Snapped my first axle! Change to sailsbury rear axle?

[COFFEY76]

Snapped the axle on the landy on monday up around Alexandra, due to no weight and holden 202 put too much strain on the car.

I have the oppurtunity to buy a S3 ute with sailsbury rear diff.

How easily can i change over the rover rear axle to the sailsbury rear axle?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Remind us whether you have a 109" or 88" and what both vehicles started off as?

In short the issues will be:
The Salisbury has a longer pinion so the prop shaft is shorter.
The 4 cyl models and 6 cyl models have their gear boxes in different positions, which determines the prop shaft length.
SIII Salisbury have M16 wheel studs, SIIa have 9/16 BSF. (You may want to change the front hubs to match the Sals rear.)
109" have their rear springs outboard of the chassis, 88" the springs are under the chassis.

[COFFEY76]

My car is a 109" with 6cyl running gear but a holden 202 motor.

The donor car in question is a 109" 4 cyl with all orig running gear.

can the prop shaft be lengthened or shortened easily?

[isuzurover]

My car is a 109" with 6cyl running gear but a holden 202 motor.

The donor car in question is a 109" 4 cyl with all orig running gear.

can the prop shaft be lengthened or shortened easily?

Yes, the propshaft can be sorted by any reputable engineering shop for about $100+/-

The rear axle will bolt straight in.

You may wish to swap the complete front as well (a) to keep the hubs the same as Diana mentioned, and (b) to get the marginally stronger S111 109" front axle.

[JDNSW]

My car is a 109" with 6cyl running gear but a holden 202 motor.

The donor car in question is a 109" 4 cyl with all orig running gear.

can the prop shaft be lengthened or shortened easily?

All good except the prop shaft. These can be shortened, but is required to be done by a qualified shop, at least in NSW, and my experience is ridiculously expensive, although this depends on who is doing it.

John

[COFFEY76]

Riiiight, well that is good news about the prop shaft.

The fellow who has the SIII is only selling it for $400 as is.

So i figure its a bargin and means i can pull it apart and have heaps of spare parts for my car. Possibly sell parts that i dont need.

The car i looked at is a sIII single cab tray, with sails rear axle and original 4 cylinder engine. Ive been assured that the car runs but only on 3cylinders and chassis looks in reasonable condition. Its been maintained for many years as a boat launching car for a boat engineering company around lake eildon so brakes are in fairly good upkeep.

what kinda price could i expect to fetch for a SIII 4 cylinder engine if i were to sell it?

Why are SIII front axles stronger? are they not the same as IIA front axles?

also got a few pics of the IIA doing some tracks i might

[COFFEY76]

also got a few pics of the IIA doing some tracks i might chuck up in a sec.

[isuzurover]

Why are SIII front axles stronger? are they not the same as IIA front axles?



SIII 109 outer axles are 24-spline. IIA and SIII 88" are 10. As I said, only marginally stronger - just means they break at the UJ or inner rather than the outer.

I wouldn't bank on getting much money for the bits you don't need. Often you have trouble giving series bits away. I bought a SIII salisbury a while back for $200.

[COFFEY76]

Ah yeah 24 spilne, excellent that will help! But the sailsbury rear will be much longer lived than the Rover rear axle?

[isuzurover]

Ah yeah 24 spilne, excellent that will help! But the sailsbury rear will be much longer lived than the Rover rear axle?

Sals centres are near indestructible. Shame landrover downsized the axles from 1.5" to 1.24" (24-spline). But it will be more than adequate for a holden motor.

[COFFEY76]

Thanks everyone for all your help!

Should have seen this hill that killed the rear axle. HUGE! The lessons we learn hey!?

[wrinklearthur]

Yes, the propshaft can be sorted by any reputable engineering shop for about $100+/-

The rear axle will bolt straight in.

You may wish to swap the complete front as well (a) to keep the hubs the same as Diana mentioned, and (b) to get the marginally stronger S111 109" front axle.
Hi All

It would be good to swap the front ends to get the extra half shaft strength, but the six cylinder has wider brake shoes and drum's on the front, than the four cylinder 2a lwb, Although I am not sure if the series 3 four cylinder has the larger shoe size also.

Its not a hard job to keep the brakes as they were and just swap the rest of the front axle, the back brakes I believe are the same in both series.

Cheers Arthur

[JDNSW]

Hi All

It would be good to swap the front ends to get the extra half shaft strength, but the six cylinder has wider brake shoes and drum's on the front, than the four cylinder 2a lwb, Although I am not sure if the series 3 four cylinder has the larger shoe size also.

Its not a hard job to keep the brakes as they were and just swap the rest of the front axle, the back brakes I believe are the same in both series.

Cheers Arthur

Larger brakes were fitted to the four from about 1980.

John

[COFFEY76]

Ahh ok so it being 4cylinder it most likely doesnt have the bigger brakes up front. Well currently my front axle is a out of an 88" but has the bigger 6 cylinder brakes so easy enough to just mix and match and swap them all over.

[JDNSW]

Ahh ok so it being 4cylinder it most likely doesnt have the bigger brakes up front. Well currently my front axle is a out of an 88" but has the bigger 6 cylinder brakes so easy enough to just mix and match and swap them all over.

Yes, one of the big virtues of Series Landrovers is the way in which parts, even if not the same, are interchangeable.

John

[COFFEY76]

Total Genius! Go series!

[UNDEROVER]

For what it's worth, I broke both the long and short axles in the first 12 months and ended up rebuilding my rear diff in my 2A rather than replace, and took all the "slop" out of it.
I had the 2A for another 11 years after that, regularly towing 600+ kgs of work trailer and never broke another axle. :D

[wrinklearthur]

For what it's worth, I broke both the long and short axles in the first 12 months and ended up rebuilding my rear diff in my 2A rather than replace, and took all the "slop" out of it.
I had the 2A for another 11 years after that, regularly towing 600+ kgs of work trailer and never broke another axle. :D
Hi underover

You are so right about shock loadings, being the cause of driveline failure! :(
One old Gentleman ( recently deceased ) :Thump:who lived down near me, always carried spare driveshafts with him in his '64 swb, He had brought this series IIA when it was only twelve months old with very little mileage on it.
His driving habits were always steady, but being a keen fisherman, he knew all the tracks around the lakes and bays.
The original axles have outlasted him and the spares were still, as factory condition.
Oh yeah, he had a very powerful PTO driven winch and also use to carry a full set of wheel chains and they did show lots of wear ! :clap2:

Cheers Arthur

[Sideroad]

I am on my 3rd long shaft in my holden powered 2A 109. I have found there are different quality levels of replacement axles. The one I have now has been fine for over 4 yrs now. I also noticed that diff slop can be a huge factor in shock loading the diff/axle. Mine is not great but better since i replaced it as I blew a diff carrier apart.
I do have a sals rear to go in once I get time from fixing everything else.

[UNDEROVER]

Mine was a 186 powered unit, 60 thou oversize, mild cam, bigger valves, 350 holley, extractors etc.
Also regularly towed the tinny to Double Island Point through various beach conditions as well as work and went like a dream. (all be it a tad rugged!)
From my point of view, it comes down to appropriate maintenance for what you're doing with your vehicle.

Loads of fun....