Fuel pump td5 madness

[ericpicc]

:mad: I've had it :mad:
How hard can it be to get a td5 fuel pump thats not worth a small fortune (may have to sell one of the kids) .
Rang around and nothing under $700.00!!!!!:eek: It's plastic not gold plated.
The Def's been off the road for 2 weeks now and not getting any closer to being on the black stuff again (if only I was made of money).
I'm going into the business of making plastic fuel pumps and selling them really dear.
Cant even get my hands on a good second hand one.:(:(:(:(

Ok I'm done venting, any ideas send them my way:(:cool:

[stig0000]

get a disco one, just change the sender over to your fender one,, of the gadge will be out,, for sum resion IDK the disco one is cheaper???, stuped i no, and there the same pump;)

[Slunnie]

I bought a genuine Disco TD5 one for $550 today from Karcraft.

[John_C]

Hi ericpicc


I ended up in a similar position the week before Easter this year in Auckland. The only fuel pump I could find was a genuine one at NZ$ 1490. So I arranged to return the pump if I did not open the sealed plastic bag. As I had found oil at the red plug as well & could drive around as the fuel tank was full. Was looking for dodgy wiring/ relay. After removing the fuel pump & confirming it was dead I found a VDO logo on the pump.This lead on to downloading the fuel pump catalogue & cross referring a generic VDO fuel pump to the Land Rover part No.

So I ordered a Allmakes own brand (wfx000260) from LRdirect in the UK. For Pounds 98.68 + 19 postage. I got this inside 10 days. On carefully taking apart the new pump housing the heart of the pump was slightly different & I was unable to confirm it was a VDO Pump but it went in anyway. The injection molded parts looked like they had come out of the same tool, as the pump I had removed. Hope you have enough information to make your own decisions.

2003 Defender from new.

JohnC

[scott oz]

John C.

Sorry but un sure from your post, did you fitt the Allmakes pump as a direct replacemen (plug and play) or did you take the guts out of the Allmakes and transfer it to you broken pump?


If its a direct replacement or simple modificaton what a great find?

[Slunnie]

Does anybody know what the actual differences are between the Defender and Discovery pump sender units?

If its only the float arm, then I think you might be able to swap them over if not the whole sender. I'm trying to find a pic of when I welded mine for the long range tank to see if it comes off.

Here we are - it looks like it just clips out and will swap over. Perhaps the whole sensor aswell???

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/09/188.jpg

[stig0000]

Like first post the level senser just clips down. And change the wire. It dosent mater witch way round they go.. and there is one other diff witch ontop of the pump there is a stud ontop the pump that dose nothing on eather disco or fender.. to take the pump apart its just all cliped to gether..

[John_C]

Hi Scott

The unit as I got it was a direct replacement. I only took it apart to see if the electric pump inside was a VDO unit, as that was the important bit to me. My logic was, that its a bit to fancy a pump to easily copy correctly. So probably comes out off the VDO manufacturing plant in Germany & fitted into different swirl pots for different vehicles. Plus also sold as complete units to aftermarket parts suppliers to put there own name on.

John C

[bitdist]

WFX000260 Fuel Pump for Land Rover - 98.68 from LRDirect.com (http://www.lrdirect.com/wfx000260-fuel-pump/)

[Slunnie]

I bought a genuine Disco TD5 one for $550 today from Karcraft.
To clarify, a VDO pump has just turned up. I assume VDO/Seimens is the manufacturer of the OE pumps as this is not actually labelled with Land Rover.


Hi ericpicc
<snip>
After removing the fuel pump & confirming it was dead I found a VDO logo on the pump.This lead on to downloading the fuel pump catalogue & cross referring a generic VDO fuel pump to the Land Rover part No.

So I ordered a Allmakes own brand (wfx000260) from LRdirect in the UK. For Pounds 98.68 + 19 postage. I got this inside 10 days. On carefully taking apart the new pump housing the heart of the pump was slightly different & I was unable to confirm it was a VDO Pump but it went in anyway. The injection molded parts looked like they had come out of the same tool, as the pump I had removed. Hope you have enough information to make your own decisions.

2003 Defender from new.

JohnC
Looking at the Discovery TD5 VDO pump I have here, there are visible VDO stampings all over it. The very top is stamped VDO, the pump inside it (visible from outside) has VDO stamped on it next to the wire terminals and the senders potentiometer has Siemens VDO printed on it.

The Disco TD5 part number on the top is 228-226-004-001Z and then the VDO marking. Interestingly, the part number that you have from Allmakes is very close to the part number that Karcraft use which is WFX000280. It is labelled by Karcraft as an <A> part which indicates that it is either a genuine part or manufactured by the genuine or OEM supplier. The Defender TD5 part WFX000260 as used by Karcraft also has the <A> suffix. So, between that and no VDO markings on your pump.... who knows!

[ericpicc]

:)Thanks everyone I feel a lot better now.
I'll order one from the link web site you posted thanks Slunnie.
Where oh where would we be without good old AULRO and it's many great members.

Well I do know that the 130 would be a burnt out shell on the front lawn:wasntme::angel::angel:

[bitdist]

The 280 part number is there too !!

WFX000280 Fuel Pump for Land Rover - 98.68 from LRDirect.com (http://www.lrdirect.com/wfx000280-fuel-pump/)

I guess then if the 280 one is for the disco, then the 260 is for the defender ??

cheers

TIm

[LowRanger]

You will find that the plastic swirlpot/sender unit will come apart,and there will be a pump inside.Just remove pump and compare to generic pumps for someone like Fuel miser.Have done this on many vehicles that use a similar setup.

Wayne

[Slunnie]

get a disco one, just change the sender over to your fender one,, of the gadge will be out,, for sum resion IDK the disco one is cheaper???, stuped i no, and there the same pump;)

Thats it.

I did a pump change yesterday and you can easily swap over the float level gear.

Just buy a Disco one if the pumps are the same and swap over the float and electronic thing if needed.

[mattyg]

hi slunnie, did you replace the pump seal when changing the pump?

[Hamish71]

You will find that the plastic swirlpot/sender unit will come apart,and there will be a pump inside.Just remove pump and compare to generic pumps for someone like Fuel miser.Have done this on many vehicles that use a similar setup.

Wayne

If anyone wants to do this, and publish the part no, and tutorial in the tech section...Im sure we would give them legend status.:)

[Blknight.aus]

Ive been looking for ages... (and I've previously posted on this)

there isnt an alternatively availalbe fuel pump that is a slot in job that makes the pressure AND the fuel rate required that doesnt cost more than an OEM pump without requiring additional mods that IMHO compromise the ability to restore the original pump or the longevity of the repair.

[Rimmer]

So Dave, are you saying the allmakes one from LRdirect that john c. details is no good as well?

Tod.

[Blknight.aus]

thats a complete drop in unit hes selling I havent tried it.

What Im getting at is pulling the existing unit apart and being able to walk into somewhere reasonable and saying "hi give me pump X from vehicle Y" and then being able to slot that into the existing housing. without major irreversible modifications to the pump setup. Sort of like going and buying the $80ish dollar VN/VK in tank fuel pump and dropping it into the V8 Discos pump housing.

[Rimmer]

Dave,

If I buy one, (Allmakes) would you give it a once over please?

Considering how cheap they are.

Tod.

[Blknight.aus]

sure but Im up here in Ipswich (qld, near brissy) and you're down there in NSW...

at the end of the day there wont be much I can do when looking at it without putting it into a vehicle and then it either works or it doesnt.

sure I'd be able to find casting defects and jointing issues but as to giving it the official "oh yeah thats the ducks guts baby" that comes down to how well it performs.

If you're game enough to bring your vehicle up here and have it installed Im happy to help out there.

[Rimmer]

After reading some of your previous threads on the subject. I thought you might like to bench test it.

I have no dramas with fitting it, already cut an access point in the the floor.

But would never so no to any additional advice.

I'll let you know when it turns up.

Tod.

[Blknight.aus]

the bench testing kit that I put together wasnt highly scientific and was more for testing the output of alternative pumps to fit into the housing...

I would not pull apart a complete unit just to cobble it onto my improvised test bench to find out that yes it work...

search the threads on pump installation and before you pull the old one out make up a chunk of sponge and wood that has cut outs in it to allow it to fit inside the ring and over the fittings. place the sponge on the top, the wood over that and then use that to push down on the pump housing while you do up the screw ring.

the screw ring does not have to be super tight to make the seal work.

[Cameron_Def]

Guys .. as someone who has been in this situation, check your fuel pump relay .. I have found 2 mates who thought it was the pump and it was the relay !! :o

[geckos]

Yep under warranty that happened to me. Put it off for a bit then one day it just wouldn't start. Roadside assisst no questions asked had the car back that afternoon.
Cheers
Geck

[chris m]

Hi, just looked at LRDirect and the Allmakes pump is 200+ pounds, is there a typo in your post or have they doubled the price I wonder. Have recently acquired a 2000 TD5 and considering it a good idea to carry a spare on the planned big expedition. Thanks, Chris M.

[harro]

Hi, just looked at LRDirect and the Allmakes pump is 200+ pounds, is there a typo in your post or have they doubled the price I wonder. Have recently acquired a 2000 TD5 and considering it a good idea to carry a spare on the planned big expedition. Thanks, Chris M.

Hi Chris,
have a look at the Britcar site.
Your choice for OEM or pattern but huge difference in price.
No detailed info on the cheaper unit but it wouldn't surprise me if it is the Allmakes copy.
I looked here ages ago and the cheap one will do me for a spare but others may think differently.
Britcar (UK) Ltd > Your Search Results (http://www.brit-car.co.uk/search.php?xSearch=WFX000260&submit.x=13&submit.y=12&submit=Search)

Cheers,
Paul.

[Tombie]

Those who buy the cheaper aftermarket pump will often find themselves buying an OEM version not long after.

Add to that, a tow, recovery etc... And there are no savings to be made...

For TD5 fuel pumps - OEM or nothing

[Yorkshire_Jon]

I'd agree, OEM or nothing. However, note that you cant just swap it out in the middle of the bush unless you've previously cut an access hatch in the floor, or are prepared to drop the tank to get to it.

J

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[Rf3777]

lrdirect now selling "VDO" TD5 fuel pump seems getting $$$ much higher...
I need to replace one real soon, since my TD5 cutting fuel when going uphill, the Bearmach one price real cheap, anyone experienced the Bearmack fuel pump can last long?

https://www.lrdirect.com/WFX000260-Fuel-Pump-Assy/

[dfendr]

You could try this one
Land Rover Discovery 2 IN Tank Fuel Pump AND Sender Unit Lucas WFX000280 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/391137209014?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

The brand name fills me with confidence .................not

[CU55TM Disco]

Rover lord is selling those Lucas pumps and swears by them. His testimony is on another thread here somewhere.

[Roverlord off road spares]

Rover lord is selling those Lucas pumps and swears by them. His testimony is on another thread here somewhere.no longer running them
True, That was in the past, we had very little problems with them. I believe they have changed their manufacturer now, so we do no longer stock them.