Classic Donut

[Richard93Vogue]

Can someone tell me, is it possible/leagal/practical to fit a donut tank mounted vertically in the spare tyre section of a Classic Rangie?
I was just looking at the capacities of various tanks and most of the APA donut tanks have a 60L gas capacity, 1 litre more than the triple manifold floor mounted tanks but without the loss of space (relocating the spare to the bumper).
Has anyone done it or got photos of one done?

Thanks,
Richard.

[bee utey]

Can someone tell me, is it possible/leagal/practical to fit a donut tank mounted vertically in the spare tyre section of a Classic Rangie?
I was just looking at the capacities of various tanks and most of the APA donut tanks have a 60L gas capacity, 1 litre more than the triple manifold floor mounted tanks but without the loss of space (relocating the spare to the bumper).
Has anyone done it or got photos of one done?

Thanks,
Richard.
You have to get a specific donut tank built to be mounted vertically. This is one way of converting Territory wagons. I bought one off ebay recently, it sat there for weeks until I got it for $200. I had to wangle a way of getting it home from Wodonga though. I see no reason that you couldn't mount it in or opposite the tyre spot. Capacity of this one is 65 litres LPG.

Maybe you should talk to a local Ford wreckers or two, they might have something for you.

[LBudgie]

could you run the donut tank inside as well as the scuba tanks underneith to give a bit more range?:)
am considering converting to pure gas but would like some decent range between fills.
Thanks
Paul

[bee utey]

could you run the donut tank inside as well as the scuba tanks underneith to give a bit more range?:)
am considering converting to pure gas but would like some decent range between fills.
Thanks
Paul
No probs, I would add a second filler, and wire the tank solenoids to give two user selectable supplies, one per filler. I'm waiting for a RRC to turn up to see how the upright donut fits.

[Richard93Vogue]

Thanks for the info on the Territory donut! I'll hunt around and see what I can find, didn't know about that one before.
I could mount one on the opposite side to the spare only the 93 has a set of subs there, that occasionally work. But what the heck...if I want to really rocka and roll I have plenty of V8 rumble to accompany me! Who knows, I might get lucky and find 2 vertical donuts and have 120l gas and all the petrol and space too...

[Richard93Vogue]

I'm waiting for a RRC to turn up to see how the upright donut fits.

I've been searching high and low for a vertical donut tank since you told me about them and all I've managed to find is the one from the Ford Territory on an ebay completed listing page that is probably the one you bought bee utey!

I'd be glad to have my RRC be the one that you fit it to if only the distance were not so great...never mind. (but if you get sick of it sitting in your shop in the next little while let me know;))

[bee utey]

I've been searching high and low for a vertical donut tank since you told me about them and all I've managed to find is the one from the Ford Territory on an ebay completed listing page that is probably the one you bought bee utey!

I'd be glad to have my RRC be the one that you fit it to if only the distance were not so great...never mind. (but if you get sick of it sitting in your shop in the next little while let me know;))
I'll make a couple of phone calls on Monday and see what I can find.

[LBudgie]

do you think the donut tank would fit into d1?

[bee utey]

do you think the donut tank would fit into d1?
I doubt the vertical donut would go in a D1, RRC has a longer load space. Size is 680 diameter, 270 wide. Trade price of this donut with a universal bracket is around $1000. It should be available through any LPG wholesaler.

[bee utey]

Here's the donut in my mate's RRC, brackets not fitted:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=34413&stc=1&d=1300945503

[mike 90 RR]

Cheers for that Bee utey

That donut is an absolute pearl'er ... I've got 1 ride that's got a mongrel 80 odd Ltr tank between the wheel arches ... I'm removing it all, as the Tank chews up all the load space & the gas mixer is a horror / killed the torque n power.

Been thinking sequential and donut for it's future replacement ...

[Richard93Vogue]

Yep,
that is an awesome looking setup and is exactly what I want to do with my car. I got a quote from Blue LPG for an Icom 680 x 270 65lt usable LPG vertical donut tank for a bit less than 1K. I am told (by the LPG warehouse) that Icom is the only brand of tank available in Australia in this configuration, is that one in your mates car an Icom bee utey?

I've still had no luck finding a second hand one of these but I'll keep looking as the Injection kit from Marrelli hasn't turned up yet.

Richard.

[bee utey]

Yep that's the Icom tank.
A local Ford wrecker says he does get them but every one sells quickly. He gets $250 for them, :eek::eek::eek: I wonder why they sell quickly. Anyway he's Athol Park Auto Wreckers, (08) 8341 1122. He didn't want to reserve one for me.:(

[Richard93Vogue]

Well I have my new donut tank and injection system and am doing a little of the work myself (on arrangement). I am going to manufacture a tank bracket myself but am wondering about what anchor points to use in the back of the classic as this will influence the design of said bracket.

Beeutey, perhaps you have fitted the vertical donut to your mates classic by now??? Can you give me a heads up on what my bracket will need to be compliant? The tank I have is an identical icom with the 3 tapped 'holes' on each side.

I was thinking of a small cradle for tank to sit in with a 50x5mm strap around the circumfrence but that's where my design comes to a halt without some help. Does it need to be braced across to the wall of the car, and the cradle-do the bolts have to be placed anywhere in particular?

Thanks in advance to those more knowledgable than I!:):)

Oh and I have ordered a pair of O2 sensors from Island 4x4 for the retro fit and also sourced a North American spec fault code reader on US ebay.

[bee utey]

Can you give me a heads up on what my bracket will need to be compliant? The tank I have is an identical icom with the 3 tapped 'holes' on each side.

The bracket that came with mine is basically a set of straight pieces of 50 x 6 flat steel. The horizontal parts bolt to the floor as required. The tank is held to the bracket by 4 vertical 50 x 6 pieces attatched to the 4 bolt holes closest to the floor, ie the ones front and rear when placed correctly. For fore-aft bracing one bracket from the closest (rear) bolt hole goes to the wheel arch. You could brace back to the floor part of the bracket with a diagonal piece or two. Imagine two capital letter "M" shaped brackets either side of the tank. No strap around the tank is needed as the 4 bolt holes are all that is legally needed to restrain the tank, ie AS1425 says 4 bolts minimum are required to anchor a tank.

Make sure all fasteners are M10 8.8 grade or better. The load spreading plates under the floor should be at least 75mm square with rounded corners. I use 3mm thick galv plates direct from my wholesaler and cut/shape to fit. Don't use sharp edged 6mm plates as they will can-opener the floor under severe load.

[Richard93Vogue]

Thanks beeutey,

Your knowledge and willingness to share are both very much appreciated.

Regards,
Richard.

[PhilipA]

Oh and I have ordered a pair of O2 sensors from Island 4x4 for the retro fit and also sourced a North American spec fault code reader on US ebay.
Richard , just checking that you are aware that 14CUX uses Titania sensors but nearly all LPG systems use Zirconia sensors.
So the sensors will work with a 14CUX but not stand alone with gas AFAIK. Maybe there is a selection in the software but I doubt it seeing Titania are so unusual.
They will of course give the correct injector signals to the petrol/fuel injectors if the gas is slaved off the 14CUX.
Regards Philip A

[Richard93Vogue]

just checking that you are aware...


Crikey...anytime anyone says that to me I feel like I've lost a hundred dollars...but then I keep reading and find out that I haven't...phew!
Yes the LPG system that I have, the Marellii one from ebay UK is set up as a slave to the petrol ecu, AFAIK, so should be ok.

Thanks for the concern Philip A, much appreciated.

Richard.