Who allowed these chainsaws into the country??

[DeeJay]

These remind me of the Solo Rex of the 1960's.

No Chainbrake.:mad: Not even a hand guard
Not piddly backyard saws, these mothers are 78 & 82cc
Big no no, dunno why we have Aus Standards if these can be bought on evilbay.

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[Col.Coleman]

Look Ma...........No Hands:twisted:

CC

[Celtoid]

Every Xmas I seath at the toxic garbage that is allowed to come into this country....in other words, stuff that just doesn't work or won't last and becomes toxic land fill.

...but this is beyond the pale...

Is there any real regulation?

[PAT303]

Easy,don't buy one. Pat

[pfillery]

Are they being sold on ebay Australia by an Australian seller or are they available from overseas? I think this is where the issue becomes hard - if an Australian seller is peddling them and they don't comply, they probably aren't supposed to sell them and the matter could be reported to fair trading. I'm not even sure if the standards apply to all goods or just the ones made in Australia.

On the other side of things, if the are sold by an overseas seller or dropshipped from overseas, there is really nothing that can be done to stop them being brought in and used. If they were used in a workplace and caused an accident then WHS would have a field day. Same as overseas items like seatbelts or motorcycle helmets, they can be imported and used on a vehicle but are not road legal unless they bear the standard.

As always, the onus is on the user and their common sense or lack thereof - I hate using a chainsaw at the best of times, I would never use one with no hand guard or chain brake.

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

I just slipped him an email saying I didn't thin k they are per Aus safety standards as there was no chain guard,
He promptly replied.

Quote: [They defenitley do. Chain saws are CE TUV all approved. Not all chainsaws have the break on the. The break is not a safety feature]Unquote

I was going to report these to consumer affairs, but don't know enough about chainsaws to comment.

[Celtoid]

Easy,don't buy one. Pat


Is that a band-aid or a fix?


Somebody always will and the **** still ends up in Australian soil...

[wrinklearthur]

These remind me of the Solo Rex of the 1960's.

No Chainbrake.:mad: Not even a hand guard
Not piddly backyard saws, these mothers are 78 & 82cc
Big no no, dunno why we have Aus Standards if these can be bought on evilbay.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/123.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/124.jpg
Oh No!!!!

Go on, just how do you stop these coming into Australia ????? :confused::confused::confused:

The unfortunate thing is, the person that is most likely to buy these chainsaws, is also the same person that has the least idea of how to use it.

Anyone buying these must be a canidate for that D---- award.

Cheers Arthur

[Blknight.aus]

I just slipped him an email saying I didn't thin k they are per Aus safety standards as there was no chain guard,
He promptly replied.

Quote: [They defenitley do. Chain saws are CE TUV all approved. Not all chainsaws have the break on the. The break is not a safety feature]Unquote

I was going to report these to consumer affairs, but don't know enough about chainsaws to comment.

report him, new chainsaws MUST have a Chain brake, Anti Kickback and a couple of other things....

[LandyAndy]

If you know your way around a chainsaw and are able to use it correctly the saw is fine.
I personally wouldnt touch it,I dont trip my chain brake but know its there if I ever stuff up.
The worry is first timers thinking they have snapped up a bargain.
RECIPE FOR DISASTER!!!!
Andrew

[KarlB]

The saws do not seem to comply with Australian Standard AS 2726.1—2004 which requires a front hand guard, amongs other things, to be fitted to chainsaws sold in Australia. The Standard also requires:

7.1 Protection against injury by kickback
Chainsaws shall be fitted with a chain brake and it shall be possible to activate the chain brake manually by means of the front hand guard.

See: http://www.doc88.com/p-31075716021.html

The Ebay seller should be reported to the Authorities and to Ebay Australia.

Cheers
KarlB
:mad:

[PAT303]

Is that a band-aid or a fix?


Somebody always will and the **** still ends up in Australian soil...

If a person values their money over their face thats their proplem.I wouldn't buy or use one but many would and that prooves Darwins theory. Pat

[abaddonxi]

Are these for hand sawing? Maybe they are for portable sawmills, etc.

[rick130]

Are these for hand sawing? Maybe they are for portable sawmills, etc.

82cc isn't really big enough to mill Aussie hardwoods.

Bottom line is that a saw with no inertial chainbrake/handguard and no anti-vibration is a no-no for retail sale these days.
I know of people that need a saw for work throwing out a perfectly good non chain braked saw as their insurance and OH&S won't cover it.

If someone wants to privately import one (or use an old saw that didn't have one) I have no problem with that, but to retail sale one the bloke needs a rocket.

[akelly]

I'm not an expert on chainsaw laws, but Australian Standards are not law - unless there is legislation or a regulation that specifies that chainsaws sold in Aus must meet that standard then its really only a guide to best practice (which is the purpose of the standards anyway).

That said, they are obviously an accident waiting to happen.

[Blknight.aus]

Australian standards are law in certain respects.

the standards themselves arent law, cant argue that becuase all they are is a set of specific descriptions, preformance guides, benchmarks and testing guidelines. The bit that gets you into trouble is that pesky bit that says "thus and so must be in compliance with Australian Standard pick a number"

Back on the chainsaw threads

The only caveat around not having chainbrakes, guards and anti kick back features (which is as a minimum a low kick chain) is saws that predate the standards and even then their use is limited to private use because anyone in a business (as already stated) using a non compliant saw is not covered by insurance. I've even been advised (not entirely sure how much weight I put to this) that as a ticketed chainsaw operator If I'm caught using a non compliant saw I'm up for a fine/ticket revokation probably both.

[djam1]

If its anything like the Chinese generator I bought It probably wont run long enough to hurt anyone anyway

[ugu80]

Another example of evolution in action.

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Oh No!!!!

Go on, just how do you stop these coming into Australia ????? :confused::confused::confused:



Notify Customs I guess. Forward the seller or site details and the product page and they would put an alert on it.

Cheers


Andrew


Sent from my backyard TeePee using smoke signals.

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

The saws do not seem to comply with Australian Standard AS 2726.1—2004 which requires a front hand guard, amongs other things, to be fitted to chainsaws sold in Australia. The Standard also requires:

7.1 Protection against injury by kickback
Chainsaws shall be fitted with a chain brake and it shall be possible to activate the chain brake manually by means of the front hand guard.

See: AS 2726.1-2004 Chainsaws-Safety requirements - ???? - ???? (http://www.doc88.com/p-31075716021.html)

The Ebay seller should be reported to the Authorities and to Ebay Australia.

Cheers
KarlB
:mad:
I replied to the seller on ebay and copy and pasted the your AS standards info... I still have not received a reply

[one_iota]

I do love a good chainsaw thread :D

(Makes a change from Head Lining threads eh Ron?)

[rick130]

I do love a good chainsaw thread :D

(Makes a change from Head Lining threads eh Ron?)

Absolutely.
With all this talk of no chain brake I'm surprised no ones mentioned PPE yet :wasntme:

I'm also surprised no ones mentioned the roller nosed bar ?

They haven't been available from a western manufacturer for something like thirty years.
The chainsaw racers in the US love em.

[LandyAndy]

Absolutely.
With all this talk of no chain brake I'm surprised no ones mentioned PPE yet :wasntme:

I'm also surprised no ones mentioned the roller nosed bar ?

They haven't been available from a western manufacturer for something like thirty years.
The chainsaw racers in the US love em.

Been waiting for you to drop in;);););)
What do you thing the Banjo nut and line on the muffler is about????
Pulse feed for the carby or bar oil???
And they say dinosaurs were extinct.
Andrew

[Ferret]

I see they come in pink, so what's the problem then. :twisted:

[PhilipA]

Australian standards are law in certain respects.



There are Mandatory standards and Voluntary standards.
Standards and the Law



Standards Australia is not part of government, we do not make laws or regulations.
Australian Standards are not legal documents but many, because of their rigour, are called up into legislation by government and become mandatory.
This is a decision made by elected governments, not Standards Australia.
Standards are also often incorporated into legal contracts.

Standards and Regulation
Standards are voluntary consensus documents that are developed by agreement and their application is by choice unless their use is mandated by government or called up in a contract.
Standards are one tool in a regulatory spectrum that may be applied by governments to provide a solution to a problem.
Depending on the issue, the optimal solution might be ‘no action’, or a non-regulatory solution like a publicity campaign, or self-regulation by means of a voluntary industry code or standard, or quasi-regulation such as a standard endorsed by government, or co-regulation such as a standard cross-referenced in a general or high-level regulation, or legislation.
Figure 1 illustrates the regulatory spectrum, identifying key “Choice Criteria” to guide selection of the appropriate regulatory tool. The basic principle is that risk assessment should be applied to an issue to identify the most appropriate solution.
The more risk attached to the behaviour or issue, the more government involvement is likely. In principle, progress to the right of the spectrum should be in response to increased risk to justify the increased cost and impact upon society. Standards are not always the most appropriate tool.

Home (http://www.standards.org.au/)

Regards Philip A

[one_iota]

Been waiting for you to drop in;);););)
What do you thing the Banjo nut and line on the muffler is about????
Pulse feed for the carby or bar oil???
And they say dinosaurs were extinct.
Andrew

I'd put my money on bar oil.

Do I hear the sound of banjos plucking?

[Window]

If you know your way around a chainsaw and are able to use it correctly the saw is fine.
I personally wouldnt touch it,I dont trip my chain brake but know its there if I ever stuff up.
The worry is first timers thinking they have snapped up a bargain.
RECIPE FOR DISASTER!!!!
Andrew

CRAP! you could be using chsinsaws for years, know them in and out, and then start using one of these, but all it takes is ONE mistake and there goes your hand, arm, leg, or head!

As a member of the SES we are taught to use the chain brake everytime we move with a running chainsaw in our hands. That means if you slip, and/or fall, you shouldn't cut anything if you grip the trigger.

I would never use one of these chainsaws, and hope they are banned before they can be brought into this country.

[GrumpyDoug]

What we have to understand here, is that on our level playing field[ha ha]we seen to be fair game for every bit of **** the world wants to send us.In my trade [electrician]we see all sorts of rubbish and the buck stops with us if we connect it with out an Australian design approval no[pool lights,transformers etc].Before Christmas we had a chinese laundry steam generator to connect.This is a boiler and is required to have a certificate.No over temp control or relief valve and exposed live parts with single insulation etc etc.
We walked away but someone with less experience could have connected it.
We lower our standards all the time to let this stuff into the country.:thumbsdown:

[paulthepilot_5]

Man, It's bad enough with all the cheap Bunnings / Trade Tools Direct saws on the market. Every untrained man and his dog can afford a saw and hack away at trees (and their own limbs). At least the Bunnings and Trade tools stuff meets the Aus Standards (just) These saws on ebay are not just old prehistoric designs, but also cheap knockoffs of them. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
I sent him a message too, pointing out the non compliance to Aus Standards. He said "they are CE approved most defenitly" and tries to tell me that "famous brand saws like Stihl don't have hand guards". Had to reply and point out that this was only on 20+ year old saws prior to the Aus standards and that anything sold now has to have such safety features.

[rick130]

I'd put my money on bar oil.

Do I hear the sound of banjos plucking?

Yep, I'd reckon it's to heat the bar oil too.
On later model saws heating the bar oil is accomplished by having the oil tank in front of the crankcase and being part of the same casting and having the muffler above.

And there's definitely banjo's plucking in the hills out from here :D

[lewy]

can't see a chain catcher either

[paulthepilot_5]

can't see a chain catcher either

Or a throttle safety lock, :eek: