extreme 4wd action - the best defender ever built

[Grylls]

Hey Guys,

Just stumbled upon a dvd I had of a defender from extreme 4wd action mag no 10. Just wondering if anyone has a link to a thread about this car or just some information about it. I am thinking about getting a new car and once I watched the dvd on it I really wanted one :p

Cheers

[Hendrik]

Grylls, how you been mate? Haven't seen you in ages...

Good to see you are planning to make the switch back to rovers!! You won't be disappointed with a defender...

[Grylls]

Hey Hendrik!

Yeah I've been good mate. Planning to go over to Fraser during January so that should be good fun :). How about you??

Haha I've always had a soft spot for the landys :p. If I'm gonna get another its going to be a diesel this time! Would love a defender but they are pretty pricey. I also wouldn't mind one like yours but I've heard a few stories about the TD5 motors... not sure if its all true. Apparently they are expensive to fix if anything goes wrong!

[dullbird]

whats it look like might help :D not all of us buy the mag:)

[isuzurover]

Hey Guys,

Just stumbled upon a dvd I had of a defender from extreme 4wd action mag no 10. Just wondering if anyone has a link to a thread about this car or just some information about it. I am thinking about getting a new car and once I watched the dvd on it I really wanted one :p

Cheers

Is that the one with jeep flares that is claimed to have custom axles with ARB lockers in the article but actually has Maxi-Drive lockers, Maxi-Drive portals and Maxi-Drive rear steer?

[long stroke]

Is that the one with jeep flares that is claimed to have custom axles with ARB lockers in the article but actually has Maxi-Drive lockers, Maxi-Drive portals and Maxi-Drive rear steer?

yeh thats the one i'm thinkin of...

[isuzutoo-eh]

Is that the one with jeep flares that is claimed to have custom axles with ARB lockers in the article but actually has Maxi-Drive lockers, Maxi-Drive portals and Maxi-Drive rear steer?

That one was written up in issue number 9, so issue 10 DVD sounds right. It was at the LR Expo in Castle Hill.

[MickS]

I was at the shoot...pretty cool truck.

[Grylls]

Yeah thats the one guys :p Whats the go with with portals and rear steer? I'm in Queensland and I'm pretty sure both of those are definatly out of the question... not to mention how much it would cost for the rear steer!

What model defender is it? I haven't seen many utes with a tubbed tray (haven't really looked for them either .. you tend to only notice things about other cars when you have the same one :eek: and then you realise how many other people have the same car as you :() is it a wagon cut down??

[uninformed]

unless you have very deep pockets, portals and rear steer arnt something you are going to have worry about......but on the flip side they are road legal in Qld currently...

those axles, front and rear, complete from hub to hub were built by Maxidrive. That includes the axle laminations, diff hemisphere, axle shafts, drive flanges difflocks, portals, and rearsteer. Also the T/C has MD low range gear set...

There was alot of missinformation(BULL****) in the artical writtern in the mag.

cheers,
Serg

[Grylls]

Yeah I didn't actually read the artical, only saw the dvd thats all.

I'm sure maxidriving everything is heaps of money not to mention all the rest.

Whats the deal with the suspension on it? Seems like its got a lot of down travel. I'm not a huge fan of trucks with huge lifts .. they seem to end up on their roofs a little too often for me and the cops and transport seem to pick on you a bit more as well.

I'm sure a lot of things in that mag could be called missinformation haha :p

So what type of defender is it?

I've had both a P38 and a D1 but as much as I love the sound of the V8 they aren't the best in water and I have had a lot of electrical problems with them ... Our auto electrician likes to call them electrical lepers haha .. he drives a tdi defender :D .. They cost so much tho!!

[isuzutoo-eh]

If you can believe the article, its a 95 110 with International 2.8l version of the 300tdi, ZF auto/LT230. Front steer is factory, rear is custom full hydraulic, rear diff is a 101FC front sals?

[Grylls]

How do you go getting those motors in Australia? Have they got much more go than the tdis and td5s? I've heard the 4l v8s in the d2's are more reliable than the td5s?

[Tikirocker]

It's the white Defender with rear steer from the Coffs Harbours company SOLVE I think? Great truck ... got the mag and the DVD of the truck that followed that issue with the one after it. Why they didn't package the DVD of the truck with the SAME mag issue is beyond me though. The truck also had the rad in the tray.

Simon.

[Grylls]

Yeah thats the one Tiki. Tried to find a website for them before I posted on here but couldn't find anything ..

If it says that its a 95 then it wouldn't have come out with a TD5 then would it? I'm just thinking that because in the discoverys they came out in 99. In the dvd he says that it had a TD5 I was pretty sure ....

[isuzurover]

Yeah thats the one Tiki. Tried to find a website for them before I posted on here but couldn't find anything ..

If it says that its a 95 then it wouldn't have come out with a TD5 then would it? I'm just thinking that because in the discoverys they came out in 99. In the dvd he says that it had a TD5 I was pretty sure ....

Ha - so more BS in the dvd :D Defenders got TD5s in '99 as well.

It also isn't a 101 axle.

[uninformed]

It's the white Defender with rear steer from the Coffs Harbours company SOLVE I think? Great truck ... got the mag and the DVD of the truck that followed that issue with the one after it. Why they didn't package the DVD of the truck with the SAME mag issue is beyond me though. The truck also had the rad in the tray.

Simon.

Like I said....BS!

The rear steer was built, along with, THE COMPLETE axle assemblies by Maxidrive.

I brought this up on Outerlimits4x4 and it was a wash....most didnt care that the artical was BS....the editor of the mag came on and flamed me and said he was good mates with the new owner, who had done alot of the work...He said that he trusted him very much, and that he had only printed what info he was given....so 1 of them is full of ****

the original owners sun posted in the thread that what I was saying was correct in a non direct way...he is also friends with the new owner....

If it had been a toyota built by Glenn Dobbins and someone was claiming his work ....heads would have rolled...

I wouldnt use that mag to whipe my arse

[long stroke]

Never heard of a company in Coffs called SOLVE, i'm pretty sure all the guy's around here building tuggies etc with rear steer are getting it done else where.

TIM.

[wagoo]

Ha - so more BS in the dvd :D Defenders got TD5s in '99 as well.

It also isn't a 101 axle.

Don't know the vehicle in question, but would it have 101 CV joints inside Maxidrives special swivel balls?
There is still too much misinformation in 4wd magazine articles. A classic one from 4x4 Australia many years ago on the new Land Cruiser stated that it had superior wading capabilities to the previous model due to the ''new fully floating rear axle''.
Wagoo.

[Tikirocker]

No idea about the behind the scenes politics, I don't really care either ... my appreciation was for the Land Rover product and the fact that we got a truck from our marquee featured for once.

Simon.

[Tikirocker]

Never heard of a company in Coffs called SOLVE, i'm pretty sure all the guy's around here building tuggies etc with rear steer are getting it done else where.

TIM.


Watch the DVD and read the article ... the truck has SOLVE stickers allover it. It is supposed to be the small 4x4 company that the NEW owner runs out of some garage in Coffs. Just the messenger ...

Simon.

[Hendrik]

I remember this defender, is it the cream coloured one? Saw it on Ebay a while ago, he wanted 35K for it, and I'm confident it had one of those 2.8L tdi's in it that has already been mentioned.

Grylls, the td5 ran in the defenders from 99-06 and in the discovery from 99-04. They are an excellent engine, you hear a lot of stories from people who don't know much about them or have never owned one and just love giving them a bad wrap. I know of one with 400k on it and nothing has been done to it. As with anything, look at service history etc. BTW, I got mine chipped recently and it will leave your brother's V8 d2 for dead, and uses less than 1/2 the fuel.

[long stroke]

Watch the DVD and read the article ... the truck has SOLVE stickers allover it. It is supposed to be the small 4x4 company that the NEW owner runs out of some garage in Coffs. Just the messenger ...

Simon.

i might have to get this dvd, would be interesting to find this place if it's still around haha:D

TIM.

[uninformed]

OK I will try and explain some of this missinformation.... The owner of SOLVE who is also the current owner of the 110 (at the time of the artical) is Nick Finch, he apparently had "alot" to do with the original build for/with the first owner, Charles Van Ysseldyk.

Maxidrive built the axle assemblies complete from hub to hub, portals, difflocks, axles, drive flanges, hyd rams, lock out on the rear steer etc etc, the T/C has MD low range gear sets. I know this because I saw them being built and saw them packed into the steel crate (also made by Mal) to be shipped down to Charles....

The artical claims that the owner was responsable for the rear steer and used a fc101 housing to do so...it also states that it runs ARB's when you can clearly see the difflock actuators on the housings for the MD's....non of the pics line up with their BS...I the thread I started over on Outers I even gave them the opertunity to wiggle out of it by susgesting that maybe the pics where old ....... but nope

the Mag is crap and the editior a ******....ill never buy a copy again!



Wagoo, being that it is running MD portals, the rear utilizes RR cvs just like the front. Mal felt that the extra protection from the 1.3-1 portal gearing was enough for the rear aplication...

cheers,
Serg

[Tikirocker]

Serg,

Thanks for the heads up ... from an editorial perspective that kind of journalism is beyond shoddy. I don't know what would possess somebody to make false statements about gear fitted to a ride when the images say otherwise. :eek:

Simon.

[cal415]

I had a conversation with the guy who built this on the day at the show, he owns a little SWB series thats got rangie diffs/suspension under it and aluminium flares. He was an interesting fellow to talk to, went on to tell me the whole story of this fender and his little SWB.

Apparently he built it while working for Bruce Davis in Sydney it was the last work he did for them before moving out on his own as a landy wrecker on the central coast, it was built for Charles Van Ysseldyk(Mal his son is the guy with te bush rangie at TUFF TRUCK). i cant remember the exact time it was built but i think he said something around 2001? Anyway he went over the whole truck with and explained why and how it was setup, he knew every detail so i have no doubt he was telling the truth. Went into details on how they got the rear steer approved for road use etc details on how the diffs were setup, details about the body work and suspension, even the strange shifter setup.

I also spoke to the current owner, who happens to be dating the daughter of the original owner, i spoke with her to briefly and got some more history on the vehicle and about how her BF always loved the car so when he dad put it up for sale he snapped it up, and its still the same config as when her dad had it BTW.

Back to the builder, he was fairly worked up over the vehicle as he had read the article and he went on about how much BS the mag spun over the car and was pretty irrate at the current owner for not given them the correct details, he said he was going to approach him about it so i thought i would watch on as it could have turned out interesting.....

Anway he had words with the owner who told him it was the mag who changed the details not him, The guy who built settled down and they had a good chat about the vehicle after that.... i have stacks of pics of it somewhere, lots of the underside and diffs from the show i just snapped away while i listened into there chat about it.

[uninformed]

exactly Simon,

apart from a few rover supporters that knew better I was pretty much attacked by every respondent to my thread. The editor had a big dig at me for not only bashing his mag but his good mate Nick....when it was clear that I was correct he's only retractment was to state the mag only writes what tech the owner gives them....some mate hey.....

As far as im concerned if they are "good" mates they both had to be in on the deception...which was made worse by the fact that it was pimping Nick's company based on all the custom work he did including the axles, rearsteer and making it road legal ....

Mal Story developed that rear stearing over a period of time from the first S1 he built in the 60's, then went on to refine it for his own custom vehicle in the 70's of which it was cert'd by the Qld dept of transport. I even think he got a patent on the lock out for road use....this lock out is why it was able to be road registered

cheers,
Serg

[cal415]

BTW from what i was told the Current owner had nothing to do with the original build.

[uninformed]

I had a conversation with the guy who built this on the day at the show, he owns a little SWB series thats got rangie diffs/suspension under it and aluminium flares. He was an interesting fellow to talk to, went on to tell me the whole story of this fender and his little SWB.

Apparently he built it while working for Bruce Davis in Sydney it was the last work he did for them before moving out on his own as a landy wrecker on the central coast, it was built for Charles Van Ysseldyk(Mal his son is the guy with te bush rangie at TUFF TRUCK). i cant remember the exact time it was built but i think he said something around 2001? Anyway he went over the whole truck with and explained why and how it was setup, he knew every detail so i have no doubt he was telling the truth. Went into details on how they got the rear steer approved for road use etc details on how the diffs were setup, details about the body work and suspension, even the strange shifter setup.

I also spoke to the current owner, who happens to be dating the daughter of the original owner, i spoke with her to briefly and got some more history on the vehicle and about how her BF always loved the car so when he dad put it up for sale he snapped it up, and its still the same config as when her dad had it BTW.

Back to the builder, he was fairly worked up over the vehicle as he had read the article and he went on about how much BS the mag spun over the car and was pretty irrate at the current owner for not given them the correct details, he said he was going to approach him about it so i thought i would watch on as it could have turned out interesting.....

Anway he had words with the owner who told him it was the mag who changed the details not him, The guy who built settled down and they had a good chat about the vehicle after that.... i have stacks of pics of it somewhere, lots of the underside and diffs from the show i just snapped away while i listened into there chat about it.

yep Nick blames the mag and the mag blames Nick.....convienent hey.....Yet they are good mates........SOLVE that one....

As much as alot of other work has gone into it by the original builder the thing that makes it unique is the portals and rearsteer, which was ALL Maxidrive...

Serg

[cal415]

I beleive the guy who installed them modified the rear housing somewhat to get it passed rego in NSW, i dont remember what was required though.

[uninformed]

The 110 in its original "built" form for Charles had the original MD rearsteer set up. It was in Overlander Dec 2005, which I have a copy right in front of me. Pics are as clear as day.

I cant undertsand why the NSW DOT would have them change a proven engineered system, with more than 1 failsafe in high range, to "a bolted on angle iron" according to Extreme crap.

Here is the thread I started on outerlimits...I shouldnt have reread it...it makes me want to punch kittens

Outer Limits 4x4 Board • Login (http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=215867&hilit=extreme)


the world really is getting dumber by the minitue....no wonder opera is queen :o

[Grylls]

I think in the dvd it says it is all maxidrive stuff (I'm sure of that) .. Maybe just in the mag its changed?? Why would the mag write that it had arb diff lockers?? do they get a cut everytime they mention the name arb?

So the car is a 95 110 with a 300tdi in it from factory which has been changed to a 2.8 international ... I was reading on google that they are powerstroked or something and come from Brazil??

Can you get the defenders in a tubbed ute like that? (Sorry I have never paid that much attention to them :p)

When the bonnet is popped in the dvd it looks like it says either TD5 or TD6 on the engine cover .. ?? is the 2.8 also referred to as the TD6?? :confused:

[wagoo]

The 110 in its original "built" form for Charles had the original MD rearsteer set up. It was in Overlander Dec 2005, which I have a copy right in front of me. Pics are as clear as day.

I cant undertsand why the NSW DOT would have them change a proven engineered system, with more than 1 failsafe in high range, to "a bolted on angle iron" according to Extreme crap.

Here is the thread I started on outerlimits...I shouldnt have reread it...it makes me want to punch kittens

Outer Limits 4x4 Board • Login (http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=215867&hilit=extreme)


the world really is getting dumber by the minitue....no wonder opera is queen :o

Have to log in to view the thread.
It's been so long since I had anything to do with Outerlimits i've forgotten my log in details and can't be arsed reregistering, because i punched so many kittens when I was a member that I now do volunteer work for an animal shelter to make amends. The 4wd action forums are only slightly more interesting than watching paint dry too. I post on there occasionally just to keep the barstewards honest, but a few more kittens have suffered as a result of them deleting a couple of my posts.
Wagoo.

[Grylls]

Yeah I jumped on there just then for a read.. Haven't been on there in a long time either...

It was all **** that was posted. Serg and Isuzurover did a good job at trying to get some sense out of everyone else on the website. They are a bunch of ******* on there (with the exception of a few). I hate it how someone posts something and everyone quotes it and writes "OWNED" and **** like that at the end ... Grow up.

They all seem to cotton wool the 4wdA guys .. Can't they speak for themselves? I would never post on that site again after reading all that crap.

It can't be that hard to try and get a straight answer out of someone. Is it an arb locker or is it a maxidrive??? (I know its a maxidrive) I don't know much about maxidrives but are they air operated or not? if not then does the car have a compressor in it to run the arbs?? :P

[Tikirocker]

Last time I looked at THAT website was 1995 ... for about 5 mins, never looked back. :angel:

Simon.

[isuzurover]

Last time I looked at THAT website was 1995 ... for about 5 mins, never looked back. :angel:

Simon.

In the early days when Sam Overton and others started the website there was lots of good tech, but the tech seems to keep sinking and the BS seems to increase exponentially.

They have also tried to be an australian version of pirate4x4. You need a thick skin on pirate, and the political discussions in chit chat are very, very scary... :eek:

[uninformed]

Arb's are air operated and you can usaually identify them by the copper tube going into the 3rd member.

MD are vacuum operated(althought some people have converted to air) and can be identified by an almost coke can sized actuator fixed to the axle housing just outboard fo the 3rd member, usually witha a stone guard.

like I said in the outers thread if it was something as small as calling a MD locker an arb I would have just had a little chuckle and rolled my eyes to myself.....but the fact they were saying the new owner did all this new custom work that really made the vehicle unique and then bung his company details at the end of the artical.....not cool at all.

From what I can gather from this thread and the outers, my guess is the editor and owner of the car both new the deception they were making but thought they get away with it as most of their readers are Toy/Nissan owners who are about as smart as a box of hammer handles...

cheers,
Serg

[uninformed]

From the original artical in Overlander, it states it was a 300tdi Hardtop, so im guessing they just took the rear roof off. It states they fabed the extra cab using SIII bits.

the 2.8tgv came about when LR sold the 300tdi rights to the International motor company. When LR went to the TD5 they still needed a low tech motor for 3rd world countries and military.....the TD5 having computers etc was no good on bad fuel, needed high tech equipment to service fix and the electronics were "noisy" which interfeared with other army electronic equimpment....LR could not supress the "noise" even though an Australia company did it and was flown over to show them....they still couldnt believe it.....arogant poms...anyway, Internaional porvide the 300tdi's for LR and therefore parts. International then developed the 2.8 for their own use. They redesigned the block and its cooling galleries, changed the bore AND stroke, new crank, conrods, pistons, head and other items, it has a engine mounted oil cooler, I believe they were available in both variable vane turbo and normal.

I have a 2.8tgv in my 110

cheers,
Serg

[c.h.i.e.f]

U have one in a 110 so how does it go compared to a td5 or 4bd1t ?

[uninformed]

U have one in a 110 so how does it go compared to a td5 or 4bd1t ?

Never driven either of those so cannot comment

[Grylls]

What are some rough prices on the 4bd1t and 2.8tgv? Does the 4bd1t come in any vehicles here in Australia? Like a light truck or something?

[uninformed]

I payed 12k for my 2.8tgv long motor new on a create. Then probably another 3k to have it installed....

then had to sort out a few LR things that were found wanting....If I was to install that engine again I would do a few things differently.

It may bolt into a TD5 easier than it did my 300tdi???

Speak to Bush65, Isuzurover, Dougal etc for the Isuzu stuff.

cheers,
Serg

[Boxer]

Like I said....BS!

The rear steer was built, along with, THE COMPLETE axle assemblies by Maxidrive.

I brought this up on Outerlimits4x4 and it was a wash....most didnt care that the artical was BS....the editor of the mag came on and flamed me and said he was good mates with the new owner, who had done alot of the work...He said that he trusted him very much, and that he had only printed what info he was given....so 1 of them is full of ****

the original owners sun posted in the thread that what I was saying was correct in a non direct way...he is also friends with the new owner....

If it had been a toyota built by Glenn Dobbins and someone was claiming his work ....heads would have rolled...

I wouldnt use that mag to whipe my arse

Couple of quick things. I'm not here to argue, so use this which ever way you want. I've made a few really good friends on here, I really like this forum, don't mess it up with agro.

I shoot and edit the 4WD Extreme DVD, I'm a qualified motor mechanic with 10 years hands on industry experience before I got into my current line of work. Whilst editing thats segment nothing seemed to be lies to me, granted I'm no Landrover trainspotter, and frankly, it's a scary thought. I did love my Disco, but not the way I love my wife ;)

From my understanding (don't quote me on this) the car was originally built at Macquarie 4X4 and the current owner Nick helped out with it as he was employed there at the time.

And finally, I've been working on magazines for long enough to have seen many keyboard warriors threaten anal action on magazines, threaten not to buy them etc etc, people won't suddenly stop buying magazines just because of what you posted.

Finally, wipe not whipe ;)



ps: RIP Glenn Dobbin, he made a huge impact on the 4WD scene!

[uninformed]

Couple of quick things. I'm not here to argue, so use this which ever way you want. I've made a few really good friends on here, I really like this forum, don't mess it up with agro.

I shoot and edit the 4WD Extreme DVD, I'm a qualified motor mechanic with 10 years hands on industry experience before I got into my current line of work. Whilst editing thats segment nothing seemed to be lies to me, granted I'm no Landrover trainspotter, and frankly, it's a scary thought. I did love my Disco, but not the way I love my wife ;)

From my understanding (don't quote me on this) the car was originally built at Macquarie 4X4 and the current owner Nick helped out with it as he was employed there at the time.

And finally, I've been working on magazines for long enough to have seen many keyboard warriors threaten anal action on magazines, threaten not to buy them etc etc, people won't suddenly stop buying magazines just because of what you posted.

Finally, wipe not whipe ;)



ps: RIP Glenn Dobbin, he made a huge impact on the 4WD scene!

First of I never quoted anything regarding the DVD. Only the magazine, issue 9.

What you say about Nick I believe to be true as well, but only from different bits and pieces I have read. I have never met him. Yes he may have worked on the Vehicle but far from the amount the magazine was suggesting he did, which included him changing out the whole rear housing and custom building the rearsteer.....If you are a mechanic and a landrover owner it shouldnt be too hard to tell the difference between a rover diff housing and a FC101 which is basicly a dana 60.....

I could care less if they got the diff ratio wrong or the such, but claiming someone elses work is bad enough let alone advertising off the back of it...

As far as a keyboard worrior...WTF??? All I stated is that I would never buy another copy or any of the other publications by them. I dont care if others keep buying it or not. In fact I hope it gets stronger with more builds etc....but most importantly they get the tech and information correct.

lastly a couple of things...correcting my spelling, really, come on man you could pick holes through my spelling and grammer all day...but it doesnt take away from the truth....just a **** stir really...oh and you might want to proof read your work before correcting others.

dont want to start agro....dont rub salt in the wounds.

If you had some fact to add I would be more than happy to hear the explination. But you have just offered here say.

;)

PS Mal Story is just as inovative as Glenn was, had Mal been a Toyota or even Nissan enthusiest he would be alot more well known.

[Boxer]

If you are a mechanic and a landrover owner it shouldnt be too hard to tell the difference between a rover diff housing and a FC101 which is basicly a dana 60.....

Sorry, all I hear is train spotter talk.

This is the diff in my car, I know what I'd prefer
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

You called me a s**t stirrer, so I figured I may as well offer some more of what I'm good at

[digger]

Hey Guys!

I'm not a mod! (they rejected my stocks and rotten vegies and the stalag idea!)

(and this isnt directed at anyone in particular)

BUT

lets keep this nice and even and maintain the decorum that keeps this forum one worth visiting and using... so stick with playing the ball and not the man....

I know no one has "popped a cork" yet but can see how its possibly on the way.....


cheers!
Digger

[wagoo]

Sorry, all I hear is train spotter talk.

This is the diff in my car, I know what I'd prefer
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

You called me a s**t stirrer, so I figured I may as well offer some more of what I'm good at

I'm not sure what I'm seeing here. Basically radius arms with non compliant
bushings(rosejoints?) How does it flex? Or isn't it designed to?
Wagoo.

[uninformed]

Sorry, all I hear is train spotter talk.

This is the diff in my car, I know what I'd prefer
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs088.snc4/35766_418756355368_693550368_4570669_4744753_n.jpg

You called me a s**t stirrer, so I figured I may as well offer some more of what I'm good at

Nice diff, im guessing a ford 9 inch, but thats just a guess...like most of what you wrote it adds no fact to the issue at hand.

By the sounds of it, you fit right in with the rest of the 4wd action crew....offer no substance, say what you want, and when taken to task with fact, discredit with BS and smoke and mirrors....which unfortunately works for alot of sheep...

[uninformed]

I'm not sure what I'm seeing here. Basically radius arms with non compliant
bushings(rosejoints?) How does it flex? Or isn't it designed to?
Wagoo.

First of all Bill, I know nothing about road cars....and only a little more about 4x4's

Im thinking anti wrap bars, for high Hp...in a street or drag car. ???

check your PM on pirate ;)

cheers,
Serg

[wagoo]

First of all Bill, I know nothing about road cars....and only a little more about 4x4's

Im thinking anti wrap bars, for high Hp...in a street or drag car. ???

check your PM on pirate ;)

cheers,
Serg

I thought we were discussing 4x4s.Yes Serg I saw the Falcon ute but Boxers avatar shows a disco, and I assumed you know ?
Wagoo.
Edit. Serg.pirate PM replied to. Thanks

[Boxer]

By the sounds of it, you fit right in with the rest of the 4wd action crew....offer no substance, say what you want, and when taken to task with fact, discredit with BS and smoke and mirrors....which unfortunately works for alot of sheep...

On behalf of the whole team, thanks for the insult.

[dobbo]

YouTube - UHF Conan The Librarian


This thread needs this, I agree with Boxer, a few are acting like total Bellends

[MickS]

There goes any LR content in future mags.

[wagoo]

A serious question. What happened to Glen Dobbins? Did he pass away? I googled but nothing came up.
Wagoo.

[uninformed]

There goes any LR content in future mags.

I doubt it....and if so, so what! should we sucumb to their powers of missinformation or deception???

I really dont want to drag this further, But I find it hard to take when people call me a whinger or ****** for pointing out the truth and respecting a friends time/effort/knowledge and skill that went into a big part of that car. To me its **** weak to call it a non event....and people wonder why the society is down the ****ter....no morals,no responsibilty, no back bone.

the facts are: The editor of the mag stated they only put in what they are told by owners. The owner has been over heard saying that the Mag changed what he submitted. The original owners son, who is friends with the current owner has stated that everything I pointed out regarding the axle assemblies including rearsteer was built by maxidrive and is still that way.

I really dont know why Boxer came in here other than to save some face for the Mag. I understand he works for them and respects his friends and collegues. But to me he didnt offer anything more than here say and a bit of an insult to try and distract from what was really going on.

Serg

[Tikirocker]

There goes any LR content in future mags.

Not a heck of a lot there now, mate ... :D

Simon.

[uninformed]

A serious question. What happened to Glen Dobbins? Did he pass away? I googled but nothing came up.
Wagoo.

Yes Bill, he died. Im not sure how. It was very sad for his family/friends and a true engineering genuis has been lost. I had only seen vids, pics and articals writtern, but could see similarites to Mal Story.

Serg

Ps PM received and responded to

[Grylls]

Why did this just have to go down hill like Outerlimits?? :mad: :mad: :mad: Can't we all just get along on here?

It is a nice car that has had a lot of people work on it over the years and even more money spent on it.

The mag got things wrong. It happens from time to time we are all human but it seems harder for some to admit to it than others.

I started this thread because I watched the dvd and liked the truck. I wanted to know a bit about it and now I do :cool:. I even searched the web for the company 'Solve' to see if they had a write up on it themselves.

Some cars are built some are bought but at the end of the day you wouldn't know the difference unless you knew the car or the owner said either or..

[wagoo]

Yes Bill, he died. Im not sure how. It was very sad for his family/friends and a true engineering genuis has been lost. I had only seen vids, pics and articals writtern, but could see similarites to Mal Story.

Serg


Oh very sad.Didn't know him personally but admired his innovative skills and engineering genius. RIP:(

[digger]

Hey Guys!

I'm not a mod! (they rejected my stocks and rotten vegies and the stalag idea!)

(and this isnt directed at anyone in particular)

BUT

lets keep this nice and even and maintain the decorum that keeps this forum one worth visiting and using... so stick with playing the ball and not the man....

I know no one has "popped a cork" yet but can see how its possibly on the way.....


cheers!
Digger


well I was right.... obviously not tactful enough for it to work....but I was right!!

Sorry Grylls it was a good question.

[Grylls]

I'm confused digger haha :p Doesn't take much :D

[digger]

Sorry mate,
I meant your original question etc was a good one!

reading it back I can see why it wasnt clear... sorry

[Grylls]

Haha its cool mate, no need to say sorry :) We are all friends here :angel:

[Boxer]

A serious question. What happened to Glen Dobbins? Did he pass away? I googled but nothing came up.
Wagoo.

he unfortunately did... by choice :(

When we ran the behind the scenes Tuff Truck DVD, we included a speech his father gave on the Friday night at the event. I filmed it and edited it, it made me quite sad as I'd never had the privilege to meet him, but going by what others had told me and the work he'd done, he was an absolute genius

I'd never seen this video until now, but here he is in his amazing creation. I filmed it being driven by his friend Phil Nobel

YouTube - rock buggie 4wd

[uninformed]

Grylls,

plenty of guys here have experince with the TD5, I do not. But I believe like all LR engines/products their are certain things to look out for. Bush65 who is one of the many VERY knowledgeable guys here has had some good things to say about the TD5. Blkinght would be another good reference.

Regarding down travel on the vehicle in question. I do not know the specs of up and down travel for that rig but maybe because fo the 123mm portal drop it appears to have more than it does???

I think some go for more down tavel as they are limited with up travel due to tyres rubbing etc... so without stupid big spring lifts or body lifts they choose to use more down travel....just a guess....what is important it the balance between front and rear articulation....not just amount but compliance...what I mean is you dont want the rear so soft and flexy that it gets to 80% of its articulation before the front starts to work.

cheers,
Serg

[uninformed]

he unfortunately did... by choice :(

When we ran the behind the scenes Tuff Truck DVD, we included a speech his father gave on the Friday night at the event. I filmed it and edited it, it made me quite sad as I'd never had the privilege to meet him, but going by what others had told me and the work he'd done, he was an absolute genius

I'd never seen this video until now, but here he is in his amazing creation. I filmed it being driven by his friend Phil Nobel

YouTube - rock buggie 4wd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvDlMXqsYD8)

very sad indeed.

that buggy is now a part of australian engineering history. I hope it gets looked after and not changed around to much.

[justinc]

Gryls,

the Td5 engine is a very tough little unit, and world leading in its fuel system and management. There are a few issues that CAN happen;

Overheating WILL do harm to early editions, up to 2003 they had plastic head locating dowels that melted and caused the head to loose alignment, thereby headgasket failure soon follows. Some later 2001 to 2004 etc can develop cracks in the fuel gallery causing sump to be contamnated with diesel, the turbochargers are quite good for longevity but at times failures will occur, mostly neglect or due to oil contamination with diesel. Fuel leaks from fuel pressure regs, coolant leaks from fuel cooler Orings, and rarely they will have harmonic vibrations around 2200rpm that just will not be silenced:mad:

This sounds like a bit of a list, BUT I believe they are a great unit, can be mad VERY powerful for their 2.5 litres and very economical.

However, there is NO substitute for cubic capacity, and short of fitting a VNT they do have very little performance off idle which can't be overcome by chipping, 2.5litres is 2.5 litres IMHO.

JC

[uninformed]

thanks JC,

do the TD5's respond to a better flowing exhaust like the Tdi's? In my Tdi after fitting a 3inch madrel bent system the drivability was noticably better. I dont think so much a power increase, just that the turbo was able to spool up quicker from lower down...

[justinc]

thanks JC,

do the TD5's respond to a better flowing exhaust like the Tdi's? In my Tdi after fitting a 3inch madrel bent system the drivability was noticably better. I dont think so much a power increase, just that the turbo was able to spool up quicker from lower down...

Yes, and no. Definately in mid to higher end, I think Tombie2 has mentioned it is suddenly possible to overspeed the standard turbo with the extra airflow, but I haven't been able to verify that as yet:twisted:

The fact still remains the cubic capacity is still a handicap below 1500rpm IMO. Autos are just OK, but manuals are woeful, especially trying to tow anything up a hill from start:mad:

To try and tune it out will produce excessive smoke and EGT's, the only way forward there is to go VNT, not driven a Td5 with one yet but the Tdi I recently fitted one to (An Auto D1) really made a huge difference off idle.

I reckon the fitment of one and the corresponding fuel map to a Td5 will eradicate the shortcomings of small capacity.

I can't go back from a 4BD1t now, its like getting off a 900SS Ducati and hopping on a XL250R...:wasntme:

JC

[zuno555]

Off topic here - #153 4WD Action - CV Article said that land rovers don't run CV's in the front hubs, they run uni joints.

Point being I think those mags are only good for the pretty pictures and the dvds. Just skim over the text, most of it is just repetitive filler.

[MickS]

I doubt it....and if so, so what! should we sucumb to their powers of missinformation or deception??? :Rolling:


Wow...nice comeback. Their powers of misinformation and deception will no doubt show up in wikileaks in due course, such is a 4WD mags power :zzz:

Unfortunately, there are quite a few people on here who will disagree with your sentiments, based on the fact their trucks have featured in the magazine fairly heavily in the past. But quite possibly not again now.

I'm not a fan of the magazine myself. But like bad television. Switch it off or change channels.

[uninformed]

Wow...nice comeback. Their powers of misinformation and deception will no doubt show up in wikileaks in due course, such is a 4WD mags power :zzz:

Unfortunately, there are quite a few people on here who will disagree with your sentiments, based on the fact their trucks have featured in the magazine fairly heavily in the past. But quite possibly not again now.

I'm not a fan of the magazine myself. But like bad television. Switch it off or change channels.

do you really think that they would not put rovers in their mag because of what I have said and or my opinion.....really wow I hold the key to shutting down the press....give me a break.

2 things, either they wont worry one little bit about me and publish what suits their demegraphic....which if you look at the number of vehicle sales vs brands is going to Toyota 1,Nissan 2 and LR a Looooooooonnnnnnnnggggggggg and distant 3rd.....taking this into account there is also a greater percent of those other brands modified to a standard of which the magazine is looking for. It is a business after all.

OR

they will get the knickers in a bunch over my comments and ban LR....which would be kinda like cutting their nose to spite their face.... not the best business sence.

So you say your not a fan, and that I should just not buy it......but you also say I should shut my mouth because it may hurt the chances of others getting their trucks in........at what price, that they can write what they want when they want to suit there egos and pockets????

My gripe isnt with mistakes being made, hell I make them everyday. It is the fact there seems a clear case of deception here....

is it so hard for some of you to understand that and that I was supporting a friend of mine.

the more this behavior goes on the more those that really do have something to share with us pull away because of all the BS involved.

[Psimpson7]

but manuals are woeful, especially trying to tow anything up a hill from start:mad:



I have a stage 2 map with a raised tickover now to help try and combat the issue offroad on big tyres (although I haven't used it on the road)

[Psimpson7]

Serg earlier ;):D

http://cdn.thegloss.com/files/2010/10/someone_is_wrong_on_the_internet1.jpg

[Boxer]

http://afgen.com/uninformed_banner.jpg

[uninformed]

hahaha good stuff :D I guess this confirms that LR arent immune to being owned by sheep

[BMKal]

Well slightly off topic ..................

I'm sitting at Perth Airport at the moment between flights, waiting for my afternoon journey back to work with Cropduster Aviation (and that's a polite name for them).

Have just read the latest version of 4WD Action, and there's a good article in there on Taff's 90. Now while I'm not qualified to say if it's 100% "technically correct" - it's a good read, and there's some good pics to go along with it as well. I enjoyed reading it anyway.

In the same mag, a number of people were asked to list the best 4WD ever - Roothy has listed the Series I and II Landrovers in his top three. Always know he was a closet Landrover lover. ;)

And the DVD with the mag is not a bad watch either (watched it last night). Some great footage of the Simpson in flood and covered with wildflowers.

[Hay Ewe]

So this machine that seems to be the hot topic of this thread....

are there any pictures of it that can be posted (thats all I want to see really)

Hay Ewe

[dobbo]

I think a few of you fail to realize that this publication and any other magazine for that matter is just an advertising tool with a few light hearted articles thrown in for entertainment value, it's not and should not be classified as a mechanical or electrical engineering textbook. It doesn't need to be 100% correct all the time.



But whilst on the subject.;)

On page 15 of issue no# 97 Roothy is clearly seen holding a screwdriver in his left hand, every body knows that Roothy is right handed, to confirm my story the sun in the background can clearly be seen setting to the east and not the west, I believe your editor has put the image in backwards. Please rectify this problem or my anally retentive OCD brain with go POP and I will bludgen my entire office full of work mates with my wifes rubber vibrator. The one she uses at 0200hrs whilst I'm busily correcting peoples mistakes on internet forums.


People GAFL

[MickS]

I think a few of you fail to realize that this publication and any other magazine for that matter is just an advertising tool with a few light hearted articles thrown in for entertainment value, it's not and should not be classified as a mechanical or electrical engineering textbook. It doesn't need to be 100% correct all the time.



But whilst on the subject.;)

On page 15 of issue no# 97 Roothy is clearly seen holding a screwdriver in his left hand, every body knows that Roothy is right handed, to confirm my story the sun in the background can clearly be seen setting to the east and not the west, I believe your editor has put the image in backwards. Please rectify this problem or my anally retentive OCD brain with go POP and I will bludgen my entire office full of work mates with my wifes rubber vibrator. The one she uses at 0200hrs whilst I'm busily correcting peoples mistakes on internet forums.


People GAFL

:cool: :Rolling:Give that man a new!!!


http://www.iwanttobuyanelectriccar.com/images/popular_mechanics_flying_car_cover.jpg

[stevo68]

I think a few of you fail to realize that this publication and any other magazine for that matter is just an advertising tool with a few light hearted articles thrown in for entertainment value, it's not and should not be classified as a mechanical or electrical engineering textbook. It doesn't need to be 100% correct all the time.



But whilst on the subject.;)

On page 15 of issue no# 97 Roothy is clearly seen holding a screwdriver in his left hand, every body knows that Roothy is right handed, to confirm my story the sun in the background can clearly be seen setting to the east and not the west, I believe your editor has put the image in backwards. Please rectify this problem or my anally retentive OCD brain with go POP and I will bludgen my entire office full of work mates with my wifes rubber vibrator. The one she uses at 0200hrs whilst I'm busily correcting peoples mistakes on internet forums.


People GAFLWhats GAFL...have tried a few ways.......give me a hint :D,

Regards

Stevo

[isuzutoo-eh]

For those who don't know what vehicle is being talked about, these two photos were taken by Fluids at the LR Expo at Castle Hill this year:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1039.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1040.jpg

[stevo68]

Whats GAFL...have tried a few ways.......give me a hint :D,

Regards

Stevo All good...been notified by various sources :D,

Regards

Stevo

[PAT303]

I don't know the vehicle and don't read the mag but if I made that vehicle and someone else claimed credit for it I wouldn't be happy. Pat

[Hay Ewe]

looks allright, as well as a little bit of a sleeper, sure the radiator grill on the rear is a giveaway that something is not normal but it doesnt scream out "look at me, I am different"

thanks

Hay Ewe

[Tikirocker]

GAFL ... Get a funny life ... :D

[VladTepes]

Bloody thing looks like a Jeep / H3 hybrid as much as a LR.

[MickS]

Like I said...cool truck.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1033.jpg


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1034.jpg


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1035.jpg


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1036.jpg


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/1037.jpg

[uninformed]

I think a few of you fail to realize that this publication and any other magazine for that matter is just an advertising tool with a few light hearted articles thrown in for entertainment value, it's not and should not be classified as a mechanical or electrical engineering textbook. It doesn't need to be 100% correct all the time.



But whilst on the subject.;)

On page 15 of issue no# 97 Roothy is clearly seen holding a screwdriver in his left hand, every body knows that Roothy is right handed, to confirm my story the sun in the background can clearly be seen setting to the east and not the west, I believe your editor has put the image in backwards. Please rectify this problem or my anally retentive OCD brain with go POP and I will bludgen my entire office full of work mates with my wifes rubber vibrator. The one she uses at 0200hrs whilst I'm busily correcting peoples mistakes on internet forums.


People GAFL

you struggle to get the concept of deception rather than error.....maybe if you GAFC you could....


your sarcastic discription of the errors in issue #97 are a weak attempt to provide validity to your poor arguement...

keep at it. Have a nice day :D
Serg

[dobbo]

you struggle to get the concept of deception rather than error.....maybe if you GAFC you could....


your sarcastic discription of the errors in issue #97 are a weak attempt to provide validity to your poor arguement...

keep at it. Have a nice day :D
Serg

As I posted, GAFL. (and a dictionary)

[uninformed]

As I posted, GAFL. (and a dictionary)

hahahaha funny stuff, your going to correct me on my spelling, but Im the one that needs to GAFL....

Pot, Kettle, Black........:D

[wagoo]

It's probably too late to pave the way for a group hug here, but I'll try:)
Having the experiece of a couple of my builds written up in 4wd mags, I can understand how glaring innacuracies find their way into print.In my case the extremely complex build information was provided to the journalist by the vehicles owner, not me the designer/ builder. So as with Chinese whispers, accuracy did suffer, without necessarily there being any intention to deceive.It would be difficult for a journalist who may not have intimate knowledge of a particular vehicle brand or a mechanical concept to cross check every detail, particularly on a vehicle such as this with so many modifications. Probably the best that can be expected is that a draft of the proposed Magazine article be provided to the vehicle owner/builder to make corrections before publication.

Serg, is this an early MD portal conversion? While wearing my train spotting cap I observed Series swivel housings and no extra swivel bearing below on the rear axle.If this vehicle does actually get regularly used off road, rather than as a promotional tool for the owners business,The lack of bull bar or visible roll cage would indicate the latter. I can see a couple of points that would concern me, based on my own experiences with portals.Without the extra swivel pin,If they are unstrengthened Series swivel balls and not Maxidrive specials they will split at the neck just outboard of the bolt flange with the extra leverage that portals apply, and the bolts that attach the swivel balls to the banjo housings would fail regularly.
I also doubt the ability of the standard R/Rover CV joints to stay together on the rear axle in particular, The 1.3:1 reduction in the portals IMO really isn't enough to compensate for the increased tyre size. As you know, Mal Story manufactured special Series pattern swivel balls with larger internal dimensions to accept 101 cv joints. Could it be the case that this modification was done after the original build as you knew it?, and possibly where the confusion in the claim of this vehicle being fitted with a 101 front end?

[Bushie]

And I believe this is the same vehicle in it's former colours (taken 2005 at the Land Rover Expo at Penrith)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/980.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/981.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/982.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/983.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/984.jpg


Martyn

[Lucus]

I def prefer VER2:eek: :D

[uninformed]

It's probably too late to pave the way for a group hug here, but I'll try:)
Having the experiece of a couple of my builds written up in 4wd mags, I can understand how glaring innacuracies find their way into print.In my case the extremely complex build information was provided to the journalist by the vehicles owner, not me the designer/ builder. So as with Chinese whispers, accuracy did suffer, without necessarily there being any intention to deceive.It would be difficult for a journalist who may not have intimate knowledge of a particular vehicle brand or a mechanical concept to cross check every detail, particularly on a vehicle such as this with so many modifications. Probably the best that can be expected is that a draft of the proposed Magazine article be provided to the vehicle owner/builder to make corrections before publication.

Serg, is this an early MD portal conversion? While wearing my train spotting cap I observed Series swivel housings and no extra swivel bearing below on the rear axle.If this vehicle does actually get regularly used off road, rather than as a promotional tool for the owners business,The lack of bull bar or visible roll cage would indicate the latter. I can see a couple of points that would concern me, based on my own experiences with portals.Without the extra swivel pin,If they are unstrengthened Series swivel balls and not Maxidrive specials they will split at the neck just outboard of the bolt flange with the extra leverage that portals apply, and the bolts that attach the swivel balls to the banjo housings would fail regularly.
I also doubt the ability of the standard R/Rover CV joints to stay together on the rear axle in particular, The 1.3:1 reduction in the portals IMO really isn't enough to compensate for the increased tyre size. As you know, Mal Story manufactured special Series pattern swivel balls with larger internal dimensions to accept 101 cv joints. Could it be the case that this modification was done after the original build as you knew it?, and possibly where the confusion in the claim of this vehicle being fitted with a 101 front end?


Hi Wagoo,

I certainly understand how mistakes get made. As I have said many times I am not infalable. If it where a matter of simple mistakes It would not be an issue. I have stated what the issue is and we will leave it at that.

Anything is possible with regards to modifying a vehicle. I can tell you how ever, that every MD rearsteer portal built by Mal and unchanged runs RR cv's. The early versions used the Series swivels/housings etc because this is what he had used previously with his custom swivel and non-portal rearsteer. He felt the swivel stronger than RR versions and ok to do the job without the extra bearing. later versions he went to RR swivels etc as I think these were on hand more to him and he used the extra bearing. I can not comment on all his thinkings and decsions, only he can do that. But I would trust his judgement alot. He is also the type of guy that would want to know if something failed and why, then set about improving it. I never set about to have this as Mal is better or anything like that.

I am more than happy to make a formal appology to those involded if they can show me that either all the work stated in the magazine has been done or there is an acceptable reason for the blatant missrepresentation of works and by whom.

Im happy to let this thread die, but If people want to provoke me for the entertainment then I will entertain them. If they want to add some fact or usefull information Im all ears and will take it well.

Note: there will be spelling mistakes in this and every post I make.

cheers,
Serg

PS make sure you take lots of pics when you start any works you do ;) do you have a digital camera?

[PAT303]

Gees,lucky these ''journalists'' aren't writing up operations manuals or life saving info. Pat

[isuzurover]

I also doubt the ability of the standard R/Rover CV joints to stay together on the rear axle in particular, The 1.3:1 reduction in the portals IMO really isn't enough to compensate for the increased tyre size.

Hi Bill,

When I spoke to Mal about his portals, he said the same as Serg said - in his opinion the RRC CVs were strong enough for the portal-equipped rear steer setups.

[topnham]

dont like it atall it a bit gay realy sory to upset the owner shore it gose very well:angel:

[stevo68]

dont like it atall it a bit gay realy sory to upset the owner shore it gose very well:angel:I'm sure they won't be upset.....just as I am sure you wouldn't be upset by myself commenting on the brilliant grasp you have of the English language :angel:.

Regards

Stevo

[topnham]

I'm sure they won't be upset.....just as I am sure you wouldn't be upset by myself commenting on the brilliant grasp you have of the English language :angel:.

Regards

Stevo
no thats ok i know i can not spell