Algae-X magnetic fuel conditioner. Same category as HiClones?

[spudboy]

Went to the monthly meeting of the Land Rover Register of Sth Aust tonight, and they had a guest speaker extolling the virtues of a magnetic fuel conditioning system called Algae-X.

Their claims were:
- removes diesel sludge in tanks
- stops diesel bugs from growing
- breaks up large fuel molecules, so it stops filters from clogging
- better combustion
- Stops fuel from going cloudy
- longer pump/injector life
- reduced EGTs
- a few more things but I can't remember

It is a circular device with a very strong magnet in it which supposedly alters the molecular structure of fuel??? Who knows....

Is this is the same category as HiClones, or is there some proper science to say that magnetic fields can condition diesel? Sounds like snake oil talk to me, but what do I know about fuel and magnets ;)

BTW - they want $450 for the model that fits a Land Rover engine.

Tks
David

[spudboy]

Forgot to add - this is a link to their website: LG-X Series : Algae-X (http://www.algae-x.net.au/index.php'main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=3)

and this is what it looks like:
http://www.marinedirect.com.au/catalogue/category381/information/algae/Web%20Technical-Data-Drawings.jpghttp://www.marinedirect.com.au/catalogue/category381/information/algae/Before-and-After.gif

The https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ Magnetic Fuel Conditioneris installed in the fuel line between the tank and the filter. It continuously treats and conditions the fuel directly before combustion and before it returns to the tank. It optimizes fuel quality, and cleans the entire fuel system by simply running your engines. Induction is the operating principle of the https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ Magnetic Fuel Conditioners.

The principle is explained in the realm of physics and implemented here with inline magnetic fluid conditioning devices to influence electron behavior. The results are improved stability, filterability and combustibility of the fuel. This same technology can also be applied to eliminate degradation and preserve the integrity of jet fuel, light oils and hydraulic fluid.

[PAT303]

Where does it put the diesel sludge?. Pat

[superquag]

.. and it is exceeding efficacious for gout, "fievre aigue" and dyspepsia along with impotence and various unmentionable maladies...

Seriously, buy a handful of rare earth magnets from either Aussie magnets or Cool Gadgets at the Right Price - Worldwide Free Shipping - DealExtreme (http://www.dealextreme.com) and do your own trials.

Not sure whether its N or S poles, but sandwich the fuel line between two magnets of the same pole. Naturally they will want to repel each other.... The $395 is for the fancy metalwork to persuade them othewise !

Used to be associated with a company called "Z-Power" that flogged a wax-looking fuel additive for petrol and diesel. Great little earner if you were at the top of the pyramid.

Naturally, it had more effect on the drivers...than on the engines, which is the only explanation for (slightly) better fuel - usage figures.

Oddly enough, have seen similar devices over the years.... for clarifying your house water supply...

Cynical James in Gosnells.

[superquag]

... But I'm happy to be proved wrong on this.. (I'e got LOTS of rare-earth magnets lying around...) - with repeatable, properly conducted trials.

J in G

[F4Phantom]

I have one on my diesel right now, I got given it and I recently put my latest fuel stats on here for the last 8000km, the device did nothing whatsoever.

However I did see an exact 7% better fuel economy with a fitch device. I put it on and off several times and reconfirmed that it does indeed cut fuel usage by 7%.

[clubagreenie]

Will it interfere or inprove the performance of my energy polariser?

[spudboy]

Where does it put the diesel sludge?. Pat

Good point. Maybe it "recombines" the sludge back into the liquid diesel from whence it came.....

[spudboy]

Will it interfere or inprove the performance of my energy polariser?

You can't seriously still be using an Energy Polariser :confused: Everyone I know who had one, has upgraded to a Flux Capacitor.

[awabbit6]

If gadgets like these really work then vehicle manufacturers would install them as a standard part.

[clubagreenie]

I want to warp my flux cap in polarisers, then use diesel as a cooling media and run that through one o(or more) of these. Will it void my warranty?

[Bushie]

If gadgets like these really work then vehicle manufacturers would install them as a standard part.

Whilst I doubt the system does anything beneficial, I don't think the argument if it worked manufacturers would use them holds much water either. Things are built to a cost there is plenty the manufacturer could do to improve the performance/fuel economy of the existing set up but they don't because it would cost a few dollars.

For starters they could use a vacuum pump that doesn't **** itself every few months :twisted::twisted:.



Martyn

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day all ; )
I am the first to admit that I have no background in high finance or the Inner workings of the Military/ Industrial/ Automotive complex,,,,,,,BUT,,
Wouldn't the recent mandating of (historically) extreme targets for efficiency bring all of the 'suppressed' technology out of their plain brown packing crates from 'That' warehouse where 'They' hide them away?!

Would'nt it be cheaper to add these 'Marvellous, Breakthrough, ecological, etc' devices, than to research, prove then re-tool your global assembly lines for hybrid/ all- electric models??
I suppose there were back-room deals of the Illuminati to legitimise 'Research grants' from the government to the Brotherhood that head the Automotive Trans-Nationals.
end cynic/ rant.
Dave
; ))

[wardy1]

I totally agree with Bushie, why do we need to remap, reflash our ECU's to get performance already available in the engine?
I've heard that engines are tuned to the lowest common denominator, being world wide fuel quality. Don't know why, they build to different safety requirements for various countries so why not a higher tune for those countries tht have a high quality fuel available?

[F4Phantom]

Remember volvo making lean burn engines in the late 80's, it was big news in their circle but it didnt take off, because of NOX. Manufactures are not just trying to get good economy, they are trying get a compromise of everything. Economy is traded away so many times in a new car, to the point where manufactures think they will get away with it. And people would not buy a car these days without all the electrics which weigh hundreds of kilos, take them out and see an easy 1L per KM. Reduce engine size and power and see a easy 2L per 100km. People dont want 'best possible fuel economy at all costs'

I am very skeptical about fuel saving devices except for the fact that the fitch device saved me 7%. I think I will get another one for the RRC. But I have also put on magentic devices and they are a crock.

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

I wouldn't rush into buying one of those.

Wait a little while, We are pleased to announce we that are developing a small device along the lines of a minature "Hadron Collider" that will fit in between the fuel tank and the injector pump. It's not far away we are just waiting for some scientific "independent Lab tests" to back up our claims. The device should be available online at the end of this year. Mail order- early next year and available through the 4wd accessory shops later next Year. We hope to have them in retail store before christmas.

The device should be available in a simple kit form and would take a competent DYIer or handyman with basic tool knowledge about 45 -60 mins to fit this unit. The principle works on the lines of physics where fuel is pumped from your fuel pump to the device where the fuel molicules are accelorated to approx 1,00,5000 revs per minute in the device, as the molecules race through the device they are friction heated to a great temperatures, this process then allows the contaminates within the fuel to separate from the fuel molecules and atoms with in, the contaminates travel through a specialy developed waste gate where they are collected in a concentrated form. The clean fuel traveling through the unit returns to collide with this mass of concentrated contaminates.

The resulting "collision "Smashes the contaminates in to very small atoms and remix with the fuel. The fuel in it's new altered state then passes to the combustion chamber and is digested via the engines combustion. Since the contaminates are so minute they pass through the engines injectors without blockage or damage to them.

Current lab and field testing has proven a fuel efficency gain and a possible fuel saving of approx 5%.
We estimate the module after production would sell retail at approx $395 retail.

We are currently offering AULRO members a discount on advanced pre order of 20% as a group buy.

[spudboy]

What colour will they be?

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

What colour will they be?
Hi Spudboy,
they market in Anodized Titanium colour, anodising is the most cost effective way. Chrome would add too much to the cost .The original terminal pins in the circuitry were 24 carat gold plate, but the engineers have replaced them with a more effective conductor made from a special carbon. One of the fore thoughts were if we continued with the origninl concept of 24 crt gold, there was the potential threat of theft.
Thanks for asking

[mike 90 RR]

are accelerated to approx 1,00,5000 revs per minute in the device,


Do you see a future potential to develop this device and attach it to the turbo? ... Would there not be great potential for any increase in gas speeds? :)

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

Do you see a future potential to develop this device and attach it to the turbo? ... Would there not be great potential for any increase in gas speeds? :)
Mike 90 RR, we did a lot of research and the conventional turbos just wouldn't be able to cope.
Gas is different to solid matter or liquid matter, so increasing gas speeds and what we already have developed would involve the high cost of reinventing the turbo which would indeed have an impact on the price the end user would have to pay,. the unit we have developed is still in the realms of affordability for the average end users.

some reading material if your interested.


Gases are different from solids and liquids. They have no definite shape or volume.



When pressure is applied, a gas contracts and when pressure is released, the gas expands.



Gases can move in all directions and completely diffuse with other gases to form a homogenous mixture.



Gases have low densities compared to solids and liquids of equal mass.



Gases exert pressure in all directions due to the bombardment of the molecules on the sides of the container.



A molecule of a gas is the smallest unit that can exist independently.



Molecules of a gas are far apart from each other.



Molecules of a gas are in constant motion. During the random motion, molecules collide with one another.



The total kinetic energy of the gas is not affected by the collisions.



Boyles' law states that temperature remaining constant; the volume of a given mass of a dry gas is inversely proportional to its pressure.



Mathematical statement of Boyles' law is P1V1 = P2V2 = constant.



Charles' law states that pressure remaining constant, the volume of a given mass of a dry gas is directly proportional to the Absolute temperature.



Mathematical statement of Charles' law is https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/95.jpg



Absolute zero i.e., 0K or -273oC is the lowest possible temperature that can be reached. At this temperature the gas has a theoretical volume of zero.



An ideal gas is an imaginary gas that follows the gas laws and has 0 volume at 0 K i.e., the gas does not exist.



Standard temperature is 0oC or 273 K, while standard pressure is 1 atmospheric pressure (76 cm or 760 mm of mercury)



The mathematical statement of the combined gas equation is https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/96.jpg

[Hoges]

Obviously it has a lot of attraction but claims and reality are poles apart:eek::wasntme:

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

Obviously it has a lot of attraction but claims and reality are poles apart:eek::wasntme:
Not necessarily, our Research and Development section has invented a dual + Positive pole, so the is no negativity:p:p:p:p:p

[Tombie]

I am very skeptical about fuel saving devices except for the fact that the fitch device saved me 7%. I think I will get another one for the RRC.

No it didnt.. :)

Fitch was taken to task recently by Consumer affairs along with several "fuel saver" mobs. Required to put up or shut up basically...

Testing, and there have been lots.. Indicated the benefits to be SFA ;)

What was observed is the placebo effect, drivers behave slightly differently when they know its fitted.

Reality... I would always get 4-5L/100km worse than my wife driving the same vehicle. No matter how I tried, I could not match here economy in that 4wd :(

You've probably modified your driving style subconsciously (because fitting the fitch indicates a desire for improved economy) driving smoother etc..

7% is a massive improvement and highly unlikely.

Not to mention, spending hundreds to save a few over the life of the vehicle isnt logical :cool:

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

No it didnt.. :)

Fitch was taken to task recently by Consumer affairs along with several "fuel saver" mobs. Required to put up or shut up basically...

Testing, and there have been lots.. Indicated the benefits to be SFA ;)

What was observed is the placebo effect, drivers behave slightly differently when they know its fitted.

Reality... I would always get 4-5L/100km worse than my wife driving the same vehicle. No matter how I tried, I could not match here economy in that 4wd :(

You've probably modified your driving style subconsciously (because fitting the fitch indicates a desire for improved economy) driving smoother etc..

7% is a massive improvement and highly unlikely.

Not to mention, spending hundreds to save a few over the life of the vehicle isnt logical :cool:

I would love to see a real scientific test with a motor fitted on a bench in a controlled atmosphere environment with electronic acceleration so the engine is driven identically each test. with with out the device and see what the results are.

unfortunately all these claims of reduced fuel economy devices amazing become stories often on ACA and Today Tonight.
Seems these shows love making big deals out of fraud.
But amazingly they never cover stories about how they mislead people.

[one_iota]

Well it must work...just look at the before and after photos.

http://www.moviezeal.com/wp-content/uploads/biggerstrongerfaster1.jpg

[DEFENDERZOOK]

doesnt put hair on your chest.......

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Where does it put the diesel sludge?. Pat

Didn't you see the photo??? It disolves it into particles sooo small you can't see them so your fuel looks clean.
Then, being soooo small they pass right thru your filter stopping it from getting blocked hence why your filter looks clean.
THEN, all these fine particles eventually pass thru the pump and injectors etching all the crap out of them and making them spray all pretty again.
THEN, once it's finished etching all the crap out, it gives you that 50% power increase by continuing to etch the injector tips so they are nice and clear with no chance of ever blocking again!!
So really, you actually dont need fuel filters at all and if you can manage to hook one into your oil system too, it will magnetically remove all those nasty little things in your oil. Imagine it, you'll be able to do 500,000,000,000,000,000 km between oil changes too!!!!

Wow, I'm really impressed, think I might go out and buy one for every piece of equipment I have!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!


Sent from my backyard TeePee using smoke signals.

[clubagreenie]

Wow, they're that good?

I'll buy one for everyone on here!

[F4Phantom]

No it didnt.. :)

Fitch was taken to task recently by Consumer affairs along with several "fuel saver" mobs. Required to put up or shut up basically...

Testing, and there have been lots.. Indicated the benefits to be SFA ;)

What was observed is the placebo effect, drivers behave slightly differently when they know its fitted.

Reality... I would always get 4-5L/100km worse than my wife driving the same vehicle. No matter how I tried, I could not match here economy in that 4wd :(

You've probably modified your driving style subconsciously (because fitting the fitch indicates a desire for improved economy) driving smoother etc..

7% is a massive improvement and highly unlikely.

Not to mention, spending hundreds to save a few over the life of the vehicle isnt logical :cool:

The thing is, I agree all this stuff is BS, I am on your side (I get $100 each time I mention fitch, [fitchfitchfitchfitchfitchfitchfitch]) but I did actually buy one a few years ago, put in on a non LR 2.5L 4 cylinder non turbo diesel and got smack on 7%, I removed the device, and replaced it several times over several months and the 7% was consistent. I dont belive in all this new age BS, I dont know how the fitch works or why, I took a $400 punt, it worked through observable means on my fuel stats.

I would like to see a test, and how simple that test would be to set up, get two identical generators, run exactly 1L through them so you can calibrate them against each other, then just put a fitch or what ever someone claims increases milage onto it, and time 1L. In fact if anyone has two generators, they can use my fuel device which I will lend to them as long as they like.

All I can tell you is that I calculated 7% better, yes its big, and it could have been my driving style changing to make the car use less fuel. I really think I didnt change my driving style at all because I have no interest in forcing false economy on myself, I am a skeptical scientist at heart and I really wanted to know if this thing worked. I sold the car and left the fitch on, but I think I will get another one and do the testing all over on my diesel RR.

BTW they CLAIM the way it works is the thing breaks down long carbon chains in the diesel to smaller ones, making on average the diesel lighter and more volitile. Perhaps someone here can tell us IF this was to happen could it result in a fuel economy change.