buy me this and I will give you a free slab

[F4Phantom]

Liberty Electric Cars | The E-Range (http://www.liberty-ecars.com/home/e-range)

[Homestar]

Yeah, nice. I like the idea of electric cars, but until they can offer equivilent milage I don't think they will take off. 200 miles is good, but the diesel version of this will get nearly 3 times this....

200 miles wouldn't get you to and from my favorite playground and through the bush for a day, but I would like to know what it is like off road. If the electronics are all sorted, it could be very good...:)

[F4Phantom]

yeah your right, but I dont see an electric car for that.

Electric cars dont need much maintenance and dont need engines warmed etc, so if you have an electric car with say a 100km range, you get in first thing in the morning, thrash it to work, thrash it home, dont warm the engine, on a saturday all the small run around start stop trips, basicly soak up all the local work with your electric car and leave the combustion powered vehicle for the big stuff.

Cheap way to do business.

[land864]

That is all well and good.

But , lets expand on the theme a bit.

Electric = recharge required

Recharge required = grid electricity

Grid electricity = power station

Power station = either Brown Coal or nuclear :eek:

Plus

elelctric = batteries

batteries = lead or lithium

lead or lithium = mining

mining = huge transport of some sort to manufacture place for batteries

batteries to vehicle manufacture place = more transport

wait 10 years and replace batteries?

I am happy to be proven wrong :)

Has anyone actually done a 10 year life cycle total CO2 output calculation
all the way from raw materials to final motor build and then 10 years of operation

I am pretty sure in my business of heating and cooling that Nat Gas makes about 1/15th the CO2 than the same heat output in electricity.

Again please prove me wrong or advise of an objective calculation someone has done

When I mention to my ecologically minded friends that a Prius is actually worse for the environment than say a Diesel D4 Disco I have to admit that the data I used was formulated by the US SUV market at one time.

[F4Phantom]

That is all well and good.

But , lets expand on the theme a bit.

Electric = recharge required

Recharge required = grid electricity

Grid electricity = power station

Power station = either Brown Coal or nuclear :eek:

Plus

elelctric = batteries

batteries = lead or lithium

lead or lithium = mining

mining = huge transport of some sort to manufacture place for batteries

batteries to vehicle manufacture place = more transport

wait 10 years and replace batteries?

I am happy to be proven wrong :)

Has anyone actually done a 10 year life cycle total CO2 output calculation
all the way from raw materials to final motor build and then 10 years of operation

I am pretty sure in my business of heating and cooling that Nat Gas makes about 1/15th the CO2 than the same heat output in electricity.

Again please prove me wrong or advise of an objective calculation someone has done

When I mention to my ecologically minded friends that a Prius is actually worse for the environment than say a Diesel D4 Disco I have to admit that the data I used was formulated by the US SUV market at one time.


an electric power station dedicated to producing electricity is far far more efficient that 15 million little power stations running mostly inefficiently on the roads at low temperatures getting only 10% of the fuel burned to the road. As we know making heat is very effieient and generating power from that heat is not to bad, electric motors are also efficient.

Batteries made from metal are fine, metal is 100% recyclable. I am sure the environment suffers in the production of batteries but I am also sure that current battery technology will get better, and just wait till we can store electricity in carbon nano tube batteries, 2000 or 3000 km per charge will sound pretty good to buyers.

[Homestar]

Like F4Phantom, I like the idea of electric vehicles for what they can do, not how 'green' they are - lets face it, I drive a 25 year old V8 carby engined tank that I tear the bush up with on weekends - green isn't a word that springs to mind here...:D

I like that you get 100% of the available torque right from the start, at any speed, great to get off the mark with. The setup as they explain here, is 1 motor per wheel, so with only a couple of switches, or some clever electronics, you instantly get the equivilent of a fully locked front, back and centre diff - true 4wd, and all the torque you could ever need at any speed. I would like to see its abilities off road.

That's what i'm liking about this, I would just like a couple hundred km extra between charges.

[F4Phantom]

Like F4Phantom, I like the idea of electric vehicles for what they can do, not how 'green' they are - lets face it, I drive a 25 year old V8 carby engined tank that I tear the bush up with on weekends - green isn't a word that springs to mind here...:D

I like that you get 100% of the available torque right from the start, at any speed, great to get off the mark with. The setup as they explain here, is 1 motor per wheel, so with only a couple of switches, or some clever electronics, you instantly get the equivilent of a fully locked front, back and centre diff - true 4wd, and all the torque you could ever need at any speed. I would like to see its abilities off road.

That's what i'm liking about this, I would just like a couple hundred km extra between charges.

yeah you should see what audi are doing. I used to race an electric motor bike and we used to reprogram the speed controller between races on a laptop, when you cut out the mechanical transmission and have wires to each wheel with software running the show the world is your oyester in the capability, you dont need diff locks, the software does whatever you need it to, really its the ultimate 4x4.

check this for an electric LR
YouTube - LR Challenge part 1