2002 TD5 'COOKED' MOTOR

[jonjeff]

Our 2002 Disco TD5 has a cooked motor, hubby was towing a boat in hot weather, temp guage hit the red, engine stopped, found fuel hose had a hole burnt in it, fixed fuel hose and still will not start, just 'whizzes' no compression. The Land Rover mechanic wants nothing to do with it, says that is it stuffed, I think he is generally peeved off that we never bought a Disco from him. My questions is would a 1999 TD5 motor slip straight in? Are there any modifications that has to be made and what else would we have to look out for? Hoping someone can give us some advice!

[George130]

As it is a TD5 and TD5 motor will go strait in. New they are hard to get and second hand they can be very $$$$.

Are you shure it is turning over? Also remember that it can take a bit to bleed the fuel lines.

[bee utey]

Land Rover Discovery 2 TD5 Motor (eBay item 110638977141 end time 05-Feb-11 20:37:10 AEDST) : Cars, Bikes, Boats (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Land-Rover-Discovery-2-TD5-Motor-/110638977141?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19c298d075)

[Narangga]

Land Rover Discovery 2 TD5 Motor (eBay item 110638977141 end time 05-Feb-11 20:37:10 AEDST) : Cars, Bikes, Boats (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Land-Rover-Discovery-2-TD5-Motor-/110638977141?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19c298d075)

I know you will get an honest answer to any questions you may have about that engine from the seller.

[MickS]

Land Rover Discovery 2 TD5 Motor (eBay item 110638977141 end time 05-Feb-11 20:37:10 AEDST) : Cars, Bikes, Boats (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Land-Rover-Discovery-2-TD5-Motor-/110638977141?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19c298d075)

That sounds like a bargain. I'm impressed by the "loctite" reference...:)

Wonder if the injector harness has been replaced. I replaced mine in the original motor, and after that motot blew and was replaced...some time down the track I had replace that the harness in that lol

[Tank]

Our 2002 Disco TD5 has a cooked motor, hubby was towing a boat in hot weather, temp guage hit the red, engine stopped, found fuel hose had a hole burnt in it, fixed fuel hose and still will not start, just 'whizzes' no compression. The Land Rover mechanic wants nothing to do with it, says that is it stuffed, I think he is generally peeved off that we never bought a Disco from him. My questions is would a 1999 TD5 motor slip straight in? Are there any modifications that has to be made and what else would we have to look out for? Hoping someone can give us some advice!
If your motor is stuffed I would jump at that eBay engine, get a good mechanic to fit it and swap over any parts you need from your old motor, it is a straight forward job, Regards Frank.

[MickS]

Out of the box new you are looking around $18K.

[slug_burner]

If you change to another engine which is likely to be your most economical option you will have to manage the injector codes and ECU combination.

I competant mechanic should know about this issue just mention it should you decide to do it yourselves.

[Blknight.aus]

IT may sound daft but I hav enever heard of an engine cranking over being defined as "whizzing" I have had people describe the operation of a startermotor thats not engaging the flywheel making that noise.

if the engines not turning then its the startermotor and you might be lucky in that the holed fuel hose has drowned the electrical connections and given the ECU bad signals.

[Hamish71]

I concur....replacing the engine because a fuel hose leaked is fairly drastic. Having said that, running the engine in the red until it stops is not exactly great practice, and can do significant damage. Spend the time/money making sure you know whats wrong....and if required, then that engine is a relative bargain.

BUT...a new fuel hose and a day at a competent mechanic resulting in your engine running fine will be a lot cheaper.

What does "The Land Rover mechanic wants nothing to do with it, says that is it stuffed" mean. Have they looked at it?

[Redback]

IT may sound daft but I hav enever heard of an engine cranking over being defined as "whizzing" I have had people describe the operation of a startermotor thats not engaging the flywheel making that noise.

if the engines not turning then its the startermotor and you might be lucky in that the holed fuel hose has drowned the electrical connections and given the ECU bad signals.

X2 with this statement


I concur....replacing the engine because a fuel hose leaked is fairly drastic. Having said that, running the engine in the red until it stops is not exactly great practice, and can do significant damage. Spend the time/money making sure you know whats wrong....and if required, then that engine is a relative bargain.

BUT...a new fuel hose and a day at a competent mechanic resulting in your engine running fine will be a lot cheaper.

What does "The Land Rover mechanic wants nothing to do with it, says that is it stuffed" mean. Have they looked at it?

And this as well.

One thing about the TD5, it won't run after the temp goes to red, it losses power then stops, unfortunately by the time this happens it's usually to late, it's a really bad design fault I think, it will sit at normal temp and then in an instant, go into the red and lose power, bloody stupid setup.

Baz.

[jonjeff]

Thank-you Guys - I havent had much faith in our mechanic - he replaced a fuel pump only for the problem to happen again and then changed the fuel hoses and everything was fine - led us to believe that the fuel pump was quite ok in the first place. He says he has checked the motor and said that it is 'cooked' and quoted us huge $$$$ to get another & fit - basically was disinterested and never said anything about the starter motor.
Just talked with Hubby and he said the car did not lose power, just stopped, so I am hoping with all my might that is is the starter motor like you have suggested. The oil isnt milky and there is plenty of coolant left. Will be getting a mechanic out to check when it cools down! Will let you know what happens!
thank-you again

[Blknight.aus]

theres some rudimentary checks you can do yourself to help find the fault.

if you're not much chop at describing things then you could just take a sound bite of the engine trying to start and post it up that will give you a start point for us to help out from.

if its just a gone fuel line providing you're a little patient and have some fairly basic tooling you can replace those yourself.

[jonjeff]

Okay - Mechanic isnt able to come out for a few days, so in the meantime I have done a little checking. Keep in mind that I'm a 'girl' and we have been told that it is 'cooked' and searching for a new engine have done nothing at all with it. So today, put a battery in, and tried to start it - starter motor is not 'whizzing' like hubby described it (bugger, had hoped it was the starter motor!) The engine is turning over, fan is turning, but doesnt sound like it wants to kick in, def not like it sounded before it got hot and burnt a hole in the fuel line.
Fuel pump is working, but while it is pumping, diesel is dripping quite rapidly out of the fuel filter (when the pump stops running the dripping stops) Both the manual and sports mode lights are flashing. Checked ECU - no oil and looks to be clean. The oil is very black and does have a burnt smell to it. Have posted a video on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgEOSVtOwI4 hoping that it will give all the 'helpers' an insight and perhaps an answer.
I am assuming that a diagnostic tool would've been able to tell the previous mechanic the problem ie compression, if it is blown???
So perhaps I will just have to accept that it is blown and save my pennies for another motor. Just cant get it out of my mind that it has something to do with fuel - motor came to a sudden stop, fuel line had a hole burnt in it. Hubby tells me today that it had happened on the way to his destination and he fixed the hose and it started again no problems, he drove on his way home only for it to happen again and it just wouldnt go after they fixed the hose. It did get hot before though, didnt lose power but the temp guage was on its way down when the hose burnt.
Sorry if I'm not explaining things correctly, hope you can read between the lines.

[strangy]

Firstly a little bit of good news. The fuel dripping is from the water sensor and is either just loose or needing an oring or worst the sensor has cracked. In any case a quick and easy fix for that bit. You can use a 10mm bolt for a temporary fix with some thread tape or O ring. This just screws in to the bottom of the filter.

The pump sounds like it is running without load i.e not fully primed and not pressurising the system. Worth having a look for fuel leaking around the top back of the motor on the drivers side (fuel regulator and fittings and fuel cooler) with the black plastic top cover off.
With the leak stopped it may be worthwhile trying the fuel priming sequence found in the vehicle handbook. The motor sounds like it has some compression and TD5's sound very similar to this when they need fuel priming. Having a good charged battery will be a help during this process.

This is just a start, not claiming it to be the answer.

[Tombie]

I have full diagnostic gear and live in Whyalla.
It *may* :D be possible that the wife and I may 'get away' to Tumby for the weekend.

I'll talk to 'the boss' and see if she wants a weekend away!!!

[Blknight.aus]

at this point your biggest problem is probabley the air in the head is preventing the injectors from doing their job. Fix the leak in the fuel filter and then follow the purging procedure in the manual. the short cut method is just to cycle the ignition 5 times waiting for the fuel pump to cut out before turning the ignition off then cranking it over with your foot flat on the floor till it fires or for 30 seconds whichever comes first.

the MS lights means your transmission is in limp mode but lets worry about that after the engine is running and tested.

heres the quick check for the cooling system.

remove the filler cap from the expansion tank and then have someone turn the key while you watch the coolant level if it jumps up and down while the engine is cranking or the return line spurts water and air in in pulses while its cranking then the head gasket is gone. The head may still be salvagable at this point. you may also have an oil film of chunks of "snot" floating in the coolant in the tank.

if it doesnt pulse while cranking start it up and let it run for a couple of minutes at about 1500 RPM with a blanket draped over the front grill if it doesnt start gysering water and air out of the expansion tank then your head is probabley ok but the head gasket may be starting to die.

put the cap back on and maintain high idle with the blanket on the front untill the engine temperature normalises then remove the blanket. IF the expansion tank doesnt vent coolant air out the xap/overflow then the head is definately ok and the gasket is probabley ok.

diesels usually dirty their oil very quickly and some oils will smell burnt very quickly even though they are still ok.

[MickS]

I have full diagnostic gear and live in Whyalla.
It *may* :D be possible that the wife and I may 'get away' to Tumby for the weekend.

I'll talk to 'the boss' and see if she wants a weekend away!!!

Well done Mike...Legend :BigThumb:

[jonjeff]

What a legend Tombie - would be much appreciated thats for sure! Right just went out to check on a bolt and some O rings - it seems the thread inside the filter is knackered as we put heaps of rings on and it is still leaking. I remember that the mechanic fixed a diesel leak that I had one time - I thought he changed the fuel filter, looks like he had put a bolt in there himself. If you look at the youtube footage, certainly doesnt look like a 'genuine' part (bolt) in the bottom of the fuel filter. So will have to get a filter and give it another try. Thanks so much for all your time Guys!!

[Narangga]

That bolt should look like this (sorry about the one handed photos while covered in diesel ;))

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4097/p1010562s.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/i/p1010562s.jpg/)


http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7475/p1010563s.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/p1010563s.jpg/)

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8891/p1010564sx.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/i/p1010564sx.jpg/)

Someone should return that bolt to the person that put it there. :mad:

[Tins]

While I don't have the experience of some of the 'guys' posting here, that sounds like a motor that will start if the fuel system is fixed and bled.
On the overheating thing, how many k's has the car done? (silly me, look at the vid!) Mine did a head gasket at almost exactly the same k's. (Seems I did well. About 160,000 seems to be good.) The temp gets into the red REAL fast, doesn't it?
The thing is, the TD5 is one strong motor, and it takes a bit to 'cook' one. Like the motor on ebay, once the head was off mine it looked fine. Sure, it cos $3K to fix it, but 50,000 k's on and it's going great.
I don't know what the school of thought is here, but I had the plastic 'locating dowels' replaced with steel. The head had obviously moved, something that doesn't go well with head gaskets, in my experience. I reckon mine would still be fine if they used them in the first place.
I wish you luck with it. You may just be fine.
PS Just saw Stuuu's pics of the fuel filter. Yep, that's what they should look like. Putting a bolt or something like it in place of the drain/sensor, unless you're stranded somewhere, is very poor practice, IMO. You may need a different mechanic.
Once again, good luck.

[Tins]

Someone should return that bolt to the person that put it there. :mad:

Yep. Preferably WITHOUT the lubrication.

[jimbob]

I have full diagnostic gear and live in Whyalla.
It *may* :D be possible that the wife and I may 'get away' to Tumby for the weekend.

I'll talk to 'the boss' and see if she wants a weekend away!!!

The generosity of people on this site astounds me. Good on you Tombie

[jonjeff]

Well 'fixed' (you dont want to know) the leaky fuel filter and have done as everyone has suggested still to no avail. :( Checked for fuel leakage in the motor and cant seem to find anything although when the fuel pump is running, I can hear a 'squelchy' noise near the fuel intake????

[bee utey]

Well 'fixed' (you dont want to know) the leaky fuel filter and have done as everyone has suggested still to no avail. :( Checked for fuel leakage in the motor and cant seem to find anything although when the fuel pump is running, I can hear a 'squelchy' noise near the fuel intake????

Personally, the sound on your very clear you tube clip leads me to suspect two low cylinder compressions, consistent with a blown head gasket. Probably best to wait for expert help to arrive.

[Hamish71]

Yup.....

Although it takes bugger all of a fuel leak to mean no pressure and no start....

[Distd5co]

maybe injector seals and washers.... press throttle pedal 5 times engine managment light should flash and it will purge the fuel system leave for 10 mins or so while it does its thing

[George130]

Well it cranks very quickly.
For an idea in costs. I spent $10,000 replacing my engine with favors. I then spent a week of my own time re doing everything and reuilding the gear box that was wrecked when the workshop didn't put things together properly.
Took a week as it was a case of 1 day for me and one helping out the owners of the workshop in return for the help.

[Tombie]

Got your message yesterday..

Will give you a call / text as soon as I can...

[incisor]

news?

you make it out there mike?