dude bought a LEMON LANDCRUISER 200 series

[rumman43]

a mate sent me this site that a guy set up regarding his dissatisfaction with his LC200 series..:mad:

poor bugger...

Toyota Landcruiser 200 Series- "Oh what a lemon......" (http://www.ohwhatalemon.com/)

[87County]

glancing through his story it seems that he relies on an indicator (warning light) to show when his engine oil level is getting low !!!!

.... not the way I was brought up - but that was a long time ago I guess , it seems that many new car buyers never lift the bonnet...

Oil use of 500ml per 1000 kms does seems a bit high though....

It must be very nice to have a new motor car, but ...well, "you pays yer money and yer takes yer chances" as they say

I imagine that there's little sympathy from the local consumer affairs department as well

I wonder how carefully he looked at the specs before buying. Does this confirm the rumour that West Aussies are overpaid? ;)

If he'd bought a 15 year old disco for $5000 he wouldn't have had too much of a whinge if it had used a bit of oil - but it probably wouldn't have used that much anyway

[Ean Austral]

Think its shame full on Toyota's behalf and the dealership as well..

Years ago I bought a used pajero from john hughes in perth and got to Pemberton and pulled in for fuel and checked the oil and it was on the low mark,I rang and complained and they said to bring the car into the dealership, done a full service, gave me an independent report on the car and a full tank of fuel for my trouble...

shame that the next car I bought from a dealer was a Disco, and got the same treatment that Toyota bloke is getting...Wouldn't reccommend that L/rover dealer in Perth to anyone, and when my wifes dad bought his Disco we ordered from east and sent it to Perth..

From what I hear from some people in Darwin , he's not the only 1 with all those complaints..

good on him for having the balls to let people know of his expierience..

Cheers Ean

[MickS]

Don't worry..there's plenty of D2 owners who can tell you a tale about lemons...

[OLR-067]

Good read his site...makes the Puma look value for money:o

[rumman43]

Go to the link MORE COMPLAINTS..some doozee's there..

[Mick_Marsh]

Thanks for this thread.
My current boss has an earlier model Landcruiser. He has similar issues with it. I joined a Landcruiser forum (thinking they'd be similar to this one) and posted the question. I was ignored (or there is really no one on it and they're fictitious users and posts).
This thread has pointed me in a better, more helpful direction.
Who'd of thought a Landrover forum would have helped me with a Landcruiser question.

[PAT303]

I feel for them,100K down and nothing but issue's:(.Oh well,my Tdi clicked over 440,000 trouble free K's on the weekend loaded up with the last of my gear from Kalgoorlie:cool:. Pat

[Fluids]

Did you happen to look at the Links page ?

Landroverhell.com

Land Rover Discovery Review (Reviews) and Report, Land Rover Discovery Recall (http://www.landroverhell.com/)

[OldGreyGuy]

I joined a Landcruiser forum (thinking they'd be similar to this one) and posted the question. I was ignored (or there is really no one on it and they're fictitious users and posts).
There is one particular Landcruiser forum that deletes posts and wipes users that have a contrary view to the owner/moderator or a couple of the folks who advertise there, this has happened in particular with one of my mates who offered an opposing view to someone who was pontificating loud and long about an issue yet was clearly wrong. Opposing views were deleted and accounts wiped. Rather sad really.

On the other hand anyone with a Toyota Prado or has mates with one should head over to Pradopoint, as friendly as this forum and good value too.

[inside]

Oil consumption aside the number one reason not to buy a 200 is the poor payload. When a Landcruiser can only carry 30kg more than a Freelander 2 you've got to wonder about the so called "touhgness".

[Celtoid]

Did you happen to look at the Links page ?

Landroverhell.com

Land Rover Discovery Review (Reviews) and Report, Land Rover Discovery Recall (http://www.landroverhell.com/)


Yup, looked at this before I bought my D4....yes I bought one. Have had a couple of ****y, annoying issues but the car has not stopped in 12 months, even after a seriously hard hit in an off road incident. It is a phenomenal car. After driving it, I'm unimpressed with just about everything I ride in now.

I trawled through the comments on that site and out of all the threads posted, there are more issues with **** customer service or ignorance than actual technical faults. How many D3, D4s and RRS are on the road? I haven't owned a single car (and there have been a lot) that hasn't had issues and 80% of the time the service departments that I dealt with needed 'attitude re-calibrations'. Fortunately I have never owned a 'Lemon'....but we know every brand has them!

Interesting that a lot of the complaints are in foriegn lands.

Interesting that there are faults recorded here that not a single owner on the ALRO have reported. Why is that?

Once again the JD Powers type stats rate a mention....same stats that would record the service warning constantly coming on after 6 months. The manual doesn't mention it but it's a LR money spinner for the non mandatory 'health check'. BS?...yes...but an issue?...no! Same stats that record a run of broken light fittings or squeaky suspension rubbers....annoying?...yes, stop me buying an awesome vehicle?....no chance!

I wonder how much of the same crap is on the Toyo sites......as much as it makes me smile....:)

Cheers,

Kev.

[rijidij]

Need a caption for this :D

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1356.jpg

[Celtoid]

Need a caption for this :D

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1356.jpg

That's a cracker....:D

[V8Ian]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1356.jpgNow with optional engine lubrication.

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Need a caption for this :D

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1356.jpg

Oil, it's a leaking

Toymota!!

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Toyota Tech Bulletin 678.98

Oils aint oils!

[Bigbjorn]

Are these people serious? They are using 500 mls of oil in 1000 k's and they call that oil consumption! Obviously they were not driving in the 50's and 60's when a pint to 1000 miles was considered quite normal consumption for an engine in good condition. Most owners would not have been at all concerned about a quart in 1000 miles. Normal oil change interval then was 1000 miles for most cars and no-one worried about oil consumption if you did not have to add oil between changes. Do you remember servos having racks of pint and quart oil bottles out on the driveway next to the pumps?

[Grumndriva]

I particularly liked the comment about it being Toyota's fault that he lost his two remotes!

[Fluids]

Need a caption for this :D

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1356.jpg


TOYOTA ... Now with extended oil drain intervals ! :eek:

[isuzurover]

Are these people serious? They are using 500 mls of oil in 1000 k's and they call that oil consumption! Obviously they were not driving in the 50's and 60's when a pint to 1000 miles was considered quite normal consumption for an engine in good condition. Most owners would not have been at all concerned about a quart in 1000 miles. Normal oil change interval then was 1000 miles for most cars and no-one worried about oil consumption if you did not have to add oil between changes. Do you remember servos having racks of pint and quart oil bottles out on the driveway next to the pumps?


Unlike you Brian, the rest of the world has moved on since the 1950s. Most (good) cars in the '80s, '90s and '00s used <100 ml per 10000km.


Edit - besides which - the toyota engines use ~33% more than your "pint per 1000 miles". So acceptable oil consumption has increased by 33% in the last 60 years???

[spudboy]

Yeah - these days an engine should not be using that much oil. Maybe LC200's use short skirted pistons which flap around more, ending up making the bores oval....

That guy has had a rough run - no wonder he made a web site. Interesting comments added by other owners too. Mostly the gripes are about the reaction by Toyota to the problems.

[Celtoid]

Guess you never need to change the oil, as it's continuously replenished.....LOL ;)

[DeanoH]

Interesting where 4WD motoring is heading. Toyotas V8 diesel has been a disaster, not to mention weak diffs, poor load carrying and 100mm track difference on 70 series. Nissan, with probably the worst diesel engine in 4WD history, have given up and are going fuel guzzling petrol V8 only on its Patrols. Landrover has got the Ford Transit engine and all its woes.:( Makes me glad I've got the OKA with its trusty Perkins.:)

Deano:)

[mike 90 RR]

I particularly liked the comment about it being Toyota's fault that he lost his two remotes!

Yea .. there is a few comments that show up the ignorance of the owners ... Especially the comments about the seats ... It's as tho they just walked in the showroom floor and just signed on the dotted line ... THEN went for the test drive :eek:

[PAT303]

A mate of mine worked for Toyota for years and he told me many times that people would walk in and buy one without even driving one or driving anything else,it's a Toyota so it must be the best.I wouldn't worry about overloading one,it's a physical impossibility for a person over 8 to fit in the third row seats. Pat

[banarcus]

What a sook. Who would spend $87k and then whinge about the seats? I bet he doesn't know what a dipstick looks like either.

For what it's worth, my D2 V8 leaks less than what his motor is consuming.

There are many similar threads around in internetworld about other makes and models and their gripes with service managers etc.

[Hoges]

the Weekend Australian motoring column by John Connelly is always an interesting (quirky) read. Last week he was talking about taxpayers propping up the local car "assembly" industry and mentioned that the Landcruiser V8 (diesel) has been a "disaster" in the mines. Apparently toyota won't supply the 6 cyl version to the Australian market, so a local motor vehicle private importer/exporter has been given an order for 200 6 cyl variants and he's wondering how to get them into Oz... he may even have to buy them o/seas, disassemble them, send the bits as "parts" on different ships and reassemble them here... so much for sacred cows and bureaucracy:eek::wasntme:
Then again I wonder if he's wasting his time...i.e would the 6 cyl version be any better...
Now, 200 130s might be a better proposition!:D

[PAT303]

The difference between the two is chalk and cheese,the 1HD-FTE is one of the best T/D's around,good power with good economy.The V8 doesn't have either. Pat

[spudboy]

...Now, 200 130s might be a better proposition!:D

No Airbags. No go in a mine site.....

[Hoges]

Unlike you Brian, the rest of the world has moved on since the 1950s. Most (good) cars in the '80s, '90s and '00s used <100 ml per 10000km.
Edit - besides which - the toyota engines use ~33% more than your "pint per 1000 miles". So acceptable oil consumption has increased by 33% in the last 60 years???

Is really this true? ...the apparent lack of oil consumption between changes is most often due to fuel dilution in the sump caused by "blow by" given that many cars travel only in stop/start peak hour conditions. The blowby vapours condense in the sump as the engine rarely reaches proper operating temperature.

When the vehicle is given a good run ... say a couple of hundred km in one hop, suddenly the oil levels drop significantly as the condensates in the sump evaporate and are consumed in the engine by PCV system...

Further, in an effort to chase mandated fuel efficiency improvements, some manufacturers have built engines with max tolerances, which, coupled with very low viscosity oils to reduce friction...the result is increased oil consumption. The GM LSx series V8 is a good (notorious) example... (google LS1...oil consumption, piston slap...etc )

Some of the oil consumption figures quoted do seem extraordinarily high however for modern engines...

[scarry]

I wonder how much of the same crap is on the Toyo sites......as much as it makes me smile....:)

Cheers,

Kev.

I signed up on the Toyota owners club Australia site to try & find out a bit of info on the Hi ace,no point on looking,nothing to learn on the site at all,just a load of garbage.:(
Anyway,if you go to the LC 200 section,there are pages & pages of complaints....:D,makes for interesting reading

[Bigbjorn]

Unlike you Brian, the rest of the world has moved on since the 1950s. Most (good) cars in the '80s, '90s and '00s used <100 ml per 10000km.


Edit - besides which - the toyota engines use ~33% more than your "pint per 1000 miles". So acceptable oil consumption has increased by 33% in the last 60 years???

Isuzurover, a pint per 1000 miles was considered good and a quart per 1000 not too bad. And these were petrol engines that don't normally use a lot of oil if in good condition. These Toyota people are complaining about a mere 17 ozs. in 630 miles. If they are running out of oil and shagging engines it is their own bloody fault for not lifting the bonnet and pulling the dipstick regularly. I sacked truck drivers for less.

I am sure you are aware that the stuff in a diesel's sump is not much different to the stuff in the fuel tank and a diesel will run quite handily on lube oil.

I have owned many diesels from an LR 2.25 to Detroit 8V92TA's and maintained and overhauled a few that were just a bit bigger in ships and power stations and the like. If any diesel engines I owned were not using a bit of oil when working, then I would suspect they were topping their own sump up with unburnt distillate and get an oil analysis.

I remember a standby gen set, 2500 hp, whose operating instructions mentioned acceptable oil consumption up to 16 lbs./ hour under rated load. Two gallons or 9 litres. It did have a 90 gallon dry sump tank. Oil to be checked every shift.

[INter674]

Don't worry..there's plenty of D2 owners who can tell you a tale about lemons...

...and D1s and RRs and Freelanders too!!:eek:

[mattg]

...and D1s and RRs and Freelanders too!!:eek:


And Commodores and Falcons and Patrols and Landcruisers.

IMHO

[DeanoH]

Isuzurover, a pint per 1000 miles was considered good and a quart per 1000 not too bad. And these were petrol engines that don't normally use a lot of oil if in good condition. These Toyota people are complaining about a mere 17 ozs. in 630 miles. If they are running out of oil and shagging engines it is their own bloody fault for not lifting the bonnet and pulling the dipstick regularly. I sacked truck drivers for less.

I am sure you are aware that the stuff in a diesel's sump is not much different to the stuff in the fuel tank and a diesel will run quite handily on lube oil.
I have owned many diesels from an LR 2.25 to Detroit 8V92TA's and maintained and overhauled a few that were just a bit bigger in ships and power stations and the like. If any diesel engines I owned were not using a bit of oil when working, then I would suspect they were topping their own sump up with unburnt distillate and get an oil analysis.

I remember a standby gen set, 2500 hp, whose operating instructions mentioned acceptable oil consumption up to 16 lbs./ hour under rated load. Two gallons or 9 litres. It did have a 90 gallon dry sump tank. Oil to be checked every shift.

What's your point ?


Originally Posted by PAT303

The difference between the two is chalk and cheese,the 1HD-FTE is one of the best T/D's around,good power with good economy.The V8 doesn't have either. Pat.

Exactly.

Deano:)

[Ace]

Me thinks that alot more people suffer issues with Toyota's than people really know. Land Rover owners tend to voice their opinion much more on the internet. Toyota either stick their head in the sand or they do sneaky warranty work when its in for a service so you never really know it was a problem. How else would they keep this so call awsome reliability reputation.

[Ean Austral]

Isuzurover, a pint per 1000 miles was considered good and a quart per 1000 not too bad. And these were petrol engines that don't normally use a lot of oil if in good condition. These Toyota people are complaining about a mere 17 ozs. in 630 miles. If they are running out of oil and shagging engines it is their own bloody fault for not lifting the bonnet and pulling the dipstick regularly. I sacked truck drivers for less.

I am sure you are aware that the stuff in a diesel's sump is not much different to the stuff in the fuel tank and a diesel will run quite handily on lube oil.

I have owned many diesels from an LR 2.25 to Detroit 8V92TA's and maintained and overhauled a few that were just a bit bigger in ships and power stations and the like. If any diesel engines I owned were not using a bit of oil when working, then I would suspect they were topping their own sump up with unburnt distillate and get an oil analysis.

I remember a standby gen set, 2500 hp, whose operating instructions mentioned acceptable oil consumption up to 16 lbs./ hour under rated load. Two gallons or 9 litres. It did have a 90 gallon dry sump tank. Oil to be checked every shift.


Without getting to far off the subject, I personally dont agree with the assumption that all deisel engines should and do use oil..

Our C series 8.6ltr gen set on the Austral has just done 50,000hrs over the last 10yrs, running non-stop, only time it was stopped was to change oil or the end of the season, it had oil sample's every 500hrs and only once had a trace of fuel dilution, that engine never burnt or used oil till it got to 49,000hrs and it uses about 2 ltrs every 10days of non- stop running.

I am stripping it down in january to see what wear it has, but if my engines start using anymore than 1-2ltrs between services(500hrs) then I start looking for leaks etc.

If I paid $87,000 for any modern motor car and it used any oil then they would be getting it back..


Cheers Ean

[isuzurover]

Isuzurover, a pint per 1000 miles was considered good and a quart per 1000 not too bad. And these were petrol engines that don't normally use a lot of oil if in good condition. These Toyota people are complaining about a mere 17 ozs. in 630 miles. If they are running out of oil and shagging engines it is their own bloody fault for not lifting the bonnet and pulling the dipstick regularly. I sacked truck drivers for less.

I am sure you are aware that the stuff in a diesel's sump is not much different to the stuff in the fuel tank and a diesel will run quite handily on lube oil.

I have owned many diesels from an LR 2.25 to Detroit 8V92TA's and maintained and overhauled a few that were just a bit bigger in ships and power stations and the like. If any diesel engines I owned were not using a bit of oil when working, then I would suspect they were topping their own sump up with unburnt distillate and get an oil analysis.

I remember a standby gen set, 2500 hp, whose operating instructions mentioned acceptable oil consumption up to 16 lbs./ hour under rated load. Two gallons or 9 litres. It did have a 90 gallon dry sump tank. Oil to be checked every shift.


I take all this irrelevant drivel to mean that you are:

(a) stick in 1954
(b) off with the fairies
(c) off your meds

Ship and heavy truck diesels are irrelevant. We are talking cars and light 4x4s here. Plenty of fleet and domestic users do oil analysis.

e.g. my 3.9 never shows fuel dilution on the oil analysis. I check the dipstick regularly and have a graduated catch can below my Provent. With 380k km on the clock, I used less than 125 ml over 15k km.

The 3.9 is by no means atypical.

[PAT303]

Isuzurover, a pint per 1000 miles was considered good and a quart per 1000 not too bad. And these were petrol engines that don't normally use a lot of oil if in good condition. These Toyota people are complaining about a mere 17 ozs. in 630 miles. If they are running out of oil and shagging engines it is their own bloody fault for not lifting the bonnet and pulling the dipstick regularly. I sacked truck drivers for less.

I am sure you are aware that the stuff in a diesel's sump is not much different to the stuff in the fuel tank and a diesel will run quite handily on lube oil.

I have owned many diesels from an LR 2.25 to Detroit 8V92TA's and maintained and overhauled a few that were just a bit bigger in ships and power stations and the like. If any diesel engines I owned were not using a bit of oil when working, then I would suspect they were topping their own sump up with unburnt distillate and get an oil analysis.

I remember a standby gen set, 2500 hp, whose operating instructions mentioned acceptable oil consumption up to 16 lbs./ hour under rated load. Two gallons or 9 litres. It did have a 90 gallon dry sump tank. Oil to be checked every shift.

If an engine uses enough oil to cause the light to come on between services it's stuffed,it's that simple.If I spent $100,000 on a new 4WD and had to top the oil up every 5k I would make the dealer fit a new engine or I'd take court action and paint it yellow. Pat

[Grumbles]

From memory [dangerous I know...lol] but didn't VW have trouble with engines going pop in their Touaregs when they were first released here due to the engines using oil and Aussie owners with new cars who were and are unaccustomed to regular oil level checks on new cars.

[VladTepes]

I posted the LC200 thing on another forum and you cannot even begin to imagine the vitriol that has been coming my way.

and they reckon LR owners are defensive !

[PAT303]

From memory [dangerous I know...lol] but didn't VW have trouble with engines going pop in their Touaregs when they were first released here due to the engines using oil and Aussie owners with new cars who were and are unaccustomed to regular oil level checks on new cars.
They were dumping thier power steering fluid,haven't heard anything about the engines. Pat

[ozscott]

These tubs of lard have been causing owners angst for a while - eg:

Oil consumption and driveshaft clunking in Landcruiser 200 - Toyota Owners Club - Australia (http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php'showtopic=14715)

Cheers

[Celtoid]

And Commodores and Falcons and Patrols and Landcruisers.

IMHO

Oh, I had a VT Series 1 Exec Bombadore and a Series 2 Berlina.....I thought that they were great....for what they were....had a few issues that were age related but other than that, never missed a beat......

[ozscott]

I have had a much better run from my 02 D2 from new than from my 98 VT from new even though the D2 has much higher miles and tows a lot heavier weights.

The VT - S V6 Manual was plagued by bad brakes - the disc rotors warped when the moon was full. GMH were upset cause they usually put people off by saying that the driver was at fault for heavy braking...then they saw that my pads were still originals at 80,000k....they had to cough up many times over that. When traded (on the D2) at 110,000 it had had the air conditioner condenser pump replaced, disc rotors several times, windscreen wiper arms failed causing screen damage - replacement for both; some roughness when cold - I think the coil packs were getting close to going to lunch; the radio screen readout failed completely.

Cheers

[Camo]

Oh, I had a VT Series 1 Exec Bombadore and a Series 2 Berlina.....I thought that they were great....for what they were....had a few issues that were age related but other than that, never missed a beat......

True that

Ive had my VYSS with the 5.7 from new.. Now 8 years old with 160k's on it.. never had one thing go wrong with it..(except a clutch at 140k). Everything still works perfect on it..Suprising as I thrash the crap out of it. Each year I say I will upgrade to something nice like an L322 but cannot justify it as the commodore is so reliable. One day I will get my L322 when I am prepared to spend money fixing cars

Camo

[PAT303]

Your in the minority.Both the bomberdoor and foulcan deserve thier reputation.My L322 hasn't missed a beat if that helps. Pat

[Grumbles]

That's pretty harsh Pat. I ran an NL Fairlane for 10 years and just over 200 thousand kays and it was only in its last 12 months that it gave a couple of hiccups -and nothing major then either. My current XR 6 hasn't put a foot wrong in its 30 thousand kays. :D

[PAT303]

My misses worked for the Alloy smelter at Kurri Kurri,they had about 40 of them and twice I had to pick her up because the POS broke down,the second time she was picking up her boss because his stopped and she went to rescue him only for me to rescue both of them in my VW.At any time at least half a dozen of them didn't work. Pat

[jx2mad]

I can't repost the picture but my caption is.....OH NO! The oil pump has gone now!!

[DrWho]

a mate sent me this site that a guy set up regarding his dissatisfaction with his LC200 series..:mad:

poor bugger...

Toyota Landcruiser 200 Series- "Oh what a lemon......" (http://www.ohwhatalemon.com/)

This is old news isn't it...? And I'm sure there's a site out there for every manufacturer...

[DrWho]

There is one particular Landcruiser forum that deletes posts and wipes users that have a contrary view to the owner/moderator or a couple of the folks who advertise there, this has happened in particular with one of my mates who offered an opposing view to someone who was pontificating loud and long about an issue yet was clearly wrong. Opposing views were deleted and accounts wiped. Rather sad really.

On the other hand anyone with a Toyota Prado or has mates with one should head over to Pradopoint, as friendly as this forum and good value too.

That'll be LCOOL... happened to me too...

[DeanoH]

I can't repost the picture but my caption is.....OH NO! The oil pump has gone now!!

What, a TD5 ?

Deano:)

[Camo]

Your in the minority.Both the bomberdoor and foulcan deserve thier reputation.My L322 hasn't missed a beat if that helps. Pat

About time I heard a good story regarding the L322

How many k's have you done in the L322? 10,000?:D
Seriously would love to buy an L322 though..damn nice car

Cheers

Camo

[spudboy]

Oh well, if you need some more encouragement, my L322 has been brilliant as well (it is a 2003 Diesel). Glad I had the 5 year warranty to begin with though, as it took a hammering in the first 3 or 4 years :eek: Settled down into a nice reliable vehicle now though.

[PAT303]

About time I heard a good story regarding the L322

How many k's have you done in the L322? 10,000?:D
Seriously would love to buy an L322 though..damn nice car

Cheers

Camo
Mines ticked over 150K,only replaced a flat key fob battery.I have an aurion in the drive way and have had two commodores in the last month,both vehicles and the falcon are built to a price and show it,the L322 isn't.I have noticed as alot of others have how the build quality and quality of the componants on toyota vehicles has gone down markedly in the last 10 years,Subaru unfortunately have also cut costs and it shows too. Pat

[spudboy]

Interestingly, Scouse (or was it DriveSafe?) was saying how they think the earlier L322's are better built than the latest ones, so perhaps it is the way things are in the motor industry all round.

Or maybe they were comparing the L322 'proper' Rangies to the RR Sport build quality.... can't remember exactly.

Anyway - Land Rover is probably trying to save costs like all the others.

[George130]

If an engine uses enough oil to cause the light to come on between services it's stuffed,it's that simple.If I spent $100,000 on a new 4WD and had to top the oil up every 5k I would make the dealer fit a new engine or I'd take court action and paint it yellow. Pat

Yep. I would be screaming in the middle of the showroom.
I would also insist on supervising the mechanic touching it and want to see their quals before they went near it or a total refund.
You start nice with them and once they spit in your face you cut their organs off and show no form of civility.

[Ace]

Oh, I had a VT Series 1 Exec Bombadore and a Series 2 Berlina.....I thought that they were great....for what they were....had a few issues that were age related but other than that, never missed a beat......

I had a 1993 VP 3.8L v6 manual that I bought in 2000, it had 200000km on it when i bought it, i put 135000km on it in a few years and sold it to killer on this forum with 335000km on it. I believe it now has over 400000km on it and still going strong.

Matt