FL1 V6 - Kia engine?

[nsgnomad]

I have read through the FL section and gather that the V6 engine had its problems and that it was either a Kia derived engine or the Kia engine was derived from LR.
Either way does that mean that the Kia vehicles that also use the 2.5 KV6 (eg Carnival) also share the same issues that the FL1 has with this engine?
Anyone able to comment from their own experience or reliable information?
thanks

[BigJon]

Kia used the LR engine (KV6) and the Carnival V6 was / is notorious for engine failures (slipped liners).

[PhilipA]

As I understand nearly ALL of the BL engines sold to KIA had to be replaced. OUCH.
Regards Philip A

[woko]

They are a rover engine but kia used the earlier liner design as was used in the K1.8 delivered to Australia (We only got upgraded engine for replacements as 1.8 was dropped) . V6 freelanders do slip liners but no where near as bad as the earlier K engines.

[Ausfree]

Woko, was that the engine (the earlier KV6) used in the Rover 825? Apparently they were a different engine than the one used in the FL1. From what I have read they had a terrible reputation for expiring before 60,000miles. They had a limited run and had to be redesigned.
The reference I have here says:
" The differences between the early and late KV6 are that the block/liners are dimensionally more accurate, with more tolerance bands. The heads are the same ,although Rover changed the top covers. The inlet manifold is totally different, it does not have the dual butterfly-type throttle body like the early one. the engine management has also been changed in favour of the Siemens 2000 system over the earlier MEMS 2J system.. Things like the accoustic cover have been changed in appearance, as well as detail plumbing"
I think the important bit is the block/liners are more accurate, the rest is perhaps cosmetic. Your thoughts???:)

[barefoot]

yes the engine is the same but someone was telling me its more reliable in the freelander than the carnival, dont know why, maybe the size of vehicle has something to do with it?

[BigJon]

Probably to do with size and height of the radiator, coupled with the fact i Freelander has the radiator at the front where it should be, not underneath as vans do.

[nsgnomad]

As I understand nearly ALL of the BL engines sold to KIA had to be replaced. OUCH.
Regards Philip A

So surely by now any of the earlier vehicles would have been rectified?


Woko, was that the engine (the earlier KV6) used in the Rover 825? Apparently they were a different engine than the one used in the FL1. From what I have read they had a terrible reputation for expiring before 60,000miles. They had a limited run and had to be redesigned.
The reference I have here says:
" The differences between the early and late KV6 are that the block/liners are dimensionally more accurate, with more tolerance bands. )


yes the engine is the same but someone was telling me its more reliable in the freelander than the carnival, dont know why, maybe the size of vehicle has something to do with it?

Thanks guys for the info. Does this meant that at some stage Kia introduced the later series KV6? If so when did they appear in the carnivals?
Cheers

[woko]

Woko, was that the engine (the earlier KV6) used in the Rover 825? Apparently they were a different engine than the one used in the FL1. From what I have read they had a terrible reputation for expiring before 60,000miles. They had a limited run and had to be redesigned.
The reference I have here says:
" The differences between the early and late KV6 are that the block/liners are dimensionally more accurate, with more tolerance bands. The heads are the same ,although Rover changed the top covers. The inlet manifold is totally different, it does not have the dual butterfly-type throttle body like the early one. the engine management has also been changed in favour of the Siemens 2000 system over the earlier MEMS 2J system.. Things like the accoustic cover have been changed in appearance, as well as detail plumbing"
I think the important bit is the block/liners are more accurate, the rest is perhaps cosmetic. Your thoughts???:)

Unsure what the rover 825 had for a engine. I know the Kia has a different intake manifold to freelander but the Rover 75/MG ZT has a different intake to freelander as well but uses the Siemens 2000 management system. one of the cylinder liner upgrades was put across the whole K series engines in 00/01. There was another but haven't seen what the upgrade involves. You could see the difference it made to the K1.8 from the MGF (same liner design as early freelander) to the MGTF ( same liner design as 01 onwards freelander) They were a much less prone to liner failure.
Yes block/liner design is the important part, aswell as a thermostat upgrade. intakes and engine management had nothing to do with the engine liner failures

[Scouse]

825s & 827s had the Honda engines. Great donks providing the oil changes were done on the dot. Miss a few & they'd clog up the oil ways :(.