L322 ARB bullbar (and snorkel....:)

[andrew e]

This is the modified D3 one which Scouce refered to earlier this year. I am working with the owner on building a commercially available snorkel. (td6)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Unfortunately due to other committments, i cannot start the snorkel for atleast another month, however i have a bit of help this time from an expert, and with any luck, it will be finished this summer. (a little bit quicker than the P38 development!!) I will update this thread when i have progress.

Andy

[Scouse]

I thought it was a modified D2 bar. That's what I was told at least.

[dangermousehouse]

Looks good!

'Scuse my ignorance, but will the diesel snorkel fit the petrol engine model?

[David~]

Hi There,
I am really interested in a roo bar for my L322, preferably suitable for a winch. Is the bar that you pictured certified for use on the L322 ?
Who was it supplied by etc.
Thank You

[jx2mad]

I too would like a bar for my L322 but none are manufactured. Problem with getting them compliant. Jim

[PaulP38a]

Andy - remember the Hard Range creed... P38's first, then L322's and everything else ;)

Why? RRC's are already well catered for by aftermarket suppliers, so no need for us to offer our products here... yet. P38's are hugely capable off-road vehicles that are now becoming relatively cheap to own and enhance... and they are nowhere near as complicated as the naysayers would like you to think. Early L322's are becoming as cheap as good late model P38's but not as well serviced by aftermarket suppliers like us. We will address shortcoming as time and R&D funds permit.

The L322 snorkel (aka Raised Air Intake) will be pretty easy now that we have a donor vehicle... but not until the P38 snorkel is sorted properly. What complicates the L322 snorkel will be the range of engines/air boxes that LR has gone through so far... BMW, Ford, Jaguar.

We currently supply the only SRS certified Roo Bar (with winch provision) for the P38... in the world (with Clarkson accent for effect). I have every confidence that we will be able to get a certified L322 Roo Bar next. Watch this space or Hard Range (http://hardrange.com) for updates.

If you seriously want a Roo Bar and/or snorkel for your L322, send an "e-mail of intent" to us at info@hardrange.com and we will seriously consider the priority list given enough committment to make it financially viable. Unlike ARB and TJM, we prefer to work in the niche market and don't sneer at requests for the "Best 4x4 by Far".

Cheers
Paul.


Cheers, Paul.

[Homestar]

Andy - remember the Hard Range creed... P38's first, then L322's and everything else ;)

Why? RRC's are already well catered for by aftermarket suppliers, so no need for us to offer our products here... yet. P38's are hugely capable off-road vehicles that are now becoming relatively cheap to own and enhance... and they are nowhere near as complicated as the naysayers would like you to think. Early L322's are becoming as cheap as good late model P38's but not as well serviced by aftermarket suppliers like us. We will address shortcoming as time and R&D funds permit.

The L322 snorkel (aka Raised Air Intake) will be pretty easy now that we have a donor vehicle... but not until the P38 snorkel is sorted properly. What complicates the L322 snorkel will be the range of engines/air boxes that LR has gone through so far... BMW, Ford, Jaguar.

We currently supply the only SRS certified Roo Bar (with winch provision) for the P38... in the world (with Clarkson accent for effect). I have every confidence that we will be able to get a certified L322 Roo Bar next. Watch this space or Hard Range (http://hardrange.com) for updates.

If you seriously want a Roo Bar and/or snorkel for your L322, send an "e-mail of intent" to us at info@hardrange.com and we will seriously consider the priority list given enough committment to make it financially viable. Unlike ARB and TJM, we prefer to work in the niche market and don't sneer at requests for the "Best 4x4 by Far".

Cheers
Paul.


Cheers, Paul.

Hi Paul, I know I'm dredging up an old thread here, but I was just wondering if you were any further down the track thinking about a bar for the L322? I took mine bush for the first time on the weekend, and now I'm sure it won't be the last...:p and a bar of some description would be an advantage.

Obviously the time and money to develop one is high, but I thought I'd ask, and see if anyone else was genuinly interested? If there was enough interest from forum members would that help put the development of a bar back on your list?:)

Cheers - Gav

[PaulP38a]

Hi Paul, I know I'm dredging up an old thread here, but I was just wondering if you were any further down the track thinking about a bar for the L322? I took mine bush for the first time on the weekend, and now I'm sure it won't be the last...:p and a bar of some description would be an advantage.

Obviously the time and money to develop one is high, but I thought I'd ask, and see if anyone else was genuinly interested? If there was enough interest from forum members would that help put the development of a bar back on your list?:)

Cheers - Gav

No worries at all Gav, I'm glad that you have. I know Andy is keen to get one going and his L322 is the donor vehicle. Time (and of course spare funds) is still our enemy. We will post updates here as we make progress.

We have the RAI/snorkel sorted for the P38, and I believe Andy is still experimenting with moulds for the L322 RAI/snorkel... and then I want the rock sliders for my P38... whether we sell them or not :p

If another manufacturer beats us to market, it's our loss, and I wish them every success. The L322 deserves a decent bull bar.

Cheers, Paul.

[fraser130]

Hello Paul, just wondering if there is any news on this front as I park mine in the street, and I'm getting fed up with touch-parkers!!
What is involved in modding a D3 bar to fit - is it a big job, or just a few tweaks?

Cheers,

Fraser

[Summiitt]

I too am interested in a steel bar for my 04 rangie. Too many Roos where I drive, makes me nervous! Will watch this space.

[PaulP38a]

We need Andrew E to weigh in here. He's the man with the L322 and the talent.

Cheers, Paul.

[fraser130]

Just a little "nudge" to the thread as I was away up near Horsham over easter and we were driving in convoy (mate first, then me) and my mate hit a emu that decided it had had enough of this world. There was no way he could have missed it.
He had a steel ARB bar, and not a mark on it, if I'd had been in front it would have cost me a bumper, grill, bonnet, and maybe more! - plus all the hassle

I want to do quite a bit of travelling over the next year or so, and a bullbar is really a must-have.

Cheers,
Fraser

[Tunny]

I am also wanting the Snorkel and bull bar for my 04 Td6. Currently traveling OZ and have allready done as many mods as I can but these 2 items still taunt me.

Some well priced underbody protection would also be nice aswell as a rear wheel carrier.

Pic attached

[Rim]

I am also wanting the Snorkel and bull bar for my 04 Td6. Currently traveling OZ and have allready done as many mods as I can but these 2 items still taunt me.

Some well priced underbody protection would also be nice aswell as a rear wheel carrier.

Pic attached

Hey Tunny,

Nice rig.. What have you done to it?

Rim
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L322 '06 Range Rover Vogue TD6

[Tunny]

Hi Rim,

My mods are as follows, nothing to special but just enough to make it a bit more useful for touring.

-UHF radio with aerial mounted on a custom bracket attached to the rubber A bar.
-A bar
-Head light and tail light guards.
-Waterproof seat covers.
-Rubber floor mats inc boot.
-Cargo net.
- Additional 12v socket in boot that switches off with the ignition for a fridge.
-Tradesman roof rack with shovel/high lift jack holder, dual Jerry can carrier, custom bracket for max trax, sand flag mount and waterproof roof bag.
-PSI power chip.
-Goodyear wrangler silent armour tires.
-Scratches, dents, cracked lights and windscreen, broken external trim and 2 transmissions. She works hard.

I have priced a sump guard but it was to expensive to consider.

If only I could get a snorkel, bull bar and rear wheel carrier it would be complete.

Regards

Tunny

[Homestar]

If only I could get a snorkel, bull bar and rear wheel carrier it would be complete.

Regards

Tunny


Amen to that Tunny. The one who brings those items to market first will be quite busy I would think. It will happen at some stage I'm sure - the P38's are now starting to become more common off road and the amount of gear for them is increasing. In a few years time it will be the L322's turn. As this shape body shape will have been around for 12 or more years by the time the L405 is released, there is a potentialy huge market for such items going forward. Anyone who has taken theirs off road know how good they are, and it is only a matter of time before more people take a close look at converting these into 'Bush Pigs'. In the next few years these will start to turn up with high KM, and buggered trannies dirt cheap.

[uteman]

This is the modified D3 one which Scouce refered to earlier this year. I am working with the owner on building a commercially available snorkel. (td6)

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=29408&stc=1&d=1285931806

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=29407&stc=1&d=1285931690

Unfortunately due to other committments, i cannot start the snorkel for atleast another month, however i have a bit of help this time from an expert, and with any luck, it will be finished this summer. (a little bit quicker than the P38 development!!) I will update this thread when i have progress.

Andy
What isa D3 bar?
My car is same as one pictured. Had the Range Rover bar fitted when new but the black covering is failing.

[Scouse]

D3 = Discovery 3 but the bar is actually a D2 bar, modified to fit.

[vk5cp]

I would love a L322 snorkel if you can manufacture. A decent bull bar would also be a nice replacment for mu aging factory one. Send me a PM if you ncan help with a snorkel.

Chris

[Rim]

Tunny,

Apologies for the tardy response.. :angel:

Thanks for the heads up on your mods.. Where did you mount the UHF in the cab? Have you had any worries getting mechanical repairs outback?

Cheers

Rim
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L322 '06 Range Rover Vogue TD6

[101RRS]

D3 = Discovery 3 but the bar is actually a D2 bar, modified to fit.

How does certification go with that bar - I want to put a D3 bar on my RRS but the expense of the engineering and certification process to make it legal make is likely to be a bit prohibitive.


Garry

[Tunny]

Hi Rim,

In relation to the UHF I have the icom-440 which has the remote mic including speaker. When they installed it the main body was placed behind the lower trim on the passenger side foot well (door side) and the mic which comes with a 2.5M extension lead just pocked out from the bottom corner of the center console on the drivers side (where the carpet meets the console). Very neat and tidy and use's up no space. then stuck the mic mount on the side of the console with double sided tape.

As for repairs in the bush it has been a challenge. As most of our travels have been on the west coast (now in Darwin) service center's are few and far between so there has been some doubling back. Most people just look at it and walk away. It has also had 2 trips on a flat bed.
Just yesterday I replaced the 2 front air struts due to the left front failing, mind you it has now covered 165,000KM so it was expected at some stage. The local Darwin LR dealer wanted way to much for the parts and labour. Tried a couple of independent mechanics and they showed little interest as well, mainly due to the fact they only work on earlier models.
There have been several times in the last few weeks were I almost traded it for a Toyota 200 series, but I have come to my senses and am sticking with the Rangie.
All I can say is that if you are going to travel remote with one of these things do as we have, carry a sat phone an 'e'perb a UHF, spare fuel and oil filters and service it yourself.

Regards

Tunny

[MR LR]

D3 = Discovery 3 but the bar is actually a D2 bar, modified to fit.
That's not a D2 bar, how do i know, we have one, it's a D3 bar :)

[peter g]

Anyone know if Paul & Andrew have made any progress with the snorkel for L322 TD6, I would really love to fit one before heading north in May next year.
Peter

[harlie]

Sorry no idea - give Andrew or Paul a call, both top blokes and Andrew loves to chat about his rangie....

[PaulP38a]

Hi Peter

I haven't spoken with Andy in a while as we have both been crazy busy with our day jobs. Don't know if he has progressed with the L322 snorkel.

I will PM you his current mobile number. Best to send him a text during the week day and he will call back, or you might get him on weekends.

Cheers, Paul.

[bluegreygreen Rangie]

I saw the Rangie with the bar heading into Erina fair shopping complex on the central coast about three days ago... I tried to chase it down so I cold have a good look at it however it got away on me in the numerous car parks :p

It looks awesome!!, id love to see it in the flesh and be able to understand how much was involved to make it fit. It must live on the central coast because i have passed it a couple of times now



Dave

[39high]

Andrew
Paul has cc ed you in on my request for info on a bar and snokel for a L322 TD6. Has there been any progress and an idea on price. Iam also in the market for side steps / sliders and a rear bar/ wheel carrier.
Cheers Bob akia 39high

[Laurie]

Bob
Like many I'm waiting for bullbar also; the one thing we won't get are solid side steps. When I enquired with different companies it was the same story. Vehicles with side/curtin airbags arn't permitted to have reinforcement in the area of the activation sensors and area covered by the airbags (ADR Regulations). Hence only plastic and aluminium side steps are marketed.
I have seen some on later model Toyotas; but the heavy bars from the bullbar stop near the base of the A-pillar then a lighter tubing for the side steps.

Laurie

[Waverley]

Andrew
Paul has cc ed you in on my request for info on a bar and snokel for a L322 TD6. Has there been any progress and an idea on price. Iam also in the market for side steps / sliders and a rear bar/ wheel carrier.
Cheers Bob akia 39high

Bob,

For your information, I had some heavy duty, and I mean heavy, sliders made for me by Bruce Davis in Sydney. I also have 10mm plate on the underside for protection of the front end and shaft. Hope this helps. Rob

[Tunny]

Hi Waverley,

Do you have any pics? Also what was the cost for the rails and under body protection as I have been trying to source for some time.

Regards

Tunn

[RangieBit]

Hi Laurie,

I'm a little confused now about the comment regarding interference with the curtain airbags from side rails.

I can see issues with airbags from "tree rails" that traditionally attach at the bullbar and then run down to become sliders under the sill, protecting the fenders. That sort of continuous run is going to mess with the inertia sensors big time as they would disperse the shock loads in all sorts of ways the vehicle designers never intended. I don't see the same issue with separate "sliders" along just the sill though. Any side impact large enough to trip the side sensors is still going to be effective with some sort of slider as it is attached to the sill (or chassis rail under the sill). Crush rates and crumple could be affected sure but the airbags would still fire as expected. Maybe I'm missing something.

Land Rover make a set of fairly substantial side rails for the L322. They call these "Side Protection Tubes", Part# VUB001230. These are significantly more robust than the aluminium side steps for the vehicle, although they aren't "steps". I have seen them close up fitted to a vehicle and they looked at least as beefy as a set of sliders I had on my D2 a while back.

If LR can market these for fitment to the vehicle how do they get around the airbag issue? Just wondering.

Cheers,
Iain

[Laurie]

Hi Iain
I approached the local ARB agent early last year about a set of steel side steps similar to the ARB set on my D2 for a L322. This is where I was told about the side curtin air-bag problem. I believe that ARB still don't make the steel side steps for the Landcruiser/Prado models with side air bags.
Are these the tubes you are talking about below ?


Just a thought, it may be the side crush-cans for the air bag activation are overly protected and may be late/no activation as the force would be spread along the steps the most pressure being on the mounting points ? The tubes look almost level with the side of the vehicle, so any reasonable force would trigger the airbags. Check the height of the side sensor below.


I agree for underneath protection, they would be good, if you could put the light weight steps over them you would have the best of both worlds !

Laurie

[Laurie]

Missing Image !

[RangieBit]

Hi Laurie,

Thanks for the feedback, and the pictures!

Seems to me that since all the airbags rely on inertial sensors to trigger deployment, that it shouldn't make much, if any, difference if there is a side rail or not. In terms of actual body deformation rate (or crumple) it would certainly make a difference. This is ultimately going to have some influence on the effectiveness of the airbags.

A case in point for this is the extensive testing that has to be performed with any sort of frontal impact protection. New crush cans have to be created so that the vehicle decelerates (or crumples) at a similar rate as without the frontal protection. This is so that the airbags are not the only things decelerating the occupants, while the occupants are having the full force of the impact transferred to them as they hit the airbags. This would result in significantly greater injury.

In a similar fashion the side airbags have their own limits in terms of what would most likely be "survivable" side impact forces. Anything too robust along the side of the vehicle is going to impart significantly greater force on the occupants than if the bodywork absorbed some of the impact energy during airbag deployment.

I'm guessing here but I suspect that the design of the bars, and the mounts, mean that the bulk of the bodywork still comes into play as part of the energy dissipation process. Though not as much as without the bar present. This is possibly considered to be an "acceptable" margin increase.

The LR bars sit about level with the sills so would do the job of a traditional "slider" sill protection bar.

From the RAVE excerpt it appears that the sensor is at about sill height so I'm guessing it would trigger at pretty much the same velocity with or without the bar in place.

I'm sure there are engineers out there doing all sorts of fancy math to determine what will, or will not, work effectively to protect the occupants for many different energy transfer and dissipation scenarios. That's possibly why they are paid the big bucks.

Them's my thoughts anyway. I have some others about the ARB agent but I'll keep those to myself for now.

Cheers,
Iain

[Waverley]

Hi Waverley,

Do you have any pics? Also what was the cost for the rails and under body protection as I have been trying to source for some time.

Regards

Tunn

Tunn,

Sorry, just saw your post. I will get some pics and put them up and dig out the costs. Cheers. Rob

[chuck]

Saw an L322 Range Rover yesterday travelling south down Sydney Rd near Fawkner - it had a safari snorkel and was towing a bigish off road van.

I did not think you could get a Safari snorkel for the RR.

Cheers

[Homestar]

I did not think you could get a Safari snorkel for the RR.
Cheers

They don't... Wonder if they have modified something else they have like a D3/D4 unit?

Next time you see it, chase them down and ask them how they did it.:D

[Laurie]

Iain I agree completely with what your saying ! have a look at these sliders

Mk III Range Rover sill protectors and side steps (http://www.rangerovers.net/outfitting/rocksliders/mkiiisillprotect.html#rogers)

They look the goods !

Laurie

[RangieBit]

Noice!! Yeah!!

Iain

[Laurie]

Has anyone got any updates about a certified bull-bar for the L322 yet ? :)

Laurie

[donrover0]

Those factory slider bars appear to have the same ( size) supports/bars and brackets as the side steps .
Might as well have the steps!

[Bartzbis]

Great to hear you are working on protection parts for the L322. I'm in Canberra if there is anything I can do to help from here. We need a lot more gear available.

[chaybra]

Everybody check out this and get on board. We need numbers!
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/l322-range-rover/199942-l322-bullbar-development-finally.html