Repainting a 130.

[VladTepes]

I'm almost afraid to ask but nevertheless...

What's involved in repainting a Defender 130.
Say from white to a darker colour (red, for the sake of argument).

[incisor]

spending money.... on something other than rifles and the better half...

:D:D:D:D:D

[VladTepes]

Well it's nothing likely in teh short term but I just a trying to figure out whether its worth doing (coz I have sme evil plans) or not. You see i really WANT to but need to know whats involved.

[FenianEel]

I'm almost afraid to ask but nevertheless...

What's involved in repainting a Defender 130.
Say from white to a darker colour (red, for the sake of argument).

About 4 hours and 6 or 7 spraycans, or 2 litres a bucket and a cleanish roller:twisted:

[isuzurover]

If you can do it yourself, about $500 in consumables and lots of labour.

If you pay someone to do it properly, at least $4k.

Why not use this as a chance to buy a compressor and some painting gear, read and practice, then DIY when ready.

[Ranga]

How about some rose coloured glasses?

[The ho har's]

HH said to smear the windows and anything else you don't want paint to stick to with Vaseline and buy some cheap enamel paint and a $35.00 gun from super cheap:p:wasntme:


Or get a professional to do it for around $5,000.00..he is prepared to do it in 2012:o

Oh and why Red, you know it is the most expensive automotive paint;)

yeh I know no help:)

Mrs hh:angel:

[zuno555]

Depends if you want a show car finish or not? If you want high gloss? If your panels are nice and straight? Darker colours show up imperfections more.

Quite a reasonable job can be done in your own garage, with a fair bit of elbow grease. Orbital sander makes life easier. Make sure temperatures when spraying are ideal.

It really is pretty easy, just time consuming. That is the same for working on cars in general tho, and of course at the end of the job you can sit back and admire your work (and say I'm never doing that again) haha :)

[VladTepes]

Not Red. I was just using that as an example - I mean a DARKER colour than white. I just wanted to distinguish it from renewing the original paint (eg white on white) so dont worry im not about to devalue your red 130 !

[iPom]

If you eventually end up doing it your self......Preparation..Preparation...Preparation.. .Ad Nauseam..

[Marshall]

Exactly what ipom said...
Remember the 7 P's
Prior Preperation & Planning Prevents **** Poor Performance.
Painting is the easy bit, but if you don't do some basics like removing indicators etc (not just taping them up) then you will always look at it and think that's crap!
For a semi decent job, allow a few days just for prep work and get yourself a cheap compressor and give it a go! (you can do the inside of the doors etc with a brush)
For a really good job, get someone to remove the glass prior to painting... but it is a defender don't forget;)
Good luck and don't forget the rules! (Photo's!)

[OLR-067]

Spraying a car is not a problem...it's the prep that's the pain, looking at your 130 at DD it should be an easy prep. Do you want to do interior and engine bay as well or just exterior.The most important thing is to have a very clean area, low humidity still day, wax remove everything(then do again)and a clean gun and lines and hot dry couple of days after to bake.

If you need to know somone in Redcliffe let me know.

cheers
paul

[iPom]

Do not use 2K paint, use Acrylic...more room for error afterwards and thoroughly wet the floor around the car to keep the dust down whilst your spraying.......

Take your time with masking out...and if you can remove anything do so...try and push the windows rubber back into the window surround rebate with a blunt screwdriver or similar...saves getting a poxy paint edge on the rubber...

[isuzurover]

Do not use 2K paint, use Acrylic...

Bugger that... I would NEVER use acrylic on a landy. 2K is fairly easy to paint, about a million times more durable, and is shiny off the gun (no buffing).

If anyone is serious about learning how, look for the posts by Bru21 on outerlimits, he has painted heaps of cars with 2K, and has posted heaps of detailled instructions.

[iPom]

Have a read of this (http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg388.pdf)

[iPom]

And maybe this (http://www.sp2.org/newsletters/sp2vol1iss8/sp2vol1iss8topic.php)

[Bundalene]

IMHO 2 pack or 2K paint is far more scratch resistant than Acrylic. I wouldn't use anything else. I also use a 2 pack Hifill underneath to get a consistant final colour.

Changing colours can be quite a challange, how far do you go and what will still be visible of the old colour when you open a door or bonnet.



An rough guide of costs.

4l good quality 2K Hifill with hardener $150
2 l 2K base coat with 4l base coat reducer $200
2l 2K Clear coat with hardener $200

Then you need other consumables such as thinners, gun wash, paper, masking tape, filler and hardener, prepsol, .......

IMHO if you undertake such a task it pays to use reasonable good paint.

Another suggestion would be to do all the prep work yourself and have a panel beater do the final painting in a booth.

Erich

[iPom]

I do agree that 2K is a more durable product and is glossy off the gun....but if you're not a competent spray painter....well acrylic is the way to go...it's just more forgiving for a novice painter which I assume the original poster is?

2K is better off being applied in a spray booth by a competent hand and baked off rather than in yer backyard with the kids watching....

[isuzurover]

in yer backyard with the kids watching....

You work for Today Tonight do you??? talk about sensationalism...

Yes - 2K is an isocyanate based paint which is a neurotoxin and a very good respirator of appropriate type should be worn while spraying. Anyone else should be as far away as possible (upwind). However it is legal to spray outside a booth.

Have you ever tried sanding and buffing all the intricate shapes on a landie sprayed with acrylic??? Especially if sprayed by a beginner and piled high with overspray. I think you would need rocks in your head to paint a landie with acrylic. And then you would have to do it all again after a couple of years in the bush being scraped by lantana.

[spudboy]

.... 2K is fairly easy to paint, about a million times more durable, and is shiny off the gun (no buffing).


If you go down the 2 pack route, make sure you use the proper respirator so you don't breathe any of it in....

[Dave_S]

As an alternative to fresh paint, how about going the classic 3M look?

Get some stiff paper or light cardboard and cut out templates for each panel. Then lay them all flat and work out the surface area. Get online and order the same amount of woodgrain finished self adhesive industrial vinyl and some good quality stanley knives and scissors.

Once you've cut it all to shape, lay it in the sun for a while, then apply it panel by panel. It will look very, very different and you'll be able to tell everyone that you have the biggest woody in Australia. :D

[Scouse]

Get some stiff paper or light cardboard and cut out templates for each panel. Then lay them all flat and work out the surface area. Get online and order the same amount of woodgrain finished self adhesive industrial vinyl and some good quality stanley knives and scissors.

Once you've cut it all to shape, lay it in the sun for a while, then apply it panel by panel. It will look very, very different and you'll be able to tell everyone that you have the biggest woody in Australia. :DOne of the Volvo techs here did that to his Volvo. Matt black & wood panelling on the sides.
It only lasted a few months before it started to peel off so now it's Matt Black with fluoro green highlighting.

Another tech has done his Volvo in the 'bowling' look. Luggage rack on the boot, c/w old suitcase. Hat on the parcel shelf. I don't think the dropped to the ground look & moons quite fit though.
Before that, he'd used black/white chequered lino on the roof to give it that classic racing car look.

[isuzurover]

If you go down the 2 pack route, make sure you use the proper respirator so you don't breathe any of it in....

Is there an echo in here. Read the post above yours... ;)





As an alternative to fresh paint, how about going the classic 3M look?

Get some stiff paper or light cardboard and cut out templates for each panel. Then lay them all flat and work out the surface area. Get online and order the same amount of woodgrain finished self adhesive industrial vinyl and some good quality stanley knives and scissors.

Once you've cut it all to shape, lay it in the sun for a while, then apply it panel by panel. It will look very, very different and you'll be able to tell everyone that you have the biggest woody in Australia. :D

You going to do that to the 110 as well Dave? Then you can say you have the 2nd biggest woody in Australia :D

[cal415]

For painting 2k, what kind of breathing/protective gear is needed? and where could i get it from? I've never sprayed 2k before but done a bit of painting so hopefully i can get a reasonable finish when its time to paint my county.

[isuzurover]

For painting 2k, what kind of breathing/protective gear is needed? and where could i get it from? I've never sprayed 2k before but done a bit of painting so hopefully i can get a reasonable finish when its time to paint my county.

If you can spray enamel then you can spray 2K. It is quite similar.

Ideally, Air Supplied Breathing Apparatus (ASBA) or a powered respirator. However most people seem top use the dual cartridge respirators which have a combined cartridge for particulates and vapours.

If you go to a safety shop they should be able to sell you what you need.

I recommend searching for and reading Bru21's how-to posts on outerlimits.

[spudboy]

For painting 2k, what kind of breathing/protective gear is needed? and where could i get it from?

If you go to your local crash repair supply shop they will carry them, so probably the same place you are getting your paint from.

[Bundalene]

I use a unit with 3 separate filters within the mask (SR90-2). This works very well for myself. I bought this from an automotive paint supplier.

There are lots of different types available. This mask cost me about $140 a while ago, worth every cent.




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Erich

[isuzurover]

I use a unit with 3 separate filters within the mask (SR90-2). This works very well for myself. I bought this from an automotive paint supplier.

There are lots of different types available. This mask cost me about $140 a while ago, worth every cent.




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Erich


A short note on respirators. If you have a beard or stubble they are next to useless (many studies have proven this).

If you are unwilling to shave, then the only option is an positive pressure device (e.g. ASBA).

You can test the seal on a respirator like the one above - either using the proper test device or blocking the filter with your hand and trying to breathe in. If the respirator does not seal properly against your face it won't be doing much (if anything).