SHOW US YOUR FLEX !!!

[stumpy]

lets see some flex !

[stumpy]

here is some to start it off

[stig0000]

i need new pics,, this are prity old

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/212.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/213.jpg

[harry]

um, cheating with the fork.

of course the ground isn't as forgiving as this.

[Benny_IIA]

My old td5 110 tray back...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/190.jpg

[KarlB]

It would be nice to know if the pictures posted are of vehicles with or without modified suspension, and if modified, what modifications.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[NOZ]

It would be nice to know if the pictures posted are of vehicles with or without modified suspension, and if modified, what modifications.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

Good idea,maybe a brief description of whats in them as we go

[Benny_IIA]

It had.

Front:
OME 761 springs and 20mm spacers
+2" lift 80 series shocks Lovell around 10” travel
+4" Brake Lines

Rear:
Factory LR springs
14.5" travel bilstein shocks
+6" Raised Shock Mounts
Psimpson Cones (Mounted to diff for better relocation and no noise)
Sleeved and kinked factory trailing arms
Longer Brake line



My old td5 110 tray back...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/190.jpg

[lambrover]

Custom shock mounts for long travel shocks 10 inch front 12 inch rear.

Front axle: slotted swivel hubs, adjustable panhard rod, 3 inch ultra flexi coils from suspension stuff.


Rear axle: cranked lower arms and notched out at bracket on axle housing, Hi tough (maxi drive) raised A frame balljoint, 3 inch ultra flexi coils from suspension stuff.

[stumpy]

Custom shock mounts for long travel shocks 10 inch front 12 inch rear.

Front axle: slotted swivel hubs, adjustable panhard rod, 3 inch ultra flexi coils from suspension stuff.


Rear axle: cranked lower arms and notched out at bracket on axle housing, Hi tough (maxi drive) raised A frame balljoint, 3 inch ultra flexi coils from suspension stuff.

are they 35" tires or 33"s ? thats some nice setup you got there

[Psimpson7]

Here's mine (in blue) - only flex pics I could find.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/147.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/148.jpg

[lambrover]

Stumpy. cheers, they are 33's. I forgot to mention longer break hoses front and rear, very important!

[JohnR]

Same tyre (that we climbed up on) as Pets's MUCH smaller tyres :(
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/113.jpg

Janowen 4wd Park
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/114.jpg

Cheers,

[lambrover]

johnR you need to dump the sway bar they limit you so much.

[PAT303]

Lambrover,how is the ride/handling with longer soft springs?,is it rolly polly or stable?. Pat

[justinc]

Pat, I have put both swaybars back on with the 110, the rangie had some good rear end flex and a great soft ride but I got sick of the roll...The Detroit hides a few lack of flex sins IMO...:o

Plus I'm getting old:p

JC

[stig0000]

sway bars = shopping trolly :wasntme:

[justinc]

sway bars = shopping trolly :wasntme:

...Show me a shopping trolley with 400+Nm @ 2000rpm, a Detroit locker and 33's, and I'll be eatin' me hat young whippersnapper:p

Didn't you read the 'I'm getting old' refference??:D


JC

[stig0000]

...Show me a shopping trolley with 400+Nm @ 2000rpm, a Detroit locker and 33's, and I'll be eatin' me hat young whippersnapper:p

Didn't you read the 'I'm getting old' refference??:D


JC
growing old is a option aparently :p

[PAT303]

I'm asking JC because everywhere I go means corrigations or long highway runs and I don't want to make the mistakes I made on my Tdi on the Puma.It's soft all the way for me but I don't want car sickness rolly polly ride. Pat

[justinc]

I'm asking JC because everywhere I go means corrigations or long highway runs and I don't want to make the mistakes I made on my Tdi on the Puma.It's soft all the way for me but I don't want car sickness rolly polly ride. Pat

I'm hearing you, My spring choice is LRA orange fronts,(180psi), and standard 110 rears (330psi) with Decarbon shocks. on the RRC, it was basically the same but the rear was 320psi, and had longer coils with 2" longer shocks and no rear sway bar due to the long range tank.

I had a 3" body lift too, so all added up to some pretty uncomfortable cornering at times, was OK with the Gforce suspension hooked up, but took that off when I fitted the sals because the rollbar wouldn't fit. Had thoughts of engineering a new one but it didn't happen.

I have seen some serious corrugations with this set up on the Rangie, and with the tall tyres deflated to 30psi, and the decarbon shocks giving a great ride, I am happy to fit it all up to the county.

I'm sure I sound like I'm trying to tell you something you allready know, but I feel that damper choice will give you a great ride, and don't go too soft on the spring rates or risk overstroking and heating up the shocks.

JC

[PAT303]

Like you as I'm getting older I feel the need for refinement not mucho stuff and I've decided to really spend the dollars on a good suspension set-up and better storage and fuel carrying ability. Pat

[JohnR]

johnR you need to dump the sway bar they limit you so much.

I know :( But it handles awsome on the road and behaves itself nicely when heavily loaded even with roof rack. Safety is a concern with Wife and three little ones in the back.

The thought of some sort of sway bar disconect has apealed to me :angel:

But then again, twin lockers make up for it :o I know it's wrong to use them that way but heck if you still get up the hill and a bit safer :D

Maybe one day as an experiment but I'll have to check brake line and ABS sensors for length first. Till then Lock, Lock and drive :D

Cheers,

[lambrover]

It's all good I was only being cheeky. My car is a bit floaty but I think my shocks are to blame for that and want to change them. At Christmas I fitted a sway bar, due to the long rang tank I have the brackets to lower the sway bar, but with the spring lift I have when the axle flexes to where mine can the sway bar links invert and turn up and get stuck and wont come back to normal rest position.

[sav07]

This could be an option for more flex:
X-eng High Performance Off-Road Engineering (http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-Deflex.asp)
Sav

[JohnR]

Yes I have looked at that and it is definatley on the list just not sure when as it's not cheap and the freight would be hefty as well.

But love the idea. I'd be really keen to hear from someone that has installed one and what they think?

Cheers,

[cdbanks]

JC is probably not going to like this one to much considering the amount of work he has put in to the old rangie. But still a pretty cool pic.

(sorry wrong forum)

[rrturboD]

Been trying to sort out a solution to lifting wheels and the resultant reduced traction ... so last year I lashed out and got some X-Eng gear ... Friday was a quiet day, so why not get it fitted! Only issue was I needed to find local workshop who could make a 900mm brake line. After getting it all in and brakes bled ... now to test.
Had a club training day today so had a chance to try it out. Issues to resolve are really only that the passenger tyre just touches the inner guard when almost fully compressed, but not the drivers side. May need to consider wheels with different offset, or little narrower.
I was amazed at how much the vehicle improved in the rough, cross axle situations with the 4 wheels all pushing on the ground, with lockers disengaged, it still kept moving forward with minimum wheel spin.
Now to sort out the front!

[90]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/90-110-130-defender-county/35280d1303471723-show-us-your-flex-p1030698.jpg
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/90-110-130-defender-county/35278d1303471536-show-us-your-flex-dsc00376_jpg.jpg

2" scorpion racing kit
33" Simex JT2
Nothing else

How do I get a bigger photo ?

[Wal Rat]

bump

[Camper]

sav07 top site you have listed, well worth a look and with A$ up not so expensive.

[markb]

I have just installed the ex engineering sway bar to my 87 Rangie it has really transformed the car. It is now much more stable at high speed and corners much flatter. I would Highly recommend them to anyone I got mine from Hy line automotive in Taralgon.

[defenderkev]

Heres mine not at full flex but getting close to it

Rear Springs are OME 280lb with Pro Comp Shocks, Springs Retained Top and Bottom.

Front Springs OME 220/240lb with 80Series OME Shocks, Front Towers Spaced Up, Haultech Holy Bushes


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/282.jpg

[lrdef110]

Tried to work out the max flex so used a forklift.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/260.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/261.jpg

Measured just over a metre but not sure whether you would achieve this on real track conditions.

[lndrvrboy]

my 300tdi not at full flex
it has 2" OME kit with soft springs
265/75's

[MR LSD]

Tried to work out the max flex so used a forklift.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/260.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/261.jpg

Measured just over a metre but not sure whether you would achieve this on real track conditions.love it tell us what your set up is looks like air bags in the rear?:cool:

[lrdef110]

Yes Simon - airbags. These were specially valve for extended travel. The whole rear end has been rebuilt and the trailing arm mounts on the chassis have been cut off and repositioned. My mate has a two door rangie comp truck and he got about 30mm higher on the fork lift than me but he has a 4" lift with unrestrained coils, whereas my suspension is fully retained. Although I probably could have played around with the airbags by taking air out of one side and inflating the other to get a big more flex. Its got a 3.9V8 in it and auto trans with 49% reduction transfer case, and extended ute cab.
Cheers, Barry

[Oilworker]

The other week my little Rhino at a LR Experience camp...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/925.jpg

WRR custom made progressive coils +1.8"
Proflex full adjustable shox
5" bolt-on portals
Cooper STT 315/75R16
TPAS

[chook73]

The other week my little Rhino at a LR Experience camp...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/925.jpg

WRR custom made progressive coils +1.8"
Proflex full adjustable shox
5" bolt-on portals
Cooper STT 315/75R16
TPAS

Hi Robert,

Been looking at your truck on expedition portal, it's certainly well done and looks great, congratulations.

I was just wondering how you find the proflex? Did you compare them against bilstiens?

Regards Iain.

[Oilworker]

Hi Iain,

well I had some Bilsteins in the 110SW some years ago. They weren´t bad, but since early 2007 I have these Proflex shox and after understanding their possibilities I am deeply in love with them.
They have covered approx. 212.000km now (in the 110SW and now in my 130CC-R). Sofar no problems and I´ve had them serviced 3 times at Proflex.

Just lately I had a prototype shock with external reservoir from Offroad Trading, for 4 months. They will receive a few changes and undergo a little workover, but behaved really well.

It all depends on what you´re planning to do and how much you´re willing to spend ;)

So long,

Robert

[chook73]

Hi Robert,

Given you have over 200k on one set of shocks with the punishment you have put them through from what I read, it seems they are worth considering (not sure of the price in aus).

I am still doing research but looking into what may best suit my needs, mainly touring with hardcore when encountered between A and B as opposed to looking for it each weekend.

Is there a specific model number as I can't find much information on them?

Regards Iain.

[Oilworker]

I guess it´s because it´s more of a niche product for them.
If I find my old invoice I might be able to give you the exact number.

Just contact:

Alistair McRae Motorsport
Proflex Shockabsorbers - mainindex (http://www.proflex-shockabsorbers.com/mainindex/mainindex.htm)

[tomisawesome]

86 RRC.

31" tyres, 2" Ironman lift with foam cell shocks.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/917.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/918.jpg

[chook73]

Thanks Robert as I said just doing research at the moment but I will definitely give them a call I'm the near future

[isuzutoo-eh]

Finally took some 'in use' rather than posed flex shots

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/865.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/866.jpg

Dobinson 2" 'stiffer' springs, with the supplied Dobinson shocks, which are standard length despite the 2" lift :twisted:
Looks pretty balanced F/R though.

I'd like to space the flares out 20mm or so, as the rears rub on full tuck.

[LowRanger]

Finally took some 'in use' rather than posed flex shots

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/865.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/866.jpg

Dobinson 2" 'stiffer' springs, with the supplied Dobinson shocks, which are standard length despite the 2" lift :twisted:
Looks pretty balanced F/R though.

I'd like to space the flares out 20mm or so, as the rears rub on full tuck.

Looks like a nice track:D

[lndrvrboy]

also some in use photos of mine 2" ome soft springs ome rear springs and bilstein front's.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/665.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/666.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/667.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/668.jpg

[wagoo]

It would be interesting to do a before and after comparison of offroad stability of vehicles modified for increased flex. One that has balanced front to rear articulation should in theory be more stable in severe cross axle scenarios, but these type of suspensions tend to have little roll resistance so may be more inclined to tip over on a pure side slope.
I'd like to modify an old hydraulic tipping tray into a tilt platform to test side slope stability of various setups with suspension in both unrestricted and restricted mode.
Bill.

[uninformed]

It would be interesting to do a before and after comparison of offroad stability of vehicles modified for increased flex. One that has balanced front to rear articulation should in theory be more stable in severe cross axle scenarios, but these type of suspensions tend to have little roll resistance so may be more inclined to tip over on a pure side slope.
I'd like to modify an old hydraulic tipping tray into a tilt platform to test side slope stability of various setups with suspension in both unrestricted and restricted mode.
Bill.

when you say balanced, Im guessing you mean something with the front modded...IMO you get as much out of the front RA as possible, then get the rear to match, mabe a touch more...yes it wont be super flexy but should be a bit more predictable.

Bill, on which side of the fence are you on regarding retained or unretained springs?

[wagoo]

when you say balanced, Im guessing you mean something with the front modded...IMO you get as much out of the front RA as possible, then get the rear to match, mabe a touch more...yes it wont be super flexy but should be a bit more predictable.

Bill, on which side of the fence are you on regarding retained or unretained springs?

I run a One Link rear and 3 link front with unretained closer spaced springs front/rear Serg.. A coil spring has much the same rate in extension as compression. Once say a 200lbin spring extends to its free length during articulation , I don't want that same spring applying a 200lbin lifting force to the drooping wheel. There is also an offcentre see-saw action with the compressed spring being the fulcrum, which transfers some of the weight on the compressed spring over to the drooping wheel. At the limit, retained springs negate that see saw effect.
Then again, I do have a much wider wheel track that restores any stability I may have lost compared to a standard setup,so I don't mind if the body leans over a bit more on sideslopes. I may not feel quite so confident with standard width axles though so a lockable antiroll bar, engageable from the cab would be up there on my 'to do' list.
Bill.

[Leroy_Riding]

100% stocko MY12 D90
http://imageshack.us/a/img515/659/facebook560633096.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/515/facebook560633096.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/a/img835/7121/facebook64850318.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/facebook64850318.jpg/)

[TimNZ]

Evoque showing how much it can felx.....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/73.jpg

Cheers,

Tim

[Leroy_Riding]

Evoque showing how much it can felx.....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/73.jpg

Cheers,

Tim

Which is not at all it seems :eek:

[Green Elephant]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Stock '12 Puma - testing the wheel/tyre combo. 9" wheels on 285/75's :)

[78RRman]

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/280531_10151350371477013_407618112_o.jpghttp://http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/258373_10151350373282013_749132702_o.jpg

Stock '12 Puma - testing the wheel/tyre combo. 9" wheels on 285/75's :)

Do they scrub anywhere I have a my12 order and a set of 285/75's from my RR was wondering whether they would go straight on?

[Bush65]

I run a One Link rear and 3 link front with unretained closer spaced springs front/rear Serg.. A coil spring has much the same rate in extension as compression. Once say a 200lbin spring extends to its free length during articulation , I don't want that same spring applying a 200lbin lifting force to the drooping wheel. There is also an offcentre see-saw action with the compressed spring being the fulcrum, which transfers some of the weight on the compressed spring over to the drooping wheel. At the limit, retained springs negate that see saw effect.
Then again, I do have a much wider wheel track that restores any stability I may have lost compared to a standard setup,so I don't mind if the body leans over a bit more on sideslopes. I may not feel quite so confident with standard width axles though so a lockable antiroll bar, engageable from the cab would be up there on my 'to do' list.
Bill.
Bill, unfortunately I lost the hard drive where I saved some copies of your flex pics. They are posted in other threads/forums somewhere though.

I don't think I would be far wrong claiming your landie flexes better, particularly front to rear balance, than anyone else here.

[goingbush]

John, are these the lost photos of Bills Landy?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/1110.jpg


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/1111.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/1112.jpg

Bill, I dont think the Vise on your bullbar is compliant with ADR's pertaining to pedestrian safety ;)

.

[goingbush]

Speaking of Flex,

this reasonably standard looking 110 has some impressive flex,
check out the length of the front springs.

"NIGIRI 8th" 2ndSection Land Rover Defender 110 - YouTube

[lambrover]

Speaking of Flex,

this reasonably standard looking 110 has some impressive flex,
check out the length of the front springs.

Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et0GyRvIo6Q&feature=BFa&list=PL0ACDDDE2F1AD3570 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et0GyRvIo6Q&feature=BFa&list=PL0ACDDDE2F1AD3570)

It's hard to see but I think it's a 3 link front, were the radius arm attaches to the axle housing it seem higher up then standard.

[wagoo]

John, are these the lost photos of Bills Landy?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/1110.jpg


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/1111.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/1112.jpg

Bill, I dont think the Vise on your bullbar is compliant with ADR's pertaining to pedestrian safety ;)

.

Sorry, I've been offline for a couple of weeks.
John,I'm often surprised that old photos of the 4x4,and grainy old video of my old 6x6 occasionally pop up on obscure(to me) websites and forums.
Don.the vice only lives there when I'm offroad.Besides,the only features of that vehicle that would be conducive to pedestrian or animal safety are the low speeds I usually drive it at, the noise it makes, and when all else fails, the ground clearance under the diffs.
Bill.

[Bush65]

John, are these the lost photos of Bills Landy?

...
I hadn't seen those - they make the point though. Thanks for posting.

[Green Elephant]

I was told by a few it would foul/scrape - but have absolutely no scrub at all 78RRman - very happy with the setup.

[wagoo]

It's hard to see but I think it's a 3 link front, were the radius arm attaches to the axle housing it seem higher up then standard.

My gigabyte limit for the month has been exceeded, so I can't play the video.
However, there is a One Link wishbone kit available in the UK that utilises the standard radius arm brackets on the front axle and attaches/articulates off a special replacement crossmember below the gearbox bell housing.
bill.

[MLD]

I stumbled across this on Youtube. An Equip 4x4 Def 90. Some serious flex in some shots. More the point the driver has a keen sense of his vehicle's limits on balance. I would have browned my pants long before some of the hairy moments this fella gets into.

Defender Equipe 4x4 2 - YouTube

MLD

[wagoo]

I stumbled across this on Youtube. An Equip 4x4 Def 90. Some serious flex in some shots. More the point the driver has a keen sense of his vehicle's limits on balance. I would have browned my pants long before some of the hairy moments this fella gets into.

Defender Equipe 4x4 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kurUQawp5Ww)

MLD
He would need to have a keen sense of balance too. Can't play the Video,(my Gig limit) but there doesn't appear to be any visible rollover protection after spending wads of cash at Equipe.
Bill.

[uninformed]

Bill, it was a montarge of many different LRs and drivers, most of the extreme clips cut just before the rig did roll over...........

[LowRanger]

I stumbled across this on Youtube. An Equip 4x4 Def 90. Some serious flex in some shots. More the point the driver has a keen sense of his vehicle's limits on balance. I would have browned my pants long before some of the hairy moments this fella gets into.



MLD

Mark
You were there and saw mine compared to the 110 with all the Equip gear at Wheeny Creek.
Mine has just as much flex,and was more stable in doing so.;)

[MLD]

Mark
You were there and saw mine compared to the 110 with all the Equip gear at Wheeny Creek.
Mine has just as much flex,and was more stable in doing so.;)

Wayne, I have a great photo of your truck at full drop at Wheeney creek. It never made it to my Flickr photos. i'll dig it out and send it to you.

MLD

[LowRanger]

Wayne, I have a great photo of your truck at full drop at Wheeney creek. It never made it to my Flickr photos. i'll dig it out and send it to you.

MLD

Thanks Mark
I don't normally hang around for poser shots,and I am normally the one with the camera,and don't have many of the old truck.

I firmly believe that the Equip stuff,although well made,is extremely overpriced for what it actually gives you.

I am again going to be doing the same,suspension wise,on my trayback as I have done on the wagon,and I reckon,I will only spend about 1/2 as much doing both vehicles,as what it would cost to do 1 vehicle with Equip stuff.

[uninformed]

Wayne, when you get your weights and springs etc, I will be very interested to know ;)

[LowRanger]

Wayne, when you get your weights and springs etc, I will be very interested to know ;)

Yeah Ok Serg,might be a little while yet,as I have only just ordered some of the suspension components from the U.K.

[78RRman]

Just thought I'd show off some off the shelf flex whilst seeing if the 285/75s would scrub anywhere before the snow trip next month none anywhere :D
60639

[micksta1973]

Back has +2 OME spring, Terrafirma +5 pin to pin shocks, Terrafirma dislocation cones with Scorpion Racing cranked trailing arms. Ball joint has also been machined to give a few more degrees of movement. Front has +2 OME springs with +2 OME Nitrocharger Sport shocks, Terrafirma dislocation cones.

[noogie]

Sorry, I've been offline for a couple of weeks.
John,I'm often surprised that old photos of the 4x4,and grainy old video of my old 6x6 occasionally pop up on obscure(to me) websites and forums.
Don.the vice only lives there when I'm offroad.Besides,the only features of that vehicle that would be conducive to pedestrian or animal safety are the low speeds I usually drive it at, the noise it makes, and when all else fails, the ground clearance under the diffs.
Bill.


No one can flex like you Bill.
Love ya truck mate and how it puts everything to shame.
The boys love it too, even the spiders.

Gotta catch up at trials sometime soon.:D

[LowRanger]

No one can flex like you Bill.
Love ya truck mate and how it puts everything to shame.
The boys love it too, even the spiders.

Gotta catch up at trials sometime soon.:D

I don't think Bill has been around the forum for 6 months or so:(

[GoldCloverLeaf]

Mmmmmm flexi-ness

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Yes i need to clamp the braided hose... looking for a suitable rubber hose clamp... if anyone has a lead. Supercr*p auto has them in a kit of 40 odd different sizes but i only need four.

[n plus one]

Mmmmmm flexi-ness

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Yes i need to clamp the braided hose... looking for a suitable rubber hose clamp... if anyone has a lead. Supercr*p auto has them in a kit of 40 odd different sizes but i only need four.

Bump the flex!

Masters has individual packs of P clamps (assume this is what you're chasing?). Any decent hardware store has 'em.

[PAT303]

I don't think Bill has been around the forum for 6 months or so:(

Can anyone get in contact with him to see how he's going?. Pat

[goingbush]

Can anyone get in contact with him to see how he's going?. Pat

just dropped Bill a line, he hosted a LROCV trials event at his place a few weeks ago, will let you know

cheers Don

[PAT303]

just dropped Bill a line, he hosted a LROCV trials event at his place a few weeks ago, will let you know

cheers Don

Thanks Don. Pat

[goingbush]

Bill is doing fine other than having issues with Rheumatoid arthritis , bought a tidy 84 RRC and plans to swap his portals onto it to make a 'tourer' to hopefully do a bit of travelling in a few years time when he 'officially retires'.

That will be neat. (probably see it in the show us your flex section once the LROCV cameras get a peek at whats happening in Bills shed)

[LowRanger]

Bill is doing fine other than having issues with Rheumatoid arthritis , bought a tidy 84 RRC and plans to swap his portals onto it to make a 'tourer' to hopefully do a bit of travelling in a few years time when he 'officially retires'.

That will be neat. (probably see it in the show us your flex section once the LROCV cameras get a peek at whats happening in Bills shed)

No news on whether Bill is going to come back here,as I miss partaking of his infinite wisdom regarding Land Rovers.

[goingbush]

No news on whether Bill is going to come back here,as I miss partaking of his infinite wisdom regarding Land Rovers.

no news on that front, might be a work in progress

[skc]

My 90;

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/734994_10151276150238411_1502653367_n.jpg

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[goingbush]

Chainlink extreme 4x4 Lizard - YouTube

[Slunnie]

Mmmmmm flexi-ness

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Hey, what are those shock mounts?

[GoldCloverLeaf]

Hey, what are those shock mounts?

Gwyn Lewis Challenge... they do two types... single position and three position as pictured... the more upright position suposedly offers a stiffer ride where the outer position offers a softer ride and a bit more articulation.

[LowRanger]

Gwyn Lewis Challenge... they do two types... single position and three position as pictured... the more upright position suposedly offers a stiffer ride where the outer position offers a softer ride and a bit more articulation.

Gwyn only recommends the 3 position for the 110,but the 1 position for the 90 as well as the 3 position.Have had mine for years;)

[GoldCloverLeaf]

Yep can't fault the kit, i looked at several options, but in terms of price and quality the GL stuff came out on top. For Td5 & Puma 110's you will need to relocate the fuel filter mount, he also sells a kit to do this.

All his stuff is very easy to DIY install, highly recommended.

[Felix]

+1 on the Gwyn lewis kit. I bought the lot, arms, cones, props etc. Highly recommended.

[modman]

[QUOTE=GoldCloverLeaf;1955107]Mmmmmm flexi-ness

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This WILL open a can if worms and ill put my pirate hat on;)
Nothing personnel and I do like this 110 ( a lot) but all that rear flex and no front flex makes an unstable rig
The rear looks almost maxed out and the front hasn't even started to articulate
In the Vic high country steep downhill one tyre over a washout or erosion control berm and the rear will unload way before the front articulates to keep the rig balanced
That is a rollover compared to a balanced rig where both axles articulate together
It's a small rant
Btw I am still getting the GL rear mounts, I just intend to use a rear sway bar to encourage the front to flex
Dc

[cookey]

Some serious flex on a Sierra that I built for a customer 10 years ago........

Flx11e 1 - YouTube

Flx11e 2 - YouTube

Flx11e 4 - YouTube

Flx11e 5 - YouTube

Flx11e 8 - YouTube



Cookey

[rrturboD]

1988 RR Classic
X-Arm
X-Spring
Terrafirma pin/pin +5 shocks
custom raised TerraFirma top mounts
Rear springs LRA White
Front springs LRA Red

I'll try a ramp next time club has it out.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Cookey, was that Porter's Road in Kenthurst?

[GoldCloverLeaf]

[QUOTE=GoldCloverLeaf;1955107]Mmmmmm flexi-ness


This WILL open a can if worms and ill put my pirate hat on;)
Nothing personnel and I do like this 110 ( a lot) but all that rear flex and no front flex makes an unstable rig
The rear looks almost maxed out and the front hasn't even started to articulate
In the Vic high country steep downhill one tyre over a washout or erosion control berm and the rear will unload way before the front articulates to keep the rig balanced
That is a rollover compared to a balanced rig where both axles articulate together
It's a small rant
Btw I am still getting the GL rear mounts, I just intend to use a rear sway bar to encourage the front to flex
Dc

I don't disagree with anything you have said, we all know it's not easy to get great articulation out of the front without some serious mods but the front flex's reasonably well in real-world driving. It has new superpro bushes which seem to be bedding in... if that makes sense! This was taken the other weekend...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[cookey]

Cookey, was that Porter's Road in Kenthurst?

Heathcote Rd when lots of it was open.

Cookey

[rick130]

[quote=modman;1962390]

I don't disagree with anything you have said, we all know it's not easy to get great articulation out of the front without some serious mods but the front flex's reasonably well in real-world driving. It has new superpro bushes which seem to be bedding in... if that makes sense! This was taken the other weekend...

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Front radius arms have an inherent roll stiffness 'built in' which makes it harder to balance front and rear roll stiffness, but not impossible.

The bush position and spacing creates this and is the reason holey or slotted bushes work so well, and the reason why you don't want Disco or RRC triple shell bushes in the front either.

Having said that, I was surprised when I went from slotted radius arm bushes to the Super Pro ones years ago as it seemed I gave away little flex for a more positive on road driving experience.

There's thread on here somewhere with me doing a very rough before/after flex test.

[Bush65]

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Nothing personnel and I do like this 110 ( a lot) but all that rear flex and no front flex makes an unstable rig
The rear looks almost maxed out and the front hasn't even started to articulate
In the Vic high country steep downhill one tyre over a washout or erosion control berm and the rear will unload way before the front articulates to keep the rig balanced
That is a rollover compared to a balanced rig where both axles articulate together
It's a small rant
Btw I am still getting the GL rear mounts, I just intend to use a rear sway bar to encourage the front to flex
Dc
You are correct, but the wording at the end, infers (I'm sure unintended) that the GL rear mount is a cause of the imbalance, which is not the case.

Just me being pedantic, so newbies, or not so newbies, don't get the wrong idea about shockie mounts. BTW I have no interest in mounts from GL or elsewhere.

As others have alluded, balanced articulation is difficult with radius arms. A rear sway bar is one thing that does help, but basically everything has to be considered for its affect on balanced articulation. It is easy to get flex from the rear, but often the methods used to achieve that result in loss of front flex, and the problems you described.

[GoldCloverLeaf]

Well if Superior come to the party soon with their superflex arms we'll wait and see ;)

An Italian company make these arms... but at 900 euros plus shipping i'll happily wait for a local (engineer approved) product.

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[rrturboD]

Front Flex ... no sway bar, soft springs and standard rubber bushes seem to work well. Not going to heavy duty springs made the greatest impact on my RR. I played with springs for some time (rear LR springs, Pedders and Kings offerings) and opted for the current set based not so much on height gained etc, but by maintaining the reasonably soft ride. Sure there is plenty of sway when cornering, but then it is only the passengers who seem worried!

[rick130]

Sure there is plenty of sway when cornering, but then it is only the passengers who seem worried!

Yep, body roll is only an issue in quick left/right transitions, it just slows the response a bit.
The other time they can be good is say, a 130 heavily loaded with a high CofG, roll steer can be a real issue.

Years ago some Porsches only had anti-roll bars as an option.

[uninformed]

Yep, body roll is only an issue in quick left/right transitions, it just slows the response a bit.
The other time they can be good is say, a 130 heavily loaded with a high CofG, roll steer can be a real issue.

Years ago some Porsches only had anti-roll bars as an option.

I would also add, the more lift you have the more roll steer you are going to have for a given amount of body movement. So bigger lift and soft springs may mean some undesirable driving characteristics

[manchild21000]

The first 2 is of my now retired disco , i took the front flex as far as possible without rose joints and a 3 link setup . The video is my current fender , by limiting the rear i forcing the front to work to its full potential . A much more predictable and balanced ride and no bodyroll onroad without swaybars . Both truck has/had retained spring . The clunk is GL front retainer ,great gear.

Defender 110 on axletwister offroad - YouTube
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[rick79]

Reviving an old thread...trying to work out my suspension and how to improve the flex on a budget until I have enough coin to put a little more into it. Open to sugestions....


Current setup - +50mm King Springs with Std height Terrafirma Big Bore Expedition shocks. Std bumpstops frnt and rear...and under full flex (car rocking diagonally) axle is still nowhere near hitting the bumpstops as you can see. What is the limiting factor here/ springs? any ideas on how to get more flex on a budget appreciated!

[Loubrey]

Just a picture off the net, but this is how its done... :-)

Never really been into this sort of thing as RTV trialling and touring's been my thing from the start. Can't imagine this would be comfortable or safe in a "Road Taxed" environment.

Cheers,

Lou

[dcale]

Hi Rick,
Looking at the picture of the shock, it looks like the shock has bottomed out?

[Pacemaker]

Hi Rick79

Are you sure the shocks are standard length. They look longer. Best way to find out is undo the bottom nut on the rear shock pull it away and measure the extended length of the shock from the centre of the top eye of the shock to the bottom of the top bush ( where the bush seats on the diff) on the lower of the shock. If you get about 570mm fully opened its stock length.

Do the same but with the shock fully compressed. From memory stock will measure about 330 or 340mm compressed.

If your shock measures 370ishmm compressed its longer than stock by 50mm and your shock is bottoming out before your diff hits the bump stops. If this is the case theres a good chance you will break the shock at full compression.

Cheers
Michael.

[rick79]

Hi Rick79

Are you sure the shocks are standard length. They look longer. Best way to find out is undo the bottom nut on the rear shock pull it away and measure the extended length of the shock from the centre of the top eye of the shock to the bottom of the top bush ( where the bush seats on the diff) on the lower of the shock. If you get about 570mm fully opened its stock length.

Do the same but with the shock fully compressed. From memory stock will measure about 330 or 340mm compressed.

If your shock measures 370ishmm compressed its longer than stock by 50mm and your shock is bottoming out before your diff hits the bump stops. If this is the case theres a good chance you will break the shock at full compression.

Cheers
Michael.


thanks Michael,
yeah I thought they were longer too...but upon inspection of the shock I can see the terrafirma part numbers on them as well as 'std' after the part number. I then looked them up in the online catalogue and those numbers on them defiantly refer to std length big bore expdt shocks.


Thing that confuses me too is that the front esp as can see in the pics seem to be quite tucked under the guards under compression...but the bump stop is the same distance away from the axle as in the pic of the rear. ( I cannot get it to touch bump stops frnt or rear. I should still take the rear off and measure open and closed lengths I guess?

[goingbush]

I had standard length Terra Firma big bore shocks in the back of my 04 Defender with standard springs and polyair inners and the bumpstops were defenitly touching, as were the front bumpstops (because they almost had a shine on them) with standard duty king springs .

[rick79]

hijacking an old thread again...:wasntme:

ok so i finnally have some coin comming soon to throw into suspension setup and get some flex happening!:twisted::twisted::twisted:

I am a little unsure of a few things tho, and if my plans will work..
please see this thread, to offer advice...

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/modified-zone/218857-advice-needed-offroad-susp-setup.html

[tangus89]

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Tested the Flex on my '98 130.
Inner rear springs removed and cones fitted with slightly longer shocks at the rear and no sway bar. standard front.

[strange_rover1]

This is a standard set up.