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Mattskii
26th January 2011, 05:18 AM
It is a new twist on the double slit experiment, where if you shine a beam of light on a card with 2 slits cut in it, the 2 rays of light which come out of the other side interfere with each other so when detected on a screen or digital device an interference pattern of light and dark stripes is observed. This is because waves add up or subtract from each other.

So some bright spark things, well what would happen if we fired a single photon at a double slit experiment? Would it go through one or other slot, like a particle, or would it go through both like a wave. turns out if you send enough single particles of light - photons - at a double slit experiment you still build up the interference patern, which kind of proved that light travels as a wave. But hold on, we are talking about a single photon, which as we can't possibly know which slot it passed through, quantum physics tells us it went through both, hence the interference pattern.

So some bright spark said OK, lets measure the photon as it goes through one slot or the other so that we do know which slot it traveled through. And you know what - the interference pattern stopped appearing on the detector, and just a clump of hits were seen. This proves that light is a particle. As soon as it was measured it stopped being in a quantum stated and just went through one slot or the other.

Yet another even brighter spark then said OK, what if we then errase the which path information we gained, and do this by splitting the photon into an entangled pair, and make the measurements after the fact? So they did. They created an entangled pair of photons from each photon which passed through either one or other of the two slots. They then measured the path of roughly 50% of them, and "errased" the path information for the other 50%. They arranged the experiment so that the 1 of the entangled photons, or twins, was directed to a detector, whilst it's twin was sent on a much longer path to a beam splitter which would allow roughly 50% of photons to have their path recorded, and 50% of them not to. And this which path information was not recorded until about 8ns after it's twin hit the detector. And guess what?

Those photons who's twins were going to have their path information recorded in the future (and as they were entangled it was therefore possble know their path too) acted as particles and did not show any interference pattern. Those particles whose twin in the future was going to have that path information errased DID show an interference pattern. So the quantum state was affected by observations which were going to be made in the future. Mind boggling.

Here is a link to the full artcle: Delayed Choice Quantum Erraser (http://www.bottomlayer.com/bottom/kim-scully/kim-scully-web.htm)

kenleyfred
26th January 2011, 06:15 AM
Just can't think of a response to that. Maybe after a coffee it'll make sense.

Pedro_The_Swift
26th January 2011, 07:37 AM
Is that why there are no heat seeking Photon Torpedoes?

ugu80
26th January 2011, 07:53 AM
Gravitons did it.

bob10
26th January 2011, 08:13 AM
Very interesting, Mattski, now, what have you done with Harold Holt? Bob.

:eek: :alien: :alien: :D

Sully
26th January 2011, 08:16 AM
You said what now.....?? Gahhhh. Science like stuff make me brain go all weird.

Pedro_The_Swift
26th January 2011, 08:20 AM
Just can't think of a response to that. Maybe after a coffee it'll make sense.

No!:D

wayne
26th January 2011, 08:34 AM
I have been going on about this for years, now I have finally been vindicated :p:p

Ratel10mm
26th January 2011, 08:50 AM
It's perfectly obvious. The outcome of the experiment is affected by whether or not the experiment is observed in all it's phases. Schrodinger's Cat iirc?
Don't observe the experiment & you get result A. Observe it & you get result B.
This ties in with the God theory of quantum (?) physics - that much of the really small stuff has actually been brougt into existence by some clever person imagining it exists.
On a larger scale, this theory suggests that the world really was flat when Galileo hypothesised it was spherical and remained flat until a large enough percentage of the population changed thier beleif & agreed with Galileo.

wrinklearthur
26th January 2011, 08:55 AM
Very interesting, Mattski, now, what have you done with Harold Holt? Bob.

:eek: :alien: :alien: :D

Now if I get this. Harold Holt wasn't waving when he separated into two particals then passed away through two slits, then an interference pattern didnt occur when they did a search for him ???? :confused:

Sully
26th January 2011, 08:59 AM
I like BBQ's and there's a packet of lamingtons in the kitchen.

Blknight.aus
26th January 2011, 09:04 AM
I think its a resolution of measurement thing.

87County
26th January 2011, 09:07 AM
...and nobody has yet mentioned the Higgs Boson

Blknight.aus
26th January 2011, 09:37 AM
...and nobody has yet mentioned the Higgs Boson

when was he the prime minister?

ugu80
26th January 2011, 09:37 AM
...and nobody has yet mentioned the Higgs Boson

Don't forget the phonons. They're all just gravitons on steroids anyway.

87County
26th January 2011, 09:43 AM
when was he the prime minister?

:D:D:D:D

aha Dave - as you already said, it's all got to do with measurement

The Need to Understand Mass (http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs2.htm)

stevo
26th January 2011, 09:59 AM
just like the weird Quantum mechanic stuff and there is even some weirder stuff out there, I wonder if this drives any scientist around the bend?? trying to figure out why

zulu Delta 534
26th January 2011, 10:12 AM
Can this theory be transposed to the experiment where a buttered piece of toast (always falls buttered side down) tied with the buttered side facing upwards and firmly strapped to the back of a cat (which always lands on its feet) is thrown from a window. Would it ever land, or merely hover 6" off the ground indefinitely.
Regards
Glen

F4Phantom
26th January 2011, 10:15 AM
one quote I like is, the universe is not only stranger than we imagined, but stranger than we can imagine

clubagreenie
26th January 2011, 10:18 AM
The buttered toast and cat experiment is the secret of Japans high speed trains.
Levitated by the "buttered Toast & Cat Array".

As for lights and slits, I don't understand.Is the cat dead or not?

Mattskii
26th January 2011, 11:05 AM
It's perfectly obvious. The outcome of the experiment is affected by whether or not the experiment is observed in all it's phases. Schrodinger's Cat iirc?
Don't observe the experiment & you get result A. Observe it & you get result B.
This ties in with the God theory of quantum (?) physics - that much of the really small stuff has actually been brougt into existence by some clever person imagining it exists.
On a larger scale, this theory suggests that the world really was flat when Galileo hypothesised it was spherical and remained flat until a large enough percentage of the population changed thier beleif & agreed with Galileo.

It goes a bit further than standard quantum physics though - as result A or B seems to be predicted by the experiment. Whether or not we are observing it is not known at the time of the result occuring. The patern will or won't emerger 8ns before we collect the data regarding observing or not.

And yes - we are all god, and we create our own world with what we beleive. To change your life, change your thoughts!

Blknight.aus
26th January 2011, 03:43 PM
It's perfectly obvious. The outcome of the experiment is affected by whether or not the experiment is observed in all it's phases. Schrodinger's Cat iirc?



Best thing about Schrodingers theorem?


50% of the time you wind up with a dead cat in a box ready to be disposed of. :twisted:

slug_burner
26th January 2011, 04:32 PM
Best thing about Schrodingers theorem?


50% of the time you wind up with a dead cat in a box ready to be disposed of. :twisted:

Leave it just a bity longer and it approximates 100%:twisted:

Naks
26th January 2011, 04:38 PM
Here is a link to the full artcle: Delayed Choice Quantum Erraser (http://www.bottomlayer.com/bottom/kim-scully/kim-scully-web.htm)


You should also read Stephen Hawking's latest book, very interesting read.

ugu80
26th January 2011, 04:42 PM
Best thing about Schrodingers theorem?


50% of the time you wind up with a dead cat in a box ready to be disposed of. :twisted:

Sounds like an infinite improbability drive!

MickS
26th January 2011, 05:04 PM
I tried thome of Throedingers theorem onethe...cured that rath....:eek:

Ace
26th January 2011, 05:12 PM
I did that experiment in Yr10 science years ago, but the pretty colours created when you shine the light through a prism is far more interesting to a 15 year old :D

Quarks
26th January 2011, 05:22 PM
I'm just glad land rover haven't decided to use quantum optics in their systems, and have stuck with conventional electrickery. Imagine fault finding/diagnosis with that to contend with!

kenleyfred
26th January 2011, 05:25 PM
I'm also excited about the new series of The Big Bang Theory starting soon.
Sheldon probably wrote all that stuff.

MickS
26th January 2011, 05:28 PM
I'm also excited about the new series of The Big Bang Theory starting soon.
Sheldon probably wrote all that stuff.

Sheldon to Penny....."You have broad hips and a certain corn-fed vigor. Is your womb available for rental?" :Rolling:

ramblingboy42
26th January 2011, 07:34 PM
You should also read Stephen Hawking's latest book, very interesting read.

well.......dont leave us in suspense.....whats it called?

Hoges
27th January 2011, 12:32 PM
well.......dont leave us in suspense.....whats it called?

no-one knows...if you try to read the title ....it disappears!!!:wasntme:

Bigbjorn
27th January 2011, 09:50 PM
If you were using these lights to search for Elvis, you can stop now. I know where he is.

Hymie
27th January 2011, 10:22 PM
Walter off Fringe would know what to do.
a. Go to his Lab in Harvard and
b. Bend his mind with some homemade LSD.