General Grabber AT2 19"

[Disco4SE]

Hi all,
I have been following up with a release of a GG At2 in a 19", after reading a forum on the LR UK website.
Hear is my response from General Tyres.

Dear Craig,
Thank you for your interest in our range of General Grabber tyres. There are currently no plans to do a 19” in the AT2, we do have 255/50R19 in the UHP.


Regards,

Scott Beaven
Sales Manager
Dynamic Tyres
30 Laser Dve
Rowville, Vic 3178
Ph: (03) 9763 6300 Fax : (03) 9763 4200
sales@dynamictyres.com.au (sales@dynamictyres.com.au)
www.dynamictyres.com.au (http://www.dynamictyres.com.au)

Cheers, Craig

[sniegy]

Craig,
That is nearly an identical reply i got close to 12mnths ago.
There is another thread on here somewhere, earlier this year at a show some of the NSW members went to the same convesation came up.

I did the same thing & emailed in anticipation as there were reports of the 19" tyres coming then.:(

Back to lookin at 17"s & ATZ's i think....;)

[Disco4SE]

If only one of the tyre companies out there would produce a decent 19" AT tyre instead of having to choose between a mud tyre or road tyre, I'm sure they would create alot of sales.

[rmp]

That's the official response. Same for the other manufacturers.

However....there may be some light on the horizon all of a sudden. But don't wait for it. Also consider the likely cost of 5 x 19" tyres vs 5 x 17" tyres + 5 x 17" rims.

[sniegy]

Rob,
Been doing that for the last months or 2, Getting quotes on rims/tyres etc for my baby.
I have the 17" rims x 4 & awaiting 2 more to come.
I have a cost of the tyres ATZ's by Mickey Thompson are likely going to be fitted.

Lets see...
I am only guessing at conversion rates at the moment but using the 2:1 as a guesstimate.
rims from the UK 150pound approx. $300 (for 4)
shipping to Aus (a nightmare mind you) $350pound approx. $700
ATZ ($390ea) $1560 (265/70/17LT 4 Rib version)
http://www.mickeythompsontires.com.au/index.php?page=ATZ-4-rib

So all up about $2560 for 4 rims & tyres.

Now..

4 new tyres for 19" rims @ $600ea...theres $2400 to start with & they are just the GY Wranglers.

Admittantly prices will vary from place to place, but just a rough idea.

Cheers.

[rmp]

Yep the maths is interesting.

Conversion rates -> XE - The World's Favorite Currency and Foreign Exchange Site (http://www.xe.com/)

The way I'd look at it:

19" tyre x 5 x $600 = $3000

17" AT2 x 5 x $275 = $1375
+
17" BB-6 x 5 x $300 = $1500
= $2875

can't remember the BB-6 price to be honest. Also, if people choose to sell their 19" rims and tyres then that goes into the equation too.

Also, if you stake a tyre or damage a sidewall then a $600 tyre is crying time. I just put the tiniest little stakelet through the sidewall of one of mine weekend before last but I wrote it off regardless, just real happy it was a relatively cheap tyre. I still have it for repair practice. It was an inside sidewall as well for a change. Ah well, cost of doing business.

As for a lot of sales of 19" tyres? Nope, the D4 offroading numbers are very small compared to what the tyre boys deal with, eg the volume sellers that fit Pajero/Prado or even the 200 Series 285/17. What they'll do is bring in a boatload and charge silly money for them, and everyone has to pay because there'll be no alternative all-terrain in say 255/55/19.

[dmdigital]

Pete, might be cheaper to get the rims shipped individually. The don't weigh that much each but at the dimensions of a rim it starts to cost what they term cubic meterage. Therefore a single rim may come as parcel post but 2 or more may be equivalent to shipping the equivalent of a 50kgs or more and have to come freight.

[roamer]

I bought Pirelli scorpion ATR s for $455.00 each (255\55\19)

Cheers Ken

[ADMIRAL]

Rob,
Been doing that for the last months or 2, Getting quotes on rims/tyres etc for my baby.
I have the 17" rims x 4 & awaiting 2 more to come.
I have a cost of the tyres ATZ's by Mickey Thompson are likely going to be fitted.

Lets see...
I am only guessing at conversion rates at the moment but using the 2:1 as a guesstimate.
rims from the UK 150pound approx. $300 (for 4)
shipping to Aus (a nightmare mind you) $350pound approx. $700
ATZ ($390ea) $1560 (265/70/17LT 4 Rib version)
Mickey Thompson Tires - ATZ 4-rib (http://www.mickeythompsontires.com.au/index.php?page=ATZ-4-rib)

So all up about $2560 for 4 rims & tyres.

Now..

4 new tyres for 19" rims @ $600ea...theres $2400 to start with & they are just the GY Wranglers.

Admittantly prices will vary from place to place, but just a rough idea.

Cheers.

Hi Pete, What rim are you looking at, the OE D3 rim ? Regards Neil

[Disco4SE]

It's ok to compare the 19" option with the 17" option, but if you have the D4 3.0, there is no option.
I did manage to find this tyre Test reports for 4x4 tyres Vredestein - Wintrac 4 xtreme (http://www.tyretest.com/4x4_reifen/vredestein/wintrac_4_xtreme/index.html)
Gets a really good write up. I am going to see if it is available in Australia.
Keep you posted.
Craig

[gghaggis]

It's ok to compare the 19" option with the 17" option, but if you have the D4 3.0, there is no option.
I did manage to find this tyre Test reports for 4x4 tyres Vredestein - Wintrac 4 xtreme (http://www.tyretest.com/4x4_reifen/vredestein/wintrac_4_xtreme/index.html)
Gets a really good write up. I am going to see if it is available in Australia.
Keep you posted.
Craig

Mm - tried this 4 months ago, so it might have changed but at that stage, there was only one dealer in Australia, and he only imported the vintage/classic tyres. :(

There is also the issue of climate. The Wintrac is a silica winter tyre. There are raging debates on European blogs of whether it is safe to run in summer. I got the feeling that a desert track in Australia wasn't going to be the place to run these.

Sigh - the 275/55R19 would have been a nice size too.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Disco4SE]

Gordon, I tried Vintage tyres and their next shipment is not until the end of the year.
I sent an email to my LR contact to check if it is possible to get a set or two on his next shipment. Haven't heard back as yet.
So, do you think they may not be any good?
Cheers, Craig

[gghaggis]

Gordon, I tried Vintage tyres and their next shipment is not until the end of the year.
I sent an email to my LR contact to check if it is possible to get a set or two on his next shipment. Haven't heard back as yet.
So, do you think they may not be any good?
Cheers, Craig

I honestly don't know - they grip well in slippery conditions (using a hydrophillic silica compound), but they're specifically designed for 10deg C and lower. Blowouts after hot running may be an issue. And of course, they're not an AT or MT tyre, so I don't really see the advantage over a Pirelli ATR or a Goodyear MTR, which are available here.

The 275/55R19 size is a little more common in Europe due to Mercedes and BMW, such as the Michellin Diarimis or Pirelli Scorpion. They might be a better bet if you _really_ want a tyre in that size.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Disco4SE]

Looks like the Pirelli may be the choice until a tyre manufacturer comes up with something better.

[Disco4SE]

Hey, check this out. The new Grabber AT General Tire Drives Grabber AT Into European Market (http://www.tyrepress.com/News/1/20/20509.html)
Not sure whether it is any more aggresive than the Pirelli ATR, however the side lugs look better.
Cheers, Craig

[rmp]

That's the AT2 replacement. Which may well end up in a 19" size.

That's my speculation/guesswork, not confirmed fact I should add.

[sniegy]

Hi Pete, What rim are you looking at, the OE D3 rim ? Regards Neil
Hi Neil,
Yes thats them. The OEM 17" rims. I have 4 & would like 2 more for travelling, Just one for now would be good just to run the 17's with ATZ's for now for the slightly more challenging trips.
Cheers.;)

[rmp]

I just take 5 rims and 6 tyres when on extended trips. So far, I've yet to kill a quality alloy rim so the chances of killing two on a trip are small. But as for tyres...well those are easily killable :-( but happily not too much effort to swap from rim to rim.

[adonuff]

Hi
Its a shame you cant get the General Grabber AT2 in a 19 inch, I have just fitted them to my 18 inch alloy rims on my Discovery 2 tried them out today in the wombat state forest and was very impressed, really good in the mud, almost as good on rocky stuff and quiet on the bitumen.

This was in fairly wet conditions and all done with on road tyre pressure. If they last as long as they are supposed to I will be very happy despite the price!

[ADMIRAL]

Hi Neil,
Yes thats them. The OEM 17" rims. I have 4 & would like 2 more for travelling, Just one for now would be good just to run the 17's with ATZ's for now for the slightly more challenging trips.
Cheers.;)

They are scarce as hens teeth. A few around at wrecking yards, but they have totally unrealistic prices on them. I think the BBS may be a more reasonable way to go.

[Leo]

The new General Grabber AT (not AT2) will be available in 255/55/19 and 255/50/19 in a few weeks time (in the UK, at least). It looks good, but don't have details about its construction or price.

Untitled 1 (http://www.ajstyres.co.uk/the_new_general_AT/Pages/1.html)

[Snapper]

I was told by the tyre dealer last week that I is illegal in QLD to down size from the OEM rims.

Is this true? Does this mean that I am stuck with 18"?


Breen.

[CaverD3]

Not the case I would think. He may be talking about the outside diameter of the tyre though. Even then I think you can go smaller but there is a limit in mm.

[Graeme]

I don't know about Qld, but in NSW its legal to fit any rim diameter that's listed on the placard.

[Snapper]

Thank you.

[Disco4SE]

Hi all,
Looks like the General Grabber AT will be available in the UK at the end of this month. It is not the AT2, but a whole new tyre. Looks great to me.
I have a Melbourne based dealer chasing availability in Australia.
Keep you posted. In the meantime, you can check on progress on this link DISCO4.COM - View topic - ******The NEW 255/55x19 General AT****** (http://www.disco4.com/forum/topic55225-15.html)
Cheers, Craig

[mickyd24969]

Still no "light truck" construction?

Are there any LT construction 19" tyres?

[CaverD3]

Will any of the 18 inch LTs fit the D3?

[Graeme]

There is at least the BFG-AT in LT265-65-18 & a few in LT275-65-18, not that they fit too well.

[CaverD3]

I was wondering about the sizes in the new GG. Some of the 18s are LT.

[gghaggis]

I was wondering about the sizes in the new GG. Some of the 18s are LT.

The LT265/65R18 will fit (just).

Cheers,

Gordon

[Disco4SE]

The LT265/65R18 will fit (just).

Cheers,

Gordon
Hey Gordon, Have you heard any news on the Conti 19", other than what I metioned in a recent post?
Cheers, Craig

[gghaggis]

There was a lot of back-flipping on the 19" Conti AT's some months ago - "yes they would be available", "they might be available", "no they're not going to be available". So I'd be skeptical about any claims unless they come from the distributor.

Let's hope though ...............

Cheers,

Gordon

[Disco4SE]

Hi Gordon, Lets hope that one of the tyre companies get an act before too long.
I have only done 28K on the originals, but no doubt, by the time I can get a decent replacement, they would have worn out.
Cheers, Craig

[mervwho]

With all the problems in relation to the availability of quality all terrains/mud tyres in 19" would it not be a better/wiser idea to go up a size to 20's particularly now that Cooper has come to the party. Or does a problem arise because of the low profile and easier damage to the rim.

[rmp]

With all the problems in relation to the availability of quality all terrains/mud tyres in 19" would it not be a better/wiser idea to go up a size to 20's particularly now that Cooper has come to the party. Or does a problem arise because of the low profile and easier damage to the rim.

Merv, welcome to the forum!

The relative merits of 19" rims are the most extensively discussed topic on this forum. Please search this forum for the details, and if you're still not clear on the pros and cons after all that feel free to extend one of the existing threads.

[PCH]

Hi Folks,

After talking to the Ausrtalian Conti Marketing Manager today I can give you all some good news.

The new General Grabber AT (255/55/19) the same tyre that our UK Disco 4 brothers are enjoying will be available here from around second quarter 2011.

The RRP will be $350 ea.

Chris

[Disco4SE]

Hi Folks,

After talking to the Ausrtalian Conti Marketing Manager today I can give you all some good news.

The new General Grabber AT (255/55/19) the same tyre that our UK Disco 4 brothers are enjoying will be available here from around second quarter 2011.

The RRP will be $350 ea.

Chris
That's a good price Chris, given that all other 19" rubber is much dearer.
Really good tyre from the UK site feedback.
Cheers, Craig

[640Newton]

I sure hope this is correct as (1) I wasn't looking forward to the day my MTR's wear out, and (2) with 8 rims to boot (5 for the car and 3 for the camper trailer) I can't afford to upsize them all to 20".

[disco4now]

I have been following the tyre threads ever since I got the D4 January 2010 and have gone from nearly signing up for 18" rims, to investigating importing the General Grabber AT (255/55/19) after reading reports and brochure on UK forum to getting the Pirelli AT. Time was on my side as first off road is to the Cape in July. Today I rang Spinning Wheel Tyres who now say the General Grabber AT (255/55/19) shows on their list. Then rang my local JaxTyres and they put me on hold and rang Continental, say they are on the boat and are about 1 month away at $279 fitted. He put six on back order for me, looks hopeful, so if you can wait a month could be worth it.

Regards
Gerry
[bigsmile]

[Celtoid]

I have been following the tyre threads ever since I got the D4 January 2010 and have gone from nearly signing up for 18" rims, to investigating importing the General Grabber AT (255/55/19) after reading reports and brochure on UK forum to getting the Pirelli AT. Time was on my side as first off road is to the Cape in July. Today I rang Spinning Wheel Tyres who now say the General Grabber AT (255/55/19) shows on their list. Then rang my local JaxTyres and they put me on hold and rang Continental, say they are on the boat and are about 1 month away at $279 fitted. He put six on back order for me, looks hopeful, so if you can wait a month could be worth it.

Regards
Gerry
[bigsmile]

WT...? The Pirelli Scorpions that I just fitted were almost $200 more per tyre. I can understand if that is the UK off-the-shelf price...the same as the US Tirerack $260......but locally supplied???

Sounds too good to be true. :eek:

For your sake I hope not......mumble, mumble, mumble.....:(

Cheers,

Kev.

[trif]

I can confirm that the General Grabber AT 255/55/19 will be available end of next week (or thereabouts). Supply and fit in Newcastle quoted at $293 per tyre.

Decision time l guess. General Grabber AT versus Pirelli Scorpion AT ??????

[Celtoid]

I can confirm that the General Grabber AT 255/55/19 will be available end of next week (or thereabouts). Supply and fit in Newcastle quoted at $293 per tyre.

Decision time l guess. General Grabber AT versus Pirelli Scorpion AT ??????

Mmmm.....TRIF, unless there is something you didn't like in the UK write-ups about the GG AT....it should be a no brainer.....I know I'd rather have that $1000 in my pocket!

:D

[trif]

Mmmm.....TRIF, unless there is something you didn't like in the UK write-ups about the GG AT....it should be a no brainer.....I know I'd rather have that $1000 in my pocket!

:D

Yes l know. Just thinking out aloud. GG for me.

[xoa]

Thanks for the positive news. Been very pleased with 33,000 km on 19" Wranglers including 7000 km on Simpson Desert trip last year. Bound for the Cape this year and need to get some new tyres before hand so Grabbers look like a good option at that price.

I'll be happy to put Wranglers back on for the black top and save the Grabbers for the trips.

Keep us posted when the first shipment arrives. I'll start shopping in Melbourne this week.

Thanks Geoff:)

[Celtoid]

Thanks for the positive news. Been very pleased with 33,000 km on 19" Wranglers including 7000 km on Simpson Desert trip last year. Bound for the Cape this year and need to get some new tyres before hand so Grabbers look like a good option at that price.

I'll be happy to put Wranglers back on for the black top and save the Grabbers for the trips.

Keep us posted when the first shipment arrives. I'll start shopping in Melbourne this week.

Thanks Geoff:)

Hey mate, don't know if you read my post on the Wranglers becoming puncture prone after some wear. I don't think they have a monopoly on that, as I'm certain I read elsewhere that another brand of tyre appeared to be doing the same thing.

With the exception of mud, my Wranglers had been pretty good (no crazy off-road stuff though, just sand, gravel, grass and some rocky stuff) but I had always planned on getting an AT type a bit later.

I had three out of the five tyres down to 50 - 60% and blew two of those on the one weekend just driving on gravel forest tracks. So I was forced to by the new tyres a few months earlier than anticipated.

I just couldn't believe how easily they blew.....rocks straight through the tread area.

Just something to keep in mind.

Cheers,

Kev.

[minibloodhound]

I can confirm that the General Grabber AT 255/55/19 will be available end of next week (or thereabouts). Supply and fit in Newcastle quoted at $293 per tyre.

Decision time l guess. General Grabber AT versus Pirelli Scorpion AT ??????

JUst wondering where in Newcastle you got the quote? On their website, General Tyres doesn't list a distributor in Newcastle. I'm about due for new 19s on my D4SE and looking for options, thanks.

[trif]

JUst wondering where in Newcastle you got the quote? On their website, General Tyres doesn't list a distributor in Newcastle. I'm about due for new 19s on my D4SE and looking for options, thanks.

Quote was from Jax in Edgeworth. However, afterwards l contacted my regular tyre supplier who contacted the Conti state rep directly to verify the info. As of this morning l have not received any more news. I'll post details once l know more.

[trif]

As of this afternoon l was told the shipment has been delayed by 2-3 weeks, so we need to wait just a little longer. But they are definitely coming ....... :D

[xoa]

HI All,

I have been in touch with Jax Melbourne who confirmed arrival of Continental shipment late in May. They could not give me a price yet.

Rather than wait until then, I contacted Donellans Box Hill who were more interested. They confirmed the same shipment and said most were on backorder on arrival. I placed a deposit on 5 at $285 each - I hope they're OK. Very pleased to have reasonably priced option now.

Good luck - sounds like D4 owners are lined up for them.

Geoff:)

[HMAURIN]

I run Pirelli AT 255x55x19 every day and they are pretty good. I killed one in the Flinders by hitting a grid at high speed (the tyre didn't burst but developed a bulge on the side wall). Other than that, no problem to report. I also have a set of Wrangler MTRs. I have never punctured one but they are not as good on the road (a little noisy, and quite slipprey when wet). I wouldn't run those for everyday work.
On another note, does anyone know where I could buy a 19 inch rim? I need another spare before I head for the Cape next month.

[RosscoDisco]

I have ordered 5 Grabbers from Tyrepower in Mornington Vic - they called supplier yesterday and came back and said that they are now due in around the 10th June.

Has anyone else in Melbourne area got their 19's yet?

I'm off for three months LSL at the end of June and MUST have the Grabbers on my D4 before i leave otherwise my itinerary will have to change.

[Disco4SE]

I have ordered 5 Grabbers from Tyrepower in Mornington Vic - they called supplier yesterday and came back and said that they are now due in around the 10th June.

Has anyone else in Melbourne area got their 19's yet?

I'm off for three months LSL at the end of June and MUST have the Grabbers on my D4 before i leave otherwise my itinerary will have to change.

Hi RosscoDisco,
Do you know how much you are paying?
I am in Mt Martha and wouldn't mind seeing them once you have them on.
Cheers, Craig

[CSBrisie]

HMaurin, try Barbagallo Tyres in Perth WA (Osborne Park) - they should be able to help and will courier door to door (I got 5 delivered to Adelaide)
cheers

[disco4now]

I have ordered 5 Grabbers from Tyrepower in Mornington Vic - they called supplier yesterday and came back and said that they are now due in around the 10th June.

Has anyone else in Melbourne area got their 19's yet?

I'm off for three months LSL at the end of June and MUST have the Grabbers on my D4 before i leave otherwise my itinerary will have to change.

Hope the wharfies and Patricks sort out their issues, don't they know we are all waiting for these to arrive!

[RosscoDisco]

Touch wood that the kind folk on our waterfront are still working - i am advised by local Tyrepower that the 19in Grabbers for my D4 SE will be in town on Monday and will be fitted on Tuesday next week!

To Craig of Mt Martha - will be more than happy to show you when they are fitted.

[Disco4SE]

Touch wood that the kind folk on our waterfront are still working - i am advised by local Tyrepower that the 19in Grabbers for my D4 SE will be in town on Monday and will be fitted on Tuesday next week!

To Craig of Mt Martha - will be more than happy to show you when they are fitted.
Hi RosscoDisco, PM me when you have them on.
Cheers, Craig

[trif]

Good news. The tyres have arrived and first impressions are favourable. They certainly make the car look a lot more 'purposeful'. In the limited kilometers so far road noise is not appreciably increased from the OEM wranglers. Handling feels assurred. Time will tell.

[Duke4]

They look great, how much were they in the end fitted?
and did you get 5?

[trif]

They look great, how much were they in the end fitted?
and did you get 5?

Hi Duke4,

$296 each and l purchased 5. I think it's always good policy to have a matching spare. So far so good .......

Regards Trif.

[chuck]

Does anyone know who is selling these in Melbourne?

I belive they will be availabe in 265 x 65 x 18LT - but when?

Regards

Chuck

[Disco4SE]

Hey RosscoDisco,
Had some tyres fitted to one of my trailers this afternoon at Tyrepower Mornington. Noticed that your new boots had arrived.
The tread look great. Definately a must for my next set.
Cheers, Craig

[xoa]

I found that Jax and Donellans both can get these from the Continental Tyre group who seem to be the importers. Mine (5) have arrived at Donellans but I have not got them fitted yet. Neither stocked them but both called Continental to get shipment details.

Looking forward to them and hoping they are not noisy.

Geoff:)

[RosscoDisco]

My 19in Grabbers have now done about 300km since fitting Tuesday. Road noise? might be a little loader but it is a marginal call. The only difference that i can feel is a slightly increased effort required to initiate slower speed turn of steering wheel but it is almost negligible and i put this down to the squarer edge profile. They look great too - 'purposeful' as Trif says without looking like a 4WD 'earth-scorcher'.

[SIITD5]

The new pattern looks interesting i hope they perform as well as the AT2 ,mine have been on (255/55/18) 50th klms and still look good for another 20 to 30 thousand,got a little noiser recently but would never say they were intrusive and on road handling has always impressed me, next set i may try 255/60/18 does anyone know if speedo correction for the larger tyre is a difficult thing.

[Celtoid]

Good news. The tyres have arrived and first impressions are favourable. They certainly make the car look a lot more 'purposeful'. In the limited kilometers so far road noise is not appreciably increased from the OEM wranglers. Handling feels assurred. Time will tell.

Tyres look great...they look more aggressive than the Scorpion ATRs I recently put on my D4....much flatter profile too.

I'm ****ed about how much more I paid per tyre....but I couldn't wait unfortunately :mad:

The Scorpions are pretty impressive on road but have definately changed how the car steers....maybe the rounder profile?

Wet handling is good too.

Have only been through some soft mud and they were significantly better than the OEMs.

Please keep us updated once you'd tried them on a few different surfaces.

Cheers,

Kev.

[Mike_S]

Must admit I'm in 2 minds what to replace my ATR's with before I ship the car later this year. Having already covered 38k miles they're about 4mm and the inner tread blocks are definitely almost on the wear bars. 2 would be fine as spares, so I'm thinking of going for another set of ATR's unless you chaps find the GG's to be a better tyre. It's certainly a much more aggressive looking tyre than the Pirelli, whether it's as long lived is yet to be proven really. For me, it's been worth paying the extra for the ATR, I really didn't expect them to last this long !

[MC D4]

Ordered my GG19's yesterday at Bridgestone West Perth quoted $315 per tyre which is not as cheap as you guys get in the east but $100 per tyre cheaper than the nominated GT dealer in WA. Not to mention and a lot of change left over when compared to the Pirelli Scorpion option from Barbagallo Tyres.

The downside is I am looking at up to 8 weeks for stock!!! Still very excited to have a replacement for the wimpy HP's!! :D

[lrdef110]

Ordered 6 GG AT 19's yesterday and will be here on Tuesday. Apparently they are in stock in Brisvegas. But the best fitted price I could get in Mackay was $340 per tyre. As you say still way cheaper than any other option and looks like it could be a good all terrian type tyre. Hope so anyway.

[PCH]

Can the guys who have the GG AT's fitted let us know what lt/100km you are getting around town and on the highway before and after fitting GG's.

I'm interested to know the difference if any.

Thanks

Chris

[trif]

I've only been through 1.5 tanks of fuel since they were fitted. City driving only so far averaging 12.0 L / 100km. Interstate trip this week so l can answer highway average on returning.

Regards Trif.

[RosscoDisco]

Mine have been on since early june. Just filled this morning and got 10.67l/100km. Driving has been mixed cycle including couple of trips to city on freeways, stop-start inner city and local home to work (short but hilly with stop/starts). I reckon that the Wranglers were the same. Front and rears running 40psi (was what the tire fitter put in them). Probably drop the fronts to 36psi as per vehicle recommendation but retain 40 (or 42) in rears as we are off on three months LSL this Saturday towing 1700kg of loaded camper. Say hi if you see a White SE D4 with GG's towing a Jayco Swan Outback. (on that, i notice that D4 owners more often than not check out each others cars...complimenting each other on the fine choice no doubt).

[lrdef110]

Had mine fitted today and although I have only done a few k's so far am very impressed - certainly with the road manners. Very quiet for the tread depth and pattern and feel really good to drive on. I like the extra rubber thickness up the sides to, and flatter surface tread so hopefully they perform adequately in the bush and are a good allrounder. The e-diff should take care of the rest.

[MC D4]

i noticed that my Wrangler HP's have gotten very noisy over the last few weeks only done 35,000kms!! is this normal or is jealousy set in??:eek:

[Dirty3]

The new pattern looks interesting i hope they perform as well as the AT2 ,mine have been on (255/55/18) 50th klms and still look good for another 20 to 30 thousand,got a little noiser recently but would never say they were intrusive and on road handling has always impressed me, next set i may try 255/60/18 does anyone know if speedo correction for the larger tyre is a difficult thing.

I've had the GG AT2's (18's) on for about 38,000Km's now for the last 12 mths. So far so good and I agree with SIITD5 and I reckon I've got about the same or at least another years or 30K worth out of these to go. Mostly road use, but have been great in the mud, snow and steep rocky terrain. Noise is/has a slight hum, but not too bad. Wearing evenly too and only one puncture. Still way more than 1/2 tread left. Fine on wet slippery roads too, so will see how they go once down more on tread.

Cheers, Neil.

[CaverD3]

i noticed that my Wrangler HP's have gotten very noisy over the last few weeks only done 35,000kms!! is this normal or is jealousy set in??:eek:
Normal they wear very fast and get noisy in later life.

[Preacher]

this is what they look like - fitting a set on Saturday to my sons D3

The NEW General Grabber AT (http://www.4site4x4.co.uk/news.aspx?id=15)

[Celtoid]

i noticed that my Wrangler HP's have gotten very noisy over the last few weeks only done 35,000kms!! is this normal or is jealousy set in??:eek:

I replaced mine at 30,000 as I found out the hard way, that as stated earlier they had worn pretty fast and had become very prone to punctures....three in one week!

[trif]

I have just averaged 9.0 L/100km on a 1000 km highway trip in a 3.0 L D4. As previously mentioned 12.0 L/100km city only driving.

If l get organised l'll take some offroad pics on the farm tomorrow. I did a little bit of off road stuff today and so far l'm still ...... :D.

Regards Trif.

[AnD3rew]

I've had the GG AT2's (18's) on for about 38,000Km's now for the last 12 mths. So far so good and I agree with SIITD5 and I reckon I've got about the same or at least another years or 30K worth out of these to go. Mostly road use, but have been great in the mud, snow and steep rocky terrain. Noise is/has a slight hum, but not too bad. Wearing evenly too and only one puncture. Still way more than 1/2 tread left. Fine on wet slippery roads too, so will see how they go once down more on tread.

Cheers, Neil.

Same for me GG AT2 18's at about 35k now, still tons of tread left, they look good and handle extremely well in wet and dry, they have done mud, sand, rock and lots of gravel roads as well as lots of highway and I haven't had any problems or punctures. If the new GG AT's are better as they are reported to be then they would be a very good choice and will be what I replace mine with when needed which hopefully is still another 20k away.

[Glendaragh]

Ordered 6 GG AT 19's yesterday and will be here on Tuesday. Apparently they are in stock in Brisvegas. But the best fitted price I could get in Mackay was $340 per tyre. As you say still way cheaper than any other option and looks like it could be a good all terrian type tyre. Hope so anyway.

If you don't mind me asking where in Mackay did you get yours from. I'm also in Mackay and am looking to fit some GG's.

[redsport]

Looking to get a set for my RRS, are u happy with them ?, and how much and where did u get them ?. Also are they the 50 or 55 profile ?

[redsport]

Looking to get a set for my RRS, are u happy with them ?, and how much and where did u get them ?. Also are they the 50 or 55 profile ? https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/668.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/editpost.php'do=editpost&p=1528449)

[elsey]

I have been considering replacement tyres for the Wranglers that are on my D4 and thought that the GG ATs would be a good all-round tyre however yesterday I head from Cooper that

"that Cooper USA is currently in production on the Cooper LTZ and AT-3 in 19”inch sizes. The exact tyre sizes that will be coming to Australia have yet to be confirmed but we are expecting our first shipment of 19”inch tyres sometime early in the new year."

With the AT-3 having an LT construction and having stronger side walls they will be well worth a look (depending on the sizes that will be available).

Regards

Lou

[redsport]

Have just fitted set of 19" AT Grabbers to my 2010 RR Sport , great, quiet and no vibrations. Got them from Lance Dixon Land rover in Doncaster Vic, they have plenty in stock at $330.00 each. Std tyres after only 22000 k were causing vibrations in car. Perfect now. Spoke to a Disco 4 driver with same grabbers who had just done 12000 k trip, all in the bush, no problems and he was rapt in them !!!:)

[Disco4SE]

With the AT-3 having an LT construction and having stronger side walls they will be well worth a look (depending on the sizes that will be available)
My local tyre dealer said that the AT-3 are quite a harsh ride, but strong.
Cheers, Craig

[Graeme]

With the AT-3 having an LT construction and having stronger side walls they will be well worth a look
From my search for LT-rated tyres, it would be a first for any tyre manufacturer to produce a tyre with a sidewall anywhere nearly as short as that on a 255/55-19. Many manufacturers have produced P-rated tyres with the same named pattern as their LT-rated tyres but the carcases and even the pattern can be quite different.

[gghaggis]

The smallest Cooper AT3 in an 18" size is 275/65R18, so I'd imagine a 19" AT3, if it eventuated, would be aimed at a similar market, ie large American "trucks".

Cheers,

Gordon

[Mike_S]

Just grabbed a rare bargain on fleabay, set of 4 brand new 19" Pirelli ATR's for £550 delivered. Considering I was looking at the thick end of £800 for a set, I'm chuffed to bits. They'll be going on the week before the car leaves these shores for Aus :cool:

[Celtoid]

Just grabbed a rare bargain on fleabay, set of 4 brand new 19" Pirelli ATR's for £550 delivered. Considering I was looking at the thick end of £800 for a set, I'm chuffed to bits. They'll be going on the week before the car leaves these shores for Aus :cool:


Geez mate, going rate for that tyre in Aus is close to $500......:mad:

Well done.

[Glendaragh]

Just had a set of 5 General Grabbers 255/55/R19 fitted today to D4 by JAX quickfit in Mackay. Total cost fitted and balanced was $280.50 each. Only drove home about 20klm but so far happy with very little appreciable difference in road noise. Road manners also seem excellent. Keen to try them out in some rough.

[Mike_S]

Geez mate, going rate for that tyre in Aus is close to $500......:mad:

Well done.

Mate, that's *exactly* why I bought them ! Mine have done 40,000 miles now and the fronts are worn out on the inside edge, so they'll go in the bin with the 2 rears becoming my spares. They've still got 4-5mm of tread on them, so for that task they're ideal.

Toyed with the idea of the GG's as they look a more aggressive pattern and might be more suited to the rougher conditions you chaps have, but given the mileage I've covered on these ATR's and the relatively small difference in cost between the 2 (about £30 a tyre here in the UK) the ATR's win for me. Quite honestly couldn't believe my luck when these 4 popped up for sale at £30 a tyre less than the GG, so the decision was an even easier one.

[Celtoid]

Mate, that's *exactly* why I bought them ! Mine have done 40,000 miles now and the fronts are worn out on the inside edge, so they'll go in the bin with the 2 rears becoming my spares. They've still got 4-5mm of tread on them, so for that task they're ideal.

Toyed with the idea of the GG's as they look a more aggressive pattern and might be more suited to the rougher conditions you chaps have, but given the mileage I've covered on these ATR's and the relatively small difference in cost between the 2 (about £30 a tyre here in the UK) the ATR's win for me. Quite honestly couldn't believe my luck when these 4 popped up for sale at £30 a tyre less than the GG, so the decision was an even easier one.

The other thing that's got me scratching my head is the price difference in Australia between the GG and the Scorpion. I know the Scorpion was voted the best ATR by some 4WD mag....I haven't read the article but I'm sure there wasn't alot in it..and certainly not $190 per tyre I'd wager....

[Mike_S]

When the Scorpion ATR came out, as far as I'm aware it was the only AT tyre available in 255/55/19 (the GG was still 6 months or so away), so Pirelli could pretty much charge what they wanted, albeit 'normal' Pirelli Scorpions in that size have always been pricey here. My current ones cost me £800 for the set in April 2010 and the price hasn't changed since then really. Back then, given the exchange rates between the UK & Aus I'd guess they were quite similarly priced (must've still been $2.2 - £1 if I recall correctly).

The difference is that since then, the rate's dropped massively in your favour but Pirelli haven't dropped the price to you guys, so the newer to you GG is priced better. It just doesn't have the long life of the Pirelli, whereas the older GG2 used to last forever.

I've been absolutely stunned at the life of the tyres (considering my standard road Conti's lasted 11,000 miles). As I said, my ATR's have done 42,000 miles now and still have 5mm on them, had I not left the knackered front bushes for 10,000 miles and knocked the insides off the fronts, I'd still have 4 serviceable tyres, rather than just 2. The temptation to carry on running this set to see how far they actually go is quite strong, but as I said in my initial post, I'm replacing them now purely because of the price of them in Aus, where my car will be heading in 2 months time.

[xoa]

HI all,

Just returned from 10,000 km Melbourne -> Cape York trip with a new set of Grabbers. So half the trip was off made road and included water, mud, sand and general rough stuff. The Grabbers were faultless, no punctures or failures and only a slight hum on the bitumen. We did get stuck in deep sand ruts twice, probably due to my reluctance to lower the tyre pressures enough - when I did we got out just fine. Sometimes we expect the Disco to do it all . Forgot to mention we did all this towing a CUB camper van which was also a great performer.

Geoff B.

PS Met another Disco 4 towing a big van and he also had a new set of Grabbers for the trip.

[Graeme]

Just had a set of 5 General Grabbers 255/55/R19 fitted today to D4 by JAX quickfit in Mackay. Total cost fitted and balanced was $280.50 each.
That's cheap, especially for a 19" tyre that basically only fits the D3/4 vehicles.

[Disco4SE]

Has anyone seen this on fleabay? 255 55 19 General Grabber All Terrain Winter Tyres x 4 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/255-55-19-General-Grabber-All-Terrain-Winter-Tyres-x-4-/140572323094)

Cheers, Craig

[outasight]

Hi Craig - I couldn't get your link to work, but I assume it's the ones in the UK for a little over AU$1,000 & then there's shipping on that which may be damn expensive from there ....

eBay item #130566020658

Regards,

Les.

[Disco4SE]

Hi Craig - I couldn't get your link to work, but I assume it's the ones in the UK for a little over AU$1,000 & then there's shipping on that which may be damn expensive from there ....

eBay item #130566020658

Regards,

Les.
Yes Les, I think thats the one. As you mentioned, the shipping is the killer.
Cheers, Craig

[chuck]

Does anyone know if these new GG AT's come in 18"yet?

Regards

Chuck

[lrdef110]

Yes the British magazines are now advertising the availability of the GG AT in 18" and Jax Tyres will reportedly have stock within about 4 weeks so I have been told by a friend who has ordered a set for his D3.
I have 19" GG AT fitted to my D4 and just completed a trip into Elim Beach north east of Cooktown towing a 3.5 tonne Kedron caravan. The tyres performed very well and I am very pleased with them so far. Just wish I only had paid $280 each for them instead of $340 from another tyre detailer in Mackay

[NauticAl]

Not a good day today! I picked up what appears to have been a 1/4" bolt in the RLHS tyre of my D4SE last night driving home and by the time I noticed and stopped ( on the freeway) the tyre was hot. Investigation this morning found a cupful of shredded rubber inside the tyre. She is cactus!:(

I have only done 10,000km, so am not overly happy. I have done this in two months, so I expect to need a new set of boots by the end of the year, so my thoughts are to buy 4 new 19" Grabbers, fit one as a spare now, and fit the last three in December before the old set are so worn that they are of no use as emergency un-mounted spares.

It seems to me that it may be a good idea to carry at least one spare un-mounted tyre on any interstate trip, givent the scarcity of spares in remote locations.

Does anyone know of a supplier of 19" Grabbers in WA?

Alternatively, does anyone have a single used Goodyear Wrangler 255 55 19 that they will to part with?

I have no spare tyre until I fix the problem.

Cheers

Al

[disco4now]

We are the other Disco4 that XOA ran into at Elliot falls. We got talking after seeing each others D4 with the 19" Grabbers on. We have just completed Sydney to the Cape towing out 3.5 ton van. No punctures and had them over most sort of terrain, mud on Creb track, sand on Fraser Island, everything from sand to sharp looking rocks on the dirt from Cooktown to the tip and the excursion up the the bottom half of Old Telegraph Track. I was running 30 psi front and 34 psi rear on the dirt until I ran into XOA. He had been running 20psi front and 25psi rear, so after that I ran 22psi front and 28psi rear for the rest of the trip. This was a bit smother on the corrigations and the rims had no damage. The bead protecting the rims seems like a good thing.
So i am happy with these tires as well.
:D

[gghaggis]

Does anyone know of a supplier of 19" Grabbers in WA?

Alternatively, does anyone have a single used Goodyear Wrangler 255 55 19 that they will to part with?

I have no spare tyre until I fix the problem.

Cheers

Al

Hi Al,

I have 3 Goodyear MTR 255/55R19 tyres spare. I happy to lend you one until you get your new tyres.

Cheers,

Gordon

[NauticAl]

Hi Gordon

Thanks for that - I will be in touch.

Does anyone have any info on General Grabber suppliers in Perth? I need 4 tyres.

Cheers

Al

[RosscoDisco]

Disco4now, XOA and ourselves must be about the only D4 owners driving around Aus at the moment - we D4 folk are thin on the ground in the outback.

My 19in GG AT's now have 20K kms on them, 12000 of which have been on our long service leave trip from Melb up the centre, west to Broome and now east to north Qld.

We are towing a Jayco Swan camper trailer (1700kg loaded) and we've driving in and out of the Bungle Bungles, across the Savannah Way between Borooloola, hells Gate and lawn hill NP, Cape Leveque Road north of Broome. Dust and corrugations and rocks and gravel and more dust.

I am really pleased with the Grabbers and would recommend to anyone who needs a great off/on road tyre. We've run ours at 26psi (fronts) and 28psi (rears) and the corrugations have become bearable (Savannah Way was testing though) and the rocks etc have not damaged the tyres in any way HOWEVER I will admit that we are driving in a manner to ensure that the tyres and rims don't come to grief and the old Jayco (often slammed as poorly constructed but our only issue was a leaking shocker after the Cape Leveque road).

We'll test the tires some more when we get to Fraser island shortly (towing the Jayco) but they are looking like giving over 40000km without too much trouble but I will be interested in how they perform when they start to get worn (a set of Coopers i had we terrifying at 50% worn on my old Pathfinder)

[PCH]

Hi to any General Grabber AT (255/55/19) owners.

It seems most owners are very happy with the tyres on their trips.

I hope to be a D4 3.0lt owner soon so this time round I won't have the luxury of 2 set of wheels as I did with my D3 so I will compromise and fit GG AT's for town and off-roading. I have been using GG AT2 for 60K+ km and they have plenty of life in them still and kill the GY OEM's.

So I'm keen to know what type of economy you are getting around town with the D4 3.0lt fitted with GG AT's and in your opinion is the wear rate reasonable offering a long life (i.e. 60K + km)

Thanks Chris

[Terrain Vehicles]

We're waiting for the UK shipment to hit dry land. While it's been at sea, the price of the tyres have gone up by £15 each! How?? :eek:

[outasight]

Hi Chris(PCH),

I have bought a set of RR 19" rims of a vehicle wholesaler in Port Melbourne who "upgrades" wheels on a lot of the cars he gets through. These are what the Range Rover catalogue describes as their "offroad rims", so should be perfectly suitable for a set of GG's.

They cost me just $250 for the set & I have his card. I could contact him if you would be interested in this potential option when the time comes.

Regards,

Les.

[33chinacars]

Hi Les

Can you see if your wholesaler has any 20002-2005 Range Rover 18" x 7.5" rims . Want one or two 5 spoke or split 5 spoke rims as spares. Or even one of each.

Gary

[outasight]

Hi Les

Can you see if your wholesaler has any 20002-2005 Range Rover 18" x 7.5" rims . Want one or two 5 spoke or split 5 spoke rims as spares. Or even one of each.

Gary

Might be getting a bit old Gary, but can you link or post a pic of the rim?
He(& I) wouldn't have a clue what wheel is what down there, so it's a case of go see with specific wheels. I can call by if I know what I'm looking for.

Regards,

Les.

[33chinacars]

Thanks Les

This is the Split 5 spoke rim. Note Black nuts 02-05
RANGE ROVER DISCOVERY 18" ALLOY WHEEL RIM!!!! | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RANGE-ROVER-DISCOVERY-18-ALLOY-WHEEL-RIM-/400249652514?pt=UK_Cars_Tyres_RL&hash=item5d30bd0522)
Part No: RRC001230MNH

This is the 5 spoke rim
Land Rover Range Rover L322 18" 5 Spoke Wheels & Tyres | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Range-Rover-L322-18-5-Spoke-Wheels-Tyres-/370555261114?pt=UK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Rims_ Car_Wheels_ET&hash=item5646d090ba)
Part No :RRC001320MNH

Other Range Rover/Range Rover Sport/ LandRover Disco & P38 have simular rims that are not the same. Later (06+) have silver wheel nuts that are bigger in the shank.

Many Thanks for your assistance Les

Regards Gary

[3rr]

Hi Chris(PCH),

I have bought a set of RR 19" rims of a vehicle wholesaler in Port Melbourne who "upgrades" wheels on a lot of the cars he gets through. These are what the Range Rover catalogue describes as their "offroad rims", so should be perfectly suitable for a set of GG's.

They cost me just $250 for the set & I have his card. I could contact him if you would be interested in this potential option when the time comes.

Regards,

Les.
Hi Les - does your dealer have any more of those 19" rims ?

cheers

[outasight]

I'll have to call by this week, haven't been there since last year & Celtoid could use at least one of these too if he wanted for his D4 SE (same as mine).

Will get back to you all when I know more ...
I see Lynrover(sp?) is selling the ones I got for $299 each on eBay !!!

Regards,

Les.

[3rr]

Thanks very much

[mervwho]

Is this what you are after?

[3rr]

Not really - the ones Les showed are the OEM style for my car - ideally I'd like a set of the spare rims (the black ones that have an 80km/hr limit sticker on them) to put a decent set off off-road tyres on, then I can get 2 of my originals sorted by the repairer bloke. However, I'm open to suggestions - out of curiosity, what are they off and $?

[outasight]

I'll have to call by this week, haven't been there since last year & Celtoid could use at least one of these too if he wanted for his D4 SE (same as mine).

Will get back to you all when I know more ...
I see Lynrover(sp?) is selling the ones I got for $299 each on eBay !!!

Regards,

Les.

For those looking for the fleabay link, here it is ...
eBay Australia: Buy new & used fashion, electronics & home d (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-RANGE-ROVER-L322-DISCOVERY-3-4-SPORT-ALLOY-WHEEL-RIM-19-X-9-INCH-/330639936653?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cfbad0c8d)

Regards,

Les.

[3rr]

I am not too excited by ebay, even for a bargain. I am after 4 rims for my car, not to flog on to make a few hundred.........

[outasight]

Gary,

Are you still in the market for those wheels?

Wheels For Land Rover | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Wheels-Land-Rover-/270917973061?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f13f83445#ht_500wt_1413)

$400 in Sydney or $500 delivered for a set ...

Regards,

Les.


Thanks Les

This is the Split 5 spoke rim. Note Black nuts 02-05
RANGE ROVER DISCOVERY 18" ALLOY WHEEL RIM!!!! | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RANGE-ROVER-DISCOVERY-18-ALLOY-WHEEL-RIM-/400249652514?pt=UK_Cars_Tyres_RL&hash=item5d30bd0522)
Part No: RRC001230MNH

This is the 5 spoke rim
Land Rover Range Rover L322 18" 5 Spoke Wheels & Tyres | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Range-Rover-L322-18-5-Spoke-Wheels-Tyres-/370555261114?pt=UK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Rims_ Car_Wheels_ET&hash=item5646d090ba)
Part No :RRC001320MNH

Other Range Rover/Range Rover Sport/ LandRover Disco & P38 have simular rims that are not the same. Later (06+) have silver wheel nuts that are bigger in the shank.

Many Thanks for your assistance Les

Regards Gary

[33chinacars]

Thanks Les but I have all the rims I need at the moment. There also 19" not 18" anyway. Thanks again for your interest

Gary