D2a - replacement fluid for ACE system

[twr7cx]

Can anyone please advise as to what fluid to use in the Active Cornering Enhancement system on a 2003 Land Rover Discovery 2 (refresh)?
Also what is the best method to clear out all the old fluid and fill with new?

[simonl8353]

Penrite have brought out an ACE Fluid for the Discovery II. I bought a bottle at Autobarn for $21 a few weeks ago.

See this link http://www.aulro.com/afvb/discovery-2/118363-red-ace-light-warning-sound.html#post1383176

As for bleeding, the RAVE CD states in Section 60.60.13 to plug in "Testbook" and follow the procedure. If you do not have testbook you might consider asking a LR specialist and pay them a few $$ to get it right. It is important not to allow any crud to enter the system.

[mattg]

When I changed mine I ended up going to the dealer with a clean and dry 4ltr Bottle and they filled it up for me for $45. good deal I though. and from a Dealer, WOW.

hope this helps.

Cheers

Matt

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I've thought long about this,,
and I reckon if you disconnect the return line and place in a suitable empty container, start up, stop, top up, start up
etc . A two person job but could be done.
anyone else?

[Sully]

Yep. I reckon you're onto something there too Pedro.

Absolutely a two man job as you'd not want to ever run it dry or have air enter the system.
The other thing you'd need to take I to account is that if the return line is disconnected when the engine is switched off, then it might suck air back into the lines, so you'd need some sort of one way valve on the end of the return line.

[Urban Panzer]

I just disconnect the feed from the reservoir, let it drain into a suitable tub, then refill with fresh fluid. Run the vehicle for a few days, then repeat the process.

[twr7cx]

Penrite have brought out an ACE Fluid for the Discovery II. I bought a bottle at Autobarn for $21 a few weeks ago.

Cheers. Here is the link to the Pentrite site and I agree that it does seem to have been made specifically for the Land Rover ACE and PAS system:

PAS FLUID - Penrite Oil (http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products.php?id_products=157)

[twr7cx]

As for bleeding, the RAVE CD states in Section 60.60.13 to plug in "Testbook" and follow the procedure. If you do not have testbook you might consider asking a LR specialist and pay them a few $$ to get it right. It is important not to allow any crud to enter the system.

From what I understand Testbook is Land Rovers diagnostic system. Is this publicly available or a dealer only item?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

There are a couple of older testbooks in private hands,, but yes, Dealer software.

Not sure if any of the nanocoms will do it??

[feral]

Yes, the Nanocom will bleed the ACE.

Today :( I'm contemplating to change the Pressure Control Valve which is the rear coil on the valve block. I still have not worked out how much fluid will be released. Urban Panzer's report suggests that it will not loose much but he was replacing the pressure transducer, which is at the front of the valve block.

But back to the OP question...I would disconnect the return line and just pump through new fluid. Let it go for a week, drive around, and repeat.

It looks easier to do than the Nanocom way.

[Urban Panzer]

You dont "have" to use any specifc fluid, Dexron II or III NON synthetic PAS / Autobox fluid will be fine as well.

[garywinter]

From what I understand Testbook is Land Rovers diagnostic system. Is this publicly available or a dealer only item?

I have a "Hawkeye" diagnostic computer and it does have the facility to bleed the ACE system.

[rick130]

You dont "have" to use any specifc fluid, Dexron II or III NON synthetic PAS / Autobox fluid will be fine as well.

Why ?

The base fluids of the original Texaco PAS 14315 were a 'synthetic' type, although of which type I'm not sure.

I know of at least one person here using Transmax Z, a PAO/ester full synthetic ATF DexIII/ZF approved fluid as their ACE fluid. (and it's green :D)

FWIW Pentosin make hydraulic fluids for most of the continental makes, and older cars from VW/Audi, BMW and Volvo used Pentosin CHF 7.1 which was a mineral based fluid. Pentosin state that their later full synthetic CHF 11S (Audi, Chrysler, MB, Mini, Rolls, Porsche, Saab, Volvo) and CHF 202 (Audi, Porsche, VW, Volvo) fluids may replace the earlier fluid.

[edit] I forgot to mention that I believe Texaco Cold Climate PSF 33270 replaced their earlier CC PSF 14315. (and is listed as a replacement fluid for Texaco/Land Rover PAS/ACE CC PSF 14315)
Texaco CC 33270 is a semi-synthetic fluid like Cold Climate 14315 and also a direct replacement for Pentosin CHF 11S, and CHF 11S is a full synthetic fluid as I mentioned above.

[stig0000]

if you want it to last,, used transmax z, its only a colpe Ls so go spend the extra 10-20$ and get the Z,

[jwb]

Found this on Discoweb some time ago when looking for a method...

"I have an easier way to do it, pretty much the same way as I do my power steering.
Buy 2 qts. of power steering fluid, I use Vavolines synthetic p/s fluid and one bottle of Lucas p/s additive.
Buy one of those old battery acid bulbs, looks like a turkey baster, you can find them in any auto parts store.
Start by sucking all the old fluid out of the ACE reservor, poor in new fluis, start the engine, let it run or 30 seconds or so, turn off the engine and suck out the old fluid again. You continue that process, maybe 5 or 6 time or until the old fluid is now clear again. On the last refilling of the reservoruse only the Lucas fluid, top it off and you are done.
By doing it this way, you don't get air in either of the rams and you don't have to use a test book to reprogram the system.
By the way, do your p/s fluid at the same time with the same fluids in the same process.
Hope this helps"

[Urban Panzer]

Why ?

The base fluids of the original Texaco PAS 14315 were a 'synthetic' type, although of which type I'm not sure.

I know of at least one person here using Transmax Z, a PAO/ester full synthetic ATF DexIII/ZF approved fluid as their ACE fluid. (and it's green :D)

FWIW Pentosin make hydraulic fluids for most of the continental makes, and older cars from VW/Audi, BMW and Volvo used Pentosin CHF 7.1 which was a mineral based fluid. Pentosin state that their later full synthetic CHF 11S (Audi, Chrysler, MB, Mini, Rolls, Porsche, Saab, Volvo) and CHF 202 (Audi, Porsche, VW, Volvo) fluids may replace the earlier fluid.

[edit] I forgot to mention that I believe Texaco Cold Climate PSF 33270 replaced their earlier CC PSF 14315. (and is listed as a replacement fluid for Texaco/Land Rover PAS/ACE CC PSF 14315)
Texaco CC 33270 is a semi-synthetic fluid like Cold Climate 14315 and also a direct replacement for Pentosin CHF 11S, and CHF 11S is a full synthetic fluid as I mentioned above.

Because thats what the workshop manual says, and after a LOT of reading about fluid specs etc to find which was a compatible spec, one of them that cropped up was the CHF-11s which some users "report" made the system squeal, especially when used in the PAS, this "maybe" to do with the fact its synthetic.

People have to make their own choice at the end of the day........but if you follow the workshop manual / specs, you cant go to far wrong.

ACE fluid
Where ambient temperature falls below -20° C (-4°
F), use only Texaco cold climate power assisted
steering fluid PSF 14315. Where ambient
temperature remains above -20° C (-4° F), use either
Texaco cold climate power assisted steering fluid ,
Dexron 11 or Dexron 111 non-synthetic fluid.

[rick130]

Because thats what the workshop manual says, and after a LOT of reading about fluid specs etc to find which was a compatible spec, one of them that cropped up was the CHF-11s which some users "report" made the system squeal, especially when used in the PAS, this "maybe" to do with the fact its synthetic.

People have to make their own choice at the end of the day........but if you follow the workshop manual / specs, you cant go to far wrong.

ACE fluid
Where ambient temperature falls below -20° C (-4°
F), use only Texaco cold climate power assisted
steering fluid PSF 14315. Where ambient
temperature remains above -20° C (-4° F), use either
Texaco cold climate power assisted steering fluid ,
Dexron 11 or Dexron 111 non-synthetic fluid.

I agree that using the OE recommended fluids is important, however I can't for the life of me understand how a syn ATF DEX III can be detrimental to a system, particularly when the recommended fluid is a semi-synthetic !
I'm guessing typo, I've seen enough of them in my Land Rover manuals.

FWIW I've used a non-syn ATF Dex III in the PAS of my 'fender and it was awful (when I ran out of PAS 14315, IIRC it was Fuchs Titan ATF7000 and it was a total fluid change, not mixed)
Groan, moan, yuk.
Changed it to Transmax Z and it's almost exactly the same as PAS 14315 in feel, no squeal, no moan and copes with heat much better (too many viscosity index improver's in 14315 to get its high VI)

Groan, moan and squeal are common when ATF's are used in PAS systems as they don't have the specific friction modifiers to address those problems. (it doesn't exist in a transmission)
Specific PAS/hydraulic fluids do.

I can't answer why CHF 11S created a system squeal, it's the recommended fluid in a lot of PAS systems and recommended by Pentosin for use in all Land Rovers. (although no LR approval)
I'd suggest the system wasn't bled properly, but who knows ?


IMO, if one is doing a lot of hard off road a syntheic fluid is pretty important as the PAS fluid can cop an absolute caning, to the point of boiling, particularly as no Land Rover I know of has a PAS cooler (as, say Nissan Patrols do)

[Bundalene]

The problem with using different fluids other than recommended is that you may be mixing different products, not a good thing. Draining the reservoir and refilling doesn't work

I recently had the power steering box out of our Puma which meant that the oil was drained from the pump lines and the reservoir. When refilling the system took under 1 litre. By Land Rover specs the system holds 3.4 litres for the RHD vehicle.

One way to bleed the system:

1 Drain the reservoir
2 Remove the return line and put into a container
3 Block the return line port on the reservoir
4 Fill the reservoir with the new fluid
5 Run the engine, turn from lock to lock, making sure the reservoir doesn't run dry
6 Repeat this until you have removed about 4 litres of fluid.
7 Replace the return line.


Having said that, if you go to the Dealer Spare parts counter and buy a 1 litre bottle of cold climate PAS it will set you back $63.

Erich

[Urban Panzer]

I can see both sides, all I posted was what was in the manual........and I def dont think its a typo tbh because its only listed as an alternative in the NAS manual, not the UK / European one because the yanks dont put up with the crap we have to etc.

I think what ever you use, if it works for you then thats great, but we all have to be careful what we post as alternatives for stuff unless we can provide hard and fast facts which unfortunately it seems pretty hard to establish ref the Texaco fluid and alternatives.

Interesting what you say ref the PAS fluid as the Disco 1 used ATF from day zero, and its common practice "over here" to use it in the PAS on the D2 as well, infact most of the recon steering boxes state ATF as a recommend fluid to use.

I think all we can def say is that whatever fluid you can use in the PAS can be used in the ACE and vice versa.

[RFollia]

Sorry to put up an old thread, as I've serached and reserached, but would like to find any alternatives (if available) to the dreaded Texaco 14315 or 33270 as in southern Europe (Spain)
-Transmax Z is discontinued, replaced by rebadged TQDIII and sold as TRansmax DIII multivehicle, dyed red.
Transmax Dex III Multivehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid (http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-746-castrol-transmax-dex-iii-multivehicle-formerly-castrol-tq-diii-atf.aspx)
viscosity is similar but density is not

-Penrite PAS Fluid 001 no one seems to know or where to find it. There are Penrite distributors but seem I'm talking in chinese when I ask for the 001.

So I had some investigation done and found some other possibly suitable fluids, as my dealer is a little far away to go back and forth searching the liquid unobtanium-rebadged Texaco fluid

According to Penrite's and Texaco's TDS specs are the following ones:
Density, 15Deg C, kg/lASTM D1298 0.862
Flash Point COC, Deg C ISO 2593 215
Pour Point, Deg C ISO 3016 -51
Aniline Point, Deg C ISO 2977 91
Visc, Kinematic, 40Deg C, mm2/s ISO 3104 25.6
Visc, Kinematic, 100Deg C, mm2/s ISO 3104 6.4
Visc, Brookfield, -30Deg C, mPa.s ASTM D2983 1300
Visc, Brookfield, -40Deg C, mPa.s ASTM D2983 4500
Viscosity Index ISO 2909 196

Approval
Texaco: General Motors: GM 9985835, ZF: TE-ML 09B, Landrover: All vehicles, for Power Steering and Active Cornering Enhancement (ACE) systems, Chrysler: MS 5931, Saab

Penrite's PAS 001: Chrysler MS-9462, Mercedes MB 236.3, Mercedes MB 341 PAS 14315, Esso EZL 998 (Jaguar S), Opel 90 513486 Ford M2C 128C/D AM4124, VW TL-VW-570-26,Ford M2C195A (Power steering only)

ALTERNATIVES:
I found other seller or manufacturer, Ravenol who markets:
-Servolenkung PSF-1, which in theory meets 14315 standard,
Honda PSF-S , Hyundai PSF-3, KIA PSF-III, Land Rover Cold Climate PAS Fluid 14315 LRN2261 , Mazda PSF, Subaru PS Fluid, TOYOTA PSF-EH
but does NOT meet any of the standards Penrite's PSF or real 14315 do.
Moreover, the technical data sheet does NOT list it as 14315 compatible
http://www.ravenol-shop.de/WebRoot/Store5/Shops/61107442/49FB/2148/0E05/F536/E262/C0A8/28BB/342A/tds_181000_PSF_Fluid.pdf

viscosity data are different:
Color red
Density (at 15°C) g/ml 0.863 DIN 51757
Viscosity (at -40°C) mPa.s 1400 DIN 51377
Viscosity (at 40°C) mm2/s 34 DIN 51562
Viscosity (at 100°C) mm2/s 7.5 DIN 51562
VI 212 DIN ISO 2909
Flash point (COC) °C 190 DIN ISO 2592
Pour °C -51 DIN ISO 3016

There is another fluid, more similar in colour, not listed as a replacement to the 14315's, but which complies with Chrysler's, Saabs and GM's Specd that Penrite's PAS meet, so I guess it could be a 14315 replacement
-Ravenol PSF-Y fluid
Specs met:
VW G 009300A2
Mercedes A0009898803
Chrysler 05098158A
Chrysler MS-5931
Chrysler MS-9933
Chrysler 04883077
GM 9985010
GM 89020661
GM 1050017
Texaco TL 4634
HONDA 08206-9002
HONDA 08285-P99-01Z-T1

It's full synthetic (and don't know if Texaco's is semi or full). And viscosity is not a par with texaco's 14315
http://www.ravenol-shop.de/WebRoot/Store5/Shops/61107442/4E5A/5BEF/6F1F/49EC/CD6F/C0A8/28BE/A9AB/tds_211123_PSF-Y_Fluid.pdf
color: brown
Density 20°C g/ml 0,847 DIN 51 757
Viscosity at 40°C mm²/s 34,5 DIN 51 562
viscosity at 100°C mm²/s 7,5 DIN 51 562
Flash point(COC) °C 200 DIN ISO 2592
Pour point °C -51 DIN ISO 3016

The Pentosin CHF-11S is a very good fluid, but perhaps too thin for the PAS/ACE system, many people in discoweb have complained from a noisy system after the changeover, so they reverted to cheapo ATF mineral oil.

There's another candidate, from RAvenol as well, but don't seem it is suitable
-Ravenol SSF fluid
seems to be Pentosin's CHF11S replacement, full sythetic and very thin,
seems to meet only VW's approval
VW TL 521 46 (Nr. G 002 000)

Parameter Unit of measure Data Test method
Color lite green
Density (at 15°C) g/ml 0.827 DIN 51757
Viscosity (at -40°C) mPa.s 1000 DIN 51377
Viscosity (at 40°C) mm2/s 20.2 DIN 51562
Viscosity (at 100°C) mm2/s 6.6 DIN 51562
Flash point (COC) °C 150 DIN ISO 2592
Pour point °C -60 DIN ISO 3016

data sheet here:
http://www.ravenol-shop.de/WebRoot/Store5/Shops/61107442/44D0/FC92/7A7E/AFC4/2B50/C0A8/3094/1EDF/tds_1351_SSF_Special_Servolenkung_Fluid.pdf

Last but not least, there seems to be a regular PAS fluid, made by Fuchs, PSF FLuid, conforms to MB 236.3 (Penrite also meets it), which is plain Dexron IID with special additives for PAS systems
ISO 32
Density 15°C (g/ml) 0,868
Viscosity (100°C,mm²/s) 7,0
Viscosity (40°C,mm²/s) 33,5
Viscosity (VI) 165
Pour point °C - 42
Flash point °C 190
If the Penrite PAS1 meets 236.3 then that PSF could be used in the ACE and PAS as well. It's non synthetic and DexronII-D, and according to RAVE it could be used as well.

I can get hold of all ravenol types and the Fuchs PSF.
The Texaco, of course from the dealer
And the Penrite, i've got to find an online shop who do international shipping, and would be much more expensive than the dealer product.
Am I being paranoid about it? I just would like to renew my fluid before it becomes putrid (it's 3 years old).

Would you try Ravenol's PSF, the PSF-Y fluid (fully synthetic but a bit thicker) or the Fuchs PSF MB236.3=
Thank you for your help and happy wednesday to everyone
And sorry for such a long post
Robert

[rick130]

That Castrol fluid you've linked to isn't a Transmax Z replacement, it's a good old Dex III mineral oil.

Transmax Z should still be available in Europe but probably only from truck parts suppliers as it was used in large ZF auto's.
I think some BMW cars specified it too.

Just had a look and Transmax Z is still listed on Castrol European sites for heavy transport use, it has MAN, ZF and MB approvals but I'm guessing is probably only available in 20l drums ?

A substitute may be something like this http://www.fuchsoil.co.za/Products/TDS/Fuchs%20-%20Titan%20ZH%204300%20B%20%28MAN%20M%203289%29%5B Hydr%20&%20Power%20Steering%5D%20-%2025Feb10%20%5BFES%5D.pdf but I think this is more like a CFH-11S replacement fluid with an ultra high viscosity index, so it may or may not work.

Otherwise, splurge out on the right stuff, Texaco Cold Climate 33270

[twr7cx]

I have been using the Penrite fluid for almost a year now and it has been happy. Was easy enough to source through Repco.

[RFollia]

Hi Rick,
Your were right. That Fuchs stuff is nearly the same as the CHF-11S
thank you so much for your suggestion and for the link.
Don't know why we have to go to South Africa to get that product data sheets and why they can't be obtained from the Fuchs central website.

I've emailed both Fuchs and Ravenol and am waiting for the answer.

As the change of fluid would require a total flush and drain of the system (which is highly unlikely to happen as the rams are nearly impossible to drain and flush) I might better stick with higlhy expensive Texaco or the Penrite.

I've called Penrite's distributor and did not know what I was talking about......
Best regards and thank you
Robert

[simonl8353]

....

-Penrite PAS Fluid 001 no one seems to know or where to find it. There are Penrite distributors but seem I'm talking in chinese when I ask for the 001.......


Ask for Penrite PAS 107. Hopefully that will get you what you need (see link in earlier post). Otherwise just use the LR stuff from the dealer. You don't need much for a top up or a bleed and your problem is solved for a few Euros.

[rick130]

I have been using the Penrite fluid for almost a year now and it has been happy. Was easy enough to source through Repco.

Not too many Repco stores in Spain I'd think ;)

[twr7cx]

Not too many Repco stores in Spain I'd think ;)

Ah, here I was thinking AULRO was the Australian Land Rover Owners, not SLRO...

My post above was just an update for anyone interested, since I hadn't mentioned it since I started this thread...

[rick130]

Ah, here I was thinking AULRO was the Australian Land Rover Owners, not SLRO...

My post above was just an update for anyone interested, since I hadn't mentioned it since I started this thread...


and I thought your post was a response to RFollia's post as he'd mentioned the trouble he'd had with his Penrite importer ;)

[RFollia]

Sorry to pull up this old post.
I continued researching and that's what I found
1.- The OEM Texaco 14315 or 33270, made both from Unobtanium, is (or was) available 66% cheaper thorugh DAF truck dealers as Cold Climate PAS fluid, which complied with LR's 14315-33270. Seems it was available in 20-litre drums but... now seems only in 100-litre ones.

2.- Transmax Z from CAstrol, recommended by many of you. Problem is specs are different Oz-wise from Europe ones.
OZ-specs transmax Z:
http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_australia/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/a/AU_Castrol_Transmax_Z.pdf

In Spain there are 3 kinds of Transmax, (Dual, Multi vehicle and Z). I have downloaded the PDS and datas are not the same as the oz- version.
I will be phoning texaco Spain to find alternatives.

3.- Penrite's PSF is more expensive than the STC50519 stuff, in Spain.
Best regards from Spain
Robert

[RFollia]

So, more news, after a lot browsing:
After having called FEBI (Ferdinand Bilstein, Germans, who have a very good oil range) and being told they don't stock that one (ahh the joys of 33270)

-I contacted TExaco baltic, where the oil is being manufactured and stocked, Got access to PDS, and guess what, it's almost the same as Texaco Texamatic 7045E (only a little bit viscosity for ambient temperatures we will never experience in continental Europe).
So there goes the PDS:

http://www.sjk.com.my/specifications/Texamatic_7045E.pdf
Color Red
Pour Point, °C -51
Viscosity, Brookfield
mPa.s @ -40°C 17500
Viscosity, Kinematic
mm²/s @ 40°C 33.8
mm²/s @ 100°C 7.4
Viscosity Index 194

Performance standards
Allison C-4 fluid (Approval No. C4-30353901)
• General Motors GM6417M
(obsolete DEXRON®-IIIG)
• MAN Standard 339 Type F
• Voith 55.6335 (DIWA and Midimat)
• ZF TE-ML 02F, 04D, 17C
• ZF Lenksysteme TE-ML 09A, 09B.

The most important is being TE-ML 09B compliant, which is for steering racks.
Even the TExaco oil chooser states the TExamatic 7045E as direct use fluid for PAS and stability control in the D2, D3 and RRS.
Texaco (http://www.olyslager-lubricants.nl/Texaco/Result.aspx'sLang=1&TypeID=077f177564ff2e85)


Besides, the original stuff is readily available in Latvia, but it's a little too far away.
There is another fluid which complies with all those performance level,
Wolf oil central hydraulic fluid, the Titan ZH4300
http://www.wolfoil.com/update/documenten/engels/tf/miscellaneous/neutraal/5078ne.pdf

Complies with the TE-ML09B, the Chrysler MS-5931, the GM wide temperature range (9985835) , but it's the data sheet which does not convince me, it's too thin for my liking, thinner than the texaco OEM stuff

Best regards
Robert

[RFollia]

Soo, after more investigation I have found another suitable oils:

1.- For these ones lucky enough to live in the USA, Canada or Honduras (where it's sold) it's the Castrol GT power steering fluid
that meets spec by spec the Texaco original's specs in terms of viscosity
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9012216&contentId=7024046

This is NOT available in Europe or anywhere outside CAnada, USA and Honduras
There are the specs
http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_usa/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/p,q/pds_GTPowerSteering.pdf
Viscosity@ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 32
Viscosity@ 100°C, cSt ASTM D-445 7.5
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 214
Color, Typical ASTM D-1500 7.0
Appearance Clear, straw-colored
Brookfield Viscosity @ -40 C, max, cP ASTM D-2983 20,000
Flash Point, COC, min °F (°C) ASTM D-92 350 (177)
Specific Gravity, 60°F ASTM D-1298 0.85
Pounds per Gallon 7.14

Exceeds performance requirements of GM9985010 (Part No. 1050017 and 1052884), Chrysler MS-5931 (Hydro boost
systems), Saab (Part No. 45-30 09-800) and Volkswagen TL-VW-570-26 (Part No. ZVW 239-902). Suitable for use in
applications where DEXRON, DEXRON-II, DEXRON-IID, DEXRON-III or MERCON is required.

Does not seem to meet gm 9985835 (GM wide temperature spec) but meets all the other ones of the OEM texaco
It does not state if it's mineral, semi synth or synthetic 100%, but would be a good alternative

2.- I have found another oil, suitable for nearly everything, available both in red and in clear /brown.
The divinol ATF-C premium VI. I had never, to be honest, found a PAS oil meeting so many specs. To the Chrysler MS5931, The GM 9985010 (Saginaw racks), Saab, ZF TE-ML-09, meets even the GM 9985835 (wide temperature pefromance, equivalent to part #12345867), so I guess it's the same stuff and compatible.

http://www.zeller-gmelin.de/medias/s...I-EN-51800.pdf

Density/15°C / DIN 51 757: 848 kg/m³
Colour / DIN ISO 2049: Clear
Flash point (Cleveland) / DIN ISO 2592: 208 °C
Pour point / DIN ISO 3016: <-35°C
Viscosity/100°C / DIN 51 562: 7.5 mm²/s
Viscosity/40°C / DIN 51 562: 36.7 mm²/s
Viscosity index / DIN ISO 2909: 181

Recommended as servo oil for following cars:
Acura P/N 08206-9002 A; Chrysler MS-1872, MS-5931, P/N 04883077, MS-9602, ATF+4; Ford M2C 195-A; GM
P/N 89021184, GM 9985010; P/N 1052884; GM 9985835; P/N12345866; Honda P/N 08206-9002 A; Hyundai PSF-
3; Kia PSF-3; Mercedes-Benz 236.3, P/N 000 989 88 03; Mitsubishi PS Fluid, Diamond SP III; Nissan PSF-II; Saab
P/N (45) 30 09 800; Subaru P/N K 0209 A 0080; Toyota PSF Type EH, P/N 008886-01

Even suits a lot of other cars, but it's slightly more viscous than the OEM stuff, and the CHF11s is much thinner, so maybe there comes the ACE pump noise.
.
Might use it as guinea pig, have to find distributor as well....In amazon Germany it's about 7,99 euros/quart, so very good price.
IT's available dyed in red without the "C" (for clear) in the name.

To sum up
1.- OEM crap or the DAF rebranded stuff
2.- Texamatic 7045E (Recommended by Texaco). Unavailable currently in Spain as texaco withdrew and sold licenses and assets to Cepsa. To be reintroduced shortly
3.- The Ravenol PSF (rebranded Texaco Texamatic)
4.- Divinol or Castrol GT power Steering fluid
5.- FEbi yellow PAS fluid (meets chrysler, Saab, GM 9985010 specs and ZF TE ML-09)
6.- Ravenol PSF-Y fluid (meets the same specs but fullly synth)
7.- CHF 11s maybe with some additive to thicken it a little bit.

Cheers from the other side of the pond
Robert

[RFollia]

Sooo,
some more updates.
Got access to the MSDS of both the Texamatic and the magic yadayada 14315-33270 cold climate power steering fluid blah blah blah (a little far away, had to search them in Serbia)

Cold CLimate 14315-33270
COMPONENTS EC NUMBER SYMBOL / RISK PHRASES AMOUNT
Highly refined mineral oil (C15 - C50) * None 60 - 100 %weight
Methacrylate copolymer Confidential Xi/R36 1 - 5 %weight
*Contains one or more of the following EINECS numbers: 265-090-8, 265-091-3, 265-096-0, 265-097-6,
265-098-1, 265-101-6, 265-155-0, 265-156-6, 265-157-1, 265-158-7, 265-159-2, 265-160-8, 265-161-3,
265-166-0, 265-169-7, 265-176-5, 276-735-8, 276-736-3, 276-737-9, 276-738-4, 278-012-2. The full text of
all R-phrases is shown in Section 16.

There is the MSDS pdf (I would be very grateful if somebody could just post the document (I don't know how to) as if there is excessive bandwith, the link will go dead in no time
http://www.prista-oil.rs/dokumenti/Texaco/Cold%20Climate%20Power%20Steering%20Fluid/cold-climate-power-steering-fluid_msds.pdf

TEXAMATIC 7045E

COMPONENTS ECNUMBER SYMBOL / RISK PHRASES AMOUNT
Highly refined mineral oil (C15 -C50) * None 70-99 %weight
Methacrylate copolymer Confidential Xi/R36 1 - 5 %weight
*Contains one or more of the following EINECS numbers: 265-090-8, 265-091-3, 265-096-0, 265-097-6,
265-098-1, 265-101-6, 265-155-0, 265-156-6, 265-157-1, 265-158-7, 265-159-2, 265-160-8, 265-161-3,
265-166-0, 265-169-7, 265-176-5, 276-735-8, 276-736-3, 276-737-9, 276-738-4, 278-012-2. The full text of
all R-phrases is shown in Section 16.

There is the MSDS pdf (I would be very grateful if somebody could just post the document (I don't know how to) as if there is excessive bandwith, the link will go dead in no time
http://www.prista-oil.rs/dokumenti/Texaco/Texamatic%207045E/texamatic_7045e_msds.pdf

So, what is the conclusion?
both have the same composition, albeit in a different proportion, I suppose to aid in really really cold temps (under -20º celsius ambient temperature). As we will never, ever experience those in Spain, I will go to the Texamatic way, in both the ACE and PAS. Not using plain D-II or DexIII fluid, but the same as the supadupasecret unobtanium-made 14315, with a different colour, in a different can, and at 1/3 price.

Happy Wednesday to everyone
Robert