Winch/Locker - Order of Upgrade

[clubagreenie]

Have around $1300- to play with, be just enough to fit some useful bits to the unit.

So, what are peoples opinions of the following choices.

1. Detroit rear, Trutrac front, toss in a few dollars and may have enough for very cheap ebay winch later.
2. Detroit rear, better winch (probably up to $500- range)
3. Nil lockers and best winch (recommendations? (looking at Tigerz)) can afford.

Want to be able to cope with potential of getting stuck. Which is where the winch comes in. But the locker(s) have the ability to reduce that potential, but not eliminate it. In fact would probably end up in a worse situation. Which is why #2 is probably my preferred option.

[stig0000]

locker rear and winch, be able to go 99% of places, and on your own if needed

i have a tigers 12lb and love it,, but the rope is deffs the best bit

[uninformed]

there is a second hand Maxidrive in the markets for $1200(i think) I would by this over any auto locker.

cheers,
Serg

[windsock]

Have around $1300- to play with, be just enough to fit some useful bits to the unit.

So, what are peoples opinions of the following choices.

1. Detroit rear, Trutrac front, toss in a few dollars and may have enough for very cheap ebay winch later.
2. Detroit rear, better winch (probably up to $500- range)
3. Nil lockers and best winch (recommendations? (looking at Tigerz)) can afford.

Want to be able to cope with potential of getting stuck. Which is where the winch comes in. But the locker(s) have the ability to reduce that potential, but not eliminate it. In fact would probably end up in a worse situation. Which is why #2 is probably my preferred option.

I guess it comes down to that perpetual answer, "how long is a piece of string..?" err I mean "what kind of driving do you do?" err I mean "use search". :p

[Blknight.aus]

My money in this case would be a locker in the rear a triot up the front and a tirfor in the boot.

[weeds]

rear locker

[Tank]

Rear air/vac Locker, ARB or Maxi, Regards Frank.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

A locker will allow you to get stuck in places where you need a winch.

Go a tirfor first, which will allow you to recover front and rear, right a roll over, all without your engine running and even with dead batteries.

Then you can buy your locker and/or electric/PTO/hydraulic winch.

[austastar]

Hi,
for touring with a tray slide on, I've so far got the bull bar, snorkel, and a tirfor hand winch with a set of ARB straps, pulley and shackles.
Even though it is a winch capable bar, I will get air lockers and possibly never put an electric winch on the bar.
My thoughts on this are:
I'm retired so will not be rushing any where.
A hand winch will work in all directions (albeit with some effort)
Electric winches are heavy, I can carry a lot of other useful recovery gear for a lot less weight.
A hand winch may temper the decisions of where I may attempt to go.
cheers

[austastar]

A locker will allow you to get stuck in places where you need a winch.

I like your thinking!

cheers

[isuzurover]

I am not sure what winch options there are that would be cheaper than a Tigerz? Probably none worth bothering with.

If you can stretch your budget a few hundred you can probably get a Tigerz and a 2nd hand ARB for the rear.

[clubagreenie]

Just picked up a 2nd hand tigerz 12000lb'r with synthetic rope and accessories still in plastic bags, off a prado with receipts less than a year old so thats a done.

Also got an unexpected bill so locker is on backburner, but atg least when I get stuck I can still get out.

Oh and $400-:p

[Tank]

Hi,
for touring with a tray slide on, I've so far got the bull bar, snorkel, and a tirfor hand winch with a set of ARB straps, pulley and shackles.
Even though it is a winch capable bar, I will get air lockers and possibly never put an electric winch on the bar.
My thoughts on this are:
I'm retired so will not be rushing any where.
A hand winch will work in all directions (albeit with some effort)
Electric winches are heavy, I can carry a lot of other useful recovery gear for a lot less weight.
A hand winch may temper the decisions of where I may attempt to go.
cheers
I think a Tirfor (of the appropriate capacity for a 2 Tonne LR), with cable and cable cradle, snatch block/shackle and tree strap would have to be as heavy or heavier than a winch, esp. with rope instead of cable. it is possible to winch in any direction with a fixed winch a snatch block and a few straps and some imagination and ingenuity, Regards Frank.

[Tank]

I like your thinking!

cheers
A Locker won't get you stuck, the bloke driving might though, Regards Frank.

[Tombie]

Secret to having a winch is don't be afraid to use it.

Don't let the Red Mist make you thrash the vehicle when a controlled winch will get you through.

[frantic]

If you get a rear locker also think about getting some stronger rear axles say hytuff, ashcroft, lucky8 etc. I got a detroit from Lucky8(about 1/2 local$) in the u.s and the rear axles from hytuff.

[rovercare]

I think a Tirfor (of the appropriate capacity for a 2 Tonne LR), with cable and cable cradle, snatch block/shackle and tree strap would have to be as heavy or heavier than a winch, esp. with rope instead of cable. it is possible to winch in any direction with a fixed winch a snatch block and a few straps and some imagination and ingenuity, Regards Frank.

Correct, Tirfor's are bulky cumbersom things, that are heavy, difficult to use for sustained pulls, all in all, I think they are a pain and never had the need, I've also been stuck plenty and even when in 4wd's comps, I've never seen the need for a tirfor:)

[clubagreenie]

Secret to having a winch is don't be afraid to use it.

This runs perfectly with the Land Rovers don't break axles drivers do theory.

[rovercare]

This runs perfectly with the Land Rovers don't break axles drivers do theory.

Not really, LR axles really do suck;)

[Tombie]

This runs perfectly with the Land Rovers don't break axles drivers do theory.

Agreed. I drive rock often, run oversize tyres etc and haven't busted anything on the D2 or old Lara.

I'm much for technical driving over the rougher "when in doubt floor it" or using a locker in a straight line rather than driving the terrain properly.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

.... it is possible to winch in any direction with a fixed winch a snatch block and a few straps and some imagination and ingenuity, Regards Frank.But not when you have flat batteries or a dead engine!

Ever tried to right a roll over with a power winch on the incident vehicle?

With a Tirfor you can safely anchor and control a recovery when they are lost over an edge.

I have both a Tirfor and electric winch, and there are times when the pull on the electric winch is too quick. More than that the action of a Tirfor is very easy, granted not as easy as a power winch, however I have had numerous manual winches, including a Dawn drum winch and the Tirfor is very easy in comparison to others.

[OldGreyGuy]

Who handles Tirfor winches in Australia? Does anyone know?

[clubagreenie]

I've had a S2, RRC and D2 and yet to break an axle. I do agree that it will provide more peace of mind but also allows less thinking about how to best drive to preserve both the vehicle or environment.

Also took a std Jackaroo (I'm sorry) across the Simpson and ran a std Hilux (sorry again) in an Aust Safari without breaking anything.


Ever tried to right a roll over with a power winch on the incident vehicle?


You've got bigger issues.

[rovercare]

Ever tried to right a roll over with a power winch on the incident vehicle?

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Yea, pretty easy with a snatch block and a few straps and bow shackles.......easier than a Tirfor

[rovercare]

I've had a S2, RRC and D2 and yet to break an axle. I do agree that it will provide more peace of mind but also allows less thinking about how to best drive to preserve both the vehicle or environment.

Also took a std Jackaroo (I'm sorry) across the Simpson and ran a std Hilux (sorry again) in an Aust Safari without breaking anything.



You've got bigger issues.

The Simpson is a girls trip relative to terrain difficulty, the concern there is remoteness and reliability:)

[clubagreenie]

Except that I've done it 17 times (rig rd and QA line) and never had an issue. Always in Rovers (bar one) and only erver had issues on P'trolls and Toyo's. And I started doing it back in the 70's when there was no heavy duty option. We carried a full set of axles, two diffs, complete g'box internals, 68gal fuel (all on board,no jerries) and 18 gal water. oxy set (did get used) and no trailer.

[Tombie]

But not when you have flat batteries or a dead engine!

Ever tried to right a roll over with a power winch on the incident vehicle?



Yep! As mentioned above, straps, shackles and snatch block..
Was easy as and nobody ended up exhausted :cool:

And dead engine isnt an issue for at least 1 full length pull...

[justinc]

I've had a S2, RRC and D2 and yet to break an axle. I do agree that it will provide more peace of mind but also allows less thinking about how to best drive to preserve both the vehicle or environment.

Also took a std Jackaroo (I'm sorry) across the Simpson and ran a std Hilux (sorry again) in an Aust Safari without breaking anything.



You've got bigger issues.

Which year event?

JC

[Mudsloth]

I can only speak from the point of view of a mud hound but I would buy a winch. snatch block, tree protector and shovel first. Unless you are running big tyres (greater than 35s) or never see a boggy rutty hole. Diff locks don't work when you're hung up on your diffs or on a boggy cambered to the **** house hill climb. Diff locks have gotten me through alot of very hard stuff but the winch has gotten me out when the diff locks can't. Using a snatch block, shovel and winch I have managed to turn myself a full 180 degrees nearly on the spot diff locks will never do this, when i was running 33's and had both front and rear lockers I would still get hung up either on the diffs or in the middle of the vehicle. Winch and snatch block always saved me. I did a hill climb with a horrible camber on a sharp right hand turn that had my diff locks crab walking me into the bush. The winch saved my arse.

[Nero]

Who handles Tirfor winches in Australia? Does anyone know?

Sling Rig/Bullivants do a number of cheaper knock offs as well as the genuine Trifor, basically any industrial place that does lifting equipment. If the winch is rated for say a 1 tonne lift then its good for 2tonne pull. Toying with the idea of a Trifor not real keen on hanging an electric winch off 23 year old plus electrics.

Anyone got a PTO hydraulic pump/winch setup? Just curious if you need a tank or simply the pumps displacement and the fluid in the lines is enough to get the job done?

Although winches are only any good if you have something to attach them too, for what I intend to do a decent set of sand ladders and a shovel will probably see me through what I want.

[clubagreenie]

While a reservoir isn't necessary, you could get away with a tee in line with an extension up into the engine bay to act as a bleed and fill point.A small power steer res would suffice and a small cooler would also be a worthy addition.

I think that the different winch drive types suit different applications. PTO driven winches you find most often on tilt trays etc as the pump is cheap and easy to fit to gearboxes. The pump is also used to power other devices on the truck. Also winches from your last truck and even the tray/tilt mechanism can be moved to a new truck when upgrading.

Electric winches have the advantage of unladen retrieval speed so repetitive winching is easier but then you have the need to start/stop winching operations to allow for energy recovery as well as just giving the motor a rest.

PTO's are probably on par for weight (despite their apparent bulk which comes from fairly substantial mounts) when you take into consideration all the needs of both systems such as most people who fit a electric unit will also fit a second battery and all it's associated cabling.

[uninformed]

pto using shafts does not need any hyd fluid or res. these will easly retreive faster than an elect winch laden or unladen...

pto/hyd if running a dedicated pump for a winch will definitly need a resivour. I run about 22ltr tank for my set up

[rovercare]

pto using shafts does not need any hyd fluid or res. these will easly retreive faster than an elect winch laden or unladen...

pto/hyd if running a dedicated pump for a winch will definitly need a resivour. I run about 22ltr tank for my set up


They'r good, but PTO are usually heavy

I like a leccy winch, cause if you play Mr. Squiggle,(upside down, Ms Jane:D) you can self recover without the engine running