99' D2 TD5 oil pump bolt failures again.

[BIG O]

WARNING::Just to add to the many posts already put out about these pieces of junk. Warning especially to 99 model D2 TD5 owners. Get your oil pump bolt done with loctite or suffer the same fate as many have before and I have now..bolt undoes itself and pump fails to rotate and pump oil to the engine components.....and to add to that we own two D2 TD5's a 99 and 03. The 03 was done last year and guess what NO LOCTITE either. So don't delay or you will end up on the side of the road unable to start your engine and a HUGE bill for towing and repairs. If you are lucky and see the oil pressure light come on early enough you may be able to save your engine before it completely destroys itself. At this stage I have ended up with damaged big end bearings on number 1 and 3 pistons, just after about 1 minute of running before I noticed the light on and was able to get off the road without causing an accident and shut it down. All this with the family in the car, Landrover should be taken to task about this problem and I'm sure if someone gets injured due to engine failure in traffic the **** will really hit the fan...BLOODY ANGRY..:mad:

[big guy]

Bump!

You have a really good point but I bet no-one will do anything and Land rover will just deny its a common problem.

All the best.

[Ean Austral]

I feel for you..but this has been on this site for years and if you knew about and done nothing then you cant fully blame Landrover..

Its a bad design on landrover behalf, but the car is 10 plus years old, dont think L/Rover will have much to say reguardless of what trouble it causes.


Hopefully we dont have to read about to many more suffering your fate.

Cheers Ean

[Disco EMU]

I feel for you too :( ... but I must admit, when I bought mine a couple of years ago, I was aware (thanks to the guys on this forum) about the issue and was advised to get the bolt checked asap. When the mechanic finally got to it ... he struggled to get the bolt off it was that tight! Still ... peace of mind and worth the money spent.

More good advice to anyone thinking of getting a D2 ... check the service history, ask the previous owner ... get the oil pump bolt checked anyway!

Cheers

Craig

[MickS]

I feel for you..but this has been on this site for years and if you knew about and done nothing then you cant fully blame Landrover..


But did he know about it? Or is it hindsight/20-20 vision after finding the information on here AFTER the bolt went?

Feel for you mate. Deja vu...****ing oil pump bolt and LRA :angrylock: They knew about it and did nothing.

Very different in the UK though.

[MickS]

Landrover Discovery Oil Pump Bolt Failure (http://www.amanet.co.uk/td5oilpump.htm)

[Ean Austral]

But did he know about it? Or is it hindsight/20-20 vision after finding the information on here AFTER the bolt went?

Feel for you mate. Deja vu...****ing oil pump bolt and LRA :angrylock: They knew about it and did nothing.

Very different in the UK though.

Dont get me wrong, I feel for anyone that this has happened to, but read his post..He has 2 TD5 cars get's the 03 checked and its loose, keeps driving the 99 and bang..

Its a bad design,and sure Landrover should have recalled and checked each 1 but we all know they didn't..

Cant put all the blame on L/rover when its well known fault and done 1 car then not the other..

As I said, I feel for him, and hope the penny finally drops and people act and we dont have to keep reading of this happening.

Told Dad for ages to get his checked, has an 04 model, finally does check it and its held on by 2 threads..Checked my 01 model twice and the bolt hadn't moved from new..

The TD5 lotto you dont want to win.. or loose depending on which way you see it..

Cheers Ean

[Psimpson7]

Very different in the UK though.

??? Don't think it was...

[robbotd5]

I have my TM2 wired to the pressure switch so if I loose oil pressure, a piercing noise is emitted form the TM2. I checked my bolt some time ago and there was no sign of loctite on the threads. It was tight though.
Regards
Robbo

[MickS]

??? Don't think it was...

Not the problem...same the world over from Azerbaijan to Zimbabwe...but LRUK's response was markedly different.

[Ean Austral]

What was the UK response Mick....Did they recall them over there?


Would certainly make things very different if they did..


Cheers Ean

[MickS]

What was the UK response Mick....Did they recall them over there?


Would certainly make things very different if they did..


Cheers Ean

I spoke with LRUK...they would not comment on individual cases, but each matter was dealt with individually and settled.

No recall was done in Australia - nor worldwide I suspect - as recalls are only concerned with "matters of safety.."

[Ean Austral]

I remember reading a couple of uk L/Rover mags and it seemed that they were treated the same as here..A bad luck attitude so to speak..

Hopefully the word has spread enough now so we dont need to read of this type of engine failure anymore..


Cheers Ean

[MickS]

It's a shame, because other than that..I would have no hesitation heading across the Simpson in .... hang on a sec...there was the oil in the harness...3 amigos...sagging arse end...fuel pump...front prop shaft...plastic dowels...warped manifold...jerky throttle in low range...door locks...window regulators...ignition switch...horn button...sagging roof line...no CDL...**** the Simpson, I'm just going to look at it in the driveway...:lol2:

[Psimpson7]

I know the pump problem was the same everywhere Mick!

The response in the UK to my knowledge very similar to here. Any resolved cases out of warranty would be in the minority.

[MickS]

I know the pump problem was the same everywhere Mick!

The response in the UK to my knowledge very similar to here. Any resolved cases out of warranty would be in the minority.

Well there you go...the bastards lied to me!!!! :mad:

[Ean Austral]

It's a shame, because other than that..I would have no hesitation heading across the Simpson in .... hang on a sec...there was the oil in the harness...3 amigos...sagging arse end...fuel pump...front prop shaft...plastic dowels...warped manifold...jerky throttle in low range...door locks...window regulators...ignition switch...horn button...sagging roof line...no CDL...**** the Simpson, I'm just going to look at it in the driveway...:lol2:

Where's your sense of adventure Mick...Hang on... all that started happening to mine AFTER we did the Canning....

Leave it in the driveway..be like most of the prado's and cruisers up here :wasntme:


Cheers Ean

[MickS]

Where's your sense of adventure Mick...Hang on... all that started happening to mine AFTER we did the Canning....

Leave it in the driveway..be like most of the prado's and cruisers up here :wasntme:


Cheers Ean

My sense of humour must still be intact though mate....I still have it!! [bigrolf] And it does get used for its intended purpose - And it never gets washed. It's dented. Scratched..locked..lifted...and I love it.

[foss]

it is a bastard issue...but tbh, its a land rover, they all have problems, its the first thing I changed after i bought it...if i ever get another model the first thing to do is search forums like this for common faults

[BIG O]

I just love the way blokes do the "I told you so" or "should have known better."
The purpose of my post was to warn others in particular 99 owners as they seem to be more likely to fail from what I read,
I said, "Just to add to the many posts already put out about these pieces of junk. Warning especially to 99 model D2 TD5 owners. Get your oil pump bolt done with loctite or suffer the same fate as many have before and I have now..." and to vent my own frustration with myself mainly and also LR. I take full responsibilty for leaving it too late, I have had this car for 6 months and never got around to it, dodgy 2nd dealer
"thought it was done" but this is my bad and mine only. I wasn't trying to tell you blokes who know a bit more than most anything new, just those that don't or may have put it off like me and I'm sure there are plenty when you look at how many have looked at the post.

[Ean Austral]

Dont recall saying "I told you So or "You should've known Better..

As I said more than once, hope people start to realise the end concequences of not checking the bolt and that we dont have to read of any more engine failures because of this..

Your opinion is they are piece of Junk..mine are over 8 yrs my D2 took me to all parts of this great country, and never failed to get me home..


I truely hope the costs are minimised by the fact you noticed the oil light..and your message has they desired effect..

Cheers Ean

[spudboy]

... I wasn't trying to tell you blokes who know a bit more than most anything new, just those that don't or may have put it off like me and I'm sure there are plenty when you look at how many have looked at the post.

Thanks for the reminder - I have been meaning to check my 2001 TD5 130 for ages and keep putting it off......

Oh - And I meant to say that I was sorry to hear of your situation. Soooo preventable with just 10 cents of Loctite by Land Rover when it was built

[foss]

oh, I was under the impression you said you'd checked the later model as yo uwere aware but didnt check the model it applied to the most? :confused:

[BIG O]

Yes I did check my 03 pump bolt, it was tight, but no loctite on it. In a fit of rage the reference to piece of junk is not the entire vehicle or engine just the oil pump , chain and bolt set up.
We have had zero problems with our 03 that we've had for 5 years now,, apart from the window regulator, an easy fix that doesn't potentially cause an accident when it fails, oh,and , that was what I was on about!.

[sclarke]

Ok what's involved in checking it???

I could work on the theory that mine has been around the globe 20 times and so if it was to fail it would have done it in the past 400,000km.

[Ean Austral]

There is a step by step proceedure in either the Good oil or projects & Tutorials section, would say its now in the Good oil.

It can be checked by just dropping the sump and sittting it on the dii and crossmember, as you can see the sprocket and get a socket on to see if its tight.
It is far easier to replace the bolt if you remove the sump completely.

Urban Panzers site also has a step by step as well from memory

discovery2.co.uk.

Cheers Ean

[Disco EMU]

From memory, my mechanic did the job in around two hours, including putting loctite on a new bolt ... there's a fair amount of work involved in removing the sump.

[adonuff]

I just checked mine a few weeks ago and as I posted in the other thread, Not very tight and no locktite, used little finger and a small 10mm spanner to undo it. 2002 Td5 auto. 140,000 k's.

[MickS]

IMHO, whatever MY TD5 you are driving - discovery/defender - get it looked at. A NEW td5 motor will set you back around $17k. Compare that to checking the bolt yourself, or a grease monkey for a couple of hunjee..I'd say it's cheap insurance.

[BIG O]

Picked up the car on Saturday from MR automotive. I think we were very lucky. All five big end bearings were replaced, 2nd hand oil pump, new sprocket and the usual new gaskets. Mains bearings were not affected and the crank bearing surface was said to be perfect ....wffhhooooo!!!:angel:. Only numbers 1 and 3 big end bearings had started to run dry in the to my calculation 400 to 500 metre oil pressure light on drive before I shut it down. The bolt only undid the smallest amount, just enough to let the sprocket turn on the pump shaft.
The rest of the engine including the turbo and alternator seem to have escaped damage as well. We were merely potting around leading up to the light coming on, which I think saved us.

I now had possibly a little more harmonic like vibration at 100km/h 2200rpm at first but that seems to be lessening the more I drive it. FINGERS CROSSED:eek:

More good news,,no oil leaks anywhere on the engine anymore..

All up including towing it twice, We spent about 2200 hundred. I should have saved if I had of done the bolt like I did our 2nd TD5 (wifes car so done first), but didn't get around to it, although it was on the list......

[spudboy]

Not too bad a result. I was thinking a lot more than $2,200....

Glad it's sorted and back on the road again.
Cheers
David

[BIG O]

Thanks mate. I've been so paranoid about it happening it's like I almost willed it to happen and as a result I was expecting it to happen and that's the only reason we got off fairly easy. If my wife had borrowed the car, a whole different result.

[Jason789]

A few hours of work and a couple of drops of loctite does a lot to calm the nerves/dollars.

Cheers,

Jason