Aftermarket Windows for 02D2

[landyprincess]

Hi All,
Hope everyone is well :-) Probably another one of my odd posts here LOL!

As a follow on to my 3rd row seating thread thought I would start a new thread as the topic is different...

I was wondering whether any folk had in their travels within LR land, within Australia or Abroad ever come across aftermarket windows for the rear cargo area for a 2000 D2 that open in some way shape or form?

I'm researching into sunroofs, however windows sound like it may be easier if such a product exists....

Any suggestions, thoughts....

Thanks,
Lp

[wardy1]

Watching this one with interest, sliding windows in the back would be great for our KRT (Kid Replacement Therapy)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

dont throw anything--:o
but you know some of the 7 seaters had rear aircon,,

(and one of the windows is the radio aeriel:angel:)


and no!
I've NEVER seen a D2 with a back window that opens. ;):D

wheres the pic of the KRT Wardy?

[landyprincess]

dont throw anything--:o
but you know some of the 7 seaters had rear aircon....



the 2 year old might throw something, not me LOL!!! :-p

I am aware yes, however... converting a 5 seater non air to an aired flavour.... can it even be done? Thought aftermarket windows would be a cost effective option instead...

Annoying that they make none of these with windows that open given that theres the option to install 3rd row seats or they come with them!!! I'd have thought in the UK aircon would be the last thing used - not like they have 'real' summers over there anywayS LOL...

I've so far only found a couple of companies that make sliding windows, pop out windows or non moveable windows but they are for vans - think i'll still give them a call Monday though and see what they suggest...


cheers,
Lp

[tapout]

Great thread, I've converted mine from 5 to 7 also and would like to see the outcome of this thread.

[Discobaker]

Absolutely a great thread, a question I've always wondered about, I've got the 7 seats & rear air con but some more airflow back there would be great

[Pinelli]

I've got the rear aircon in my 7 seater, and while I haven't had a close look at it, I suspect it's a totally separate, electrically powered system, separate to the front one, so shouldn't be too hard to install. Just need 12 V :)

Plus the vents and pipes I suppose. But at least no plumbing to the compressor in the engine bay. It's controlled by the switch in the second row, and only works when the front zones are on.

[landyprincess]

okaaaaaaaaaayyyy...

Well - had a look @ the RAVE CD last night for the rear aircon system and while I understood what needed to be done it does look like a bit of a big undertaking. Having said that, I was quoted 1K for the rear aircon system out of an ES in kit form .... no idea if that's expensive or on the money??

I then got in contact with the sydney company re the openable windows and while I was told that there were aftermarket windows for a patrol, he would get back to me - so I am waiting for his reply from his manufacturer.

I then went on the path of calling some sunroof installers and was quoted 1100 for an aftermarket sunroof and if I wanted to get my headliner all replaced from the same company at the same time that was going to set me back 1200 for a new one (note this was only for a rear sunroof NOT two). A total seperate company quoted me 2K for an aftermarket sunroof alone!! :eek:

So my research continues.... i've also just had a brainwave and remembered that there's a cigarette plug in the rear cargo area so perhaps for the kids sitting in the back I may just go with a 12V mini car fan ?!?!?!?

Just did a google search and 1st off the rank was Koolatron 12V Mini Car Fan
buggered if I know any more but has anyone had something similar installed and how well do they work? Think i'm gonna go off and research that one now...



Thanks,
Lp

[Sully]

Wouldn't opening the rear passenger windows a little create enough airflow into the back of the car?

[landyprincess]

Wouldn't opening the rear passenger windows a little create enough airflow into the back of the car?

yes and no.... but honestly, not something where I would probably always want a window/s open only because of the ages of the little ones... been in enough 4wd's in my time as a kid at the back and know only too well how hot/stuffy it can get in the cargo area in summer / warm weather (even w/ aircon on or windows 'fully' open).... :-)

[landyprincess]

Morning all,
hope you are well... :-)

My research continues and I have been in contact with about 4 UK landrover 'specialists' and thus far, one has replied stating that no such option exists to convert the cargo windows to be opened. I am still waiting to hear from the guy in NSW and the rest from OS.

So far price wise and for those interested (Melb prices):

1. New sunroof and headliner fitted - 1200 > 2K depending on model
2. Factory sunroof kit from ES model from wreckers - 1K
3. Aftermarket air - 1K not fitted and some parts still needed or probably around 1500K fitted w/ extra parts....

I'm not wanting to spend that much money at all given whats already been spent on seats for the 3rd row area and work that needs to be done engine wise)...

Cheap option but not suitable from boating/caravan places are those oscillating fans but I think given the cargo space just won't work.

So in the interim my research continues for other products....

I've come across a few, again from overseas and locally which can probably be best described as fan blowers but the long rectangle ones which could either be roof or floor mounted, similar to under-dash aircon units only without the aircon unit/compressor etc.

Which brings me onto my question:

One of the products while it is 12V compatible has a recommendation for the product to be connected to a power source that can handle 15amps.

I do not understand volts, amps and how currents work in car batteries or with these 12V connections but would something like the amperage used be best connected directly to the cars main battery or would the 12V cigarette lighter connection be acceptible?

What ever unit I go with in the end, it's use would be while Lp is running not while in auxillary or similar mode - not sure if that has an impact on anything such as battery life....??

Seeking some help if someone can clarify please :-)

thanks again,

Lp

[Sully]

I'm not wanting to spend that much money at all given whats already been spent on seats for the 3rd row area and work that needs to be done engine wise)...

Hey LP, morning to you too.

A couple of options I can think of in reference to the windows being able to open at the cheapest price:

1. Pop out the existing windows and have hinges, plus a locking handle added to it. Drilling holes in the glass and adding those components isn't too tricky. However, attaching those hinges and locking mechanism to the fram of the car is a bit more complicated and will end up costing as much as getting a sunroof installed.

2. Pop out the existing windows, fill the window surround with a sill and runners for placement of sliding half glass, get new tempered glass cut to fit.
Again, I believe that this would be a costly exercise due to the one off manufacturing involved.

Not to discourage you from doing it, but I think it's very telling as to why nobody has done it before. It may be a safety requirement built into the design of the car that does not allow for the rear windows to open.

I'd be sticking with the idea of using electric fans until you've got the funds to install a sunroof or air con.

EDIT...
As to the 12v and 15amp question...

12V is the voltage that your battery puts out for accessories, such as your radio, cigarette lighter and the aux socket. The amps is the current draw from the device... In short, you won't drain the battery when your driving around with the fan on.

[landyprincess]

Not to discourage you from doing it, but I think it's very telling as to why nobody has done it before. It may be a safety requirement built into the design of the car that does not allow for the rear windows to open.


Thanks for the reply Sully, no discouragement on my part, i'm a stickler for my research and if it can help anyone else along the way, just as you are helping me out too....it's all good :-)

As for the safety requirement, I think its more a design / option flaw or lack there of. I know we are not talking about vans, but IMO i'd think they'd be alot more 'structurally' unsound than a landrover yet have windows such as what I am after available as aftermarket products. Probably comes more down to demand - it's probably just not there.



As to the 12v and 15amp question...

12V is the voltage that your battery puts out for accessories, such as your radio, cigarette lighter and the aux socket. The amps is the current draw from the device... In short, you won't drain the battery when your driving around with the fan on.

Now I am intrigued with this one... If the airconditioner, dvd head rests, radio and rear fan is going .... how does one work out the drain on the battery?

How many ON devices while the car is running can one run ? Is there a 'rule-of-thumb" out there or some 'technical' literature that you (or others) know of.... ?? Not sure if there's a black science to it all???

Maybe a better question to ask - at what point do people put in a dual battery?

Thanks,
Lp

[Scouse]

You might find that opening windows in the rear 1/4 are illegal.

There's a limit how far back an opening window can be - something like 300mm (don't quote me on 300mm being exact though) from the exhaust.

[clubagreenie]

Re the structural integrity, the disco windows are glued in and are a part of the frame structure. Just as the windscreen is now. In a caravan the windows have an external frame and so this provides structural support when they are open.

Also as above the exhaust must be at least x mm behind the most rearward opening on the vehicle, which is why you don't see many side exiting exhausts.

[landyprincess]

Also as above the exhaust must be at least x mm behind the most rearward opening on the vehicle, which is why you don't see many side exiting exhausts.


Thx for the replies much appreciated - that does make sense. I am aware of the exhaust requirement in VIC ....

I should post a photo of hubbys exhausts on his FJ40 - completely illegal but nice pipe work !!! :eek:

Cheers,
Lp

edit - exhaust pic u/l - side exiting 15 degree angle :-) !!

[Sully]

Now I am intrigued with this one... If the airconditioner, dvd head rests, radio and rear fan is going .... how does one work out the drain on the battery?

How many ON devices while the car is running can one run ? Is there a 'rule-of-thumb" out there or some 'technical' literature that you (or others) know of.... ?? Not sure if there's a black science to it all???

Maybe a better question to ask - at what point do people put in a dual battery?

Thanks,
Lp

The devices in your car, radio, aircon, DVD, lights, potential fan in the back, all run from the alternator, not the battery.

From memory, the alterator puts out 130amps at idle and a max of 220 amps when running at speed.

You'll start to see the alternator struggling if you're running high powered extras constantly. Things like high powered stereo amplifiers, car fridges e.t.c.
You can often tell if an alternator is struggling at night time when there is excessive power drain by looking at the headlights of the car. If they grow brighter when the revs increase, or pulse with the beat of the stereo.

The factory alternator will handle running the aircon, stereo e.t.c. without any problems at all, so the addition of either a fan, or an aircon in the back won't cause any over the top drain which would cause the extra power required to come from the battery.

You would consider getting an extra battery for a couple of reasons. One being as an extra battery for jump starting (in the instance of your primary battery failing), another being for running aux items such as a winch, camping fridges/lights e.t.c so as to not cause drain on your primary battery which is used for starting the car.

[landyprincess]

The devices in your car, radio, aircon, DVD, lights, potential fan in the back, all run from the alternator, not the battery.

You would consider getting an extra battery for a couple of reasons. One being as an extra battery for jump starting (in the instance of your primary battery failing), another being for running aux items such as a winch, camping fridges/lights e.t.c so as to not cause drain on your primary battery which is used for starting the car.

Thanks for the reply - i've learnt something new!!

The generator does a more than good enough job and a gas fridge & hubby has the winch so not a biggie about the dual battery - one less thing to not have to look into LOL :-)

Cheers,
Lp



note - URL to my research as posted in market place alerts, if I am not allowed to put the link in here admins, pls remove. thx

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/marketplace-alerts/121538-12v-air-blowers-oscillating-fans-under-dash-units.html#post1413942

[Narangga]

You might find that opening windows in the rear 1/4 are illegal.

There's a limit how far back an opening window can be - something like 300mm (don't quote me on 300mm being exact though) from the exhaust.

So how does a stock Defender qualify then? I assume the measurement is from the fore-most point of the fixed glass of the window.

Currently too lazy to go down and measure them at Derek's. ;)

[landyprincess]

Hi All,
I'm just re-visiting this old thread I started about additional air for the 3 and 4 year old in the cargo area from converting my 5 seater to a 7 seater.

In the end, I bought a small oscillating fan, extension cigarette cable and after a bit of mucking about have screwed the base of the fan into the top of the headboard lining (where the light @ the front is) and tucked the wires under the trim following from the top of the window/side of the dash/under steering column to cigarette plug.

Given the hot weather we have had, I was a bit dubious but must admit that on those 33+ degree days while strapping the kids into their seats in the cargo area - the combination of the fan oscillating and airconditioner worked a treat spreading the cool air.

All up the price of an oscillating fan & extension cable (<30$) has been a good outcome for me. I did need to put a screw hole (well two) into the upper top headboard to fix the base of the fan to but that's not a biggie for me.

I do get a bit of vibration (=noise) at the present time from the fan when its on and may tackle that with a cut to size strip of flat rubber and putting that in-between the base of the fan and bottom of the headboard trim. The noise personally doesn't bother me, after all how much more louder can it get with 4 noisy kids and the radio on lol ;)

(btw - no idea if it's called the headboard trim. The plastic stuff with the pockets / light up on the roof.)

I also purchased some black static cling window film (the ones with heaps of tiny holes) from a company in melbourne and cut those out 10mm in from the cargo windows and the alpine windows to reduce the heat for the kids in the back. An absolute bugger to cut but I find that works well too.

All in all, not an overly expensive exercise and very happy with the result :-D

Cheers,
Lp

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

Where the standard disco has a bin either side of the cargo area, the 7 seater ES has no bins i they have a panel which the rear seats bolt too to fold up.
On the passenger side in the cargo area behind the panel is where the secondary aircon system sits.

[landyprincess]

While this is all secondary to me now, out of curiosity what year LR has the air from the top of the roof or is that the ES also? (I looked into a secondary aircon system - too much$'s IMO) ...



Where the standard disco has a bin either side of the cargo area, the 7 seater ES has no bins i they have a panel which the rear seats bolt too to fold up.
On the passenger side in the cargo area behind the panel is where the secondary aircon system sits.

[twodoors]

While this is all secondary to me now, out of curiosity what year LR has the air from the top of the roof or is that the ES also? (I looked into a secondary aircon system - too much$'s IMO) ...



Wasn't year related...it is spec related...
James

[northiam]

With rear ac the load space is a little smaller and the rear seats are closer together! I small inconveniance I suppose for rear ac which works a treat.

[PaulMc0308]

With rear ac the load space is a little smaller and the rear seats are closer together! I small inconveniance I suppose for rear ac which works a treat.


Here's some pics of a 7-seater fitted with rear aircon, with seats folded and unfolded -

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/03/1207.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v686/paulmc0308/16869504.jpg) . https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/03/1208.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v686/paulmc0308/16869512.jpg) . https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/03/1209.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v686/paulmc0308/16869632.jpg)


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/03/1210.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v686/paulmc0308/16869636.jpg) . https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/03/1211.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v686/paulmc0308/16869640.jpg)


It's not my DII - just some pictures I found, of a car for sale on the web.


Paul.

1989 Arles Blue 2.5TD 110 Hardtop
1999 Epsom Green Discovery II 4.0 V8i XS

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/770.jpg



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[northiam]

see how the folded away left hand seat is completely recessed compared to the rear ac model
Photo Gallery - carsales.com.au (http://www.carsales.com.au/Gallery.aspx?R=12239419&index=8&track=IMAGEVIEWER&h_mid=4415219&f_mid=0&c_mid=4414495&TabId=304736)

[landyprincess]

Thanks Paul and Northiam for your replies (as everyone else)...

I like the concept of air from the roof for the 3rd row occupants but not the compromise on boot space.

I had considered moving to an ES model, but suffice to say after all the work I have had to Lp... and more work I will have done in the future am happy to stick with my trusty converted 5 > 7 seater & the installed fan :-D

(As clean as the 4 kids are, I think the white seats would do my head in lol)...

Cheers,
Lp