Puma turning circle?

[Jimmy]

Doest he Puma have as bad a turning circle as the previous defender?

I assume the changes are the engine and interior and that's it?

cheers

[austastar]

Hi, the specs are in the LR website here (http://landrover.tagworldwide.com/defender/110/defender_110_en_AU.php)

cheers

[Landy Smurf]

Defender (http://landrover.tagworldwide.com/defender/110/defender_110_en_AU.php)
it says what the turning circle is in this.

[Landy Smurf]

Hi, the specs are in the LR website here (http://landrover.tagworldwide.com/defender/110/defender_110_en_AU.php)

cheers
sorry i did not realise you had already posted it

[Jimmy]

cheers, sounds about the same as the TD5 one. i.e. bad.

[grover7488]

worse than bad. :o

I had a Woolworths Kenworth out turn me :p

[Naks]

You can fiddle a bit with the steering stops to reduce the turning circle. But be careful, if you reduce it too much, you may get some rubbing of the front tyres during max articulation offroad.

IIRC, the steering stop should be set when the edge of the tyres is 20mm from the radius arms.

[dmdigital]

Doest he Puma have as bad a turning circle as the previous defender?

I assume the changes are the engine and interior and that's it?

cheers
No, it is worse :(

Winding the stops in helps but you can't go to far.

My Tdi is almost a breeze in comparison.

[austastar]

Hi, I rather like it, I get to treat small roundabouts with the contempt they deserve!
cheers

[camel_landy]

Yep and there's almost bugger all you can do about it other than to buy a Disco 3 instead.

M

[nugge t]

I saw it described somewhere as like turning the Queen Mary with a broken rudder.

I am not sure why people in car parks get frustrated when I do a 3 point turn to park!

[Loubrey]

The Puma 90 does a bit better in the turning stakes only because the tail follows as closely behind!:D

In all seriousness, the 90 and especially the Puma must be the easiest car in the word to parallel park. You can see all four corners clear as daylight, it's shorter than a VW Golf (4188mm vs 4077mm) and the PAS makes it easier to steer than most small town cars.

Love that 90!:cool:

[c.h.i.e.f]

Turning circle ? What turning circle ? I dont think my puma came with a turning circle :pthey hav the worst turning circle I hav ever seen 200tdi 300tdi defenders are fine and my county is the best out of them all it feels as nimble as a honda jazz :o

[mark2]

Turning circle ? What turning circle ? I dont think my puma came with a turning circle :pthey hav the worst turning circle I hav ever seen 200tdi 300tdi defenders are fine and my county is the best out of them all it feels as nimble as a honda jazz :o

Have you driven a Series LR? Surely it couldnt be as bad as that...

What is different about the Puma front ends that makes it worse than previous coil sprung 110's?

[juddy]

If i am going to turn right say, and do a U turn, iam better off in the lefthand lane, and still then i can go over the kerb on the other side, but bless Dennis hes lovely.....

[c.h.i.e.f]

Only driven a series 3 in the bush and a stage 1 on the road and I would say that the puma might almost be worse I think its just to do with the stop bolts on the wheel units (near the swivelpins but not sure yet but everything in the front end seems to be the same as the older ones (except for smaller/shorter cv's). I find it very embarrasing and dangerous the turning circle on the pumas I was following a td5 110 oneday and he done a Uturn in a back street he suceeded but I had to drive fully onto the footpath :o

[c.h.i.e.f]

Also not mentioning other problems with the pumas such as clutch,starting problems and of course the rear diff has anyone had a problem with there cd player ? Mine does NOT play cd's it alwas comes up with error 2 (look it up in handbook to see what it means) and I followed all the rules but it will not play anything :(

[gng1]

No problems starting, clutch, rear diff or CD player... touch wood. But U turns are a real challenge! And entertaining for those watching.

[wagoo]

Why would a Pumas turning circle be inferior to previous Defenders and Counties? Maybe Pre delivery never got around to setting the lockstops, or possibly LandRover limit the steering angle to preserve the smaller, weaker CV joints?
Wagoo.

[Jimmy]

I adjusted the pump stops on my 2001 Defender and it made a reasonably improvement.

Spacers may help, but ultimately its bad.

[c.h.i.e.f]

They do hav smaller weaker cv's so that might be the reason either that or to save On tyre ware or just lazyness

[Naks]

They do hav smaller weaker cv's so that might be the reason either that or to save On tyre ware or just lazyness


How exactly are the CVs weaker on the Puma compared to the td5? Are they smaller?

Can one replace with bigger/stronger CV's?

[wagoo]

How exactly are the CVs weaker on the Puma compared to the td5? Are they smaller?

Can one replace with bigger/stronger CV's?

The CVs are smaller and weaker with smaller diameter halfshafts at the CV end than 200TDI Defenders and earlier Counties.
You could fit the standard earlier cvs, spindles,hubs and drive flanges to std non "Extreme" TD5s and 300TDIs but you would lose the ABS sensor ring .I think Ashcrofts heavy duty replacement CVs retain the ring though.
Wagoo.

[c.h.i.e.f]

Wagoo is correct ...the abs ring is needed otherwise there will be abs problems which u don't want :o the new cv's are tiny compared to county cv's and are also shorter from what I can remember so hence having to change what wagoo said.
speaking of cv's I was talking to a guy from MRautomotive while talking about hytuff axles for my county I asked about upgraded cv's his reply was "is your cv's in the county original? Yes ..well in that case if they are not worn and are in good condition just replace front axles and everything will be fine"

[grover7488]

U turns are actually 4 turns

3 right hand turns and then 1 left :p

just depends how big the street 'blocks' are as to how long that takes :cool:

who cares - you are never in a hurry in a Defa :D

[one_iota]

The Defender doesn't have a turning circle..... it has a turning arc.

If you check out the specifications on the official LR site every other model's turning performance is measured as a diameter...the Defender's is measured as a radius (because 7.18 sounds better than 14.36?).

There are a few roundabouts around where I live that require either a 3 point turn or a radical use of the concrete to get around. This can be disconcerting for closely following motorists.

[KarlB]

Suggestions that the CV joints in Pumas are no good has been raised in several posts in this thread. Last August I posted the following:

I don't read every post on this forum but suggestions that there is a wide spread problem with the Puma universal joints is new to me (I also frequent the more global www.defender2.net (http://www.defender2.net/) forum). The only common thread I am aware of is that there is a problem associated with the uni joints and aftermarket suspension alterations. How many people have had uni problems with original suspension and how many people haven't had their problems resolved under warranty?

There were no replies. So again, has any one had any problems with with their CV joints, with original suspension?

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[one_iota]

Karl,

I haven't had a problem.

Where and how I drive probably wouldn't test the CV's to their limits though.

[c.h.i.e.f]

Exactally what one iota said :) standard tyres and suspension will be fine the only one I hav seen break the defeer had 2" lift and was given a hell of a hiding until it exploded the right hand cv :o if you hav a standard setup or even 2" lift and bigger tyres they will still hold up fine if you don't go too extreme....

[rovercare]

Exactally what one iota said :) standard tyres and suspension will be fine the only one I hav seen break the defeer had 2" lift and was given a hell of a hiding until it exploded the right hand cv :o if you hav a standard setup or even 2" lift and bigger tyres they will still hold up fine if you don't go too extreme....

Please enlighten me as to how a suspension lift has an effect on the constant velocity joints in the front diff?:D

[wagoo]

Suggestions that the CV joints in Pumas are no good has been raised in several posts in this thread. Last August I posted the following:

I don't read every post on this forum but suggestions that there is a wide spread problem with the Puma universal joints is new to me (I also frequent the more global www.defender2.net (http://www.defender2.net/) forum). The only common thread I am aware of is that there is a problem associated with the uni joints and aftermarket suspension alterations. How many people have had uni problems with original suspension and how many people haven't had their problems resolved under warranty?

There were no replies. So again, has any one had any problems with with their CV joints, with original suspension?

Cheers
KarlB
:)

I think you are refering to propshaft universal joints, wheras a CV joint is the term that we are using here to describe the front halfshaft joints inside the front swivel housings. A Double Cardan joint used on some LR front propshafts is also a CV joint of course but is usually referred to as a double cardan joint.
Wagoo.

[Drover]

Suggestions that the CV joints in Pumas are no good has been raised in several posts in this thread. Last August I posted the following:

I don't read every post on this forum but suggestions that there is a wide spread problem with the Puma universal joints is new to me (I also frequent the more global www.defender2.net (http://www.defender2.net/) forum). The only common thread I am aware of is that there is a problem associated with the uni joints and aftermarket suspension alterations. How many people have had uni problems with original suspension and how many people haven't had their problems resolved under warranty?

There were no replies. So again, has any one had any problems with with their CV joints, with original suspension?

Cheers
KarlB
:)


I have a 2" lift on the front only (Bull Bar/Winch fitted). Poly Air's in the rear - stock springs.

Have had no prob what-so-ever with uni's (breaking/binding/vibrating) or any CV issues.

Dont go extreme, but have been across the simpson with this set up.

Cheers

[TimNZ]

The only problems I've heard of with the Puma CV's is due to LR forgetting to fill the swivels with lubricant.

[KarlB]

I think you are refering to propshaft universal joints, wheras a CV joint is the term that we are using here to describe the front halfshaft joints inside the front swivel housings. A Double Cardan joint used on some LR front propshafts is also a CV joint of course but is usually referred to as a double cardan joint.
Wagoo.
Spot on Wagoo. Shows my ignorance of mechanical terminology. Oh well, never too old to learn!

Cheers
KarlB
:confused:

[c.h.i.e.f]

Mmm touche lol doesnt affect it at all being a live front haha points granted