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KarlB
27th January 2011, 03:24 PM
Standards Australia has today published the new Radiocommunications equipment used in the UHF citizen band radio service Standard (AS/NZS 4365:2011) This is a significant step in implementing the new '80 channel regime'. You can see a preview here: http://infostore.saiglobal.com/store2/PreviewDoc.aspx?saleItemID=2197852

Cheers
KarlB
:)

Drover
27th January 2011, 03:42 PM
Hey KarlB,

You will have to pardon my lack of knowledge on this topic, but when the 80 channel UHF is up and running - will we require new radio sets to get all 80 channels ?

Cheers

KarlB
27th January 2011, 03:55 PM
Hey KarlB,

You will have to pardon my lack of knowledge on this topic, but when the 80 channel UHF is up and running - will we require new radio sets to get all 80 channels ?

Cheers

The simple answer is yes, unless you have a radio that can be reprogrammed to the new frequencies. Your old 40 channel radio will still work but not on the new channels. I am not an expert on this and I am sure there are others on the forum who can be more informative than I can.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

Lotz-A-Landies
27th January 2011, 04:18 PM
40 of the new 80 channels are sort of the same. What is happening is that the channel bandwidth is being reduced from 25kHz to 12.5 kHz meaning that they can squeeze more channels onto the same spectrum allocated to the Citizens UHF Service.

After the commencement date of the new 80 channels, new equipment will be required to meet the 80Ch standard. 40 channel sets can still be used (at least for a time) but there is potential for interference between older sets and users or facilities on new channels.

VladTepes
27th January 2011, 04:58 PM
You have a 40 channel set now... 1, 2, 3 and so on.

Think of the new channels as 1A, 2A, 3A and so on.

VladTepes
27th January 2011, 05:33 PM
Also (for basic info) this forum:
UHF CB Australia - News & Events (http://www.uhfcb.com.au/News--and--Events.php)
notably
UHF CB Australia - Upcoming Changes to UHF CB Radio (http://www.uhfcb.com.au/UHF-CB-Changes.php)

and here is a copy of the entire DRAFT standard. used fo cinsultation.
http://shop.standards.co.nz/drafts/DR4365-DRASNZS4365.pdf
I doubt much will have changed post consultation.

Lotz-A-Landies
27th January 2011, 05:33 PM
You have a 40 channel set now... 1, 2, 3 and so on.

Think of the new channels as 1A, 2A, 3A and so on.Although this is not yet finalised and GME have made a submission to ACMA requesting the new channels be regarded as 41-80 as it is an easier option for them to program. See: http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib311839/gme_ifc11-2010.pdf

Sprint
27th January 2011, 08:13 PM
Honestly, i fail to see any reason to change whats already in place.....

THE BOOGER
27th January 2011, 08:33 PM
The extra channels may make it possible to us uhf in metro ares its impossible at the moment due to the d**k heads on channel;)

wrinklearthur
27th January 2011, 08:59 PM
The simple answer is yes, unless you have a radio that can be reprogrammed to the new frequencies. Your old 40 channel radio will still work but not on the new channels. I am not an expert on this and I am sure there are others on the forum who can be more informative than I can.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

Hi All

The new channels for the narrow band UHF sets will sit between the existing channels i.e. 1, then 41, 2, then 42 etc.

UHF CB Australia - 80 Channel UHF CB Radio Information & Allocations (http://www.uhfcb.com.au/80-Channel-UHF-Information.php)

You will still be able to talk to another ( old ) unaltered UHF CB on the existing channels and also with the new narrow band sets, but there will be a performance deficit between old and new.

When the repeaters are eventually are changed to narrow band settings again there would be a performance deficit between old and new CB's, but only if the repeater channels where to remain on the exiting channel allocations.

Cheers Arthur

wrinklearthur
27th January 2011, 09:02 PM
The extra channels may make it possible to us uhf in metro ares its impossible at the moment due to the d**k heads on channel;)

2x channels = 2x dick heads on channels

Cheers Arthur

KarlB
28th January 2011, 12:24 PM
Following publication of the new UHF Standards, the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) is seeking comment on a draft Radiocommunications (Citizen Band Radio Stations) Class Licence Variation 2011 (No. 1) that will vary the Radiocommunications (Citizen Band Radio Stations) Class Licence 2002.

Following consultation between the ACMA, industry and the public in the context of the ACMA’s review of the 400 MHz band, the ACMA proposes to increase the number of radiofrequency channels in the UHF Citizen Band.


The ACMA proposes to vary the Radiocommunications (Citizen Band Radio Stations) Class Licence 2002 (the CB Class Licence) to facilitate operation on the new channels. Other proposed variations to the CB Class Licence include variations to:

facilitate the transmission of electronic identification and location information;
relax the duty cycle restriction for telemetry and telecommand transmissions;
improve the regulatory effectiveness of the CB Class Licence;
prohibit the indirect linking of repeater stations; and
prohibit the linking of CB stations.
Not sure how relevant all this is to us Land Rover folk but further information can be found here: ACMA - IFC 03/2011 (http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_312428)

Cheers
KarlB
:)

digger
31st January 2011, 03:33 AM
first they make me change me phone to that new fangled cdma,,,

I did it -cost me money

then they made me get rid of the new cdma and replace it with a new digital..,,,

bastards, I did, -cost me money

then they pretty much let any clown use a CB, made my am 40 channel virtually useless... replaced it with UHF - cost me lotsa money

got selcall (why not? it was a good idea too)

now theyve introduced a new UHF... and I'll have to update...it'll cost me money!!

My HF is an older set but works sweetly....but you know what them bastards are gonna do dont you??
:angel::D
(Im assuming wiring and aerials will all stay the same just the tuning and set etc change??)

cheers
digger

KarlB
31st January 2011, 03:57 AM
first they make me change me phone to that new fangled cdma,,,

I did it -cost me money

then they made me get rid of the new cdma and replace it with a new digital..,,,

bastards, I did, -cost me money

then they pretty much let any clown use a CB, made my am 40 channel virtually useless... replaced it with UHF - cost me lotsa money

got selcall (why not? it was a good idea too)

now theyve introduced a new UHF... and I'll have to update...it'll cost me money!!

My HF is an older set but works sweetly....but you know what them bastards are gonna do dont you??
:angel::D
(Im assuming wiring and aerials will all stay the same just the tuning and set etc change??)

cheers
digger

Gee Digger, it is a wonder you are not lamenting the invention of the computer. Maybe even invention of the wheel ... !

Cheers
KarlB
:p

rick130
31st January 2011, 06:11 AM
Gee Digger, it is a wonder you are not lamenting the invention of the computer. Maybe even invention of the wheel ... !

Cheers
KarlB
:p

What's wrong with skids ! :mad:




:D

KarlB
31st January 2011, 07:17 AM
What's wrong with skids ! :mad:

It's the marks they leave that is the real worry ....!

Cheers
KarlB
:o

Lotz-A-Landies
31st January 2011, 08:25 AM
first they make me change me phone to that new fangled cdma,,,

I did it -cost me money

then they made me get rid of the new cdma and replace it with a new digital..,,,

bastards, I did, -cost me money

then they pretty much let any clown use a CB, made my am 40 channel virtually useless... replaced it with UHF - cost me lotsa money

got selcall (why not? it was a good idea too)

now theyve introduced a new UHF... and I'll have to update...it'll cost me money!!

My HF is an older set but works sweetly....but you know what them bastards are gonna do dont you??
:angel::D
(Im assuming wiring and aerials will all stay the same just the tuning and set etc change??)

cheers
diggerPerhaps we should ask for a CB Buyback Levy?

digger
31st January 2011, 11:59 PM
Gee Digger, it is a wonder you are not lamenting the invention of the computer. Maybe even invention of the wheel ... !

Cheers
KarlB
:p

OH DONT GET ME STARTED ON THAT DEBARCLE!!

first my pram wheel was OK, then I had to change to a stoller, after that I had a wheeled walking frame, then a go cart, then a small wagon, a trike nd then a bike with training wheels and then I turned 5..... I wont keep telling you about it, but none of these had the same size wheels or tyres....none where interchangeable or even really easy to repair.

now they change all the frequencies, we'll all be 'rooned" !!


(by the way the last question of my post was a real question.... if anyone can advise, cheers)

:)

THE BOOGER
1st February 2011, 12:20 AM
Yep uhf ant and wiring will remain the same as they are just splitting the channels they will be the same freq band just narrower:)

digger
1st February 2011, 12:26 AM
cheers, thats good to know..

hold on I get a new radio and the channel is already split?? I hope theyre gonna repair that, I dont want my channels breaking while im using them :D:p

KarlB
1st February 2011, 11:36 AM
Your existing radio will be good for another 5 years Digger, after which it will be deemed non-compliant. So no real need to replace it until the new 80 channel sets become more common place and it starts to be incoveniant not to have the 'new channels'. But still, who would want to be seen without an iPhone?

Cheers
KarlB
:p

Lotz-A-Landies
1st February 2011, 12:00 PM
<snip> ... But still, who would want to be seen without an iPhone?

Cheers
KarlB
:pKarl

None of my GME, Uniden or Phillips UHF have the iPhone function! :confused:

Can you tell me what it does? ;)

Sent from my office workstation using a crappy Govt issued Pentium4 on Windows XP!

KarlB
1st February 2011, 03:30 PM
Karl

None of my GME, Uniden or Phillips UHF have the iPhone function! :confused:

Can you tell me what it does? ;)

Sent from my office workstation using a crappy Govt issued Pentium4 on Windows XP!

Nope! It's a secret. But you wouldn't want to seen without one! :D

Cheers
KarlB
PS It is a bit like Sasha's recent joke:

An engineer was crossing a road one day, when a frog called out to him and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess." He bent over, picked up the frog and put it in his pocket..
The frog then cried out, "If you kiss me and turn me into a princess, I'll stay with you for one week and do ANYTHING you want."
Again, the engineer took the frog out, smiled at it and put it back into his pocket.
Finally, the frog asked, "What is the matter? I've told you I'm a beautiful princess and that I'll stay with you for one week and do anything you want. Why won't you kiss me?"
The engineer said, "Look, I'm an engineer. I don't have time for a girlfriend, but a talking frog, now that's cool."

An iPhone is a bit like a talking frog! But I am not saying anymore. It's a secret! When you get one you just know.

digger
1st February 2011, 07:22 PM
Your existing radio will be good for another 5 years Digger, after which it will be deemed non-compliant. So no real need to replace it until the new 80 channel sets become more common place and it starts to be incoveniant not to have the 'new channels'. But still, who would want to be seen without an iPhone?

Cheers
KarlB
:p

theyre changing the phones AGAIN!!!??? BASTARDS!!

First I had ..... <<Oh- I did? already?,Oh OK..sorry!>>

KarlB
6th February 2011, 09:29 PM
Uniden are ready to go and are advertising their new "77 channel ready" UHF radios on their website (see :: Uniden Australia :: (http://www.uniden.com.au/AUSTRALIA/p_index_transceivers_mobile_radios.asp)). Others such as GME can't be far away from doing the same.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

tony66_au
6th February 2011, 10:50 PM
Damn!

Now i have to find someone to re-program my Fm 320, Sawton 999 and my Icom IC4E!

I did have a chuckle when someone mentioned that part of the reason was so the band would be more usable in urban area's but i reckon the sad fact is that there will always be far more idiots than channels and CTCSS selcal has made it more annoying.

I turn my CB's off when I get within 50k of melbourne.

Question though, will there be more repeaters?

Maybe I'll just stick to sideband anyway.

101RRS
7th February 2011, 11:07 AM
I turn my CB's off when I get within 50k of melbourne.


Anyone heard the prat in western Sydney - constantly preaching on Channel 40 about how it is his radio channel, and how he will accept no swearing, and preaching to truckies to behave themselves - very annoying and I am sure if the truckies got hold of him he would be no more.

Every time I have used the M7 he has been on preaching and even on my handheld I get him from Hornsby to Liverpool so he must either have a good radio or have the antenna up high.

Garry

tony66_au
7th February 2011, 11:34 AM
Plenty of those idjits in Melbourne too, I use 3 watt hand helds on the farm and take em with me in the car from time to time as i dont have CB in the family wagon and from time to time I am tempted to turn it on around Pakenham.

I left it on all the way to Geelong last time and the noise was awful.

I recently found my old 27 meg President (Uniden) AX144 sideband rig and so far Ive resisted turning it on as it got worse and worse to the point where I packed it up in the mid 90's.

Ive had CB's since the late 70's, always licensed them and worked for 2 of the specialist CB shops in Melb (Just CB and Unlimited Communications) and remember it being a lot of fun until the dills took over.

Might be time to resurrect the gear and see whats what again because I really enjoyed 27 Mhz.

Tony

isuzurover
7th February 2011, 12:10 PM
Anyone know if it will be possible to reprogram my old Phillips PRM80 to work with the 80 channel standard???

If so, then these old radios may have a resurgence!!!

kenleyfred
7th February 2011, 12:37 PM
Shhh. No-one tell Digger he is going to have to pay to update his TV to digital as well.

THE BOOGER
7th February 2011, 06:03 PM
I have both 27meg and Uhf in the booger 27 has a few people these days but not like the 70s and 80s 35 lower SSB is the only channel with people on it 24/7 in Sydney basicaly you cant get a desent channel on uhf anytime although we had the RIs up here about 5 months ago they confiscated a few over power sets and fined a few idiots for consistant swearing breaches it was ok for about 2 weeks then they went back to canberra :(

digger
7th February 2011, 06:45 PM
Shhh. No-one tell Digger he is going to have to pay to update his TV to digital as well.

WHAT!?!?!!?!

First I had my HMV b&W good tv, beautiful wood- then auntty jack brought in colour... bastard!...er bitc... err mongrel!!!

then....

Oh hold on theyve already "shafted" us, changed us in a country area over first, no option but to get set top boxes etc...then due to distance replace aerial with digital aerial and digital coax cables etc etc...

prices for all these items are still high as there isnt high demand for them. If theyd done city areas first prices would be lower (because of volume) and everyone wins. MMMM (must stop whinging!!) at least once or twice in most shows I get to watch jumbled squares of undiscernable stuff or a box saying "no signal"... yep digital tele is great!! (bring back analogue tele, analogue phones, analogue watches etc. !!)

wrinklearthur
7th February 2011, 07:26 PM
WHAT!?!?!!?!

First I had my HMV b&W good tv, beautiful wood- then auntty jack brought in colour... bastard!...er bitc... err mongrel!!!

then....

Oh hold on theyve already "shafted" us, changed us in a country area over first, no option but to get set top boxes etc...then due to distance replace aerial with digital aerial and digital coax cables etc etc...

prices for all these items are still high as there isnt high demand for them. If theyd done city areas first prices would be lower (because of volume) and everyone wins. MMMM (must stop whinging!!) at least once or twice in most shows I get to watch jumbled squares of undiscernable stuff or a box saying "no signal"... yep digital tele is great!! (bring back analogue tele, analogue phones, analogue watches etc. !!)

Um! morse code is digital, slow rates yes, but the format is a series of on - off pulses !!! :wasntme:
Cheers Arthur

drifter
9th February 2011, 06:37 PM
Anyone heard the prat in western Sydney - constantly preaching on Channel 40 about how it is his radio channel, and how he will accept no swearing, and preaching to truckies to behave themselves - very annoying and I am sure if the truckies got hold of him he would be no more.

Every time I have used the M7 he has been on preaching and even on my handheld I get him from Hornsby to Liverpool so he must either have a good radio or have the antenna up high.

Garry

There was one on channel 5 (I think it was), too. The next set I buy will have the ability (I hope) to skip a set of channels I can choose.

I have been watching the 80 channel news with interest as I am in the market for a new set.

RecMec
9th February 2011, 09:42 PM
G'evening all, our local radio shop tells me not to consider buying a new set until at least June, by that time all the new sets will be on the market and Watts' will have had a chance to check 'em out. I'm with Digger, I reckon you can't beat a piece of string with a jam tin at each end:p.
Cheers ... Ray.

KarlB
26th February 2011, 03:03 PM
GME announced on 21 Feb 2011, the availability of 80 channel 477 Mhz (UHF) upgradable CB radios (see News | GME (http://www.gme.net.au/news/2011/02/21/uhf-477mhz-cb/30)).

Cheers
KarlB
:)

Hoges
26th February 2011, 03:16 PM
Um! morse code is digital, slow rates yes, but the format is a series of on - off pulses !!! :wasntme:
Cheers Arthur

True but it's done it's dash for now:eek::wasntme:

disco gazza
4th March 2011, 06:05 PM
There's a bloke here in Sydney,that is on ch 17 from about 1700hrs every day.
We use ch 17 @ work to see where to park the trailers when we come in from a delivery and his constant chatter is bloody annoying.

Cheers
disco gazza
92 disco tdi :D

THE BOOGER
4th March 2011, 10:31 PM
Disco your not using a cb for commercial purposes are you:o

Plover
4th March 2011, 10:40 PM
Uniden has released two of their eighty channel ready set. One is $279rrp and the other with a remote speaker mike is $379. they will be user upgradable to eighty channels when the goverment switches to narrow band.

miky
4th March 2011, 10:43 PM
Disco your not using a cb for commercial purposes are you:o

I agree.

The constant chatter of commercial users is bloody annoying, they should be forced to buy their own frequencies.


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THE BOOGER
4th March 2011, 11:19 PM
exxy tho costs me $410 per quarter for repeater and commercial freq:) but much cheaper than mobile phones :D

miky
4th March 2011, 11:21 PM
Sorry - double post.

philco
16th April 2011, 09:00 AM
RACQ have just put the announcement in their "road ahead " magazine page 10, so a lot more people will know bout it, hopefully the idiots that abuse the frequencies won't know about it and suddenly find out one day they can't call or chat:twisted: