Where do we start?

[nostromo]

Found these on eBay, just took delivery, what do we do now?
Aiming to restore both..

[ramblingboy42]

well, I reckon if you dont know what to do, you should give them to me, then you wont have any further questions.

[Nero]

Go buy shares in freeze and release spray! :wasntme:

[nostromo]

Have taken battery out of seriesIIa to try and start the green one, came with petrol in the tank

[Marshall]

Get yourself a note book or clipboard for each vehicle, and a bottle of rum, and write down as much detail about them as you can. Take a swig of rum. Look for all the numbers (eg engine numbers etc) and write them down. Take a swig or two. got a digital camera? Good, now take a good long swig and go and buy another few bottles, it's going to be a long ride...:D

Take heaps of photos of everything you can, and make a folder on your computer for each vehicle.
All this information will help you down the track when you are looking at two gearboxes (for example) and are scratching your head wondering which one it came from!
And just give it a go! have plenty of fun and post plenty of photos!

[The ho har's]

all of the above ^^^:D except for ramblingboy's sugestion..I have more room here to look after them;)

nice purchase BTW:D

Mrs hh:angel:

[richard4u2]

you could have a barby BYO and invite the mob on here around ;)

[Tote]

Congratulations, plenty of info and knowledgable bodies on the Series 1 forum. Take your time and welcome aboard.
Regards,
Tote

[nostromo]

thanks Marshall, all good advice

richard4u2, we're gonna need a bigger bbq.

[Ausfree]

all of the above ^^^:D except for ramblingboy's sugestion..I have more room here to look after them;)

nice purchase BTW:D

Mrs hh:angel: Come on now Mrs HH you have enough on your plate. Can somebody educate a student here, mention was made that one of them is a Series 11a, on looking at the piccies, the one in the forground looks like a Series 11 and the one in the background looks like a Series 1? Is that correct????:confused:

[nostromo]

have serial numbers
57660398
177600739

went to fourfold.org to identify vehicles and despite one being a 8-digit, & one being a 9-digit, fourfold say both are 1955 series 1...

happy to hear of other sites/info to assist vehicle identification.

[The ho har's]

Come on now Mrs HH you have enough on your plate. Can somebody educate a student here, mention was made that one of them is a Series 11a, on looking at the piccies, the one in the forground looks like a Series 11 and the one in the background looks like a Series 1? Is that correct????:confused:

nup they are both series 1's...not to early though as the head lights are outside the grill and no flashers on the firewall below the windscreen;)


oppss should have refreshed before I posted:)

Mrs hh:angel:

[nostromo]

nup they are both series 1's...not to early though as the head lights are outside the grill and no flashers on the firewall below the windscreen;)


oppss should have refreshed before I posted:)

Mrs hh:angel:
thanks for confirmation Mrs HH.. no worries re: refresh...

I'll also be going to the knowledgable bodies on the Series 1 forum as per Tote's advice...

[Ausfree]

Yeah, I was a little confused when a mention was made that one of them was a Series 11a. Thanks Carolyn!!:):)

[nostromo]

Yeah, I was a little confused when a mention was made that one of them was a Series 11a. Thanks Carolyn!!:):)
Hi Ausfree,

sorry to confuse you, we have a Series IIa (according to fourfold.og data), as well as 2 x series I.
I took the battery out of the SeriesIIa and put it in one of the series Is to see if I could make it sing (or clear it's throat, or something...)

[The ho har's]

177600739
appears to be a CKD RHD 1956

the other number is not a chassis number:)

Mrs hh:angel:

[The ho har's]

I will wake up those shortly who are the series 1's encyclopedia of knowledge:D

Mrs hh:angel:

[nostromo]

177600739
appears to be a CKD RHD 1956

the other number is not a chassis number:)

Mrs hh:angel:
I'm going to have to take a closer look for that chassis number..

[UncleHo]

G'day Nostromo :)

Two very nice purchases, both appear to be 80 inch models,post 1950,the first one (brown) is a 50/51(in May 50 headlights 7" through grille,parkers/sidelights on firewall,May 51 sidelights moved to guards) model with the headhights surrounded by the grille is quite rare now, and also the first model to have the parkers in the guards and exterior door handles51/52,the other one(green) is later, as it has the classic series 1/2/2a grille, they should both have sloping rear of door edges, but, if one has square rear edges then it is an 86 inch model,the original early motor was a 1595cc unit which was replaced in August 51by a 1997cc unit(2 litre siamese bore) both motors being side/overhead valve configeration,post Oct 1953 the motor was improved with the 2ltre "spread-bore" which stayed in production until the 2.25 ltre OHV of 1958/9 series 2 models.


Hope that is of help to you


cheers

[slug_burner]

They don't look like 80" to me. More likely 86"

[nostromo]

G'day Nostromo :)

Two very nice purchases, both appear to be 80 inch models,post 1950,the first one (brown) is a 50/51(in May 50 headlights 7" through grille,parkers/sidelights on firewall,May 51 sidelights moved to guards) model with the headhights surrounded by the grille is quite rare now, and also the first model to have the parkers in the guards and exterior door handles51/52,the other one(green) is later, as it has the classic series 1/2/2a grille, they should both have sloping rear of door edges, but, if one has square rear edges then it is an 86 inch model,the original early motor was a 1595cc unit which was replaced in August 51by a 1997cc unit(2 litre siamese bore) both motors being side/overhead valve configeration,post Oct 1953 the motor was improved with the 2ltre "spread-bore" which stayed in production until the 2.25 ltre OHV of 1958/9 series 2 models.


Hope that is of help to you


cheers
Thanks UncleHo...
yes, this is all of great help.....
do you use "car no." to determine year?
I have
57660398 green
177600739 brown

[nostromo]

They don't look like 80" to me. More likely 86"
Yes, you are right re: 86"
we have serial number 86-109 on the brown one (& Body No. 109)

[The ho har's]

I will wake up those shortly who are the series 1's encyclopedia of knowledge:D

Mrs hh:angel:

Yep told you the encycopedias would be along..
Uncle Ho and next Diana should be here shortly;)

but agree with slug burner hey are both 86" not 80"

Mrs hh:angel:

PS. must refresh before posting:D

[The ho har's]

Yes, you are right re: 86"
we have serial number 86-109 on the brown one (& Body No. 109)


If you have the nomenclature plates that will give all there info...body no would be an A&T Bris I assume...

Keep looking:D

Mrs hh:angel:

[UncleHo]

G'day Nostromo :)

Aah! 86 inchers that changes things, as the brown one has a 51/2 grille,should have the same as the green one, Green Vehicle 57660398 is the 397th CKD RHD Export vehicle for 1955 :D Ch No's start at 7660001;)

That 177600739 reads as a 1955 engine no for a RHD CKD vehicle with a spread bore 2 ltre motor


Sources 86/88 107/109 master parts book and "Landrover 1948-1983 leafsprung models" by James Taylor. :)


cheers

[The ho har's]

Nostromo,

now you are really confused, right;)

as I said keep looking:D

Mrs hh:angel:

[wrinklearthur]

I will wake up those shortly who are the series 1's encyclopedia of knowledge:D

Mrs hh:angel:

You can try!!! :twisted:

but I'm off to bed now

Cheers Arthur :zzz:

[UncleHo]

G'day Nostromo :)

I have re-read my Master parts book and there are indeed 2 sets of chassis number sequences for 1955 model with the commencing numbers as follows: 57660001 eight digit number, and 177600001 nine digit number.

So your green one is 397th RHD Export CKD in the 8 digit range

and

Your brown one is the 738th RHD Export CKD in the 9 digit range fitted with body No 109

I have no dates for the sequence change

source: master parts book-- TP155c June 1956


Both vehicles were CKD units


cheers

[nostromo]

G'day Nostromo :)

I have re-read my Master parts book and there are indeed 2 sets of chassis number sequences for 1955 model with the commencing numbers as follows: 57660001 eight digit number, and 177600001 nine digit number.

So your green one is 397th RHD Export CKD in the 8 digit range

and

Your brown one is the 738th RHD Export CKD in the 9 digit range fitted with body No 109

I have no dates for the sequence change

source: master parts book-- TP155c June 1956


Both vehicles were CKD units


cheers
good news UncleHo

[wrinklearthur]

what have you done I must get my beauty sleep [tonguewink]

G'day Nostromo :)

I have re-read my Master parts book and there are indeed 2 sets of chassis number sequences for 1955 model with the commencing numbers as follows: 57660001 eight digit number, and 177600001 nine digit number.

So your green one is 397th RHD Export CKD in the 8 digit range

and

Your brown one is the 738th RHD Export CKD in the 9 digit range fitted with body No 109

I have no dates for the sequence change

source: master parts book-- TP155c June 1956


Both vehicles were CKD units


cheers

Uncle Ho has it right . :thumbsup:

Both CKD RHD Export 1955 86"
Brown one fitted with about 1951 80" grill and badge.

My source:
Land Rover Part Number; 4107,
Description; Series I, Parts Catalogue, 86, 88, 107 and 109 Petrol and Diesel models


Now back to bed, Arthur ;)

[UncleHo]

G'day Nostromo :)

Only to happy to help :) but,I like wrinklearthur am off to do other things,(like the washing up) but if you have any questions there are a few of us on here that have access to the info and or are old series people :)

Out of interest have they still got the 2 litre side/overhead motors, or have they been replaced by OHV 2.25 motors as was common.


cheers

[nostromo]

what have you done I must get my beauty sleep [tonguewink]


Uncle Ho has it right . :thumbsup:

Both CKD RHD Export 1955 86"
Brown one fitted with about 1951 80" grill and badge.

My source:
Land Rover Part Number; 4107,
Description; Series I, Parts Catalogue, 86, 88, 107 and 109 Petrol and Diesel models


Now back to bed, Arthur ;)
Thanks WrinkleArthur
not only:
master parts book-- TP155c June 1956
"Landrover 1948-1983 leafsprung models" by James Taylor
but also:
Land Rover Part Number; 4107,
Description; Series I, Parts Catalogue, 86, 88, 107 and 109 Petrol and Diesel models
thanks for the part number :-)

[UncleHo]

G'day Nostromo :)

It looks like Wrinklearthur and I both have the same master parts book as our source :D and undoubtedably did as the book states on the first page "this publication supersedes the 2nd edition,publication No.TP155B which should be destroyed" :( so now you know why these books are so hard to find ;)

G'day Wrinklearthur.

Looks like we may have had similar careers within the great Rover/Leyland entity ;) me, many years as parts interpreter.


cheers

[nostromo]

G'day Nostromo :)

Only to happy to help :) but,I like wrinklearthur am off to do other things,(like the washing up) but if you have any questions there are a few of us on here that have access to the info and or are old series people :)

Out of interest have they still got the 2 litre side/overhead motors, or have they been replaced by OHV 2.25 motors as was common.


cheers
Hi UncleHo,
both are side valve engines, engine capacity not known at this stage...

[UncleHo]

G'day Nostromo :)

Aah! so they still have their original capacity motors, 2 litre side valve exhaust and overhead valve intake IOE, :) they should be "spread bore' for that model possibly with engine numbers in the 1706****** series for RHD vehicles 1955 and 56-57 models.



cheers

[Ausfree]

Wow, learning all the time. I am watching this thread with great interest!!:o:D

[UncleHo]

G'day Nostromo :)

From memory, the "Spreadbore" motor has the sparkplugs evenly spaced along the head,the "Siamese Bore", has them grouped as 2 towards the front and 2 towards the rear with a larger space between them in the middle, I have no longer got my early 80/86 book it grew legs a few years ago along with other reference books :(:mad:


Wrinklearthur may be able to confirm that.


cheers

[drifter]

I have no longer got my early 80/86 book it grew legs a few years ago along with other reference books :(:mad:


Wrinklearthur may be able to confirm that.


cheers :lol2:

Couldn't resist.

As with Ausfree, I am learning heaps in this one - well done people.

[nostromo]

G'day Nostromo :)

Aah! so they still have their original capacity motors, 2 litre side valve exhaust and overhead valve intake IOE, :) they should be "spread bore' for that model possibly with engine numbers in the 1706****** series for RHD vehicles 1955 and 56-57 models.



cheers
Yes UncleHo, both engines are side valve with exhaust valves in the block and the inlet valves in the head with the spark plugs evenly spaced along the head.
Car 177600739 has engine number 170605297.
The other car's engine number has degraded so I cannot read it.

[nostromo]

How can we find the unknown engine number when we have the car number?
...assuming both vehicle and engine are original since assembled...

[UncleHo]

G'day Nostromo :)

There is a possability that that 57660398 may have an engine in the 57100001+ range as that was early 55 and possibly very late 54 manufacture (55model)post August/Sept as that range is only listed as 1955 model by the master parts book on engine and clutch assys
and seeing that 0398 is very early in the vehicle run that is a chance.


Hope that is of help

[wrinklearthur]

How can we find the unknown engine number when we have the car number?
...assuming both vehicle and engine are original since assembled...

To look for the engine number, it's on the front top Left Hand Side of the engine, ( your RHS when standing in front of the Landy ), its stamped on it's side vertically at the front of the machined face for the exhaust manifold.

If the numbers are badly rusted and hard to see, dab a little battery acid on that spot and leave for fifteen minutes or so and then wash the acid off with plenty of water with a table spoon of laundry washing powder in it to neutralise the acid.
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[Pedro_The_Swift]

wow, nearly 12 months between posts,,
not a bad bump there wrinkle--;)

any news from the owner?:confused:

[UncleHo]

Aah! Pedro :)

Old Series threads NEVER DIE :D:D:D;)

[wrinklearthur]

Hi Pedro_The_Swift

I was actually looking for another thread about Aussie built Range Rovers that I posted on, after UncleHo asked me a question. :)
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[123rover50]

Hi Pedro_The_Swift

I was actually looking for another thread about Aussie built Range Rovers that I posted on, after UncleHo asked me a question. :)
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I see the forum now has a "view your post" button I had not noticed before. Makes it easier to find old threads you posted in.
Keith

[wrinklearthur]

I see the forum now has a "view your post" button I had not noticed before. Makes it easier to find old threads you posted in.
Keith
Hi Keith

I have a problem, it's that I have to look through about two grands worth of my postings and the search button works too well bringing up the references asked for, over all the forum !

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