112-723 Emmet

[Lotz-A-Landies]

A lot of people have heard rumours of his existence for a while so I'd like to introduce everyone to my most recent acquisition 112-723 a Vietnam vet according to the REMLR database. "Emmet" is the very next ARN to Zulu Delta 534's "Onslow" and named because Emmet is another long suffering male to Hyacinth Bucket (the neighbour).

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/03/104.jpg

As can be seen Emmet is currently camouflaged in faux-aboriginal rock art which will shortly succumb to paint stripper.

He runs and stops although has a problem with the clutch hydraulics.

Of interest is the fact that he has had his firewall replaced by a post 1967 firewall, most probably while still in service as his ID plate is affixed to the firewall and still overpainted with olive drab.

I am now on the look out for a pair of gun buggy windscreens and clamps and a good original bumper plus SIIa brush guard.

Diana

[isuzutoo-eh]

Congratulations! You have made a lot of people rather jealous :)

The front guard chop looks very rough!

[Mick_Marsh]

Well spotted. Well bought.
I'll swap a Dixon Bate pintle with a locking tab for it.

Looking forward to watching the restoration thread.

[The ho har's]

very nice Diana...have seen a pic of the other one also:) looking forward to both restorations;)

Mrs hh:angel:

[Mick_Marsh]

Where are the picsof t'other one?

[The ho har's]

Where are the picsof t'other one?


The other one doesn't belong to Diana...other forum member...both from the same place;).. all will be reveled soon I suspect:)

Mrs hh:angel:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks folks, the LHS guard has some panel work required and not 100% sure about the cut of the RHS one, perhaps no one wanted to get too close to the snake.

Current plan is to pick it up on Saturday which may be a day later than our other mate. Now I just need to know that I've got the correct ARN for the correct colour car. :confused: Otherwise I'll be getting the one with currently unknown provenance, other than it's a SA unit.

[The ho har's]

OH Diana I told Harry the name...Emmet...he laughed he thought it very appropriate:D

Mrs hh:angel:

[Mick_Marsh]

The other one doesn't belong to Diana...other forum member...both from the same place;).. all will be reveled soon I suspect:)

Mrs hh:angel:
No! Not Digger!
We'll never see him again.
Neither will his wife.

[digger]

No! Not Digger!
We'll never see him again.
Neither will his wife.

(neither will his wife) = she may like that idea...

Marshy, -- et tu brutus?:(

seriously, very generously I was given an oppourtunity but as we just bought a house- funds wouldn't stretch that far... and I thought I may be able to raise the funds but when the wife found me putting an ad to sell the kids on ebay, well....let's just say it didn't go ahead!

Both are going to very good custodians and I will watch closely (as I'm sure you will all know!) One day maybe I shall join the fold but now I shall live the dream through Diana and the "other custodian" !! (who by the way is well chuffed he got one!)

digger


oh and ps:-
WHAT IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN A WAR VETERAN GUNBUGGY?

MMMMMMMMMMMM A SNAKE GUNBUGGY!! MMMMMMMMM

[Dinty]

G'day All, Hey Di, it's way too much work for you, I'll do the right thing and kill the snake then take it off your hands for you, so you can concentrate on that big 4x4 LOl;):p:D and it would be good company for mine!!, cheers Dennis

[Shonky]

...but since you haven't got any room, Dennis, I'll have to take it off your hands! :D

[Mick_Marsh]

...but since you haven't got any room, Dennis, I'll have to take it off your hands! :D
And you can put it somewhere?
I can put it next to the 101. There's always room for just one more.
I'll be up with my trailer.
What's the address?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

well well well all too much envy for me! ;)

If we can get Dinty to journey South for a day we may be able to have a secret gun buggy rendezvous. Perhaps at an All British Day.

There is: RNSW Lancer's
AAMME's
Dinty's
Our undisclosed friend's
One stored at a well known Sydney LR Repairer's
Mine
and one owned by another member of AAVA.Digger and Mick - gun buggies are getting to be as common as muck!

[Mick_Marsh]

I know of another south of Adelaide.
Do we know how many were made?

[The ho har's]

well well well all too much envy for me! ;)

If we can get Dinty to journey South for a day we may be able to have a secret gun buggy rendezvous. Perhaps at an All British Day.

There is: RNSW Lancer's
AAMME's
Dinty's
Our undisclosed friend's
One stored at a well known Sydney LR Repairer's
Mine
and one owned by another member of AAVA.Digger and Mick - gun buggies are getting to be as common as muck!


You have only mentioned a few down south, what about the ones in QLD:)

and agreed as common as muck:o:D

Mrs hh:angel:

[digger]

I know of another south of Adelaide.
Do we know how many were made?

ke? :o


I believe 73 (x 6005b census) (?number by me from arns hopefully correct) were made...each one crafted with love! - and incl at least 1 poss raaf example.

[digger]

G'day All, Hey Di, it's way too much work for you, I'll do the right thing and kill the snake then take it off your hands for you, so you can concentrate on that big 4x4 LOl;):p:D and it would be good company for mine!!, cheers Dennis

no!!:(

...but since you haven't got any room, Dennis, I'll have to take it off your hands!

no!!!:o


And you can put it somewhere?
I can put it next to the 101. There's always room for just one more.
I'll be up with my trailer.
What's the address?

:angrylock:NOOOOO!!!!! :mad:



Mine mine mine mine mine!!...I mean, ....please consider me first!:eek:



back to reality.... cant wait to see more photos!

[Lotz-A-Landies]

You have only mentioned a few down south, what about the ones in QLD:)

and agreed as common as muck:o:D

Mrs hh:angel:I only mentioned the few within an easy drive for a one day event!

While Glen and Neil would be more than welcome, it would be lot to ask, although, that said: how many make up a squadron of gun buggies? Maybe that should be our aim.

Diana :o

[The ho har's]

I only mentioned the few within an easy drive for a one day event!

While Glen and Neil would be more than welcome, it would be lot to ask, although, that said: how many make up a squadron of gun buggies? Maybe that should be our aim.

Diana :o


what a top idea and the other isn't too far away;) maybe planing is the key;):D

I can say this as I don't own one yet;)

Mrs hh:angel:

[digger]

what a top idea and the other isn't too far away;) maybe planing is the key;):D

I can say this as I don't own one yet;)

Mrs hh:angel:

MMMMMMMMMMM feeling pressure Carolyn!!MMMMMMMMMMM

just for info I read it as 12 gunbuggies... (mmmmm gunbuggies mmmm :) ) owned by REMLR members BEFORE these latest two are counted. so total in REMLR hands = something like 14
I count 6 (maybe 7 but definately 6) listed as museum exhibits.... so now = 20
I count 2 as sent to PNG (assumed not returned?) so now = 22
I count 2 more listed as wrecked or located as wreck so now = 24

People must know of them out there... a bit like the workshops, theyre slowly surfacing...

I was told of one on a banana plantation used for a spraying plant (! :o:( ) but owner not interested in sell or trading etc a few years ago, I do not know where (except qld) or who owns it so cant help further....

so 24 out of 73....there ARE a lot more out there somewhere!

(I only want 1??!! :) out of the 49 or so out there somewhere!!)

[zulu Delta 534]

I know the whereabouts of five of the little critters within 20 minutes of my place.
1 x S2a registered,
1 x S2 pretty close to registerable and 90% restored,
1 x S2a goer but sitting in a yard and owned by someone who doesn't know what it is as is NOT about to be told what it is by myself or my acquaintances, and
2 x S2a unrestored. These last two have appeared on this site before.
Regards
Glen

[ROUGHIE]

112-725 88 00.06.1963 - Series 2A 6005B Truck, Utility, 1/4 Ton, GS, Fitted For Rifle 106mm 25145601D 24303898B - SA. 'Fitted For Rifle 106mm'. ANZACsteel archive. Milan missile
Used to be owned by me in the mid 90'S.

I have just learnt that it now resides in New Zealand. The new owner put in a diesel early on, and is now converting it back to the 2 1/4. It still had it's Camo paint from the Army and the name ASSASSIN on the guards. It is still in orginal condition exept engine.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Emmet has been recovered and is sitting outside my house at the moment! :)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1254.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1255.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1256.jpg

Chris the previous owner is now down to only I ex-RFS S2a but seems pleased that both buggies are on the road for restoration.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1257.jpg

Having a close look at the vehicle there is evidence of the AUSCAM Camouflage Tan.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1258.jpg

and with the black over painting its possible the last in-service paint scheme was the three colour AUSCAM.

As for the rest/rejuv, a few bits are damaged and will need replacement, like the instrument panel and the blackout switch.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1259.jpg

What I have noticed are a few locations where there are pairs of holes, almost as if webbing straps were affixed. Any Ideas????

Also given that there is no convoy headlamp on the guard fronts like Numpty's I'm wondering the convoy headlamp could have been on the brushguard? There seems to the a brown/yellow wire clamped to the chassis side rail behind the bumper. Could this be the wire for the convoy lamp?

The other issue is the exhaust manifold. It is one of the very early manifolds off the Command recon that does a "U" turn and goes out the mudguard.

[Dinty]

G'day All, Diana, that Blackout switch is correct, see my dash
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/BuggyBitz023.jpg't=1301737488
as for the front convoy light, all the Gunbuggies I have seen have had it mounted on the sloping face RHS wing as shown in this pic
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/Xmasrespects004.jpg't=1301737566
and just for interest sake, here is a pic of the ??cab?? unmolested 100%
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
I noticed that your Oil pressure gauge is showing approx 40psi, was?? the engine running at the time of photo? or is the instrument US, cheers Dennis:angel:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks for that Dennis, I thought the blackout would be the non-oven switch type.

Re: the oil pressure, would you believe I was pre priming the oil before start? I guess it's US, there was an instrument fitter over at Penshurst who restored these things, hope he is still in business!

I looked for evidence of the convoy lamp being fitted in the same place as Numpty's but found naught. That was when I found the wire under a saddle clamp at the side of the chassis and why I thought it was possible that the lamp was fitted to the brushguard like the SIII. What colour are your convoy lamp wires?

Any ideas about the pairs of holes?

[zulu Delta 534]

Most of these vehicles would have seen the three tinted Auscam in their later days, I know that Onslow did.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1251.jpg
The fact that they stayed in service so long would have seen them progress from their original DBG through to Olive Drab (and if they went to SVN then that is the colour that they would have served in) through to the later Auscam.
I can't speak for Light Horse or other Armoured units that used them, but in Infantry they were more or less classed as a weapon rather than a vehicle as far as maintenance and upkeep was concerned and in the case of, let's say for example, a replacement diff being fitted, this would often have been done "in House" rather than through the stricter workshop environment under which most vehicles were maintained, hence there exist a great number of anomolies.
I have mentioned earlier in other posts on these vehicles that originally they were not fitted with recovery CES carriers on their mudguards, but rather had their own unique CES carriers fitted in the rear tub. As inevitable damage occurred and repairs were required in later life the army spare parts animal would not have held in stock enough specific common body parts for these vehicles, so a standard mil mudguard would have been cut down and adapted in many cases. This was pretty common practice.
Also the distances to be travelled on exercises back home here in Australia would have demanded a lot of spare parts, spare tyres, spare fuel and water to be carried simply to keep the vehicle moving hence extra fuel/water can carriers were often fitted plus other oddities to carry various odds and sods; things that were not originally included in the design of the vehicle, as it was envisaged as a weapon to operate fairly close to its home base and handy to a resupply source. These odds and sods would have been stripped off the vehicle once a "base" had been set up and the vehicle would then have operated as designed.

My front blackout is fitted on an angled bracket that bolts to the guard enabling the limited light from this device to actually show on the ground, but as I said earlier in the field, whatever fits, fits.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1252.jpg

Diana, whilst on the subject of Emmet, take a real close look at the photograph on "the other gunbuggy" thread that Dinty posted up of a gunbuggy taken from 'Anzac Steel' site, and see what you can make of that ARN!!!!

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Glen, examining edges of the image from ANZAC Steel, I have an opinion that the ARN is either 112-731 or one in the 112-72*/113-72* series. My reason is that the spacings indicate that there is a 6th digit obstructed by the bar and not the 4th.

The 4th digit has a point at the top Rt and a straight angled line in the bottom Rt - the only digit that complies with those 2 elements is a "7"

The 5th digit has a round top, without detail in the top/Lt and probably a corner at the bottom Lt, making a "2" or "3" (I thought most likely a "2" ).

The 6th digit is fully obstructed by the vertical element of the brushguard. This suggests to me a narrow digit, therefore a "1" and from the REMLR list hence my best bet being 112-731 (and not what I determined to be Numpty's or in fact Onslow or Emmet :BigCry: ).

Regarding Emmet

The pairs of holes have corresponding pairs about 200mm away and are duplicated on each side. There is one set just behind the front panel, a second set mid guard and the third set just in front of the firewall They are filled with black "rock art" paint so drilled before the faux indigenous painting ? in-service.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/10/451.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/10/452.jpg

Could they be webbing straps to hold cam netting or something?

The wire on the side of the chassis:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1248.jpg

Roughie: Do you know where I can get a good Holden engine to fit to Emmet? :D

Others will be pleased to know that the clutch issue doesn't seem to be present today, although I have found a short where the wire for the horn runs under the indicator drum thingo. I keep tooting the horn - which works! :)

[korg20000bc]

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/BuggyBitz006-1.jpg't=1301737651


That ammo box under in the passenger footwell... Is it just a handy cubby for needful items in lieu of a glovebox or something else?

Good idea, that.

[ellard]

Hi there Diana

Good to see you got it home safe & sound, I will call you later this arvo regarding your telephone request.......as i may be able to help.

They are a very unique peice of military history.

All the best

PS - those pictures you posted are huge......

Wayne

[zulu Delta 534]

That ammo box under in the passenger footwell... Is it just a handy cubby for needful items in lieu of a glovebox or something else?

Good idea, that.

That box was for stowage of rations. These vehicles carried a crew of four people when in service and these men were fully equipped with enough equipment, gear and ammo to stay out for a couple of days at a time.
Space was a treasured commodity and everything that was necessary had its own stowage space.
This shot was taken whilst 6RAR (5 RAR wore a yellow ribbon laced around their giggle hats) was loading to go out on an op in 1967
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1245.jpg
See this site for a further general description of the vehicles: What Makes This a Gunbuggy ? - REMLR (http://www.remlr.com/what-gunbuggy.html)
Regards
Glen

[Lotz-A-Landies]

<snip>
PS - those pictures you posted are huge......

WayneThanks for your best wishes.

I'm still getting used to a Christmas pressie camera. The images were taken at 12 MegaPixel so I reduced them on Photobucket to 1 Mb and they still displayed very large. I then reduced the size to 320 X 240 and they seemed small on the screen, so I re-loaded the original images and modified the post. The images only displayed over 2/3 of my screen last night

As they are too large, I'll edit them on Photobucket. :(

Diana

[Lotz-A-Landies]

There are no piccys so this didn't happen today. :rulez:

Today was spend at a 16th birthday party with Shonky; Master Chief; Senior Chief, Junior Chief and SWIMBOs + the annuant and a bunch of other Landy Nutters.

What I acquired was a most interesting gun-buggy brushguard. It came of a vehicle named Tommy the Tank Chaser (Buster see post below), which now lives in the central west. The guard has in-service mods that were in place when purchased at auction by Warwick Lord.

What's unusual is that the guard has a spare wheel mount in front of the LHS mudguard and a horizontal jerry can holder behind the RHS.

Owing to the rules that this didn't happen, any comments or photos people may have of similar while appreciated are not expected.

[master chief]

Hello Diana,

It was called Thomas the tank chaser.
I believe it was bought at auction by Warwick, not 100% sure on that.

Justin.

[digger]

What I acquired was a most interesting gun-buggy brushguard. It came of a vehicle named Tommy the Tank Buster, which now lives in the central west. The guard has in-service mods that were in place when purchased at auction by Warwick Lord.

What's unusual is that the guard has a spare wheel mount in front of the LHS mudguard and a horizontal jerry can holder behind the RHS.

Diana,

So if I understand this, you have the guard therefore YOU CAN TAKE AND POST A PHOTO??? but as part of the WANDA* group you won't?

:((*=World Against Nigel Day Again!):mad:


"horizontal jerry can holder behind the RHS." so similar to the racks mounted on back of "accos" ? or to those I have seen on lightweight photos (but on back wheel area?)

"spare wheel mount in front of the LHS mudguard"How would a tyre mounted on LHS front affect headlight? (I assume would partly cover it) and wouldn't this defeat the purpose for the cut guards to start with? putting the spare in the 'blast' area? (yes I am aware they were also used for other purposes but if it was called "tank buster" I'm assuming still 106 mounted...)

I would love to see some kind of photo of this set up.... any kind...cheers...

[digger]

Hello Diana,

It was called Tommy the tank chaser.
I believe it was bought at auction by Warwick, not 100% sure on that.

Justin.

Ahhh, GP, JP, MC, BA, ET etc:D;)


are you part of WANDA also?:o

had this info and have been sitting on it....
I am unsure if you are aware but I have a passing interest in gunbuggies!

Cheers
Digger

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The rules are that if the photos weren't taken then it didn't happen!

It's 23:00 hrs I was in bed so I had to put on a mini-burka (it's Arncliffe after all) and go out to the car and take images.

The bar is lying face down, so these are the best you will get. :mad:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1200.jpg

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https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1202.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1203.jpg

[zulu Delta 534]

The spare tyre mount, but alas I can't find one of the jerry can holder.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1167.jpg
Regards
Glen

[digger]

The spare tyre mount, but alas I can't find one of the jerry can holder.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1167.jpg
Regards
Glen

Ahhh Thanks Diana :arms: and Glen! :D

The photo is interesting, (note the standard type tool holders on guards?)
I still wonder what damage the tyre would sustain when the 106 was fired!

Gawd, I love an action shot too, Thanks!!


MMMMMMMMMM action gunbuggy!! MMMMMMMM

[Lotz-A-Landies]

<snip>
The photo is interesting, (note the standard type tool holders on guards?)
<snip>
MMMMMMMMMM action gunbuggy!! MMMMMMMMDigger

Both Numpty's and my Emmet have the tool holders on the mudguards, while Glen's Onslow the ARN immediately before Emmet has them in the rear tub. :confused:

I wonder if the spare tyre arrangement was a particular unit mod and which corps/unit it was?

[Rusty Bulkhead]

The spare tyre mount, but alas I can't find one of the jerry can holder.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1167.jpg
Regards
Glen

Congratulations on the aquisition Diana :)

The brush bar wheel mount on the Gunbuggy in the image above is different from the one photographed in the back of Dianas car. Through the centre of the wheel, you can see the shadow of the tyre lugs on the front guard panel. I suspect therefore that the hastily engineered mount is made up of two bolts welded to the brush bar rather than a plate mounted arrangement.

Just an observation :)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I believe the spare wheel mount from Thomas the Tank Chaser centers the wheel lower down which may not obstruct the LH headlamp, but I rather suspect it will impinge upon approach angle quite a lot.

Not that it will do a lot of serious off-road work, but Emmet will frequently approach a car float.

[master chief]

Hello All,
Diana, looking back at what i posted last night i notice in my sleepy state of last night that i got the name wrong to, once and for all, it is THOMAS THE TANK CHASER.

Thats better.

Justin.

[master chief]

Ahhh, GP, JP, MC, BA, ET etc:D;)


are you part of WANDA also?:o

had this info and have been sitting on it....
I am unsure if you are aware but I have a passing interest in gunbuggies!

Cheers
Digger

Who's BA, I do know who ET is, He's the chap who phoned home wasn't he?.

UP until recent times i had a large number of gunbuggy bits sitting in the shed. didn't think anyone would be interested in them so chucked them!.:o

Just joking Dig:eek:, they went to another member to help in rebuilding his GB.
I did actually put them up for sale on the forum and got no interest, how things have changed.

Regards

The Pig who could.

[master chief]

OH, And to really hijack Dianas Thread, WANDA was a fish.

Regards

I'm not Shonky!.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

<snip> Thread, WANDA was a fish.
<snip>No Wanda is a beach!

[digger]

Just enquiring, are ONSLOWs tool holders from an FFR?
(would make sense as in why reinvent the wheel..)


(hey what a coincidence, Im the pig who tried!!)

[Shonky]

The pig that could perhaps, but you were the pig that didn't for a few days there! :eek: (weren't we all?)

Keep trying Pigger. I mean Digger.

...you'll figure out how to do it eventually. :D

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Pulled the brushguard out of "Vague" and sat it on "Emmett". The bar itself is in rather poor condition with a kink halfway across the vehicle and in relation to the vehicle body is rather narrow.

The modifications are of very rough quality, which would need re-welding in some cases. The fit is a bit hard to tell as it is sitting on a non standard bar which sits the bar too close to the body.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1140.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1141.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1142.jpg

Will see how it comes up after sand blasting and repair.

Looking at other SIIa the bar is the correct width, the non original bar exaggerating the bar width. It also seems there is a bracket for the convoy lamp under the jerry can holder.

[digger]

Looking at other SIIa the bar is the correct width, the non original bar exaggerating the bar width. It also seems there is a bracket for the convoy lamp under the jerry can holder.

Looks like the answers are coming now faster and faster!!

Appears maybe it is the right bar for that particular vehicle too! starting to sound like fate etcetc!!

Cheers!
Digger

(ps - is that trailer chained down?? :twisted::twisted:Just wondering :angel:


hey, while its still on the trailer its not to late to sell it to me at a knock down price....just a thought! :) )

[Lotz-A-Landies]

<snip>
hey, while its still on the trailer its not to late to sell it to me at a knock down price....just a thought! :) )I suppose you also want it delivered? :D

[Shonky]

...to my house. ;)

[digger]

I suppose you also want it delivered? :D

I'll even shout you an SA beer or some wonderful SA wine when you arrive!!

maybe a BBQ with yabbies, salt bush mutton and with pie floaters too!

(then some farmers union ice coffee chasers! :) )


(shonky thanks for the offer of having Diana drop Emmet to your place so you could hook him up to Ambrose making it easier for me to collect both at once but...I'll pop in for Ambrose another time!!:angel: - thanks again --so kind of you!)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I'll even shout you an SA beer or some wonderful SA wine when you arrive!!
<snip>No SA beer until I can have a Cooper and Daughter's, It may have been Cooper and Sons and now Coopers Brewery, but given the last generation was a female of the family, I'm boycotting them till the name is corrected! :D ;)

I don't think you'd want Emmett. Today I've bee sanding back the paint and it seems that sometime while in the army the previous paint was removed with an angle grinder, the bodywork is a myriad of random semi-circular hills and hollows. It's pretty close to being 3 cubic metres of bog or a replacement tub. Both of the front outer guards have serious damage and would be better if replaced also. :BigCry:

Anyone have a couple of good cut guards with damage at the front corner? What about an 88" tub with damage at the very back?

ADDIT: A bit more work this afternoon, the reinforcing mesh has been removed from the brush guard, looks much better already. Have also started to remove the platform fitted to the rear of the body. Just needed to check with other GB piccys to see if there is an angle iron running the full width of the body. Would have been a disaster if I removed it when it was meant to be there.

[digger]

re coopers, this is in last years agm notes
 MELANIE COOPER JOINING THE BOARD OF COOPERS WITH THE RETIREMENT OF BILL COOPER OAM. I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE HER ON THIS ACHIEVEMENT.
 KEEPING THE GENDER BALANCE IN CHECK WE ALSO WELCOMED RACHEL COOPER CASSERLY TO THE BREWERY IN THE ROLE OF BRAND MARKETING COORDINATOR.
RACHEL IS THE FIRST OF THE SIXTH GENERATION TO JOIN US. RACHEL IS ON MATERNITY LEAVE LOOKING AFTER THE 7TH GENERATION.

*** there are still 4 5th generation involved (all males!) who didnt call it coopers and sons, that was done in the 1800's! but just highlighting the above to show that the ladies are slowly moving in! (I doubt they'd want it changed either by the way!)

anyway back to Emmett:-

sad to hear that... dont dump those panels until the others are perfected!!


(MMM starts thinking, could steal gunbuggy 1 x panel at a time!! MMMM today the front off side guard panel, tomorrow the world!!! <<insert evil laugh here-thankyou>>> )


this also means that you can make a step by step -well photographed and all measurements etc included instruction manual (insert into "what makes a gunbuggy" thread? ) as you go?? (making a good thing from a bad etc!)

[numpty]

Let me know what you remove at the back Diana, as I intend to do that with mine when next we are in company:p (the gunbuggy and I that is)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Well the extension platform has been removed.

Firstly I cut a vertical through the flat bar that ran the full length from one side to the other. Next a "V"into the primary cuts. The whole platform was them placed under strain upwards into the V with a pair of ratchet straps. The welds on the top side of the angle irons to the chassis outriggers were cut through. But alas no movement! :(

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/670.jpg

Investigated the underside to find some reo-bar welded to the chassis. Cut at strategic locations and the whole platform popped up. Then was a simple task of cracking the remaining welds.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/669.jpg

Unfortunately it started raining and the last thing you want to do is use electric power tools in the rain.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/671.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/672.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/673.jpg

The remaining bars will have to wait till another day.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/12/814.jpg

There have been a number of fittings that have met their demise at the hands of previous owners. Particularly ones that mounted the 106, the decision will now be whether they get replicated and re-fitted.

[Dinty]

G'day All, I hope that doesn't come to being, but if I have to I will as I need my 110, maybe Diana would buy it for spares for 'Emmett' :(:angel:
then you wouldn't have to worry about replicating anything;) anyway as I nervously wait for news on the fate of DDM110's engine:( cheers Dennis:wasntme:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

At the rear LHS of the tub footwell hidden on the inside of the back panel, there is a rectangular box, which is bolted through the panel.

You can see the two bolts on this image. Between the triangular bracket and the row of rivets.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/669.jpg

Any ideas what it is for?

[The ho har's]

Diana

I see you have conveniently left Emmet on the trailer for digger to pick up:)

Mrs hh:angel:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Diana

I see you have conveniently left Emmet on the trailer for digger to pick up:)

Mrs hh:angel:Yes I've been waiting for a fortnight for him to arrive, even told him the ball size and brake system.

Actually, it's because I have to reorganise my garage so Emmett can live inside for his resto and at the moment I don't have sufficient space to have Emmett, Ffreddy, Mary Austin, the Haulmark, Tooby and the car trailer on their own footprint in my driveway and yard. Avis, Vague and my housemate's Pug 207 are all on the street.

Diana

[isuzutoo-eh]

At least Ikea will be easy to store, being flat packed!

[Lotz-A-Landies]

At least Ikea will be easy to store, being flat packed!Ikea is waiting at the warehouse yet to be delivered, yes still flat packed. I am looking for the correct allen key! :D

Actually, Ikea originally a V8 will be re-assembled with a 4BD1 (hopefully turbo if I can get all the manifold bits etc), but I am blocked because the person doing the engine mount and other chassis changes isn't ready and the LT85 I've bought and paid for hasn't been removed from the vehicle by the PO. :mad:

[isuzutoo-eh]

Apologies for the hijack of Emmet's thread...is Ikea one of the imported cherry picker conversions?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Apologies for the hijack of Emmet's thread...is Ikea one of the imported cherry picker conversions?Wot, Like this:

http://ww3.powerlineman.com/pictures/data/500/medium/Landrover6_ScanPic.jpg

Not anymore! (Since Ikea got a hold of it)

[digger]

Yes I've been waiting for a fortnight for him to arrive, even told him the ball size and brake system.

Actually, it's because I have to reorganise my garage so Emmett can live inside for his resto and at the moment I don't have sufficient space to have Emmett, Ffreddy, Mary Austin, the Haulmark, Tooby and the car trailer on their own footprint in my driveway and yard. Avis, Vague and my housemate's Pug 207 are all on the street.

Diana

MMMMMM, I can help alleviate that problem...

I'll give you $1500 for emmet (and $40 FOR THE CAR TRAILER !!)

:D

Digger - "always here to help!"

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Went over to the Cust hut at the SME Museum today to have a close up look at their buggy.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/621.jpg

The good thing is that on the rear chassis only the loops to hold down the 106 mount have been removed.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/622.jpg

But what is missing are the gun crutch and the ramp for the front wheel of the gun mount.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/623.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/624.jpg

Also missing are the little box on the back of the transom.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/625.jpg

And the box between the front seats.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/626.jpg

Also the bars that retain the 105 shells on Emmett are different to these ones.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/627.jpg

In 112-512 the retainers for the 106 rounds are round bars, the outside end drops into a spring clip catch, but on Emmett they seem to be merely two rectangular loops which would have some sort of flat bar or something? :confused:

[digger]

I assume 112-512 went to the museum straight from service, its beautiful!

did the centre box have a lid?

I should think you'd be able to manufacture that cradle Diana!
(knock up a spare when you do, I think numpty needs one.!)

cheers
digger

[numpty]

I assume 112-512 went to the museum straight from service, its beautiful!

did the centre box have a lid?

I should think you'd be able to manufacture that cradle Diana!
(knock up a spare when you do, I think numpty needs one.!)

cheers
digger

He sure will :p

Will get to look at mine again in 9 days:) and hope to remove the extras.

Perry

[pop058]

He sure will :p

Will get to look at mine again in 9 days:) and hope to remove the extras.

Perry


Don't forget the :rulez: :)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Good news! :):)

Some of the fittings remain in place.

Half of the gun crutch.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/581.jpg

Under the middle seat, the box is present although the ramp for the 106 mount has been cut off.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/582.jpg

But still don't know what this fitting inside the rear LHS of the tub is for?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/583.jpg

It is not present on 112-512. :confused:

I assume 112-512 went to the museum straight from service, its beautiful!

did the centre box have a lid? I believe that 112-512 was transferred to the AAMME direct from service and the 106 subsequently deactivated and issued from Bandiana or Puckapunyl where ever the pieces are held.

Would also like to know whether the box had a lid and what it looks like? :TakeABow:

As to the other bits, if I take the materials, I may be able manufacture them in the workshop with 112-512 alongside as a template. Will have to get permission first.

Diana

[zulu Delta 534]

That little box on the rear looks suspiciously like a rifle stock mount., the same as used in trucks and some other vehicles. Is there a clamp, or signs of a rifle clamp having been fitted further forward of it.
(There should be another rifle clamp on the drivers side rear as well. If I remember correctly the gun crew that rode in the back were both issued with SLRs, as was the crew commdr. The driver used an Owen in the early days and later an F1 9mm. and that was carried alongside the drivers seat standing upwards from a triangular mount on the floor beside the seat base with another barrel clamp fitted up just above where the door catch would have been, had a door been fitted.)
Originally the head of the shovel as well as the axe and pick handles would have nestled in that space. Yours has been retro fitted (probably in service) with the standard 2a guard tops complete with CES mounts (more than likely because that is all that was available as spares on hand to replace the original guards/wings when and if they were damaged) and this has allowed a bit of rearranging of space in the back crew section. Space here was a rare commodity.
The litle bars that hold the ammo in place on either side are a fairly easily and often damaged piece of equipment and I have seen quite a few different designs, varying from unit to unit. Originally this was a simple tubular bar that hinged from the inner side and was held in place with a spring clip mounted towards the outer edge. These tended to turn over on the swivel side sometimes and drop down allowing feral 106 shells to escape, so there was a mod on many buggies where another inverted "u" shaped bar was added to the original single bar, such as yours, to keep the ammo in place.
The other square box mounted on the back of the transome was the 50cal "spotter rifle" ammo box.
The centre box between the seats was always open and unlidded
Regards
Glen

[digger]

Good news! :):)
As to the other bits, if I take the materials, I may be able manufacture them in the workshop with 112-512 alongside as a template. Will have to get permission first.

Diana


That would be the best surely they can appreciate the fact your restoring some history relevant to the place??

By the way, next post is # 8,500!! Congrats!

[Lotz-A-Landies]

That little box on the rear looks suspiciously<snip>
<snip>
The centre box between the seats was always open and unlidded
Regards
Glen8500 whoa :D

Thanks Glen, very informative.

If no lid on the box, did they have grip handles or anything?

On a second topic, when fitted with the M60 pedestal, was the wheel ramp removed?

Diana

[Dinty]

G'day All, Diana if yours was retro fitted with GPMG M60 pedastal mount it would have tell tale holes in the floor. The lid covering the 'cubby box' in between the front seats in my gunbuggy was made from a 'It is an Offence to trespass on Commonwelath land etc etc' you can still read it from the underside of the box.
My gunbuggy doesn't have the ?? rifle butt box in the rear LHS, nor does it have the ramp for the 106 front wheel, but it has most other fittings, if you need anything specific just ask, if I've got it I can measure it for you, cheers Dennis:angel:
ps in your first picture of the barrel mount, is your engine running?? as your Oil pressure guage is showing about 40psi??,,.
pps the cubby box did not have grab handles, it is just a flat piece of material

[zulu Delta 534]

A lot of the M60 mounts were done "in country" and done with whatever was to hand. The two we had in SVN simply had the post welded to the gun front wheel runner, which is in turn mounted to the vehicle by two bolts through the floor at the rear of the runner and a flat plate with four bolts to the bracket that comes off the cross member (through the floor of the "middle seat bin")
The "post" was then fastened with an exhaust clamp to the top rail of the tub transome. Note the two holes in the top rail above the tub 'cut out' bit.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/267.jpg

The above shot is of Onslow and shows the weld mark where the M60 post was welded to the runner. It had been cut off by the time I got it and I was the first one to use him since his discharge, as, after he was auctioned off he sat in a paddock sulking, surrounded by a couple of others of his ilk plus a couple of Saracens and other assorted gear, and then I came along.
This shot also illustrates, in a manner, how the "runner" was fitted to the mount from the cross member that is shown as being cut off in your picture. Your mount looks as though it has simply had the flat plate with four corresponding holes cut off the top of the mounting post, an easy enough fix.
Regards
Glen

[master chief]

Hello All,
Diana re the fitting in the LH rear tub, as Glen has said, is the butt holder for an SLR, When i was at Richmond i had the job of removing these from the mogs and fitting the F88 mounts, if you look at Dads 80" you'll see i fitted one into that, fits a 303 butt very nicely.

I have the clamps for the top to, I can take a pic and post it i you would like.

regards
Justin.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks guys, firstly the only SVN history I have is the comment and broken link on the REMLR gun buggy ARN site. It is only my assumption therefore that it had the M60 pedestal mount. As for archaeological evidence, the missing bits make it difficult to identify what in-country mods may have happened.

Dinty - As a volunteer to the AAMME I have weekly access to 112-512 for measurements and the assistance of ex-RAEME and ex-RAE volies to assist making bits. But thanks for your offer will let you know if something comes up.

MC and Glen - Glen's comment seems to indicate that there should be two butt holders in the tub, however there only seems to be evidence of one. There are other unidentified holes but don't know if they relate to each other.

MC I would be interested in a few of the items if available.

Diana

[zulu Delta 534]

Onslow only has the one clamp on the drivers side rear, no butt holders at all at all, and none on the passenger side as, as mentioned earlier, thats where the gardening tools were.
I do have another clamp and a muzzle holder along the front face of the seat base for the crew Cdr though and the mount for the drivers OMC.
Regards
Glen

[rednjoey]

does anyone have any photos of the M60 pedestal and mount?

[korg20000bc]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/546.jpg

That's my dad.

[zulu Delta 534]

Thats a great shot of the drivers weapon mount too, Korg.
This is possibly the clearest one I have of the mount we used, but unfortunately doesn't show the base mounted section. You can make out the clamp on the tub and also the actual weapon coupling.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/539.jpg
Some units used a different weapon mount that incorporated an ammo feed box as intermittent feed jams were possible with the "swinging belt" situation.
Others (insert RAAF here) used much more sophisticated pieces of equipment fashioned from Iriquois chopper door mounts.
Regards
Glen

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The CES tells us that the PRC10 was the standard radio in the gun buggies. but we also know that the PRC10 was replaced by the 25/77 sets whilst Australian forces were still in Vietnam (American War).

As we know the gun buggies remained in service for a significant period after Vietnam. I have just been sent an image of a strap device to suspend the 25/77 set in the passengers footwell. Has anyone else seen this device in a gun buggy?

[weeds]

As we know the gun buggies remained in service for a significant period after Vietnam.


i am sure 8/9RAR still had one in the early 90's, i seem to remember being at a fire power demonstration in SWBTA where they fired the 106. the talk amounst us armourers was that nobody picked up that the operators UD'd

kinda wish i was more interested at the time and taken some photos instead of working out how much we could fleece the grunts for goffas

[digger]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/546.jpg

That's my dad.

110-786 88 1959 - Series 2 6005B Truck, Utility, 1/4 Ton, GS, Fitted For Rifle 106mm 151915535 143901434 - NSW. VUSD. 'Fitted For Rifle'.
Archive Photo, Vietnam with Gordon Boyd, father of AULRO Korg20000bc, 1rar. 17.06.69 -


just for ID!! (great photo Korg!)

[rednjoey]

Has anyone noticed the position of the sling swivels, every M60 I handled had the rear sling swivel mounted on top of the butt and the front sling swivel mounted diagonally on the LHS of the fore grip. Interesting.....



Thats a great shot of the drivers weapon mount too, Korg.
This is possibly the clearest one I have of the mount we used, but unfortunately doesn't show the base mounted section. You can make out the clamp on the tub and also the actual weapon coupling.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/539.jpg
Some units used a different weapon mount that incorporated an ammo feed box as intermittent feed jams were possible with the "swinging belt" situation.
Others (insert RAAF here) used much more sophisticated pieces of equipment fashioned from Iriquois chopper door mounts.
Regards
Glen

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Mrs HH will be happy to know (and Digger likewise disappointed) that Emmett is off the trailer and has moved to the back yard. He's not into the garage yet as with all the rain lately the soil over the storm water absorption trench is very soft and the last thing I want is to be bogged in the back yard. So further movement's will be restricted to after a good week without rain. :)

Have identified that Emmett is missing the covers over both of the fuel tanks so will be on the look-out for some of those to modify to suit the under-seat filler. Unfortunately the RHS tank has been replaced with a standard SIIa Army tank, so am on the look-out for either a series 1 tank or preferably a gun-buggy tank. Am reluctant to modify the army tank as there are too few of them around, so may end up getting a regular SIIa tank and fitting an 80" S1 filler I have from a very rusty tank.

[korg20000bc]

110-786 88 1959 - Series 2 6005B Truck, Utility, 1/4 Ton, GS, Fitted For Rifle 106mm 151915535 143901434 - NSW. VUSD. 'Fitted For Rifle'.
Archive Photo, Vietnam with Gordon Boyd, father of AULRO Korg20000bc, 1rar. 17.06.69 -


just for ID!! (great photo Korg!)

I was re-reading this info and there is something wrong with the dates. Dad was over there in 1965 but the above info reads 17.06.69 which, from memory, was the 2nd tour that 1RAR did. And he was out of the Army by then.

[digger]

I was re-reading this info and there is something wrong with the dates. Dad was over there in 1965 but the above info reads 17.06.69 which, from memory, was the 2nd tour that 1RAR did. And he was out of the Army by then.

the last date (17-6-69) is the date the army disposed of the vehicle by auction or by writing off etc, so would be correct - that info is taken direct from the 2A ARN info on the REMLR indexes.

so do not panic :) --looks like after your father left the landy didn't want to dangle its dunlops over vietnam any longer so came home too!!

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Looking at the REMLR Gunbuggy ARN page Census 6005B (http://remlr.com/ARN/ARNs_gunbuggys.php) there are quite a few where it mentions "Original chassis was..." (112-256; 112-722; 112-723;112-724; 112-726; ?110-849). We know that a large number of Army Inters that returned from Vietnam got mismatched ARN/chassis number when they came out of the rebuild line.

Might we assume the same of these mismatched gun-buggies, or was it something like the chassis breaking under the weight and shock effects of the 106mm? (One of the other GB in currently under restoration in Sydney had a broken chassis.)

[chazza]

... or was it something like the chassis breaking under the weight and shock effects of the 106mm?

Perhaps so, but the fact that it is a recoilless rifle is why, what is essentially the equivalent of a 4" gun, does not destroy the platform from the jarring of the recoil. :)

Cheers Charlie

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Perhaps so, but the fact that it is a recoilless rifle is why, what is essentially the equivalent of a 4" gun, does not destroy the platform from the jarring of the recoil. :)

Cheers CharlieYes but that doesn't discount the mere weight of the 106 rifle and it's mount, the 106 ammunition, the 50 cal targeting rifle with 50 cal magazines, the 3 crew, their personal weapons, personal ammunition, rat packs, kit, radio and cam netting etc.

[Dinty]

G'day All, Diana I had a brain snap as I was storing the rear springs off 'Wee-Wullie' this morning, you wanted a few snaps of these mounts, well I snapped off a few rounds looking at the RHS rear mount, see attached
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/GunbuggyRHSgunmount007.jpg't=1304819509
another view
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/GunbuggyRHSgunmount004.jpg't=1304819556
hopefully some readable dimensions
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/GunbuggyRHSgunmount005.jpg't=1304819600
another view from above
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/GunbuggyRHSgunmount002.jpg't=1304819645
yet more
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/GunbuggyRHSgunmount001.jpg't=1304819705
and again
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/GunbuggyRHSgunmount005.jpg't=1304819747
more
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/GunbuggyRHSgunmount003.jpg't=1304819802
ho hum LOL
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/GunbuggyRHSgunmount006.jpg't=1304819854
I hope they are of some help cheers Dennis:angel:
ps I doubt very much that the 106 would crack the chassis, maybe driving the Land Rover too hard over rough terrain and heavily loaded as they were, this could have caused the damage to the chassis, but have a look at this clip which was sent to me by a mate in the US a few years ago, the gunbuggy is right at the end of the clip, the Land Rover doesnt move at all "Reciolless" is spot on http://www.defence.gov.au/Army/video/Recon.mpg cheers Dennis

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks Dinty :)

Those mounts look quite different to the ones at AAMME, the little guides are quite a bit more prominent. Will have to investigate whether there is evidence of the mount extending down the side of Emmett's chassis, then make a decision about which ones to replicate.

In relation to the hold down turn-buckle, any chance of an image showing the full length?

Diana

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Tonight Emmett has acquired himself a brand a brand spanker bumper bar and a brand spanker LHS mudguard complete with tool holders. :D :D :D

He's running around the yard ATM tooting his horn and spinning his wheels. (The neighbours are furious, I must fix that horn wire!) ;)

[Dinty]

G'day All, Diana here is a picture of said turnbuckle,
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
the solid bar in the middle is 6" in length, eyes are the same size both ends the thread is 3/8"UNF and I would assume that the turnbuckles are approx 4 1/2" long (without taking them out) hope thats of some help cheers Dennis:angel:

[korg20000bc]

G'day All, Diana here is a picture of said turnbuckle,
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/106turnbuckle.jpg't=1305154411
George (The Animal) Steele's favourite snack
http://www2.wwe.com/content/media/images/Superstars/bio/4904116

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I took off the front wheel over the weekend so I could remove the SII CR exhaust pipe and found it had 10" brakes.

Yes I know 10" brakes are standard on 88" but I thought gun buggies had 11" brakes as part of their re-fit.

Am I mistaken?

Does anyone have a buggy with 11" brakes fitted in service?

(Emmett was painted in AusCam during service so was there a long time not to have had a mod specified for the variantm if indeed it was a specification.)

[Dinty]

G'day All, Diana, every gunbuggy I have seen has had 10" brakes fitted, I know ZD's has 11" brakes but I suspect that they could have been changed after it left/was disposed of, mine however saw out it's days still in service, but not carrying a weapon, and it still has 10" brakes, cheers Dennis:angel:
ps I don't claim to know anything about nothing, but just my observations,,.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

...
Regarding Emmet

The pairs of holes have corresponding pairs about 200mm away and are duplicated on each side. There is one set just behind the front panel, a second set mid guard and the third set just in front of the firewall They are filled with black "rock art" paint so drilled before the faux indigenous painting ? in-service.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/10/451.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/10/452.jpg

Could they be webbing straps to hold cam netting or something?

...I was working on my Mk3 out at the chook shed today. Parked next to the truck was cookey's Wynns Safari Peugeot, on the bonnet were leather straps holding the bonned to the guard.

When I measured the two screws they were 13.5mm apart.

When I got home I measured the pairs of holes on Emmett's guards, they were about 14mm apart.

I wonder if the holes were leather straps of the same type as on cookey's Peugeot?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I purchased a crate of mixed service parts from the recent Graysonline auction of items from the SME Museum. While I'm a volunteer there I had no idea of the contents of the crate and only placed a bid on the item because there appeared to be Land Rover and International exhaust parts as well as a Land Rover fuel tank.

Was I pleasantly surprised when scavanging through the crate when I found replacement glass for the gunbuggy aeroscreens? :) To top it off they are the original type glass with bevelled edge not the replacement laminated glass.

Now all I have to find is the bottom retainer frame.

[digger]

I purchased a crate of mixed service parts from the recent Graysonline auction of items from the SME Museum. While I'm a volunteer there I had no idea of the contents of the crate and only placed a bid on the item because there appeared to be Land Rover and International exhaust parts as well as a Land Rover fuel tank.

Was I pleasantly surprised when scavanging through the crate when I found replacement glass for the gunbuggy aeroscreens? :) To top it off they are the original type glass with bevelled edge not the replacement laminated glass.

Now all I have to find is the bottom retainer frame.

So you are saying Emmet may be old but now he has the correct glasses he is looking better?

MMM gunbuggy aero screens MMM!!!

(photos, measurements etc ... you know the rule!)