land rover/valiant hybrid

[hesguitar]

Anyone ever seen a valiant slant six in a series 2a? I ask as I have three of the bloody things and only one valiant (my suggestion of buying more valiants to solve the excess engine issue wasn't taken well) and a Land Rover that could use a more powerful and reliable engine.

[Bigbjorn]

Not seen a slant but several Hemi 6 in Series 3. A very good conversion.

The slant is shorter than a Hemi and can be stood up straight. The slants have very good torque output and spread.

[hesguitar]

hmmm, i suspect the cost and stress of getting an adaptor plate made up might negate the advantages of the slant in comparison to ease and availability of a holden red conversion. I'll still look into it though, they are a bloody good engine.

Never seen them mounted vertically- I imagine it would take a bit of work (new carbs, manifolds, sump).

[Mick_Marsh]

I've seen a Chrysler V8 in a S2a.
The same S2a had a custom one piece all aluminium rear door.

[hesguitar]

A 440 would be a nice addition, might have to upgrade the gearbox and 10 spline axles though :p

[superquag]

Would be a totally opposite engine to the LR's, - Powerful, reliable, easy to work on AND better fuel consumption !!! :wasntme:

James in Gosnells

[Johnno1969]

Good to see somebody else who shares a twin love of Landies and Vals. I've heard of slants going into Landies, and have always thought of how nice all that lovely silky smooth slant six torque would be, but wonder about Land Rover transmissions handling it all. I've seen a Hemi 265 in a Series Landy, but it had a Valiant (Borg warner 35, if I remember correctly) behind it. Much as I love Hemis (still a Charger owner) I would go for the slant in a Landy. What a wonderful engine. About as reliable as a motor can get. I think they used them to power the Gemini space vehicles or something......

John

[Johnno1969]

P.S. If ever you are forced to part with any of those slant sixes.....

[the big fist]

I've seen a Chrysler V8 in a S2a.
The same S2a had a custom one piece all aluminium rear door.

I've got a spare 318 here from my vf hardtop, I've always thought how cool it would be to slip it into my 2a.
Any pics ?

[andy3542]

Iv got a 245 slant 6 hemi in my 2a and its got the 3spd auto box. so the rear drive shaft has been shortened. has defender front grill on it as the guy who built it didnt want to have a skinny radiator very close to the fan. i might do this though so i can have the 2a front on it. i was looking at converting it back to a land rover gearbox but couldnt find an adaptor plate... hemi has a load of torque and it goes hard and has yet to let me down (touch wood). i could get photos if you want to see how mines been set up?

cheers

[p38arover]

A friend had a Valiant hemi six in his 2A. I can't get any more info as he passed away last year.

[the big fist]

Can you still run 4wd ?

[andy3542]

Can you still run 4wd ?

yeah i do most weekends. im assuming the land rover transfer case has been adapted on the side based on where the plugs ect are. dont ask me how because im not sure. havnt had to take it apart yet.

[hesguitar]

Well johnno1969 if you're ever in melbourne you're welcome to come have a look to see if you want one (there's one ready to go now including running stand but no manifolds- about $100).

My dad and I share a S series val that's mid rebuild and are locked in a battle of wills whether the turbo engine will go in or the naturally aspirated HP engine (a dizzing 160 horses). I'm sharing the land rover build with my girlfriend so it would be fun to have some land rover/ valiant crossover.

Did any hemi's get fitted with an adaptor kit? If so it means it's out there for me to find which would get me closer to getting the slant in :D

[Bigbjorn]

Adaptors are/were available for Hemi to LR. Call Bill Winter, 07-3274-4373. He was the first person I know of to do one (S3 wagon) and that was about 30 years ago. He has done others since. He had two daily drivers in this configuration in use for a long time.f

[Johnno1969]

Well johnno1969 if you're ever in melbourne you're welcome to come have a look to see if you want one (there's one ready to go now including running stand but no manifolds- about $100).

My dad and I share a S series val that's mid rebuild and are locked in a battle of wills whether the turbo engine will go in or the naturally aspirated HP engine (a dizzing 160 horses). I'm sharing the land rover build with my girlfriend so it would be fun to have some land rover/ valiant crossover.

Did any hemi's get fitted with an adaptor kit? If so it means it's out there for me to find which would get me closer to getting the slant in :D

Thanks mate,

I'd love to take you up on that offer. One can never have too many slant sixes. I'd love to hear/see a bit more about your SV1. I still get misty thinking about the one which used to park across the road when I was a kid. Or the E49 I saw that time for $4000. Oh well....

So who's for the turbo, and who's for the natural aspiration?

I know a fellow with an adaptor for a Hemi if you're interested.

Mind you, I cave trouble imagining how a Hemi could not shred every bit of Series Landy transmission you ever put behind it.

Cheers,

John

[Johnno1969]

Iv got a 245 slant 6 hemi in my 2a and its got the 3spd auto box. so the rear drive shaft has been shortened. has defender front grill on it as the guy who built it didnt want to have a skinny radiator very close to the fan. i might do this though so i can have the 2a front on it. i was looking at converting it back to a land rover gearbox but couldnt find an adaptor plate... hemi has a load of torque and it goes hard and has yet to let me down (touch wood). i could get photos if you want to see how mines been set up?

cheers


I don't really understand... Slants didn't have Hemi heads and they were 225ci. Is your engine a slant or a Hemi? Yep, I'd love to see some pics.

Thanks,

John

[andy3542]

sorry its a 245 hemi so a 'hemi-six'.

i think thats the reason it was mated with its own box is because the landy gear couldnt deal with it. means i cant put a salisbury in the back of it though due to the shortness of the driveshaft.

does anyone of here have one mated to a landy box thats ok? or have it mated to a manual box?

ill upload photos this weekend once iv cleaned the truck up abit...

cheers

[Bigbjorn]

sorry its a 245 hemi so a 'hemi-six'.

i think thats the reason it was mated with its own box is because the landy gear couldnt deal with it. means i cant put a salisbury in the back of it though due to the shortness of the driveshaft.

does anyone of here have one mated to a landy box thats ok? or have it mated to a manual box?

ill upload photos this weekend once iv cleaned the truck up abit...

cheers

See post no. 15 above and 'phone him. Both of his Hemi/S3 conversions had LR transmissions and lasted well.

[Johnno1969]

I don't doubt your word, but it blows me away to think of a Series transmission handling a Hemi, after spending a lot of my youth seeing all the ridiculous things Hemis can do (such as out-accelerating local V8s with ease and monotonous regularity, as well as dropping ridiculous burnouts (alright, I admit it: I was a petrol head) and pulling silly revs in standard form).

I have always wondered how it would feel to drive a Hemi-powered Landy.....

Fun, scary...all sorts of adjectives...

[warren9981]

My father had a 265 Hemi in his series 2a. Fitted it about 30 odd years ago and only got rid of it a couple of years ago. Was mated to the standard landy box (no sychro on 1st) and a fairey overdrive. Was fitted with salisbury diffs from memory, and a downdraft Weber carburettor. We travelled all over Australia when I was a kid, towing an 8 berth Franklin caravan.
Only broke one of the rear axles once in SA as I recall. I think dad took out the rear tailshaft and ran it front wheel drive until we got to Melbourne where he got a replacement axle.
Boy could this thing get up and groovin if you gave it a bootful. I recall in Perth a few time dragging off Jeep Cherokees and a few V8's, (and we had the caravan attached). There were 5 of us kids in the back waving and laughing at them. Must have been embarrassing for them.:D

With the overdrive you had 2 speeds in reverse so could do about 60kph backwards.:p

Those were the days.:)

[Johnno1969]

Boy could this thing get up and groovin if you gave it a bootful. I recall in Perth a few time dragging off Jeep Cherokees and a few V8's, (and we had the caravan attached). There were 5 of us kids in the back waving and laughing at them. Must have been embarrassing for them.:D

With the overdrive you had 2 speeds in reverse so could do about 60kph backwards.:p

Those were the days.:)

Hats off to IIA transmission. Thanks for the post...with a 265 and the short gearing, it must have been something else off the mark. 60km/h in reverse. Heh heh ehehhehe........

I know this is a Land Rover forum, but "Vale the mighty 265", I say....

[hesguitar]

John I'll pm you some photos of the slant on the running stand on saturday when i go visit my engines (oh and parents) to see if you're interested.

I haven't had time to research the project much this week, I've got to the point where i have to try and find out more about the similarities between hemi and slant bell-housings to see if there is much, if any, interchangeability.

If the the 2a gearbox can handle a hemi a slant shouldn't pose any problems (i just put an overdrive in and would hate for it to have been a waste of time and money). Was there any reason the slant wasn't used as an conversion option back in the day? They're shorter than the hemi with lots of low down torque and the exhaust points in the right direction so the seem like a good candidate for a kit.

I'm looking forward to seeing the pics of the valiant powered landy, it seems like a match made in heaven (for me anyway and i suspect a few others).

Rather than using the LR 'box i could do a push button auto conversion as well :p

[Johnno1969]

That would be great, thanks. I look forward to it.

I think the bellhousings were quite different on Hemis and slants, from memory (it's over twenty years since I had anything to do with slants). i know all sorts of conversions have been done, like Borg warner single rails behind slants, so I guess anything is possible.

Maybe the slant wasn't used by some because of its orientation. There wasn't much space between the head and the inner guard on the driver's side on any Valiant with a slant in it; it must be very very tight in a Landy. Like you, I am keen to see pics of a Hemi in one. It was along time ago that I saw something like that, and when I was 21 I think I had less attention to detail...

I used to dream of having a Hemi in my IIA twenty years ago, but now I get all excited over my 2.25D, bristling with pre-war diesel technology. Funny, eh?

With all this said, I definitely remember hearing about slant conversions back when the engines were much more common. I remember a conversation late one night with a prospector who told me that they "bolt straight in" to a Land Rover. He was extremely drunk at the time. Actually, so was I.

As much as I like the IIA transmission, and have rebuilt mine and never had problems with it, I do not know enough about gearboxes to feel confident with a Val engine fronting something that was designed for such wee little British four cylinder jobs. Still, it has been done.

John

P.S. A push button auto on a Landy? I reckon I'd pay good money to see that......

[hesguitar]

bolts right in eh? Well if you can't trust the word of a drunk prospector who can you trust.

[Johnno1969]

That's right. I'd hate to think that the world had come to the point where a three-fourths smashed gem fossicker might lead a bloke astray on factual information.

[andy3542]

will get photos within the next couple days, spent all day pulling the starter motor out and apart, as it decided to give up on me. will have new solenoid by wednesday hopefully.

ill be looking into the landy gearbox hemi mating more as it appears they can hold up.

cheers

[Rangier Rover]

will get photos within the next couple days, spent all day pulling the starter motor out and apart, as it decided to give up on me. will have new solenoid by wednesday hopefully.

ill be looking into the landy gearbox hemi mating more as it appears they can hold up.

cheers


The landy box will hold up if you treat it right. Just dont hammer it in first or third gear. Second will take it though:twisted:

We ran a turboed 202 in a series 111 a few years back. Soon discovered the weak links in the Series box! 1st gear:eek:

Talking Valiant/Dodge , I have a 56 model series one here with a 318 shoe horned in.:twisted:

[the big fist]

Talking Valiant/Dodge , I have a 56 model series one here with a 318 shoe horned in.:twisted:

Photos please ! :D

[Rangier Rover]

Photos please ! :D


Here,


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/67208-my-318-powed-56-model-uncoverd.html

[jakeslouw]

What about the 250 Chevy with 3.54 diff centers?

I know several people who did this conversion with the Series diff ratio and all of them complained about top speed and revs, but I'm wondering that the 250cui / 4.1L should handle 3.54 ratios OK?

[andy3542]

Adaptors are/were available for Hemi to LR. Call Bill Winter, 07-3274-4373. He was the first person I know of to do one (S3 wagon) and that was about 30 years ago. He has done others since. He had two daily drivers in this configuration in use for a long time.f

do you have an email for him? or is he on here? tried calling the other day but didnt work...

keen to see if you can just bolt the landy box up with an adaptor plate or if it needs alot of mods....

cheers

[bee utey]

What about the 250 Chevy with 3.54 diff centers?

I know several people who did this conversion with the Series diff ratio and all of them complained about top speed and revs, but I'm wondering that the 250cui / 4.1L should handle 3.54 ratios OK?

This engine is quite rare in Australia, the Valiant engines are much more common here.:)

[Bigbjorn]

This engine is quite rare in Australia, the Valiant engines are much more common here.:)

Sold here in Chev. and Bedford Trucks. Known in the trade as the Mexico Chev.

Not common but out there.

Both engines are compact, and light, being made using the thinwall iron casting techniques developed by US industry in the early sixties.

The Chrysler 265 is the pick of the two for LR purposes.

[Bigbjorn]

do you have an email for him? or is he on here? tried calling the other day but didnt work...

keen to see if you can just bolt the landy box up with an adaptor plate or if it needs alot of mods....

cheers

Bill is not a computer person. He is away a lot. Keep trying. Weekends are best.

[boger]

Had a valliant slant six in Canada for 18 months, like the ones here, a lot of fun in the snow!:p soo much fun and gas was 30 cents then! With the dollar canada is also a place for parts? wish i had pictures:)

[Johnno1969]

Had a valliant slant six in Canada for 18 months, like the ones here, a lot of fun in the snow!:p soo much fun and gas was 30 cents then! With the dollar canada is also a place for parts? wish i had pictures:)

Was the engine 170ci?

[andy3542]

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gearbox died this morning... :( land rover gearbox is on the cards now im pretty sure.
cheers

[Bigbjorn]

You should shorten up that No. 2 HT lead. The long runs of HT lead to Nos. 1 & 2 are often the cause of a miss under load.

[andy3542]

You should shorten up that No. 2 HT lead. The long runs of HT lead to Nos. 1 & 2 are often the cause of a miss under load.

yeah its only there temporarily, i broke it the other day changing the spark plugs... well after the new gearbox that is...

cheers

[tony66_au]

I don't really understand... Slants didn't have Hemi heads and they were 225ci. Is your engine a slant or a Hemi? Yep, I'd love to see some pics.

Thanks,

John

Hey John, Neither 6 Cyl Val donk actually had hemi heads and the Hemi 6 was semi hemispherical at best.

Ive been spitballing the idea of replacing my 3.5 rover V8 with a 3.5 lt (225 cube) Slanty and adding a set of long runner manifolds and a 4bbl.

My reasons for using the slant are that they are cheaper to repair, parts are still available from the US because of their continued use in the early 90's as marine engines, they dont suffer from cam walk or oil pump issues nor do the dizzys handgrenade unlike the 215/245/265.

A bit of head work and a fancy intake and they boof along nicely.

Id also leave it slanted.


That would be great, thanks. I look forward to it.

I think the bellhousings were quite different on Hemis and slants, from memory (it's over twenty years since I had anything to do with slants). i know all sorts of conversions have been done, like Borg warner single rails behind slants, so I guess anything is possible.

Maybe the slant wasn't used by some because of its orientation. There wasn't much space between the head and the inner guard on the driver's side on any Valiant with a slant in it; it must be very very tight in a Landy. Like you, I am keen to see pics of a Hemi in one. It was along time ago that I saw something like that, and when I was 21 I think I had less attention to detail...

I used to dream of having a Hemi in my IIA twenty years ago, but now I get all excited over my 2.25D, bristling with pre-war diesel technology. Funny, eh?

With all this said, I definitely remember hearing about slant conversions back when the engines were much more common. I remember a conversation late one night with a prospector who told me that they "bolt straight in" to a Land Rover. He was extremely drunk at the time. Actually, so was I.

As much as I like the IIA transmission, and have rebuilt mine and never had problems with it, I do not know enough about gearboxes to feel confident with a Val engine fronting something that was designed for such wee little British four cylinder jobs. Still, it has been done.

John

P.S. A push button auto on a Landy? I reckon I'd pay good money to see that......

Aussie Slant 6 had a bigger footprint for driveline hookups because of the predominant use of the 904 auto's which are basically a smaller torqueflite with the exception of the 245/265 "S" Block which was produced by Tonsley park in the 70's because Borg Warner went on strike for yonks and Chrysler got sick of being held to ransom.

So the S block allowed them to use imported 904 and 727 trannies behind their 6's.

My only worry with using a Hemi 6 in a landy/rangie would be over revving the buggers in low range because unlike Landy and rangie v8's and 4's who dont mind a rev the Hemi 6 gets a bit testy over 4500 rpm (Cam walk again).

So unless youve spent a bit on the donk to get her to rev cleanly and added a nice balancer I reckon a rev limiter might be a good idea.

Cheers,
Tony
(3 VG's, a VK and many many more before that)

[jakeslouw]

Didn't those long straight 6 motors also have crank problems at revs? Apparently the crank could twist a fair amount and even break off at a main join?

[Bigbjorn]

I managed a fleet of 70 rep's cars, all slant six auto. Valiants which replaced a mixed fleet of Holden and Ford. These were the most reliable and almost totally maintenance free cars I ever had to do with. Usually went through a four year lease period driven by heavy footed rep's with only routine services and replacement of wearing parts like brake linings. 300,000-400,000 miles on an engine without opening them up was the norm.

Their running cost per mile was lower than equivalent Holden and Falcon in spite of heavier fuel usage.

[tony66_au]

Didn't those long straight 6 motors also have crank problems at revs? Apparently the crank could twist a fair amount and even break off at a main join?

No, Ive had numerous Hemi 6 Vals in the past 28 years and never had a crank issue.

You may be confused with the cam issues especially the oil pump drive gears shearing as the Cams do float forwards although there is a fix for this its reliability at load and revs is suspect.

As for the Slant 6 (225) they are reliable as hell even 50 years down the track, Aus never got the 170 slant BTW, only the 225 and they are a highly under rated engine.

Tony

[mopar]

if your going to do a chrysler conversion you might as well go all the way
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[tony66_au]

if your going to do a chrysler conversion you might as well go all the way
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Is that for me?

[mopar]

your already on mm arent you tony?
for the rest of you theres a lot of info on slants and hemis in the forum pages and you dont need to sign up to read it, might be worth a look

[mopar]

No, Ive had numerous Hemi 6 Vals in the past 28 years and never had a crank issue.

You may be confused with the cam issues especially the oil pump drive gears shearing as the Cams do float forwards although there is a fix for this its reliability at load and revs is suspect.

As for the Slant 6 (225) they are reliable as hell even 50 years down the track, Aus never got the 170 slant BTW, only the 225 and they are a highly under rated engine.

Tony

all the hemi's ive had have enjoyed revs, the fix (being a thrust bearing on the end of the cam with an adjuster bolt through the timing covee themr) seems to be working finee on a lot of engines, but the e38's and 49's didnt have them and never seemed to be unreliable at revs.
slants only have 5 main bearings, maybe thats what your thinking of

[Bigbjorn]

all the hemi's ive had have enjoyed revs, the fix (being a thrust bearing on the end of the cam with an adjuster bolt through the timing covee themr) seems to be working finee on a lot of engines, but the e38's and 49's didnt have them and never seemed to be unreliable at revs.
slants only have 5 main bearings, maybe thats what your thinking of

You beat me to it. A camshaft thrust bearing is essential on all high performance engines. Easy to do as you outlined. I have built up a number of hemis for various applications including some methanol engines for speedway which were somewhere over 300hp. Never had an oil pump problem. No need to fit a high volume oil pump either as the standard one is more than adequate. A good hemi will rev like a turbine. The later ones with the emission control camshaft are not revvers, being designed for low speed torque to meet the emission control requirements of the era. They really are a brilliant engine, light, compact, massive crankshaft,twelve huge ports and huge valves (in the 265). The only generic faults I can think of are valve guide wear which for some unknown to me reason is worse on cylinders 1 & 2, and the distributor location which has long runs of HT lead to nos. 1 & 2 often causing a miss which the unfamiliar find difficult to locate. If you have room underneath, a good modification is the much larger Centura sump if you can find one. For hard use fit a windage tray and baffles.

[tony66_au]

your already on mm arent you tony?
for the rest of you theres a lot of info on slants and hemis in the forum pages and you dont need to sign up to read it, might be worth a look

Yep Matt I am mate.

Wasnt sure if you figured it out.

[Bigbjorn]

No, Ive had numerous Hemi 6 Vals in the past 28 years and never had a crank issue.

You may be confused with the cam issues especially the oil pump drive gears shearing as the Cams do float forwards although there is a fix for this its reliability at load and revs is suspect.

As for the Slant 6 (225) they are reliable as hell even 50 years down the track, Aus never got the 170 slant BTW, only the 225 and they are a highly under rated engine.

Tony

We did get some 245 slants in Dodge trucks. They can be identified by an extra core plug on the manifold side, and by valve rotators if they still have them fitted. They are rare and if you can find one, grab it.

[mopar]

We did get some 245 slants in Dodge trucks. They can be identified by an extra core plug on the manifold side, and by valve rotators if they still have them fitted. They are rare and if you can find one, grab it.

i hunted for more info on this years ago and came to a dead end, the 245 slant seems to be a myth, measured up a supposed 245 slant and was just a 225, id love to be proven wrong just haven't seen any proof to back up the theory, no one in the states seems to know about them either

[mopar]

i think the extra core plug determines an early and late block, what do you mean by valve adjusters? adjustable rockers?

[Bigbjorn]

i think the extra core plug determines an early and late block, what do you mean by valve adjusters? adjustable rockers?

Valve rotators, not adjusters. The device gradually rotates the valve whilst running. Cleans the crud off and helps maintain the seal in hard used engines like trucks. Hemis used in trucks had this feature also.

[mopar]

cool, just looked them up and i havent seen them before, are they not capable under high load or is there another reason we dont see them in performance builds

[andy3542]

does anyone on here have an adaptor plate for a 245 hemi-series land rover gearbox?
got everything else lined up now but its kind of useless unless i can get an adaptor.

cheers

[mopar]

i know where there is one in wa, would be costly though by the time its removed/sent over

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The landy box will hold up if you treat it right. Just dont hammer it in first or third gear. Second will take it though:twisted:

We ran a turboed 202 in a series 111 a few years back. Soon discovered the weak links in the Series box! 1st gear:eek:

Talking Valiant/Dodge , I have a 56 model series one here with a 318 shoe horned in.:twisted:One has to clarify that statement about series boxes quite a bit.

The SIII box internally is quite a bit different to the SIIa box. Most notably in the thickness of the 2nd mainshaft gear, which has been reduced to the width of the 1st gear. If you look at the image below and imagine a set of synchro cones squeezed in between you start to understand.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/500.jpg

I must get an SIII cutaway image sometime.

The best box in the very late SIIa, which has the benefits of large layshaft bearings (Suff B ); shouldered layshaft (suff D) and sealed primary pinion (? suff H)

Diana

[Johnno1969]

Hey John, Neither 6 Cyl Val donk actually had hemi heads and the Hemi 6 was semi hemispherical at best.

Ive been spitballing the idea of replacing my 3.5 rover V8 with a 3.5 lt (225 cube) Slanty and adding a set of long runner manifolds and a 4bbl.

My reasons for using the slant are that they are cheaper to repair, parts are still available from the US because of their continued use in the early 90's as marine engines, they dont suffer from cam walk or oil pump issues nor do the dizzys handgrenade unlike the 215/245/265.

A bit of head work and a fancy intake and they boof along nicely.

Id also leave it slanted.



Aussie Slant 6 had a bigger footprint for driveline hookups because of the predominant use of the 904 auto's which are basically a smaller torqueflite with the exception of the 245/265 "S" Block which was produced by Tonsley park in the 70's because Borg Warner went on strike for yonks and Chrysler got sick of being held to ransom.

So the S block allowed them to use imported 904 and 727 trannies behind their 6's.

My only worry with using a Hemi 6 in a landy/rangie would be over revving the buggers in low range because unlike Landy and rangie v8's and 4's who dont mind a rev the Hemi 6 gets a bit testy over 4500 rpm (Cam walk again).

So unless youve spent a bit on the donk to get her to rev cleanly and added a nice balancer I reckon a rev limiter might be a good idea.

Cheers,
Tony
(3 VG's, a VK and many many more before that)

Hey Tony,

Thanks for that, mate. Yep, I know that the Hemis were not truly hemispherical heads - I was just trying to work out what motor was being referred to.

I'm interested in your thoughts on using a 4BBL rather than a 2BBL on a slant in a Landy. I know there are four barrels and four barrels, but I would have thought a slant with a two barrel would be adequate to punt a Landy around and with less potential for becoming fiddly on tuning.

Is it right that the marinised slants up to the nineties were turbo-diesels? i heard that once, and have always hoped it was true.

Hey, and speaking of the "S" block, I remember hearing of Aussie Hemi sixes in Canadian Valiants fronting torqueflite boxes. Do you know if such a thing ever happened?

Cheers,

John

[mopar]

as far as i know, no hemi sixes went to canada.
nz was the only place that got them i think, but i cant remember what the japanese exports were, south africa got slants in everything

[Gippslander]

I owned a Series 1 short wheel base back in 79 with a slant six in it sold it locally and i believe it is sitting in a shed will check it out when i get home /middle of next week

[tony66_au]

I reckon it'd go better than a holden 6 in a landy, my old 2a was a bugger with the 202 and way too thirsty for my liking plus the timing gear dissolved on me half way to Aldonga one weekend.

That and I know more about slants than holden 6's so I might be a bit biased.

[tony66_au]

John id say its a furphy re canuk hemi 6's.

As far as I know the 215/245/265 only went in Aus Vals and wherever they were exported being NZ, South Afrika, Fiji, PNG and a handful went to the UK as hire cars (Avis i think).

The Canadians had everything Mother Mopar had to offer from the US lineup and the only early 6's were 170 and 225 slant 6, 273/318/340/360's and the big block units.

As for slant 6 info?

Best read from the Guru's mouth on that mate but I will confirm that in the late 70's/ early 80's a turbo diesel slant 6 was produced coded the A513 but where they went I have no idea although marine would be a good app.

Id read these articles if you want to know more

The Mopar slant six engines (http://www.allpar.com/slant6.html)

Articles (http://www.slantsix.org/articles/articles.htm)

Cheers,
Tony

[wagoo]

4x4 Motors in Blackburn Melbourne were selling adaptors and doing Valiant conversions in the the mid 1970's to early 80s. The adaptors were made by a mate of mine, Arnold Taylor, who may still have the casting pattern, but with respect, anyone contemplating fitting either a slant or hemi engine to any series Landrover gearbox is asking for a mountain of grief. They are simply not up to it. However, the bellhousing bolt pattern on Valiant engines will bolt up to the Dodge truck 4speed New Process 435 gearbox, and you can have a decent size clutch into the bargain.Some of these have a 10 spline rear output shaft (mainshaft) the same pattern as the LandRover,though slightly larger outside diameter and base(root)diameter of the splines. The Landy T/case input gear(mainshaft gear) gets the splined hole machined out slightly on a lathe, and the truck mainshaft has the output spline ground down slightly so that the 2 mate together.A transfercase to gearbox adaptor with an additional bearing that sits just behind the original gearbox mainshaft bearing is then made up. The additional bearing compensates for the lack of the Landy style tail bearing.
From memory the NP435 box is the same length as the Landy box, The t/case adaptor is about 12mm thick and the bell housing is close in length to the Landy bell and flywheel housing combined.
I have a similar gearbox behind my 2 1/4 litre engine, but mine is a Warner T98, commonly found in Ford and International trucks. My box including T/case adaptor is 36mm longer than standard LandRover.Either Fairey or Rocky mountain overdrives can be fitted in the normal way to these conversions if that's your thing.
Both these gearbox conversions are bulletproof set and forget affairs. Most of the petrol powered trucks and pickups that used these boxes are no longer economical to use on the road, and in the past I've been able to buy the boxes in good order for anything between 50 and 250 dollars.
wagoo.

[andy3542]

4x4 Motors in Blackburn Melbourne were selling adaptors and doing Valiant conversions in the the mid 1970's to early 80s. The adaptors were made by a mate of mine, Arnold Taylor, who may still have the casting pattern, but with respect, anyone contemplating fitting either a slant or hemi engine to any series Landrover gearbox is asking for a mountain of grief. They are simply not up to it.The bellhousing bolt pattern on valiant engines will bolt up to the Dodge truck 4speed New Process 435 gearbox.Some of these have a 10 spline rear output shaft (mainshaft) the same pattern as the LandRover,though slightly larger outside diameter and base diameter of the splines. The Landy T/case input gear gets the splined hole machined out slightly on a lathe, and the truck mainshaft has the output spline ground down slightly so that the 2 mate together.A transfercase to gearbox adaptor with an additional bearing that sits just behind the original gearbox mainshaft bearing is then made up. The additional bearing compensates for the lack of the Landy style tail bearing.
From memory the NP435 box is the same length as the Landy box, The t/case adaptor is about 12mm thick and the bell housing is close in length to the Landy bell and flywheel housing combined.
I have a similar gearbox behind my 2 1/4 litre engine, but mine is a Warner T98, commonly found in Ford and International trucks. My box including T/case adaptor is 36mm longer than standard LandRover.Either Fairey or Rocky mountain overdrives can be fitted in the normal way to these conversions if that's our thing.
Both these gearbox conversions are bulletproof set and forget affairs.
wagoo.

does your mate have any adaptors kicking around or know where i could get my hands on one?

cheers
andrew

[wagoo]

does your mate have any adaptors kicking around or know where i could get my hands on one?

cheers
andrew

I'll ask him when he gets back from holiday in a couple of days.
Wagoo.

[Bigbjorn]

does your mate have any adaptors kicking around or know where i could get my hands on one?

cheers
andrew

See Post #15 in this thread. He will guide you through the whole conversion including how to keep the under bonnet bits of the S3 heater demister which does not look possible at first.

Keep calling. Billy is away a lot.

[chazza]

Thanks for the post about the Borg Warner 98 Wagoo!

Would you be able to start another thread on what you had to do to make the conversion? It seems to me to be a good one for those of us who are going to use 200tdi engines, :)

Cheers Charlie

[wagoo]

Thanks for the post about the Borg Warner 98 Wagoo!

Would you be able to start another thread on what you had to do to make the conversion? It seems to me to be a good one for those of us who are going to use 200tdi engines, :)

Cheers Charlie

Charlie,I'm not certain that the T98 or NP435 is all that suitable for a relatively low powered engine such as a 200 tdi.It's more for big torquey engines like the Valiants or V8s etc.
I fitted one to a late friends series 3 swb that was regularly blowing up Landy boxes. This vehicle had a 200TdI, albeit with an Ashcroft type High Ratio transfercase conversion,on 7.50 x16s and the engine really didn't have enough flexibility to pull the t98s ratio gaps comfortably.My vehicle is ok with the std t/case, but I don't really have high road performance expectations more than I have a need for the low speed tractor style pulling power and reliability that the T98 provides.And at any rate I have a 2 spd splitter box that I can fit if I want better road performance.
Below are the T98 gear ratios.NP435 ratios are broadly similar.
1st gear=6.39:1 2nd=3.09:1 3rd= 1.66:1 4th= 1:1
As you can see 1st gear is too low for starting off on the road unless you have a very heavy load, so you start in 2nd which is a bit taller than the std series three 1st gear ratio of 3.66:1. Once you have wrung out 2nd gear you change into 3rd and then 4th which is similar to the Landy 3rd and 4th. To get a rough idea how a T98 will perform in your vehicle, try driving around for a while with the Landy box and skip 2nd gear at all times.You'll probably find it's too hard to live with on a day to day basis.
There is a relation of the T98 called the T18 that is all synchro and available in a closer ratio format with around 4.6:1 first gear, but to my knowledge they weren't used in trucks in any quantity for the Australian market, and therefore probably not available cheaply here.
Wagoo.

[rovercare]

My old boy used to have an old Dodge truck with a 225 slant, sit for 9 months every year, then fuel down the carby and a battery and broom, ran on sump oil as it used 4L/tank of fuel, used to smoke like a bastard when getting its yearly run for the first 20 or so kays, never did stop, even run without water or oil:eek:

[andy3542]

Does anyone have a cad or scale drawing of the adaptor plate required?

Iv been in contact with a guy by the name of Will Heily who said he had an adaptor plate that used a hemi starter, flywheel and pressure plate but has been quoted 1100 aus to get it copied and cut from the one he already has, this is just for the adaptor plate!!
is this what it should be expected? is this what everyone else has been using?

iv been trying to call billy but havnt managed too...
cheers

[Bigbjorn]

iv been trying to call billy but havnt managed too...
cheers

Try his business numbers. 0417 070 485 and 07 3875 2873

[fordpwrds2]

i bought a s2 landy with 265 and landcrusier gearbox awesome conversion not short of anysort of power :) oh cost me 500 as well it has a casted bell housing not sure maybe marks adapters??

[J_Mildwaters]

Hey there, I have a 215 HEMI six in my landrover and it fits just fine, not to sure about the slant though. People get holden 308s and HEMI 8s In there so I'm sure you could fit a slant in. I bought my S III with the conversion already done, but any good engineers (I know a few blokes in perth that do it would be able to make a coversion plate for almost any engine to any gearbox.

-Jack

[mopar]

hemi is longer than the slant so it should fit

[Christopher]

Hi.... I found and bought S3 LWB with Hemi 245 in it... it is donor LR... I have rebuilt S3 LWB tray back (which it had Holden 186 so I had remove) and it will have this Hemi fitting in soon...:)