Tying mono to braid

[LandyAndy]

Hi fellow Fishos.
Many of you using braid????
What knot are you using to tie your mono leader onto the braid????
I had several bust offs whilst fishing in windy conditions the other day.I put it down to the leader knot slowing the line enough to allow slack to form behind the knot,the wind then allowing the braid to catch on a runner snapping the line.I could feel the knot on each cast.
In the past I have used a Uni Knot.Just been practicing an Allbright knot which is a smoother knot,got that one sorted.I was reccomended by a Tackle Shop to look up a Sebile Knot on Utube,it gives 100% line strength,and the "smoothest" join for casting a beach rod.
YouTube - How to tie a Sebile Knot by Jay Withers a Saltyshores How to Series.
Now to learn the Sebile:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Come on Andy,,
suck it up and just run Braid,,,

nylon is the Freelander of fishing lines.
;):p:p

[clubagreenie]

I cheat and run a swivel in between so I can just tie an appropriate knot for each.

[LandyAndy]

Come on Andy,,
suck it up and just run Braid,,,

nylon is the Freelander of fishing lines.
;):p:p

Pedro
A mono leader is essential.Braid will cut and break if it comes into contact with rock or snags.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

I cheat and run a swivel in between so I can just tie an appropriate knot for each.

I run around 10m of mono leader,wouldnt be able to cast using a swivel.Learn that not,its a ripper.It did my head in for a while(couldnt get the overhand knots rite) In the end it clicked and I can do it without watching the clip.If its still retained by morning it should be etched into my thick head.
Andrew

[GlenM]

How does it go with coming back through the tip guide with the fluro tag end?
Looks brilliant for casting though.

[LandyAndy]

Yet to try it Glen.
The practice knots look OK.Ive put extra twists(15 instead of 10) and added extra single overhand knots,I dont think it will be an issue coming back thru the guides.Another clip on Utube shows a UV glue that is used to seal the knot and smooth it totaly.
Andrew

[UNDEROVER]

Hey Andy,

for the longer leaders I use, I make my own wind on leaders using Dacron.
They go in or out of the guides flawlessly, and will wind onto the small diameter spool of a baitcaster as though you had no leader, but the only downside is that they can be time consuming to get sorted at the start.
But like anything, the more you do them, the easier they become.

Another I'm yet to try is the mid knot.
Looks a bit more complex than the sebile, but it gets rated fairly highly. From what I can see, it operates on the same principal of "choking" the leader.

As a safety measure though, melt the end of your leader tag to form a small ball to avoid it potentially slipping through.;)

[UNDEROVER]

Hi fellow Fishos.
Many of you using braid????
What knot are you using to tie your mono leader onto the braid????
I had several bust offs whilst fishing in windy conditions the other day.I put it down to the leader knot slowing the line enough to allow slack to form behind the knot,the wind then allowing the braid to catch on a runner snapping the line.I could feel the knot on each cast.
In the past I have used a Uni Knot.Just been practicing an Allbright knot which is a smoother knot,got that one sorted.I was reccomended by a Tackle Shop to look up a Sebile Knot on Utube,it gives 100% line strength,and the "smoothest" join for casting a beach rod.
YouTube - How to tie a Sebile Knot by Jay Withers a Saltyshores How to Series. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N0mCf0AIAA)
Now to learn the Sebile:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew


How's it going Andy?

just checking in to see how the Sebile knot has been working for you... The weather has been pretty crappy in these parts for a bit and haven't had an opportunity to give it a crack as yet.:mad:
Just curious...

Cheers, Matt.

[LandyAndy]

Went fishing a couple of weeks ago just before we got storms assosiated with a cyclone.
There was a huge tide wich dragged my gear and caused 4 snags.
The sebile not survived the pull to release each time,the end knot failed at the terminal end of the leader each time.
Casts great,retrieves well too.
Andrew

[stuee]

For a newbie to fishing what is the advantage of a long leader (10m) over a short leader?

[Chenz]

That knot is good but IMHO the double uni knot is stronger and very much quicker to tie.

I use it to attach mono or flourocarbon leader to braid and it has never let me down. Even braid to braid when I have been cut off and it runs through with no snags

Try this tutorial on Youtube. the link is YouTube - Knot Tying: Double Uni knot

You can use the single uni to tie hooks and any other terminal tackle as well.

You can use it to tie very light leaders to heavier line with no problems and when you snip off the tag ends close you won't even know when it is going through the runners.

For spooky fish I use a long leader and find the uni knot can run right up through and onto the reel both egg-beaters and overheads even those with level winds.

Give it a go. Once you learn it you can even tie it in the dark

[Bundalene]

Hi Andy,


I use the improved albright knot a lot. You get quick at tying this knot after a while.


Erich

[roverrescue]

Ive stayed out of this for a little while but it seems the red has got the better and its time to wade on in ;)

Firstup a double uni is never gonna have a break point (static or dynamic) that is higher than a friction knot.

Second - when it all boils down to it unless you are either (a) testing your knots to destruction or (b) not ever needing them to be tested whilst fishing its kinda irrelevant what knot you use to catch the majority of fish that swim. Most knots (even a double uni) will be stronger than the actual pressure you actually ever apply with rod and reel.

So - just for a laugh, rig up your heaviest rod and reel you use, grab a mate, a set of scales and a couple of beers. Tie the main line to the scales and send them and your mate with a bevvie down the garden. Now lay into it and put as much pressure as you would ever feel comfortable fighting a fish with. At this point get your mate to holler back the reading on the scales.

Once you have that figure - then you have your static real world necessary knot strength. I can pretty much guarantee that it will be a whole lot less than the vast majority of gear that you end up fishing with.

So - what do I fish with. (excuse the stupid terminology lb and kg)

barra gear - 20lb braid improved albright to a metre of 50lb mono - 3kg drag
tuna gear - 50lb braid improved albright to 50lb mono - 6kg drag
GT popping - 110lb braid bimini to 200lb twisted leader - 12kg drag
bottom bashing - 130lb braid improved albright to 140lb mono - 15kg drag

In all cases you will see a huge difference between the pressure applied and stated break strength. That is because of two things - knot strength and abrasion.

If I needed long leaders AND castability I would consider using friction knots but I like twisties for poppering and the rest of my work I keep the leader mostly out of the guides.

Finally I would argue that a 10m leader would greatly reduce the casting distance of surf gear rigged with braid. The majority of casting energy is generated in the first milliseconds of a cast. With such a long leader coming off the reel alot of the energy will be absorbed with line slap and drag. Surf rods are generally long and slow such that the extra elasticity of mono vs braid is negated. Andy what benefit does a 10m leader give over a 1-2m leader? Not that a friction knot would still be beneficial with a 2m leader of course.

Steve