80" ?49 is it worth it?

[digger]

many know I am partial to a few different types of landy...

the s1, the ex mil swb s2a, the gunbuggy (MMM THE GUNBUGGY!) but I was attracted to the marque originally by the appearance of a 80" s1.

(everyone knows them! )
I have the chance to obtain one I am advised is a 49, it is rough and so although Im keen Im unsure..

Im after an idea of a good price, Im sure the seller isnt trying to rip me off, (he is a good bloke and straight as a die) BUT is this a reasonable price or should I wait?

photos follow:-
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firewall is shot, not sure about chassis (neither is he!)
will come with front panels etc, a ringpull or push button "AUTO" gearbox/transfer case and 2l motor (running) probably from a '54 model.

will look at what else is needed (eg 4 correct rims) and add as he can, has extra dashes with dials and steering wheels, ..

asking $1350 ... I also have negotiated for an allegedly rustfree firewall from a 49 for under $500..

so-what do you think, is it worth it?

digger

[Mick_Marsh]

Not worth it. Let me know where it is and I'll dispose of the rubbish in a suitable manner. I'll just go and hitch up the trailer.

From the photo it doesn't look to be in pristine condition. Does it have mechanicals? Does it run? Does it drive?

I've been looking around for a S1 myself. The type I am after would be a reasonably complete going, running example. The ones I have been looking at have been getting three, four, five thousand plus.
The ones requiring much more work have still been getting in the thousand dollars plus.
I've got my eye on a very early one without a roof. It requires some work but most of it is there. The current owner is hinting about the $4k mark but won't commit to selling. I think it might be worth it.
There are a couple of restored ones (Unique Cars magazine and The Healey Factory) for around $25k.

[Landy Smurf]

i would seel my s1 1954 86inch if some one wants to buy it it is complete and running.has a s3 2.25l petrol though

[Landy Smurf]

digger i think if the panels are reasonable or good and the axles are good then it might not be to bad

[digger]

thanks Mick, ...always helpful you are!!
added more photos and info to original post (called away to phone 1/2 way thru)

here is the snap I took (without looking) underneath...
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I also found a reasonable 80" donor car on our trip.. sitting at abandoned house..

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the optional land rover pressure release cap (rare Im told)
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between the two...and with the other firewall I reckon Im a chance!

digger


Smurf!!! now you have a reason to be BLUE (that looks cold matey!!)
cheers

[Landy Smurf]

that donor looks great

[digger]

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last shots from the ? 49 ?

(serial from firewall comes back as 49)

[Mick_Marsh]

Always willing to help!
From what I've seen, I think that is about right. See if you can get the bulkhead thrown in for free.

[digger]

Always willing to help!
From what I've seen, I think that is about right. See if you can get the bulkhead thrown in for free.

thanks! couldnt recall correct name..firewall fitted for the moment!

bulkhead from different source (about 800 k away from this vehicle!)

[Landy Smurf]

ouch
where is the donor car from where you are. and do you know if you can get it yet or is it not for sale?

[digger]

ouch
where is the donor car from where you are. and do you know if you can get it yet or is it not for sale?

still working on donor car.... hard to work out owner... but on it...

also have some other things I spotted whilst away I'll chuck in here...
wide wheel set for s1..

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havent seen them before!

[Landy Smurf]

all rims will fit s1, is the difference between the s1 and later ones the width?

[digger]

all rims will fit s1, is the difference between the s1 and later ones the width?

aware of that thanks mate,the 49 i looked at has rangie rims on it at present!

[Landy Smurf]

what does it look like withthe rangie ones.oh i was unsure if the difference was the width i was wondering if you knew?

[digger]

what does it look like withthe rangie ones.oh i was unsure if the difference was the width i was wondering if you knew?

I actually think theyre normal width but offset rims.. I think anyway!

[slug_burner]

what does it look like withthe rangie ones.oh i was unsure if the difference was the width i was wondering if you knew?

Yes the 80" have narrower rims than later vehicles I think there may be 4 1/2" rims later ones I belive to be 5". There is also something about where the valve stem pokes out in relation to the wheel centre either in the void or in the place where the centre is solid and welded to the outer rim (round bit)

[Landy Smurf]

just wondering how common is it for s1 rims to be flogged out where the stud holes are?

[JayBoRover]

There's a fair amount of detail on the rim widths and measurements, including an excellent diagram from Diana, for the various models here:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-2-2a/118047-rim-size.html

The measurements I made of the Land Rover rim on my S2A were later checked against my 80" S1 and the rims are identical. The S1 rims are stamped as 10/49 and it's a 1950 model sold out in April 1950, so the rims seem genuine and correct for age and model. (There is of course a possibility that the spare on the S2A is in fact a S1 rim). I don't understand why they are 6" wide rims when all advice I've had to date says it should be a 4.5" rim, but that's another matter.

Cheers
John B

[260AC]

I have the chance to obtain one I am advised is a 49, it is rough and so although Im keen Im unsure..

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/32599d1295522615-80-49-worth-49-s1-pl-8-.jpg



R8666136 'In' 20/05/49 'Out' 08/08/49 To Champions Adelaide

[123rover50]

many know I am partial to a few different types of landy...

the s1, the ex mil swb s2a, the gunbuggy (MMM THE GUNBUGGY!) but I was attracted to the marque originally by the appearance of a 80" s1.

(everyone knows them! )
I have the chance to obtain one I am advised is a 49, it is rough and so although Im keen Im unsure..

Im after an idea of a good price, Im sure the seller isnt trying to rip me off, (he is a good bloke and straight as a die) BUT is this a reasonable price or should I wait?

photos follow:-
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firewall is shot, not sure about chassis (neither is he!)
will come with front panels etc, a ringpull or push button "AUTO" gearbox/transfer case and 2l motor (running) probably from a '54 model.

will look at what else is needed (eg 4 correct rims) and add as he can, has extra dashes with dials and steering wheels, ..

asking $1350 ... I also have negotiated for an allegedly rustfree firewall from a 49 for under $500..

so-what do you think, is it worth it?

digger

YES> YES> YES> I would go for it at that price.

[Aaron IIA]

If it is a Champions Land Rover, does it have the optional R4P oil filter on the firewall? Does it have a ring pull transfer case and floor panel? It looks like a bit of work, but you would have to strip everything anyway. Look for straightish panels. Repairing a chassis is easy compared to metal shrinking aluminium. I would not be put off by the price, but bear in mind that keen enthusiasts really look for matching numbers everywhere.

Aaron.

[series1buff]

Just how many 49 and 50 models are out there ???? They seem to be all over the place . Around here , there are more earlier vehicles than the later 52 / 53 models..... which are rarer it seems . If you are handy with bending metal, you can make up most of the body panels yourself .....just go down to your local aluminium supplier , enrol at your local TAFE ( where you will have access to guillotines and folders etc. ) , and buy a few sheets of 18 guage and start bending/shaping Handy if you did metalwork at high school...... but thinking about it, that might be a liability too!

MIKE

[wrinklearthur]

still working on donor car.... hard to work out owner... but on it...

also have some other things I spotted whilst away I'll chuck in here...
wide wheel set for s1..

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havent seen them before!

Have a look at Morris Commercial , same stud pattern, hole in centre needs a very slight amount machine out to fit Land Rover hub.
Rim offset is greater to the outside and very heavy

Cheers Arthur

[wrinklearthur]

There's a fair amount of detail on the rim widths and measurements, including an excellent diagram from Diana, for the various models here:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-2-2a/118047-rim-size.html

The measurements I made of the Land Rover rim on my S2A were later checked against my 80" S1 and the rims are identical. The S1 rims are stamped as 10/49 and it's a 1950 model sold out in April 1950, so the rims seem genuine and correct for age and model. (There is of course a possibility that the spare on the S2A is in fact a S1 rim). I don't understand why they are 6" wide rims when all advice I've had to date says it should be a 4.5" rim, but that's another matter.

Cheers
John B

Hi all

I believe that the rims were 4.5" for first year then 5.0" for all the early models until they introduced the series 2 - 109". LWB rim sizes then increased to 5.50" for fitting 7.50 x 16 tyres and as an option for the 88".

This is the information that I lifted from the 1948-53 parts catalogue Part No 4051.

Road wheel, well base rim type ... ... Qty 5 ... ... Part No 231601
Road wheel detachable rim type ... ... Qty 5 ... ... Part No 217267
Special bolt and nut for detachable rim type wheel ... ...
... ... Qty 8 ... ... Part No 243471

Information from the series II and IIA parts catalogue ... Part No 4051.

The Part No's for the rims remain the same as the 80" for the 88"

Road wheel, well base rim type ... ... Qty 5 ... ... Part No 231601
Road wheel detachable rim type ... ... Qty 5 ... ... Part No 217267
Special bolt and nut for detachable rim type wheel ... ...
... ... Qty 8 ... ... Part No 243471

The Part No for the rims for the 109";
Road wheel, well base rim type ... ... Qty 5 ... ... Part No 272309

Also there is an rare option for all series II models
15" Road wheel to fit 8.20" x 15" sand tyres ... ... Part No 526753
this 15" option was available more commonly in North America.

Many thanks to Frank Sharp in Hobart for citing this information.

Cheers Arthur

[The ho har's]

Well did you buy it?????

I found a nice '49? while away............

and sorry I could not look up the chassis number for you when you rang but we were holidaying in Tassie and touring with "wrinklearthur" and other LROT :D


Mrs hh:angel:

[digger]

Well did you buy it?????

I found a nice '49? while away............

and sorry I could not look up the chassis number for you when you rang but we were holidaying in Tassie and touring with "wrinklearthur" and other LROT :D


Mrs hh:angel:

do tell about the ?49....

Yeah sorry about the late night SMS thing but I was checking it out and couldnt wait to find out, thanks to Reece (DARKSIDE) for the almost instant reply (seriously quick!)

I'm keen depending on if I can secure the 'donor' car I found and the $400 (allegedly 49) firewall...so all up hoping will be out for $2000 (or if there is a god!!). under that!!

Then wil have to buy BACK IN a dedicated telephone so I can constantly contact him for help!!! (just a head up there Ian!)

will PM you guys later, all there high and dry I hope?

cheers
digger

[back_in]

Yes Digger
you have my phone number
cheers
Ian

[260AC]

Hi all

I believe that the rims were 4.5" for first year then 5.0" for all the early models

The 4.5" rim is part 217629

[wrinklearthur]

wide wheel set ....havent seen them before!

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I have, they are found on 1950's Morris Commercials

[bulletproof]

Up until halfway through 1949 most rims were 4 1/2 inch with no date.

The valves are by the vent and they are flat around the centre hole. Most have unfinished welds on the joints. Inside the the well of the rim is a stamp showing the size 4.50 x 16

From mid 1949 Rover changed to a 5 inch rim which carried through to the series 2 and they are dated with Month and year. Example 6/49

Here is a photo showing both types. The one on the right is 48-49

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/03/859.jpg

Cheers Richard

[Mick-Kelly]

I would snap it up. Mine is slightly older (Sept 49) and i paid only a few hundred but bulkhead is shot and engine is non original and headlight panel has been changed to a later model. Go for it.

[digger]

I did get it, but it is badly rusted :(

I also picked up a parts car on the West Coast for a carton! :)
(its a 53) neither have front panels .. neither have correct grille panel

its here and one day I'll collect enough bits to get it up and running.

I'd truely love a running 80"....