Year of manufacture???

[Mustlust]

Hi there,
I have read up on the difficulties of establishing the year of manuf. for the S2A, but as my ID plate on the shelf on the passenger side has been worn clean, all I have is the VIN and serial numbers.
Can anyone help as I would love to learn a bit more about my old girl??
VIN 25320030*
Body No. 14564
Ser No. 10914564.
I have assumed that the 109 tray back was a CKD, and the build year was '64... Is this correct?

Thanks.

[JDNSW]

Being a bit pedantic, VIN did not exist during Series 2a production, but the number you have given is missing a suffix letter, which is the bit that will give the date of manufacture (well, approximately, anyway) but otherwise looks like a 2a chassis number. See Clifton Scientific Text Services, the Netherlands (http://www.clifton.nl/) when you have the suffix letter.

John

[Mustlust]

Thanks John,
The letter is C, which meams that in probability by the time it got to Australia and was put together with the 'BHP' stamped tray, it was probably sold in '67. I am happy to live with a 1967 ute.
The funny thing is, that both myself and my mustang are of the same year of manufacture, so now I have the trifecta.

Cheers,

Phillip

[praxis]

Hi All,
I have another connundrum for you.
What year and model should I say my 88" is?
Simple question? Maybe but she has been built up from seven different wrecks over the last two years or so.
Chassis & guards are Series III
Firewall is Series II
Doors, engine & gearbox are Series IIA.

It's more than just curiosity as I will have to make some sort of decision when it comes to registration, and then there is the question of emission control if it is a SIII and the problem of seat belts (engineer's cert) if it is a 1960 SII or SIIA

What is the legal status, and which way do you reccommend I go.
Dave:eek:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi there,
I have read up on the difficulties of establishing the year of manuf. for the S2A, but as my ID plate on the shelf on the passenger side has been worn clean, all I have is the VIN and serial numbers.
Can anyone help as I would love to learn a bit more about my old girl??
VIN 25320030*
Body No. 14564
Ser No. 10914564.
I have assumed that the 109 tray back was a CKD, and the build year was '64... Is this correct?

Thanks.25320030 C was a cab chassis fitted with a table top body, delivered to Woodward Pinkis a NSW dealer on 15/03/1967

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi All,
I have another connundrum for you.
What year and model should I say my 88" is?
Simple question? Maybe but she has been built up from seven different wrecks over the last two years or so.
Chassis & guards are Series III
Firewall is Series II
Doors, engine & gearbox are Series IIA.

It's more than just curiosity as I will have to make some sort of decision when it comes to registration, and then there is the question of emission control if it is a SIII and the problem of seat belts (engineer's cert) if it is a 1960 SII or SIIA

What is the legal status, and which way do you reccommend I go.
Dave:eek:If it has an SIII chassis then it is a SIII and the rest of the body should comply.

How do you tell a SII firewall from a pre-1967 SIIa? :confused:

The seat belt anchorages for a SIII are the same fittings used on the late SIIa models.

The gearbox from the SIIa (D and later suffix) are stronfer than the SIII type and make no difference to the ADR compliance.

[The ho har's]

25320030 C was a cab chassis fitted with a table top body, delivered to Woodward Pinkis a NSW dealer on 15/03/1967

Diana you take all the fun out of the detective stuff don't you:mad::D;)

Mrs hh:angel:

[praxis]

Thanks for that, Diana.
Was there any polution crap on the SIIIs that has to go on for rego?

BTW is there any way to pick the diff between a SII & early IIA firewall?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks for that, Diana.
Was there any polution crap on the SIIIs that has to go on for rego?

BTW is there any way to pick the diff between a SII & early IIA firewall?Some of the SIII had air pumps to dilute the exhaust and the I seem to remember that they re-breathed their crankcase fumes and the fuel tank was non vented. Other than that not much. Most people doing the rego stuff won't pick that on a 30+ year old vehicle, but may on the dash or windscreen mountings and the later SIII needed anti-burst door locks.

There are a number of very slight differences in firewalls, mostly in the position for the bracket that braces the firewall to the chassis bracket on the passengers side. Functionally they are the same and only the fittings change. Very very few LR experts can identify a SII from an early SIIa The real difference comes when the post '66 vehicles got the cable wipers.

[Mustlust]

Thanks Diana, well done, I am impressed! What a clever person you are!!!!

Cheers,
Phillip:D

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks Diana, well done, I am impressed! What a clever person you are!!!!

Cheers,
Phillip:DAll part of the service with a smile! :)

If you PM me your email address I'll send you an image of the extract from the Grenville Motors NSW Allocations Books where the data came from.

Diana

[Johnsy73]

Hi Diana,
I have a question for you to O Oracle of the Series... I am rebuilding a S2a 88" diesel with an engine S/N of 27114437F and a Body S/N of 27300480B. I'm pretty sure is is ex-military but a build year would be tops. I'm sure Winston would like to know his birthday. :D
Cheers,
Matthew.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Diana,
I have a question for you to O Oracle of the Series... I am rebuilding a S2a 88" diesel with an engine S/N of 27114437F and a Body S/N of 27300480B. I'm pretty sure is is ex-military but a build year would be tops. I'm sure Winston would like to know his birthday. :D
Cheers,
Matthew.:(
I am assuming that the body number you are referring to is the same as the chassis number.

27300480C was fitted with diesel engine number 27135760G and sent to the dealer "Friar Bros" on 17.4.67

Engine number 27114437F was originally fitted to chassis number 27300180B and was sent to the dealer on 9.7.64. I have to consult with someone who has another copy of the books about the dealer but essentially it was a retail dealer.

Are you sure about the body serial number?

On the balance of probability, I would say your vehicle is 27300180B and you misread the "1" as a "4" and it seems that Winston wasn't military, but may have been a Government customer (although unlikely).

Diana

[Johnsy73]

That sounds right to me, there is a big scratch/score through the chassis number on the bulkhead and had to guess at the '1' and guessed wrong. I was under the assumption about the colour of the block being somehow relevant to its history but that was erroneous too. That chassis number lines up nicely with the donk that is fitted too. Thanks very much, Diana.

Matthew.

[bluedisco2]

Hi, i'm restoring a great 109 s2a but would like some info on its history please. It has obviously been very much loved over the years and is now getting a full resto.
When i got her last year she still wore Victorian rego number KHU 587 allthoug she hasnt been registered for some years now i suspect.
The vehicle is grey in colour with a limestone roof and the grey was the original colour for sure.
The vehicle number on the land rover id plate is - 25300049a
the vehicle was obviously assembled in Australia and the Aus plate says body number 49977 and serial number 109 4997.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
I plan to do the car in Marine Blue and Limestone as i believe this to be correct for the period?
Kind regards,
Dean Bryant

[JDNSW]

Series 2a 1961-63. Check the number on the LH rear spring hanger to make sure it is the same as on the plate.

While I think blue would have been possible for that period, my memory says virtually all 109s in Australia were grey unless special orders, and all roofs on utes and all hardtops were limestone. Choice of colour came a bit later!

John

[Lotz-A-Landies]

...
...The vehicle number on the land rover id plate is - 25300049a
the vehicle was obviously assembled in Australia and the Aus plate says body number 49977 and serial number 109 4997.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
I plan to do the car in Marine Blue and Limestone as i believe this to be correct for the period?
Kind regards,
Dean BryantDean

253 prefix indicates a 109" CKD so not built in the UK and the 49th CKD of the Series IIa era.

The Grenville Motors NSW Allocations book lists a batch of eleven vehicles 25300026a through 36a and the next batch of six vehicles commencing at 25300079a through 84a (a batch was usually in multiples of six vehicles) all sold to customers or dispatched to dealers between February and May 1962. I would therefore suggest that your vehicle was built in February 1962 and went to a state master distributor other than NSW. Possibly Regent Motors in Melbourne.

The standard colour for 109" in Australia in the early SIIa was grey body with an ivory roof. The colour I know as Limestone came in later. In Australia the exceptions to the grey/ivory colour scheme were fleet orders in fleet colour scheme (i.e. NSW Forestry in orange, & P.M.G. in red) or some truck cabs which had the truck cab matching the grey body colour.

Hope this helps.
Diana

[bluedisco2]

Thank you so much Diana! This helps put the puzzle together somewhat.
The roof is ivory allthough strangely when i was rubbing it back it appears it was previously a creamy colour allthough that may just be an undercoat of course.
Whilst we are doing a very complete restoration we also intend to use this vehicle for trips and so we have basically looked at all the colour schemes and picked the one we like best and hence the marine blue and limestone.
With the strength of the aussie dollare at present the imported bits are very good value and hence the list of what we get seems to grow weekly!
We are aiming to have it ready for the Mt Skene trip next year,
cheers and thanks
Deano