JayBo's 1950 80" S1 project

[JayBoRover]

"I've now bought two series Land Rovers in two weeks! :huh: What's wrong with me Doc?" :wheelchair:

Two weeks ago I bought a LWB S2A as a daily driver and general hack to replace my nice, comfortable, air conditioned, heated, CD player equipped, cruise controlled Nissan ute with slide-on camper. The S2 just needs a few minor tweaks like the steering joints replaced and the handbrake to get working. Simple stuff ... not really much a of a challenge as projects go. So ... look for a series 1.

I looked at a series 1 a few weeks ago and ended up walking away from it. It was a 1953 80" with truck cab but the chassis and firewall rust was very bad and owner's price expectations were unrealistic. Researching it did teach me lots about the early Land Rovers and I loved the look of it so decided I really want an 80" S1 to restore. (Scallops really inspired me with his beautiful car too). :TakeABow:

I have the S2A as a runabout, with a Holden 6 motor in it and on LPG, so mod's can go there while the S1 will be a true restoration ... maybe not fanatically true, but relatively true. The most important thing will be for it to be useable so it gets driven once complete, not squirrelled under wraps. I have plenty of other things going on so the restoration will be a fairly long term project, so don't start reading this if you want to see the result next week .. ain't going to happen:Rolling:!

So here we go...
My first glimpse of the 1950 S1 as I walked in the shed:
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The front looked pretty good apart from one corner missing from the grille.
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Looked pretty good from the back.
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Rear cross member is in almost perfect condition.
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Middle cross member is also very good. I couldn't find any rust beyond very light surface rust anywhere other than a bubble on the very front of the rhs chassis rail.
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The gearbox is still in. The firewall looks good from here and the dash pod is exceptional. The instrument panel is perfect and still has the original gauges and switches all in very good condition.
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The drivers side footwell. I can't imagine it being much better:)
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The fuel tank is still bolted in. I couldn't find any patches on the skin so hopefully the tank is as good as everything else seems to be.
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The tub is in great condition except for the tailgate. The tailgate is pretty knocked about but the owner is throwing in a spare one. Maybe between the two I can get one good one together.
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I didn't get a photo of the two tailgates but they're in the pile of panels in the corner. Door bottoms, door tops, floor panels, seat box lids and a couple of seat backs. The two seat backs are different so one will be right and I'll have to make up or find the others.
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The engine sits on the floor but seems everything is there or in the boxes of parts. The carb, distributor, manifolds, etc are all still on the engine. Other bits like the distributor cap, fuel pump, etc I saw in the boxes.
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Chassis number is R06110036. Interestingly, the actual chassis number is preceded by four numbers: 8454. I've not seen or heard of this before. Any clues for me anyone?
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I won't get it home for a week or two, but that's okay as I have my hands full with the S2A at the moment. I have a couple sets of tie-rod ends on order and a handbrake kit so hopefully I'll get those fitted over the Xmas break. The S1 will just have to sit in the shed for a while but at least it won't be sitting outside and it will get the TLC it needs one day. So check in occasionally and I'll keep you all informed as to progress when I get started. God knows I've really enjoyed some other's threads on their restorations so I look forward to repaying the privilege.
Cheers
John B

[101RRS]

Now thats a whole lot better than the last one - I hope it gives you lots of enjoyment.

Garry

[123rover50]

Looks a beauty. Got the old square sump and all.
The other 4 numbers are called a build number. Mine all have it but not as easy to read as yours.

[Lost Landy]

Thats a great find and a very worthy Landy project, I do hope you buy it.

[JayBoRover]

Thats a great find and a very worthy Landy project, I do hope you buy it.
It's bought:D. Should get it into one of my sheds next weekend.

I'm really excited about the condition of this one. It's going to be a challenge because I haven't done one before and I didn't take this one apart. A steep learning curve in front of me.
Cheers
John B

[JayBoRover]

I picked up a hired car trailer on Friday night from the local servo ... then spent 1 1/2 hours fixing all the lighting and wiring issues with it . I remember now why I bought my trailers years ago, but I've been a motorcycle racer most of life and never needed a car trailer before. Even a S1 80" won't fit on my own trailer. So I went and picked up 06110036 yesterday morning. (Sounds like one of the Beagle Boys - must be a cousin from down-under). Here she is on the trailer ready to leave her old home:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/850.jpg

So now I have two Landys at home (... and a Nissan ute hopefully not hanging around too long):
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/851.jpg

We stuck the engine at the front of the trailer, then rolled the chassis on with just the bulkhead, front guards, radiator, front grille and the bonnet. We then sat the tub in place and piled on a heap of parts like the door lowers and uppers, spare tailgates, the transmission tunnel and other assorted panels. The seat box also just got placed where it normally goes. Then tied the whole thing down so it wouldn't move too much.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/852.jpg

Final bits like the windscreen, grille and a couple of tubs of parts went on the tray of the ute.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/853.jpg

A good friend came around to help me get her off the trailer and now she sits under cover until I can get my new shed built. I'm planning on 200m2 shed - 20m x 10m. That should do it ... for a start.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/854.jpg

A couple of interesting things I discovered today in the process of collecting her and putting her away. I hadn't thought about the transmission tunnel when i viewed the car so was happy to find it in vey good condition.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/855.jpg

Likewise for the windscreen that I hadn't spotted previously. It's also in good condition although I'm not sure about the windscreen wiper motor. The shaft was a bit rusty so there's a good chance that'll need some work.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/856.jpg

The door tops I'd only seen leaning in a pile of stuff and hadn't got to look at them really well. One still has the perspex windows but the other doesn't. A bigger issue is that they are both lhs door tops. Bugger.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/857.jpg

The instrument dash is missing one gauge. I'm pretty sure it's an ammeter so I'll have to do some research and add it to the shopping list. I've also since been told that the dash is from a later model S1 as the oil light is the incorrect size. This is where I'll stick to my statement of going for a "faithful" restoration as opposed to a "fanatical" restoration. I can live with it.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/666.jpg

There is still a key in the ignition and the number stamped on the key is matched by the same number on the ignition barrel. "MRN 1". Seems this likely to be the original key. It even has "Made in England" on the other side. That was be a bonus I wasn't expecting.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/858.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/859.jpg

More a bit later.
Cheers
John B

[JayBoRover]

The thermostat housing is pretty corroded at the pipe connection, but that was to be expected. Actually, it's not as bad as I would have expected for a 60 year old car so maybe it's been replaced before or otherwise it looks promising for the rest of the motor internals.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/667.jpg

The rubber mount pad for the fuel pump is badly "damaged" - I'm guessing by high temperatures.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/890.jpg

I've now been over the chassis fairly thoroughly and this is the only real rust I can find externally.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/891.jpg

Oh yeah - and confirmation of a "sideplate engine", so predates the chassis.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/892.jpg

So there's a shallow but wide dent in the rhs fender ...:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/893.jpg
... and a couple of small dents in the lhs fender but only one that is at the top on the curve that will take a bit of work.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/894.jpg

The seat box is pretty good, although I couldn't get the fuel tank filler nozzle to come up and the chain from the fuel cap has unclipped from the tab.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/895.jpg

The passengers side is pretty good too. The hinged lid is good and the clasp clip still works. The small slide plate for the power take-off inspection hatch is missing, but might well be in the tubs of miscellaneous parts.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/896.jpg

The bonnet is fairly good with a decent sized but shallow dent on the passengers side that doesn't look like it'll be too much trouble. I was happy to see the bonnet "rod"(?) (or "holder-upper-thingamajig"?) is there complete with the storage position clip on the inner guard.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/897.jpg

Just an empty hole under the bonnet though.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/898.jpg

We didn't manage to get the steering wheel off the other column that was in the shed where I bought the Landy. It was damaged but would have been good to have for a start, even if it was a '57 or something. So I'll be looking for a steering wheel at some stage too. The list has started.

Cheers
John B

[digger]

I picked up a hired car trailer on Friday night from the local servo ... then spent 1 1/2 hours fixing all the lighting and wiring issues with it . I remember now why I bought my trailers years ago, but I've been a motorcycle racer most of life and never needed a car trailer before. Even a S1 80" won't fit on my own trailer. So I went and picked up 06110036 yesterday morning. (Sounds like one of the Beagle Boys - must be a cousin from down-under). Here she is on the trailer ready to leave her old home:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/850.jpg

So now I have two Landys at home (... and a Nissan ute hopefully not hanging around too long):
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/851.jpg

We stuck the engine at the front of the trailer, then rolled the chassis on with just the bulkhead, front guards, radiator, front grille and the bonnet. We then sat the tub in place and piled on a heap of parts like the door lowers and uppers, spare tailgates, the transmission tunnel and other assorted panels. The seat box also just got placed where it normally goes. Then tied the whole thing down so it wouldn't move too much.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/852.jpg

Final bits like the windscreen, grille and a couple of tubs of parts went on the tray of the ute.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/853.jpg

A good friend came around to help me get her off the trailer and now she sits under cover until I can get my new shed built. I'm planning on 200m2 shed - 20m x 10m. That should do it ... for a start.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/854.jpg

A couple of interesting things I discovered today in the process of collecting her and putting her away. I hadn't thought about the transmission tunnel when i viewed the car so was happy to find it in vey good condition.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/855.jpg

Likewise for the windscreen that I hadn't spotted previously. It's also in good condition although I'm not sure about the windscreen wiper motor. The shaft was a bit rusty so there's a good chance that'll need some work.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/856.jpg

The door tops I'd only seen leaning in a pile of stuff and hadn't got to look at them really well. One still has the perspex windows but the other doesn't. A bigger issue is that they are both lhs door tops. Bugger.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/857.jpg

The instrument dash is missing one gauge. I'm pretty sure it's an ammeter so I'll have to do some research and add it to the shopping list. I've also since been told that the dash is from a later model S1 as the oil light is the incorrect size. This is where I'll stick to my statement of going for a "faithful" restoration as opposed to a "fanatical" restoration. I can live with it.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/666.jpg

There is still a key in the ignition and the number stamped on the key is matched by the same number on the ignition barrel. "MRN 1". Seems this likely to be the original key. It even has "Made in England" on the other side. That was be a bonus I wasn't expecting.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/858.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/859.jpg

More a bit later.
Cheers
John B

mate I hope if you get a copy of that key made they give you discount on the cutting!!

[chris1983rangie]

hi congrats with oyu new beast, looks in goo dcondition especially that bulkhead and front guards! will be watching your thread closely! i will be starting my 80" mid next year! keep the pics comming!

Cheers,

Chris;)

[JayBoRover]

mate I hope if you get a copy of that key made they give you discount on the cutting!!
:D Good call! Nothing wrong with your eye for detail. Do you reckon they charge "by the cut"?:confused:

The key is actually slightly bent, so a copy would be a good idea for general use, so you got me thinking. I'm thinking along the lines of restoring the whole car but leaving that key exactly like it is. Would be kinda "right" to have everything mint but that key in the ignition for a link to it's origins and a permanent reminder for me as to what it was like when I started.:cool:

Cheers
John B

[numpty]

Nice find. I haven't looked at one for a while, but if it is an early 50 with wide tub transom, then the early seatbacks (pointed ones) apply. Narrow transom has square backs.

Look forward to pics of progress.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

John

Nice find, just a couple of bits of info. The side plate engines were used up as they built the engines and there seem to be a mix of core plug and side plate engines going in right into 1950. But at 0611... yours would have been much later than any others so you are probably correct in suggesting it's an earlier engine.

The build number (as Lost landy mentioned) is the serial number stamped at the chassis manufacturing plant. The Chassis or Car number is only stamped as the vehicle is being assembled from the various components.

Be a bit careful when registering, as one of our LROC members on Historic Rego has the build number included in the rego papers. The inspector obviously didn't realise.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

<snip> ....
The instrument dash is missing one gauge. I'm pretty sure it's an ammeter so I'll have to do some research and add it to the shopping list. I've also since been told that the dash is from a later model S1 as the oil light is the incorrect size. This is where I'll stick to my statement of going for a "faithful" restoration as opposed to a "fanatical" restoration. I can live with it.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/666.jpg
<snip>
More a bit later.
Cheers
John BJohn

Yes the missing instrument is the ammeter, there were a number of different ones which were calibrated for the particular genesaurus fitted to the vehicle.

Don't be so sure that the instrument panel is the wrong one. While there were a lot of changes to the warning lamps at the end of 1950 begining of 1951, your 1950 should have the large warning lamp with "OIL". But to be sure I'll have to be at home with my books.

In short the early 1950 had a large oil warning lamp with the word OIL in the lens, then they changed to a bakelite lamp the same as the charge and choke lamps, then they went to coloured plastic lamp holders (which melted) but had the same bezel as the previous other ones, then they returned to the bakelite ones in 1952.

Will give you the chassis numbers tonight.
The thermostat housing is pretty corroded at the pipe connection, but that was to be expected. Actually, it's not as bad as I would have expected for a 60 year old car so maybe it's been replaced before or otherwise it looks promising for the rest of the motor internals.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/667.jpgYou should talk to Chazza on here, he was casting replacements for the thermostat tops a while back.

By the way the thermostat housing is the correct one for an engine number about the same as your chassis number as is the sump correct for a 1950 model.

Diana :)

Am I correct in reading a 5 digit engine number? or am I missing one or three numbers?

[JayBoRover]

Am I correct in reading a 5 digit engine number? or am I missing one or three numbers?
Hi Diana,
You're missing one number. The full engine number is: 865028. This is what I suspected it was from the photo and is now confirmed and clearly read from the block.

Thanks for all the information. I doubt I'll get to the point of matching the oil lens for the chassis number - especially when LRs seem to be riddled with inconsistencies in their production. However, this type of history and information is really nice to know - adds to the character of the vehicle and over time will differentiate a simple owner from an interested owner.

Thanks too for the heads up on chazza casting the thermostat housing tops. Very handy to know I suspect.

Cheers
John B

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks John.

#5028 makes the engine a mid-1949 engine (1949 essentially went from 863000 to 867920) just as you suspected and within the range of the mixed side plate/core plug engines.

[chazza]

Check your PM inbox John; I sent you a message a while ago,

Cheers Charlie

[JayBoRover]

Not too much action on the S1 at the moment. I did shuffle things around a little and made some space by kinda "putting the S1 together". It was an interesting exercise where I discovered that I have two of each of the seat box top plates, three tub tail-gates (although none in great condition), two lhs door tops but no rhs door top. I haven't been through the tubs of parts to look for trimmings like rear D-lights, missing door hinge or other little things. One day. It does look nice "kinda together".
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/61.jpg
I doubt I'll get any serious time with it for a while but I do hope to make up a list of what I'm going to need to track down in parts. I have a few more things to get done on the S2A before I head back to work and unfortunately the daily runner takes precedence over the long term project.
Cheers
John B

[JayBoRover]

Gosh, I didn't realise how long it had been since posting anything on the S1. No real change to anything on it other than I have relocated it from the carport into the workshop, so that might be read as promising for it's future;).
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/872.jpg

The truth is that, with winter approaching, I thought it might be a good idea to start parking DeeDee (my S2a Daily Driver, hence DeeDee as a name) under cover and the carport that was sheltering the S1 is the only one tall enough:p.

Of course now that the S1 is in the workshop it's much more likely to get the odd bit of attention ... maybe just fleeting glimpses while I'm working on my Rally bikes;).

My wife is collecting an engine hoist for me tomorrow though and I bought an engine stand today so the '49 side-plate motor might start getting some attention anyway. Can't buy these new tools and not put them to use now can we??:angel:

Ciao
John B

[Sleepy]

Only just caught up with this thread. Nice find.:cool: I wonder how you've been going over winter?

[JayBoRover]

Only just caught up with this thread. Nice find.:cool: I wonder how you've been going over winter?
Hi there Paul.
Things have basically not been going over the winter:D. I spent a lot of time working on my Nissan ute (new injectors, glow plugs and fuel filter, resprayed the roof, steel tray, lockers, bullbar and tow bar) getting it ready for sale. Just about got all that cracked when my daily driver Landy, "DeeDee" the S2a, decided to "self-modify". I think it figured that it might go twice as fast if there were two gearbox main shafts, so proceeded to shear the one into two. It didn't work, and instead resulted in the speed reducing to a crawl at idle in Lo range 1st gear back home:(. So the S2a gearbox is now in pieces on the shed floor in front of the S1, who's bonnet is being used to hold the workshop manual so I can stand and refer to it every few minutes.

However, on the bright side for the S1's future, I am learning a lot about Land Rover anatomy and may make fewer mistakes by the time I get to working on the S1;). Practice makes perfect. It will be a while though because my new factory Rally bike arrives this week, and with the Australasian Safari only 38 days away, I will be pretty busy preparing for that. Maybe summer for the S1 attention??
Cheers
John B
PS: Paul, I love your 101

[MR LSD]

"I've now bought two series Land Rovers in two weeks! :huh: What's wrong with me Doc?" :wheelchair:

Two weeks ago I bought a LWB S2A as a daily driver and general hack to replace my nice, comfortable, air conditioned, heated, CD player equipped, cruise controlled Nissan ute with slide-on camper. The S2 just needs a few minor tweaks like the steering joints replaced and the handbrake to get working. Simple stuff ... not really much a of a challenge as projects go. So ... look for a series 1.

I looked at a series 1 a few weeks ago and ended up walking away from it. It was a 1953 80" with truck cab but the chassis and firewall rust was very bad and owner's price expectations were unrealistic. Researching it did teach me lots about the early Land Rovers and I loved the look of it so decided I really want an 80" S1 to restore. (Scallops really inspired me with his beautiful car too). :TakeABow:

I have the S2A as a runabout, with a Holden 6 motor in it and on LPG, so mod's can go there while the S1 will be a true restoration ... maybe not fanatically true, but relatively true. The most important thing will be for it to be useable so it gets driven once complete, not squirrelled under wraps. I have plenty of other things going on so the restoration will be a fairly long term project, so don't start reading this if you want to see the result next week .. ain't going to happen:Rolling:!

So here we go...
My first glimpse of the 1950 S1 as I walked in the shed:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120001.jpg

The front looked pretty good apart from one corner missing from the grille.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120007.jpg

Looked pretty good from the back.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120002.jpg

Rear cross member is in almost perfect condition.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120003.jpg

Middle cross member is also very good. I couldn't find any rust beyond very light surface rust anywhere other than a bubble on the very front of the rhs chassis rail.
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The gearbox is still in. The firewall looks good from here and the dash pod is exceptional. The instrument panel is perfect and still has the original gauges and switches all in very good condition.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/[/IMG] http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120013.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120010.jpg

The drivers side footwell. I can't imagine it being much better:)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120005.jpg

The fuel tank is still bolted in. I couldn't find any patches on the skin so hopefully the tank is as good as everything else seems to be.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120009.jpg

The tub is in great condition except for the tailgate. The tailgate is pretty knocked about but the owner is throwing in a spare one. Maybe between the two I can get one good one together.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120012.jpg

I didn't get a photo of the two tailgates but they're in the pile of panels in the corner. Door bottoms, door tops, floor panels, seat box lids and a couple of seat backs. The two seat backs are different so one will be right and I'll have to make up or find the others.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120011.jpg

The engine sits on the floor but seems everything is there or in the boxes of parts. The carb, distributor, manifolds, etc are all still on the engine. Other bits like the distributor cap, fuel pump, etc I saw in the boxes.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120008.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120016.jpg

Chassis number is R06110036. Interestingly, the actual chassis number is preceded by four numbers: 8454. I've not seen or heard of this before. Any clues for me anyone?
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/GaelJohn/My%201950%20Series%201%20Land%20Rover/PC120006.jpg

I won't get it home for a week or two, but that's okay as I have my hands full with the S2A at the moment. I have a couple sets of tie-rod ends on order and a handbrake kit so hopefully I'll get those fitted over the Xmas break. The S1 will just have to sit in the shed for a while but at least it won't be sitting outside and it will get the TLC it needs one day. So check in occasionally and I'll keep you all informed as to progress when I get started. God knows I've really enjoyed some other's threads on their restorations so I look forward to repaying the privilege.
Cheers
John B lovely but haveing time to do it all would be nice:(

[dennisS1]

The 4 numbers are some building number or something they are always there, or in all cases that I have seen they are there.

[dennisS1]

Looks good, Interesting to see side plate motor in a 1950 model, do you mind publishing the engine number?
Dennis

[JayBoRover]

Looks good, Interesting to see side plate motor in a 1950 model, do you mind publishing the engine number?
Dennis
The full engine number is: 865028.
The engine is not original to the chassis. I do have some history of the original engine number and the chassis number that this engine was originally matched with. I'll dig out the info I have been given and post it up in a while.

[ellard]

Hi there

I must admit the general condition of the firewall etc is impressive...

Good find

Wayne

[Defender Mike]

Hi John,

I got one my self a bit newer than yours still looks much the same. Order placed arrives December. Dont know if it will go any better in the bush. :)https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/389.jpg