Rims on my trailer

[Mudnut]

Oh great one(s),
I have a question... I had an off road trailer made in Melbourne, and had my mud tyres on steel rims fitted to it. I wanted to go up the CREB track today (ended not being able to cross the Daintree river due to depth and Crocks.) As I removed the Mud tyres from the trailer, and went to put my alloy rims, with the General Grabbers fitted. Couldn't do so because the wheel studs on the trailer were a smaller diameter than those on the Defender. Looking at the hub, I'm not sure if they can be removed, and "Defender sized" ones put on. Is it worth it to do so?? Are the alloy nuts a standard outside diameter, and can I get some with the right thread to fit the trailer studs?? Also I don't have electric brakes fitted, should I go the way of fitting them, with the proper sized studs?? I really do need my trailer, and also muddies during the wet up here, and I don't want to have to buy two more rims, and tyres. I don't have the room to store them in this rental house.
I am leaning towards the electric brake hubs, as I do carry some heavy loads, but don't want the spend the money at the moment.

Thanks for any help,

Ken

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Aren't most wheel studs pressed in?

[Mudnut]

Thanks Pedro,
This is why I posted here. I don't know if they are pressed in, and if they can be replaced. Will talk with a trailer mob in Cairns tomorrow, and see what they can offer.

Ken

[abaddonxi]

Try these -

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/29770-defender-trailer-hubs.html

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/trailers-vans-campers/50566-d2-p38a-hubs-braked-axles.html

[Xtreme]

Depending on what size the studs that you have fitted on your trailer at the moment are, it may be as simple as obtaining a set of D2 mag wheel nuts. IIRC the D2 studs are 14mm dia and the Defender ones are 16mm dia.

Don't hold me to those sizes but I know when I recently bought 5 non locking wheel nuts to replace those on the Defender, I was wrongly supplied D2 nuts whih were too small - supplier replaced them for Defender ones and all was OK.

BTW what nuts were you using on your steel trailer wheels?

[Redback]

I would say that the studs on your trailer are 9/16, pretty standard stud for an offroad trailer, most trailer places won't fit any other studs outside the standard studs they supply (ie) holden, falcon sizes for on road and 9/16 for offroad.

To get my trailer hubs with a Disco2 pattern(120PCD) and 14 studs, I had to do it myself:twisted:

Good luck with the trailer shop.

Baz.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If you have braked trailer they are likely Alko brakes with 9/16 UNF studs.

Your Defender alloys should be the equivalent of D1 and RRc which have both a larger stud 16mm and the bores for the nuts in the PCD larger than the DII alloys.

There are very few after-market nuts that will fit the Defender alloys and they are usually the reproductions of the originals.

To use your alloys on the trailer you will likely have to get the hub machined to accept the OEM studs RUF000080 WHEEL STUD | shop | www.lrseries.com | L. R. Series (http://www.lrseries.com/shop/product/listing/6538/RUF000080-WHEEL-STUD.html'search=wheel%20stud&page=1) and then use regular SIII/RRc/D1 or defender wheel nuts.

[PhilipA]

Ah, the fly in the ointment is that the holes in the hubs are bigger than the knurled diameter of the Land Rover hubs.

I had to buy Land rover studs for my RRC mags and then have the hubs redrilled to accept the Land Rover studs, equidistant from the existing holes.

My trailer has ALKO 10inch electric drum brake parallel hubs.

If you have the same hubs You also have to have the shop countersink the drillings to attain the same emerged length of stud as on your car hubs, if you want to be safe.
Regards Philip A
PS , if you do a search or scroll back through the threads in trailers you will find quite a bit of previous discussion.

[Mudnut]

Depending on what size the studs that you have fitted on your trailer at the moment are, it may be as simple as obtaining a set of D2 mag wheel nuts. IIRC the D2 studs are 14mm dia and the Defender ones are 16mm dia.

Don't hold me to those sizes but I know when I recently bought 5 non locking wheel nuts to replace those on the Defender, I was wrongly supplied D2 nuts whih were too small - supplier replaced them for Defender ones and all was OK.

BTW what nuts were you using on your steel trailer wheels?

Went and found out they are 9/16 instead of 14mm or Defender 16mm studs. Will order some Defender wheel studs, and try fitting them.
Why is nothing easy??

Will keep you posted.

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

I just took 2 Rangie front wheel hubs and two spindles to an engineering joint and said "make me an axle to stick these on...", gave them the dimensions it had to be and that was that. Now I have studs, nuts, bearings and other spares I usually keep in my kit for the car when I go away.
Cheers

Andrew


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[jddisco200tdi]

Your trailer is setup for early landrover wheels

Series I/II and early IIA - 9'16ths BSF (16 TPI) studs.

If you drill out the holes you should be able to fit the larger wheel studs.
(Although Phil A says this might not be possible)

Late IIA, SIII. Range Rover Classic, Discovery I & Defenders
- M16X1.5 studs

Regards

John D - Defender 110 2.4

[Mudnut]

Your trailer is setup for early landrover wheels

Series I/II and early IIA - 9'16ths BSF (16 TPI) studs.

If you drill out the holes you should be able to fit the larger wheel studs.
(Although Phil A says this might not be possible)

Late IIA, SIII. Range Rover Classic, Discovery I & Defenders
- M16X1.5 studs

Regards

John D - Defender 110 2.4

I have ordered the wheel studs to fit my Defender (16mm) With the "keyed area" to keep them from rotating, do you know what size I should drill them out?? The keyed area should be a larger size than the threaded part of the stud, but what size?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Your trailer is setup for early landrover wheels
Series I/II and early IIA - 9'16ths BSF (16 TPI) studs.
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Regards
John D - Defender 110 2.4John

If they are ALKO brakes or hubs on mudnuts trailer, the studs will be UNF not the BSF of the OEM Land Rover studs.

Diana

[PhilipA]

I have ordered the wheel studs to fit my Defender (16mm) With the "keyed area" to keep them from rotating, do you know what size I should drill them out?? The keyed area should be a larger size than the threaded part of the stud, but what size?

AFAIR the drilling is 1MM smaller than the keyed or knurled area , but the shop should be able to advise on this. Also remember to countersink if you have 10inch electric brake drums to get the correct emerged length.

AFAIK , all Rover studs have a splined(thats the word I was searching for) area which will stop any rotation.
Regards Philip A

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Aren't some Land Cruiser studs also 16mm?

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Aren't some Land Cruiser studs also 16mm?

Go and sit in the corner......

Using toymota parts.....

Disgusting......

:p


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[Lotz-A-Landies]

Go and sit in the corner......

Using toymota parts.....

Disgusting......

:p


Sent from my backyard TeePee using smoke signals.:BigCry:

Sent from under the dunce's cap using two tin cans and a taught string.

[Mudnut]

Well I have one alloy rim on the trailer now!! It was easy to pound out the existing studs. I ordered 10 x 16mm Defender wheel studs, and had the existing holes drilled out and larger studs put in. I don't have a drill press, so had Cairns Land Rover Specialists do this for me. Could only do one at a time, as I only had one ramp, and wood to block up one side at a time (the ride on mover, and other equip is in the trailer). Will pick up the other hub in the morning, and get the second wheel on tomorrow.
Thanks for all your assistance, and advice!!

This is a great forum.:D:D

Ken