Diesel P38

[Marshall]

OK, the wife has told me that she will travel around Oz in my 130 dual cab (no surprise there:angel:) so after a bit of research, I would like a P38 or L322. the issue is, I want a diesel and the L322 diesels are still a bit hexy, so I thought of a P38 and dropping a diesel in her, any ideas / opinions as to what the best transplant would be?

[p38arover]

Yep. Buy something else.

Converting a P38A to a diesel without a donor vehicle from the UK is fraught with difficulties.

Read this first: RangeRovers.net • View topic - 3.0 TD6 Engine Install Conversion into P38 (http://rangerovers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12822)

[Marshall]

Thanks for the link...
so in a nutshell, the main problem with a P38 diesel conversion is the ECU and getting all th electrickery to talk to each other?
not sure if I like headaches as much as the other forum suggests...:(

[big guy]

OK, the wife has told me that she will travel around Oz in my 130 dual cab (no surprise there:angel:) so after a bit of research, I would like a P38 or L322. the issue is, I want a diesel and the L322 diesels are still a bit hexy, so I thought of a P38 and dropping a diesel in her, any ideas / opinions as to what the best transplant would be?

You are saying that she will? or will not?

I know of one P38 with a 2.5L diesel that was a direct import.
Was up for sale a while ago but sold very quickly. Needless to say I guess.

Another thought is by the time you change cars, get it right and sell it after the trip and all the diesel conversion etc, it will be much cheaper to just get a stock P38 or a late D2 or early D3 in petrol guise and sell it after you are done.
Petrol is usually not such a big cost or travel.

[p38arover]

Oh, BTW, my wife won't drive my P38A. She thinks it's a truck but she liked our 300Tdi D1 and she likes driving a Disco 2. She also liked our RRC.

[DT-P38]

Funny, I can't get my Mrs out of ours... she loves the P38.

Then again, she's ok in her lifted and loaded 100 series too.

[jbell110]

Mine likes her p38 as well, even though the A/c not working
& the heater leaks on the floor LOL


Jeff

[Bilbo]

If you finish your project you will sought after for advice by so many who want to copy you. Have a look at:

Land Rover conversions - M&D Engineering (http://www.mdengineering.co.uk/index.php?act=category&cat_id=1)

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Part Number : Kit 157A
Description : HS 2.8L TGV to Range Rover P38 4.0 L auto (1994 to 2002):
Price : £6,395 + vat

[karlz]

I have a DSE (incorrectly called DHSE).
Yes I imported it.

Vehicle is 1996 details are:-
- Jeremy Fearn Intercooler and chipped (dyno mapped)
- OE Warn Winch and front bull bar mount (eat your heart out)
- Safety Devices full caged roof rack (eat your heart out)
- Dual Battery
- Recon head and turbo and aircon compressor (3k ago)
- New radiator, condensor, viscous fan (all OE)
- Arnotts airbags new 2 years ago
- New Hevac
- heaps more

Vehicle has 2 problems:-
1. Auto transmission flaring between 2nd and 3rd
2. Key fob stuffed

Will be repairing the Transmission soon, but thinking of selling as well.

Ron's seen and been in the the car (is that a bonus?)

Questions?

[996TURBO]

I have a DSE (incorrectly called DHSE).
Yes I imported it.

Vehicle is 1996 details are:-
- Jeremy Fearn Intercooler and chipped (dyno mapped)
- OE Warn Winch and front bull bar mount (eat your heart out)
- Safety Devices full caged roof rack (eat your heart out)
- Dual Battery
- Recon head and turbo and aircon compressor (3k ago)
- New radiator, condensor, viscous fan (all OE)
- Arnotts airbags new 2 years ago
- New Hevac
- heaps more

Vehicle has 2 problems:-
1. Auto transmission flaring between 2nd and 3rd
2. Key fob stuffed

Will be repairing the Transmission soon, but thinking of selling as well.

Ron's seen and been in the the car (is that a bonus?)

Questions?

Hi,
That's a nice setup there.

Any photos of the beast ?

Cheers

Flo

[Marshall]

Need photos!!!
(not just because I am looking at buying one:angel:)

[Junosi]

Yes I imported it.

Personal import ? Or did you manage to get a REVS to compliance it ?

[rovercare]

I have a DSE (incorrectly called DHSE).
Yes I imported it.

Vehicle is 1996 details are:-
- Jeremy Fearn Intercooler and chipped (dyno mapped)
- OE Warn Winch and front bull bar mount (eat your heart out)
- Safety Devices full caged roof rack (eat your heart out)
- Dual Battery
- Recon head and turbo and aircon compressor (3k ago)
- New radiator, condensor, viscous fan (all OE)
- Arnotts airbags new 2 years ago
- New Hevac
- heaps more

Vehicle has 2 problems:-
1. Auto transmission flaring between 2nd and 3rd
2. Key fob stuffed

Will be repairing the Transmission soon, but thinking of selling as well.

Ron's seen and been in the the car (is that a bonus?)

Questions?

Could you PM with a price? and some pics?:)

[karlz]

Hi,
That's a nice setup there.

Any photos of the beast ?

Cheers

Flo

Will take some this weekend.
I do have photos, but they are like cheezy ones, me grinning, elephants around the rangie etc. Who wants to see that!
So, I will take some of the rack, the winch, the engine etc.

Give me a day or 2.

[spadgr]

I have a 2.5 dse, and i am pleased with it. It was an impulse buy and i was a bit worried about it when i went on the uk based Landyzone forum. There are heaps of them over there and you either love them or hate them. One thing i gleaned from the forum is that you risk your life pulling out from a junction when they're cold as sluggish is a bit of an understatement, but once warmed up its ok. They are really economical and if driven on the cruise control they are actually quite peppy, especially if chipped (so i've heard)

They are not popular in NZ for some reason, and can be picked up for a reasonable price. Check out trademe.co.nz, there is usually at least one for sale on there.

I would swap mine for a number of vehicles, but only later model defenders or v6 diesel rangeys and i can't see that happening.

[fraser130]

I have a DSE (incorrectly called DHSE).
Yes I imported it.

Vehicle is 1996 details are:-
- Jeremy Fearn Intercooler and chipped (dyno mapped)
- OE Warn Winch and front bull bar mount (eat your heart out)
- Safety Devices full caged roof rack (eat your heart out)
- Dual Battery
- Recon head and turbo and aircon compressor (3k ago)
- New radiator, condensor, viscous fan (all OE)
- Arnotts airbags new 2 years ago
- New Hevac
- heaps more

Vehicle has 2 problems:-
1. Auto transmission flaring between 2nd and 3rd
2. Key fob stuffed

Will be repairing the Transmission soon, but thinking of selling as well.

Ron's seen and been in the the car (is that a bonus?)

Questions?

I'd be VERY interested in having a ride in it, just to see if I'm wasting my time wanting one....I've been thinking about my options to obtain one.
Cheers,
Fraser

Did the transmission problem develop after Ron was in it?:angel:

[DT-P38]

I do have photos, but they are like cheezy ones,
Put up the cheesy ones too! There is no need for decorum on this forum !!!

[fraser130]

I have a DSE (incorrectly called DHSE).
Yes I imported it.

Vehicle is 1996 details are:-
- Jeremy Fearn Intercooler and chipped (dyno mapped)
- OE Warn Winch and front bull bar mount (eat your heart out)
- Safety Devices full caged roof rack (eat your heart out)
- Dual Battery
- Recon head and turbo and aircon compressor (3k ago)
- New radiator, condensor, viscous fan (all OE)
- Arnotts airbags new 2 years ago
- New Hevac
- heaps more

Vehicle has 2 problems:-
1. Auto transmission flaring between 2nd and 3rd
2. Key fob stuffed

Will be repairing the Transmission soon, but thinking of selling as well.

Ron's seen and been in the the car (is that a bonus?)

Questions?

If you were to sell, what ballpark are you thinking........I could well be interested, send me a message via AULRO/give me a ring on 0417-102-120.
Cheers,
Fraser

[RR P38]

With the price of a P38 at around $8-10k it would be a good project to try putting TD5 or a 300tdi in a rangie.

[mogswoffy]

I have a 99- P38 Diesel, absolutley fantastic vehicle; brought it over with us last year when we emmigrated from the UK, we have owned it since 2004.
before I left it had new suspension, new full head, ball joints, front and rear props, new discs and pads all round, top to bottom service and new general grabber 18" tyres.
all in all, a bloody fortune - because the wife loves her car.

[DT-P38]

I think I read somewhere that DSE P38's are slow off the mark and sluggish overall.

Understand that diesel has a lot of benefits and I am not being critical, I am just interested to know has anyone driven one back to back with a V8 P38? And also by comparison what is the detectable performance difference?

[mogswoffy]

I don't know if I should PM or open post these questions. I hope you post your answers for all to see.
Great to hear of a real person with a real P38a diesel. What is the fuel consumption like? Road tests say it is dissappointingly noisy. What do you think? How would you feel about forum members coming to have a look at your car?

Hi Bilbo,

always better to post a general question in the forum, PM's should only be for private discussions.
anyway, back to the questions, take no notice of the road tests the the Rangie is one of the quietest vehicles i have ever owned or driven (and that is a lot, as a company car driver). the tyre choice will make a big difference to road handling and noise- chunky tread will always be more noisey. with a general all terrain tyre you can have a very quiet relaxed trip,
very little engine noise unless the viscous fan is engaged and certainly not intrusive.
on a run at 100kph the deisel returns about 8.5-9 litres per 100km and with a gentle foot you can achieve 8ltr p/100km. (mine achieves this and has covered 145k miles (234k Km)).

not to happy about members coming to have a look, there are some unsavoury characters around who may be more interested in how quickley they could get it on a trailer without someone seeing them.

i will post a pic though.

Best regards
Moggs.

[mogswoffy]

I think I read somewhere that DSE P38's are slow off the mark and sluggish overall.

Understand that diesel has a lot of benefits and I am not being critical, I am just interested to know has anyone driven one back to back with a V8 P38? And also by comparison what is the detectable performance difference?

the main differences are comparing a pushbike to a car on acceleration and the difference between jogging and sprinting once underway. a diesel will still get you there quicker as it won't need to stop for fuel every 200km.
the performance of a diesel is not to bad if you work it hard, but your driving a large, comfortable and relaxing vehicle; why would you want to boot it about everywhere- go buy a porsche cayenne if you want speed over comfort and substance.;)

[redandy3575]

the main differences are comparing a pushbike to a car on acceleration and the difference between jogging and sprinting once underway. a diesel will still get you there quicker as it won't need to stop for fuel every 200km.
the performance of a diesel is not to bad if you work it hard, but your driving a large, comfortable and relaxing vehicle; why would you want to boot it about everywhere- go buy a porsche cayenne if you want speed over comfort and substance.;)

If your only getting 200km out of a Petrol P38, then there's something majorly wrong with motor. At least 350km city driving with a 4.6L

[mogswoffy]

If your only getting 200km out of a Petrol P38, then there's something majorly wrong with motor. At least 350km city driving with a 4.6L

minor point, in comparison I get over 800Km per tank

[Hoges]

On a leisurely trip BNE-SYD via the Pacific Hwy lightly loaded, no roof racks etc, I can get about 700k between refills...with the Thor 4.6 ...yep the fuel gauge light is on but I've never had to put more than 83L in the tank to the cutoff then trickle 3L close to the brim when going back on the road again straight away esp at night when it's cooler...
But would just lurve a 3L BMW straight 6 diesel!