Remotes and Keys

[stormfour]

I had to get a new key fob for my Range Rover about 14 months ago,and as it had to be sent from the UK I was up for $428,so I paid it and the new key was duly sent through ULR in Melbourne,now the remote does not work and ULR tell me that there was always a problem with those remotes that Land Rover were apparantly aware of.Anyway ULR told me that I would have to get a complete new lock set and then my computer would be sent to Sydney for recoding all this would cost $2600,so Last week when I rang to book it in they told me that the lock set I needed was now obsolete and the new one that is available can not be coded into my existing computer so I will have to replace that too all this at a cost of $6500.
Anybody know of a way around this,if I was to get a lock set and ECU second hand from another vehicle could this be coded to my main computer??
HELP

[Hoges]

all seems a bit suss to me... however...easiest option is to disable the alarm and use the key as a straight mechanical lock... cheers

[Keithy P38]

Very suss....

[DT-P38]

Sounds like typical dealer/stealer GOUGING to me.

You gotta remember that a lot of the people working(?) in these places actually go to CTS (Clown Training School) for qualification before they get their LR/RR positions... you know, they are just very funny people!!!

Try calling AMV in Ringwood, they have been the best (for honesty and value) that I have been able to find across Melbourne in the last 10 years of P38 ownership... They are happy to give advice, can either supply new or second hand parts and even let you supply your own parts (like if you have the time to go trawling ebay UK or similar).

Either way, do yourself a favour and avoid being GOUGED by at least letting them check out the problem for you.

[51jay]

you can get lock sets for reasonable price in the UK online sales

[p38arover]

Does the key work and not the remote?

If not, then I'd suggest your car, like mine, had the lockset changed at some time and the LR mechanics never recorded the new lockset no. As a result, the LR records will show the original lockset info and you will be unable to order a key to match the installed lockset.

Ask me how I know. At least my dealer refunded the money when the key didn't fit.

The dealer can check the records to see if the lockset has been changed.

[Rupert Prior]

there are many ways round the problem.
it might be possible to repair your original key.
or reprogram your becm to the code they ordered the new key on.
or get a lock set yourself (about $1700) and send me your becm for programing.
or de activate the alarm and have after market remotes.
or no remotes just the key.
but the first thing to do is get hold of the code they ordered your new key on as if you have the code the key is worth something even if you sell it.

[p38arover]

but the first thing to do is get hold of the code they ordered your new key on as if you have the code the key is worth something even if you sell it.

That should be possible. I got mine from the dealer when I ordered the key. It was on the LR database.

[stormfour]

Does the key work and not the remote?

If not, then I'd suggest your car, like mine, had the lockset changed at some time and the LR mechanics never recorded the new lockset no. As a result, the LR records will show the original lockset info and you will be unable to order a key to match the installed lockset.

Ask me how I know. At least my dealer refunded the money when the key didn't fit.

The dealer can check the records to see if the lockset has been changed.
The remote did work for a while then just stopped.and as there are no more keys available for this car I have to get a new lock set that would come with 2 keys,but now they are saying that the lock sets are no longer available and the new ones can not be coded to my BECM.AND the back doors dont even unlock or lock when I use the key,I have to unlock and lock them manually!!!

[stormfour]

there are many ways round the problem.
it might be possible to repair your original key.
or reprogram your becm to the code they ordered the new key on.
or get a lock set yourself (about $1700) and send me your becm for programing.
or de activate the alarm and have after market remotes.
or no remotes just the key.
but the first thing to do is get hold of the code they ordered your new key on as if you have the code the key is worth something even if you sell it.

I wasn;t aware that there were after market remotes !! where would I get this from.Also you suggested that I get a new lock set and send the BECM for programming,this I would love to do,but I am having problems finding one,I have done extensive research and I cant find any body who has them being as Land Rover no longer guarantees them as they are classed as obsolete.

[p38arover]

I wasn;t aware that there were after market remotes !! where would I get this from.Also you suggested that I get a new lock set and send the BECM for programming,this I would love to do,but I am having problems finding one,I have done extensive research and I cant find any body who has them being as Land Rover no longer guarantees them as they are classed as obsolete.

I hadn't heard of aftermarket remotes, either. However, you can get your remote repaired by a mob in the UK. They can also clone your remote. I'll try to find their details.

I bought a spare BECM from a fellow forum member. You might try Andrew E on this forum. He wrecks P38As and had a lockset/BECM for sale.

You can get them reprogrammed by Lee Bourgeois on Labtronx in Mittagong NSW LAB Electronics Electronics for the Automotive Industry (http://www.labtronx.com.au/). (Rupert, do you reprogram ECMs?)

[Rupert Prior]

you mentioned the central locking does not work correctly. this could be part of an under lying problem, it could be stopping the resync of the remotes. it could be just a broken door latch. how many doors do not work? also in the engine comp fuse box there is a green relay which is identified by a picture of a key on the legend inside the lid, swap this with another relay (not one from something vital). there are many other things to try before you start parting with loads of cash.
the cheap after market remotes need some fiddling to fit and would not use the original secuity system, they also need the central locking to work. i contacted the guy in uk who claims to clone the remotes but after i asked him how we could get stuff from him to Australia he never returned another email.
and yes i do reprogram becm units and do some remote key fob repairs.

[stormfour]

you mentioned the central locking does not work correctly. this could be part of an under lying problem, it could be stopping the resync of the remotes. it could be just a broken door latch. how many doors do not work? also in the engine comp fuse box there is a green relay which is identified by a picture of a key on the legend inside the lid, swap this with another relay (not one from something vital). there are many other things to try before you start parting with loads of cash.
the cheap after market remotes need some fiddling to fit and would not use the original secuity system, they also need the central locking to work. i contacted the guy in uk who claims to clone the remotes but after i asked him how we could get stuff from him to Australia he never returned another email.
and yes i do reprogram becm units and do some remote key fob repairs.
Both the back doors don,t work I have to pull the buttons up and down manually to unlock/lock them.

[stormfour]

Hey guys I was reading on other forums and as you mentioned Rupert that the problem could be stemming from the drivers door latch,I have found one on a web site for $338.00 do u think I should get it or do you know where I can get one from.I am willing to try anything,but would thhis fix the problem with the central locking.
I am a woman.. I am a chef..I dont know anything about cars,I could use all the help you can give!!!!

[Rupert Prior]

if it is only the 2 back doors that do not work and all the others work then no it is not necessarily the door latch. that door latch price is only slightly cheaper than a dealer should charge so i would leave it.
does the red light flash on the remote when the buttons are pressed and has this remote ever worked with this car?

[stormfour]

if it is only the 2 back doors that do not work and all the others work then no it is not necessarily the door latch. that door latch price is only slightly cheaper than a dealer should charge so i would leave it.
does the red light flash on the remote when the buttons are pressed and has this remote ever worked with this car?

Yes the red light flashes and the remote worked fine when I first bought it,in fact it worked for just on 12 months.
Just to add about the red light,it does not flash all the time it is spasmodic!! and sometimes it just stays on all the time even when I am not using it !!

[p38arover]

Yes the red light flashes and the remote worked fine when I first bought it,in fact it worked for just on 12 months

Does neither button work? I had a remote where the switch broke away from the PCB so the car would lock but not unlock. I resoldered the switch and that fixed it (I'm still using it several years later).

[stormfour]

Does neither button work? I had a remote where the switch broke away from the PCB so the car would lock but not unlock. I resoldered the switch and that fixed it (I'm still using it several years later).

Nope none of them work.

[Rupert Prior]

it does sound like it could be repairable, did the remote ever go for a swim (they corrode quite badly) and is this the only remote? you could get a normal key copy cut and the see if someone locally will fix yours, if not post it up here and i wll have a look.
i also checked with a few suppliers and something has happened with the locksets, the price of the last available type (433kh) went up to $1800 for a while and then disappered off the price list. so is probably gone for good.

[stormfour]

Rupert I think that sounds like a place to start ,I will get a key cut today and if you PM me with your address I will send my remote to you ,if that is still ok,then if that doesn't work I can move on to something else.Oh by the way ,no the remote has never had a swim to my knwoledge,but there was one time when I was visiting a friend and her kid thought i was a game control and took off with it and I don't know how long he had it for but my car was out the front ,he was inside but he was pointing it through the window and pressing like mad ,and when I got back to the car I could'nt open it and when I did I was in key code lock out,it has never really been the same since,I didnt mention this before as I had forgotten about it,as it was quite some time ago!