How not to recover a vehicle! Count the mistakes

[Ashes]

Was looking at some youtube clips on snatch strap recoveries and came across this gem.


The clip is pretty long but is a great training video on how not to do things.

How about each person who looks at it, finding one dangerous/errant method and commenting on how it should have been done.

I'll start.

Guy with the extra battery, not well positioned. Lucky the cable didn't snap at the other end and come back towards the Disco.

[big guy]

Was the motor running?
I always place a rag or something on cable, put wheel stops in and get people to move the hell away.
My 2c.

[PhilipA]

I have seen this before and wonder at the stupidity involved. The only edifying part is that they got away with it without someone being killed.
Mistakes
1 driving in there in the first place without checking
2 not using 2 methods of extraction ie high lift jack or bullbag to lift the car out of the mud suction.
3 snatching with a tow strap
4 joining tow strap and snatch with a shackle
5 trying a single line pull on a car obviously well and truly stuck
6 No damper on the cable or snatch strap
7 not anchoring the Disco from start
8 not putting the waffle under the wheels
9 repeatedly snatching . I bet the Disco will have a diff go bang soon.
10 Spectators next to the cable.WOW.
There are probably some that I have missed, but what a farce.
Regards Philip A

[austastar]

Hi,
that had such potential for carnage!
cheers

[bbarkz]

What an absolute bunch of TOSSA'S!! There the type who get someone hurt or killed and sit around wondering why it happened.Cars and parts are replaceable,people ARE NOT!!!!!

[Hymie]

6 No damper on the cable or snatch strap


Don't get me started on the **** that is the "Damper" on a Snatch Strap or Winch rope.
Seeing both the winch rope and a snatch strap break in the video, how much would a 300X300 flap of material have slowed either of them down in time to save a life?
Whoever first marketed Dampers must be laughing all the way to the bank.

[Hymie]

How about 15 minutes with a shovel to clear the goop away.

[Ashes]

Using the towball for the last series of 10+ snatches was pretty impressive as well.

[djam1]

I thought the 10 spline axles on the Disco did really well

[hook]

Were they using jumper leads when they had the batteries joined?????
Or just the terminals touching.

2c
stepping over a (live) joined rope

[Ashes]

My favourite is around 5m15s in when our hero Tommy says he hasn't used the strap but knows the procedure. This comes just after he has connected 2 straps with a shackle.

[clubagreenie]

This is the same tool that we've seen before trashing disco's.

Smells of poor little rich kid with nothing better to do and no brain to come up with anything better.

[flagg]

A SHOVEL!

The whole thing could have been avoided with A SHOVEL! my god it annoys me when people faff about for ages coming so close to killing each other all because they are too bloody lazy to do a bit of digging.

With a Jack, a Shovel and a few matts you will get out of almost anything without crazy amounts of potential energy waiting to cut someone in half.

[HangOver]

Snatch strap attached BOTH ENDS to tow balls :eek:
Using a $1.99 shackle :eek::eek:
I'm really amazed it held together.
Sounded like the camera man had the most to offer, shame he was too busy with the camera to be more constructive.

[reubsrover]

"It got you out what more do you want"

Well a winch that's not broken, a new towing assembly, another snatch strap or two, a new tow rope and a replacement for anything else used in the rather costly recovery. But no we don't want to get any mud on ourselves.

[oztruckdriver]

VERY professional kinetic rope snatch recovery - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Q8lMxYnGIrw&feature=endscreen)

And they sent us out here as convicts

[TD50WA]

OMG.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

I've been doing it wrong all these years..........

[seano87]

I've seen that one before. Mind boggling isn't it?

[weeds]

**** that..........see it before crazy

[rover-56]

I am not laughing, there were kids and spectators all round.
I have seen a shackle go through a rear window and a cargo barrier.....
Terry

[weeds]

I am not laughing, there were kids and spectators all round.
I have seen a shackle go through a rear window and a cargo barrier.....
Terry

agree, extremely dangerous

i try everything possible to avoid using a snatch strap, infact i would have not even offered help due to the dickhead getting stuck in the first place

[Sparksdisco]

agree, extremely dangerous

i try everything possible to avoid using a snatch strap, infact i would have not even offered help due to the dickhead getting stuck in the first place


How did the filter miss that word Underlined :eek::eek::eek::eek:

[weeds]

How did the filter miss that word Underlined :eek::eek::eek::eek:

dunno......hope the mods dont see it

[sam_d]

**** me! What a bunch of idiots!

As annoying as the commentator was, at least he had the sense to tell people to stay back (even if they ignored him).

And the comment from 'Tom' of "...I've not used one before but I know the procedure..." was somewhat worrying. Joining the straps with a shackle and attaching them to the car over the tow ball? What else does this guy think he knows?

I don't claim to be an expert in recovery but these guys just demonstrated a clear lack of even the basics.

[mike_ie]

**** me! What a bunch of idiots!

As annoying as the commentator was, at least he had the sense to tell people to stay back (even if they ignored him).

And the comment from 'Tom' of "...I've not used one before but I know the procedure..." was somewhat worrying. Joining the straps with a shackle and attaching them to the car over the tow ball? What else does this guy think he knows?

I don't claim to be an expert in recovery but these guys just demonstrated a clear lack of even the basics.

Sad to say, but I've seen it in Ireland too. The basic problem is, they don't have the same practical experience of vehicle recovery that somebody off-roading in Australia has. There's nowhere you can really go that you are going to get stuck, so the weekend's entertainment is heading off to the local abandoned quarry or mudflat and getting as stuck as possible, and seeing if you can get back out. And sadly, things like "I know the procedure" quite often means "I watched a youtube video of some guy in Australia doing this", or "I read this article in 4x4 Monthly...."

[disco2_dan]

Reminds me of being 12-13 again, getting the old kinds wood paddock bashed stuck to buggery after rain and using rope, chains and an old Massey ferguson to get it out, between ropes and chains breaking and nearly flipping the Massey a few times I'm surprised i was never seriously hurt lol oh the good old days of she'll be right hahaha would never even contemplate anything like that these days.

[Loubrey]

This is the same tool that we've seen before trashing disco's.

Smells of poor little rich kid with nothing better to do and no brain to come up with anything better.

A very frustrating aspect of Land Rovers in the UK is that you don't have to have a rich father to have a Disco like that. A 1000 GBP (or less!) will buy you a Disco 200 Tdi. This has resulted in the brand having a very poor image, especially as complete tools like these are able to buy them, break them and fix them for a fraction of what they cost in the rest of the world.

Cheers,

Lou

[dragon2000]

Don't get me started on the **** that is the "Damper" on a Snatch Strap or Winch rope.
Seeing both the winch rope and a snatch strap break in the video, how much would a 300X300 flap of material have slowed either of them down in time to save a life?
Whoever first marketed Dampers must be laughing all the way to the bank.

ive used a damper on my winch wire and it did it job by stopping it from hitting my car, i think they are worth the money

[jacobraftery]

Realise it's an old thread, but the big thing for me, other than having an idiot filming it... is the fact he yelled out "Its okay lads, we snapped the one the ****ed!" Meaning he knew the thing was stuffed, before he tried to use it in recovery??

Poor Land Rover..

[Ewen]

agree with what was said.. don't need any formal 4x4 training to know everything about it was dangerous. don't know why they didn't just try to dig it out with a shovel and jack lift it before winching..

how would yous have done it?

[newhue]

Sad to say, but I've seen it in Ireland too. The basic problem is, they don't have the same practical experience of vehicle recovery that somebody off-roading in Australia has. There's nowhere you can really go that you are going to get stuck, so the weekend's entertainment is heading off to the local abandoned quarry or mudflat and getting as stuck as possible, and seeing if you can get back out. And sadly, things like "I know the procedure" quite often means "I watched a youtube video of some guy in Australia doing this", or "I read this article in 4x4 Monthly...."

You only have to go to the beach on any given weekend in Aus and you will find people (mostly young) snatching off a tow ball.
I think they figure it's made to tow/carry a heavy weight, it kind of has a ball on top to keep the strap on, so it's obvious we can use it.
It amazes me they have 10 to 30K to buy the car, but not $80 to buy a decedent shackle and receiver.

It wasn't so long a go (<12 months) in Australia a young fella died from a tow ball going through the window on a snatch rope.