width of a salisbury diff

[weeds]

chasing the width of a salisbury diff flange to flange i.e. minus the stub axles just the bare diff

thanks

[isuzurover]

Just measure your rear diff. They are the same.

[Ranga]

chasing the width of a salisbury diff flange to flange i.e. minus the stub axles just the bare diff

thanks

You thinking about using one for the trailer?

[weeds]

Just measure your rear diff. They are the same.

i could, probably will, however i'm off work with a crook back and wanted to get some prices on axles therefore need a length.........can do the rest on the net and phone tomorrow


You thinking about using one for the trailer?

no, will probably get an axle made and have flanges welded on to suit land rover stubs hubs. highly unlikely but if a wheel bearing fails and damages either the hub or stub on the defender i can always use the trailer as spares to get me home

just thoughts atm

will keep you posted:cool:

[weeds]

found this




For future reference a LR axle from flange of stub to flange of stub is ~1386mm.

To make the trailer axle flanges less complicated the inner part of the stub axles will be machined down, all they will leave is the 5mm locating lip, the axle will be machined to accept this. Obviously that will make the stub axles "custom" but I figure they will last a long time and Ill probably never have to replace them.

Steve

can somebody 'steve' explain the second bit, without having a stub in my hand i assumed it would bolt straight up to a flange on the axle??

[roverrescue]

The stubs actually protrude inwards (towards the diff) with part of the casting.
Especially if you use fronts which have the spindle / needle bearing.

I like to keep the locating lip on a trailer axle but machine/ grind the remainder of the mount surface of the stub flat so it can bolt to the 16mm welded axle flange.

So in the bush you could theoretically use a trailer stub on the vehicle but not the otherway round.

Once you have a stub in your hand it will make sense ;)
You could machine the 16mm axle flange to accept the stub shape if you choose.

Steve

[weeds]

Just measure your rear diff. They are the same.

ventured out to the car this afternoon to confirm measurements, not so easy as the stubs are covered by the hub

i ended up taking both rear wheel off and measured outside hub to hub 1552mm

steve's 1386mm flange to flange i am hoping is correct as i wasn't going to remove the hubs, it looks about right

[isuzurover]

ventured out to the car this afternoon to confirm measurements, not so easy as the stubs are covered by the hub

i ended up taking both rear wheel off and measured outside hub to hub 1552mm

steve's 1386mm flange to flange i am hoping is correct as i wasn't going to remove the hubs, it looks about right

If you get underneath you can measure the flange-flange distance. I am not sure where the hubs and stubs become relevant - as you originally asked for flange/flange. The flanges are ~8mm thick each, so even though the stub axle flange coveres them you can account for that.

[weeds]

If you get underneath you can measure the flange-flange distance. I am not sure where the hubs and stubs become relevant - as you originally asked for flange/flange. The flanges are ~8mm thick each, so even though the stub axle flange coveres them you can account for that.

yes i did ask for flange to flange however buggered if i could measure them from under the car, stone guards seem to be in the way so i will take steves measurement

if you can measure yours accurately i would be interested in your measurement to see if it matches steves

while i was mucking about around the car i thought i would get hub to hub measurements, i may need them and they may come in handy to another member, spose i could have started another thread........:angel:

depending on costs i might have to go for lessor bearings and buy an axle including hubs with land rover stud pattern instead of an axle that i can bolt land rover stubs upto

[isuzurover]

yes i did ask for flange to flange however buggered if i could measure them from under the car, stone guards seem to be in the way so i will take steves measurement

if you can measure yours accurately i would be interested in your measurement to see if it matches steves

while i was mucking about around the car i thought i would get hub to hub measurements, i may need them and they may come in handy to another member, spose i could have started another thread........:angel:

depending on costs i might have to go for lessor bearings and buy an axle including hubs with land rover stud pattern instead of an axle that i can bolt land rover stubs upto

Ah OK - yes the stone guards do make it a bit difficult. Mine stress fractured on the canning and I haven't yet refitted them :angel:

I will try and get a measurement tonight for you.

[jimbo110]

Just measured my spare sals, from a rear drum braked 110........1365mm flange face to flange face.

[wrinklearthur]

no, will probably get an axle made and have flanges welded on to suit land rover stubs hubs. highly unlikely but if a wheel bearing fails and damages either the hub or stub on the defender i can always use the trailer as spares to get me home

Good plan !:thumbsup:

Cheers Arthur

[roverrescue]

Weeds I gaurentee that If you can scrounge some landy hubs and stubs from a landyphile 'making' an axle will always be cheaper than buying ALKO or some such.

Stone guards... are they those built in rattles I removed years ago!!!

Ill go measure again for you. Right so the sals is still bolted to the 130 so its a bit tricky to measure. So this is for a 1995 '130. As its on vehicle it wont be as accurate as Jimbo has but I still get about 20mm more than 1365... Im pretty sure when I measured 1386mm it was sans hubs. So I wonder if different factory wheel offsets change the axle width, or just a slight change drum to disc?

I guess Weeds work out which rims you are going to use as different offsets will change axle widths, this is especially iportant if you run with leaves as say you build up using 1386 axle length but then use disco wheels the big inside offset may then mean the tyre scrubs the leaf edge.

S

[isuzurover]

Weeds - why not use a rear rover housing in your trailer? A bare housing wouldn't be much heavier than an HD trailer axle. You can rotate the housing so the diff pan is facing down, so as not to affect clearance.

p.s. - sorry - didn't get home till 9:30 last night - but it sounds like you have enough measurements?

[weeds]

Just measured my spare sals, from a rear drum braked 110........1365mm flange face to flange face.

thanks, i believe sals should be the same weather they are drum or disc




Weeds I gaurentee that If you can scrounge some landy hubs and stubs from a landyphile 'making' an axle will always be cheaper than buying ALKO or some such.

Stone guards... are they those built in rattles I removed years ago!!!

Ill go measure again for you. Right so the sals is still bolted to the 130 so its a bit tricky to measure. So this is for a 1995 '130. As its on vehicle it wont be as accurate as Jimbo has but I still get about 20mm more than 1365... Im pretty sure when I measured 1386mm it was sans hubs. So I wonder if different factory wheel offsets change the axle width, or just a slight change drum to disc?

I guess Weeds work out which rims you are going to use as different offsets will change axle widths, this is especially iportant if you run with leaves as say you build up using 1386 axle length but then use disco wheels the big inside offset may then mean the tyre scrubs the leaf edge.

S

em using disco rims



Weeds - why not use a rear rover housing in your trailer? A bare housing wouldn't be much heavier than an HD trailer axle. You can rotate the housing so the diff pan is facing down, so as not to affect clearance.

p.s. - sorry - didn't get home till 9:30 last night - but it sounds like you have enough measurements?

i think there is some silly rule about using diff housings

if some could confirm that drum and disc sal housings are the same that would be great as i will use jim's measurement

kinda need this measurement right if i and getting an flange to flange axle made

[weeds]

righto.....confused more than ever

three measurement so far, this is axle flange to flange i.e. no stub axles

1385 steve
1365 jimbo sal with drums
1330 MR Auto sals with drums

MR have also indicated the housings never changed from drum to disc

is there somebody that can confirm one of the above measurements

[isuzurover]

righto.....confused more than ever

three measurement so far, this is axle flange to flange i.e. no stub axles

1385 steve
1365 jimbo sal with drums
1330 MR Auto sals with drums

MR have also indicated the housings never changed from drum to disc

is there somebody that can confirm one of the above measurements

I will measure mine tonight. Do some measurements include the flange thickness and some not?

[roverrescue]

If you are using disco rims without altered offset you will have a narrower track than a fender using fender housing dimensions.

Take wheel offset into account once you have an axle measurement.

Maybe a more useful number in your case would be the centre of a disco 1 tyre/wheel to axle flange. Multipy this by two and subtract from wheel track of a fender!!!!

With respect to the measurements I stated, I could only easily measure inside of flange to inside of flange and it was 1365 or so, hence my "I still get about 20mm more than 1365mm"

I would really be trying to match wheel track as opposed to axle width.

S

[weeds]

If you are using disco rims without altered offset you will have a narrower track than a fender using fender housing dimensions.

Take wheel offset into account once you have an axle measurement.

Maybe a more useful number in your case would be the centre of a disco 1 tyre/wheel to axle flange. Multipy this by two and subtract from wheel track of a fender!!!!

With respect to the measurements I stated, I could only easily measure inside of flange to inside of flange and it was 1365 or so, hence my "I still get about 20mm more than 1365mm"

I would really be trying to match wheel track as opposed to axle width.

S

so if i get the flange to flange measure right, fit defender stubs and hubs and disco rims it will be the same as the defender, thats why i am chasing the exact measurement

opps just realised, i run disco rims on the defender.......:angel: sorry for the confusion

the next problem is finding somebody to make an axle all the big players are not interested its either off the shelf or we cannot help you

oh and a surcharge to drill five holes instead of six and install 5/8 studs (because thats standard) even though i want 16mm

now i realise the frustrations of others when setting up there trailers:D

[isuzurover]

so if i get the flange to flange measure right, fit defender stubs and hubs and disco rims it will be the same as the defender, thats why i am chasing the exact measurement

opps just realised, i run disco rims on the defender.......:angel: sorry for the confusion

the next problem is finding somebody to make an axle all the big players are not interested its either off the shelf or we cannot help you

oh and a surcharge to drill five holes instead of six and install 5/8 studs (because thats standard) even though i want 16mm

now i realise the frustrations of others when setting up there trailers:D

Weeds - give this guy a call: budscustoms - custom parts & fabrication! (http://www.budscustoms.com.au/) He has made lots of custom axle housing (real axles) - so a bit of tube with a flange on each end should be a piece of cake for him.

[roverrescue]

Agreed,
If you are running disco rims on the 110 then matching a sals flange to flange will match your wheel track!

Draw up a plan, put your phone number on it then walk into the darkest dingiest engineer shop you can find, plonk the plan on the desk and grunt a few times.
Not assuming or generalising anything about your mate Ben ;)

IME steer clear of the trailer 'industry' in so many ways! They offer nothing that is better than what you can source yourself. Maybe electric trailer brakes is an exception... but I dont like 'leccy brakes so they dont count for me!

S

[isuzurover]

Agreed,
If you are running disco rims on the 110 then matching a sals flange to flange will match your wheel track!

Draw up a plan, put your phone number on it then walk into the darkest dingiest engineer shop you can find, plonk the plan on the desk and grunt a few times.
Not assuming or generalising anything about your mate Ben ;)

IME steer clear of the trailer 'industry' in so many ways! They offer nothing that is better than what you can source yourself. Maybe electric trailer brakes is an exception... but I dont like 'leccy brakes so they dont count for me!

S

Agree with all of the above. Btw - buddy from Buds4x4 isn't a mate. I did buy a salisbury from him once that he was removing to fit one of his custom axles. He just has a good reputation. And makes lots of cool stuff!!!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/03/268.jpg
Completely custom apart from the swivel balls.

[weeds]

righto.....confused more than ever

three measurement so far, this is axle flange to flange i.e. no stub axles

1385 steve
1365 jimbo sal with drums
1330 MR Auto sals with drums

MR have also indicated the housings never changed from drum to disc

is there somebody that can confirm one of the above measurements

ended up dropping into M.R. and measured myself

i got 1368 using two pieces of timber

jimbo was spot on......

[weeds]

Agreed,
If you are running disco rims on the 110 then matching a sals flange to flange will match your wheel track!

Draw up a plan, put your phone number on it then walk into the darkest dingiest engineer shop you can find, plonk the plan on the desk and grunt a few times.
Not assuming or generalising anything about your mate Ben ;)

IME steer clear of the trailer 'industry' in so many ways! They offer nothing that is better than what you can source yourself. Maybe electric trailer brakes is an exception... but I dont like 'leccy brakes so they dont count for me!

S



Agree with all of the above.


righto, sounds like an engineering firm we use for work will knock it up for me

i was thinking 50mm solid axle

if i went tube what size do you think

[isuzurover]

righto, sounds like an engineering firm we use for work will knock it up for me

i was thinking 50mm solid axle

if i went tube what size do you think

Tube is much stronger than solid (of the same mass) - due to having a larger diameter.

I would make it the same as the tube on a sals, which I have posted somewhere, but I recall it is 80 mm OD and 5.6 mm wall.

That will also allow you to use series u-bolts (if you are fitting leaves)

[weeds]

Tube is much stronger than solid (of the same mass) - due to having a larger diameter.

I would make it the same as the tube on a sals, which I have posted somewhere, but I recall it is 80 mm OD and 5.6 mm wall.

That will also allow you to use series u-bolts (if you are fitting leaves)

thanks, was thinking around 80mm....just about have it sorted

[roverrescue]

Haha, I wonder if my 1386mm was a typo and should be your 1368mm??
I guess I had to make a mistake one day ;)

"thanks, was thinking around 80mm....just about have it sorted "
good to hear mate,
before you get your mob to weld the axle up, think about spring mounts (link mounts???) and damper mounts. Easier and cheaper to burn them on now than add them later!

S

[weeds]

Bump.....