far the speedo is out via GPS as of yet, I would take it with that size it would be very close to actual or 1-2k's out.

Sorry for delayed response. New wheels & tyres still result in a significant error.
GPS vs Speedo km/hr is as follows:
40 - 43
50 - 54
60 - 65
70 - 75
80 - 85
90 - 95
100 - 105
110 - 116


good work DG. :thumbsup:
did you consider any other tyres such as the bfg km2
Yes but to maintain legal diameter etc they were only available in 245/70x17.
Also considered Cooper STT 245/70x17, Bridgestone D694 265/65x17, BFG AT 265/65x17, & Maxxis AT-771/700 Bravo 265/65x17.

[ozscott]

Hi Craig
I had a look at the Cooper LTZ's recently when at my Tyre Centre. They look good and have an impressive load rating of 120S. Although not technically LT construction that load rating would certainly be good for offroad heavy load carrying. As an all rounder I think they would be much quieter than my Cooper STT's (on 17 inch rims). I might have considered them if I had a set of 18 inch rims but my 2009 'run out' D3 came with 19 inch rims.
I have no concerns about Cooper tyres per se. I think the brand is less important- I have always used LT construction for remote area travel with full load /towing and have seen various brands including Coopers suffer multiple punctures / tyre failures with passenger construction. I just happen to have Cooper LT tyres and they work well for me.

Mate I can only given you my experience (and I dont touch coppers because I know a number of people who have had dramas) with high load ratings on passenger carcass tyres. I had Pirelli Scorpion AT's that had a high load rating and were said to be an LT because for their size they fell into the range of load rating normally covered by LT designation - put on my Disco 2 In a slightly smaller size I had the same tyre but in an LT put on my Disco 1 at about the same time. The D2 squirmed a lot towing 2 tonns and the D1 didnt - irrespective of what pressure i ran the D2 at and you are very limited with a passenger tyre as to the max pressure. I got sick of the P's on the D2 - great on sand but no good towing. I got rid of them on the D2 and stuck on Maxxis Bravo 751 AT's in an LT - the load rating is higher again and the max pressure is insane (80psi plus from memory) and they simply do not squirm when towing. They handle better than the pirelli too. The sidewalls are 3 ply on the Maxxis LT.

Cheers

PS. Ie if you want to tow heavy and safely you cannot beat a true LT (that has LT on the sidewall)

[Graeme]

Also considered ... Bridgestone D694 265/65x17...
What were your reasons for discounting these - tread pattern? carcase? width? ??

[Duck's Guts]

What were your reasons for discounting these - tread pattern? carcase? width? ??

Cost.

Everything else about the D694 is terrific. Obviously it is an AT thread pattern and not the M/T I ended up with.
But the cost/value relationship IMO was more in favour of the other brands.

[Graeme]

Thanks Duck's Guts.
They're on my short list in LT255/65-17 or LT265/65-17 as an only set of tyres when I do the conversion from 19".

[kingo]

Hi there. For me 3rd 4wd and 3rd set of Coopers in the past 7 yrs, lots of off road and 2 flats in almost 200000ks, one a broken piece of rusty screw driver on the way up Cape York, the other, still heading up the Cape a mate clipped a rock bank exiting a river crossing and jambed rock between the rim, which deflated the tyre. Easy fix that night at the camp and reinflated the tyre. Have a set of STC's on my D3 and still have the set of ST's on my D2 for the past 4 yrs. No arguements from me. When buying the tyres for the D3 6months ago, did lots of research, but seemed pointed back to the Coopers.

The STC's have been great, LT construction and 10 ply, seem pretty solid to me.

Happy shopping

Andrew

[ozscott]

...

The STC's have been great, LT construction and 10 ply, seem pretty solid to me.

Happy shopping

Andrew

Good to hear. I am not doubting you but I know plenty of people who have not had such a good run with them with chipping and worse.

The 10 ply would be the tread and sidewalls are only 2 I think, possibly 3 ply - I just add that because some people who read this thread might not realise the difference between wall ply and tread area ply rating. From memory the Maxxis in the higher sizes are 10 ply tread.

Cheers

[SMK]

I have just picked up a set of Maxxi Bighorns 245/70/17 LT on MAK 17x7.5 (italian) rims. The Maxxis are 10ply tread, 3ply sidewall and yes have some insane max pressure of 80 psi stamped on the sidewall. The MAK rims are boost II's from their commercial range and fit on the 2.7 D4 well. Load rating is 1125kg and ET is 40mm. Not yet on the car but I will post picks and update on how they drive after I get back from the Flinders in early October.

[Duck's Guts]

Good to hear. I am not doubting you but I know plenty of people who have not had such a good run with them with chipping and worse.
The 10 ply would be the tread and sidewalls are only 2 I think, possibly 3 ply - I just add that because some people who read this thread might not realise the difference between wall ply and tread area ply rating. From memory the Maxxis in the higher sizes are 10 ply tread.
Cheers

I've had a faultless run with Cooper ST's on a Prado & GU. No chipping or block cracking or puncture issues, & good mileage & towing. Great tyre. Just thought I'd give the Maxxis brand a go to assess cost vs value.

And yeap, Maxxis seems to provide most sizes in LT with either 10ply with 3ply walls or 8ply with 2ply walls.

[Graeme]

I have just picked up a set of Maxxi Bighorns 245/70/17 LT on MAK 17x7.5 (italian) rims. The Maxxis are 10ply tread, 3ply sidewall and yes have some insane max pressure of 80 psi stamped on the sidewall. The MAK rims are boost II's from their commercial range and fit on the 2.7 D4 well. Load rating is 1125kg and ET is 40mm. Not yet on the car but I will post picks and update on how they drive after I get back from the Flinders in early October.
How are these going?

[d3viate]

ozscott, Ill back you up there
Mate I can only given you my experience (and I dont touch coppers because I know a number of people who have had dramas)
I had a copper girlfriend living with me for a couple of years and she ended up giving me dramas , had to ask her to leave !

[SMK]

Graeme,

Very impressed with the Maxxis, the traction on loose rock and shale at pressures below 30psi is very good. We spent 5 days at Warraweena station in the Flinders recently and gave them a serious work-out. No chipping of tread blocks at all. We did the Mt Gill track which after the rain was very washed out and extremelly technical in places. Anybody wanting a challenge should try this - friends with us have done Skytrek several times said this was much more diifficult. The D4 is awesome, no loss of traction, no bumps or scrapes. We had an interesting mix of vehicles which all did it in their own way, some required a bit more effort than others. Others there were a highly modified 4.2 Patrol tray back running MT ATZ 4 ribs and a modified 80 series with Cooper ATR, nobody had any issues and it goes to show how the right tyre pressure and picking the right line goes a long way to making life easy. Will post some photos of Mt Gill shortly.