(only) $3250 premium for new Territory diesel

[WhiteD3]

New Territory to charge $3250 for diesel model (http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/3250-premium-for-new-territory-diesel-20110405-1d00s.html)

Only $3250 more in the Territory but when I bought the D3 V6 in 2007 it was 14k diff between the V6 and TDV6. Go figure........

[Camo]

Not bad for the money! My brother wants to buy a new pajero.. will try and convince him to wait and get a diesel territory

Camo

[VladTepes]

Yes but it will still be a $60K plus car for the diesel Ghia. Which is a lot for a liftd Falcon, with no genuine off road ability.

Would go like the clappers though.

[loanrangie]

Yes but it will still be a $60K plus car for the diesel Ghia. Which is a lot for a liftd Falcon, with no genuine off road ability.

Would go like the clappers though.

A couple of ford workers we know who live nearby have been driving a tdv6 territory around and they are quite impressed with the power and economy which is not suprising since it would be nearly half the weight of a D3.

[Neil P]

The price is no surprise . Cast your mind back to the early eighties ;
diesel LC were not much more that petrol because only farmers drove 'em.
Then came along JoePublic ( aka Idiots ) and the milking/BS began ...............

[Bushwanderer]

Not bad for the money! My brother wants to buy a new pajero.. will try and convince him to wait and get a diesel territory

Camo
Hi Camo,
Why would you do that? Will he be only using it on-road?

I think that many will agree that a Pajero is a better off-road vehicle than a Territory, no matter what the motor.

Best Wishes,
Peter

[dobbo]

Hi Camo,
Why would you do that? Will he be only using it on-road?

I think that many will agree that a Pajero is a better off-road vehicle than a Territory, no matter what the motor.

Best Wishes,
Peter


How many D3's or D4's or RRS are used on anything more than a dirty road. Not many.

[Camo]

Hi Camo,
Why would you do that? Will he be only using it on-road?

I think that many will agree that a Pajero is a better off-road vehicle than a Territory, no matter what the motor.

Best Wishes,
Peter

Nah no real 4x4ing.. just needs a shopping trolley for the wife and a car which can tow his Jayco Eagle camper around. Would have to be a 4WD one though.

I reckon this car would fly compared to a D3. Be a great unit for what he wants. Pajero specs are good.. but have you had a good look at one :eek: fugly!

Camo

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

Not bad for the money! My brother wants to buy a new pajero.. will try and convince him to wait and get a diesel territory

Camo :pyep, both are softroaders:p

[gromit]

Have provisionally placed an order for the Terri Diesel (work car) and was waiting to hear the 'premium' that would be charged.
I will look at the runout model vs a diesel before making a decision although I keep the car for 4 years then the wife gets it for 4 years plus my employer is on my back about the fuel consumption of the petrol Terri.

Still the only 7-seater with child restraint points in the 3rd row so it's the only car that suits the family & work.

Hopeless ground clearance (the Holden Adventra was better) but a great tow car, it's only downfall was the fuel consumption which will be fixed with the diesel. Gas is an option but on the 7-seater you cannot easily carry a spare wheel.

Colin

[Busman]

The car will still loose more value than even a Landrover.:eek:
Most Fords do.
Hate to buy a glorified Falcon IMHO.:angel:
The new Diesel engine may be a small saving grace.

[mowog]

I owned a Territory SY Ghia AWD for 3 years and now the D4 for just over a year.

Some observations.

Front seats were far more comfortable in the Territory.
Rear seats were also far more comfortable in the Territory. (mine was a 5 seater)

The steering and handling were better in the Territory.

Off road work well yes the Territory is a soft roader but so are 99% of the population. I did my fair share of rock hopping and river crossings in the Territory. It did the job ok.

Would I own another Territory over the D4 no way.

[ozscott]

I know the D3/D4 is having (when the ks get up) its share of expensive balljoint replacements, but arent the Territories worse with VERY expensive repairs at lower k's. Do they get rack rattle?

Cheers

[big guy]

My wifes best friend had a Territory Turbo and may I say, having driven it its absolutely freakish fast and very comfortable.

The only real issue is that when all is said and done, it sounds just like driving in a taxi on the way to work till you put the boot in it and you don't hear the transmission whine etc.
She traded it in on a X5 petrol and got a wicked trade in. She looked at the D3/4 but BMW sold her on reliability and resale etc.

Her Territory averaged 12L/100km average even when I had it for a week.

[gromit]

I know the D3/D4 is having (when the ks get up) its share of expensive balljoint replacements, but arent the Territories worse with VERY expensive repairs at lower k's. Do they get rack rattle?

Cheers

Most of the Terri balljoint replacements were done under warranty. From memory about $130 per side plus fitting, mine were fixed FOC 4 days outside the 3 year warranty....

Colin

[gromit]

My wifes best friend had a Territory Turbo and may I say, having driven it its absolutely freakish fast and very comfortable.

The only real issue is that when all is said and done, it sounds just like driving in a taxi on the way to work till you put the boot in it and you don't hear the transmission whine etc.
She traded it in on a X5 petrol and got a wicked trade in. She looked at the D3/4 but BMW sold her on reliability and resale etc.

Her Territory averaged 12L/100km average even when I had it for a week.

With the std Terri sales repping In metro Melbourne I get between 14 & 17 litres per hundred :eek:
A friend has an X5 diesel and was very impressed with it until we started comparing service costs.....it may depreciate faster but running costs (petrol excluded) are much lower.
I guess it all comes down to personal choice......




Colin

[Reads90]

I used to have a Hyundai ix 35 as a company . But due to a bad back , HSE , SHE , the car was sent back to PACBRAND after 5 months with 30,000 ks on it and now I have a hire car. A holden SV6 this is only until the territory Diesel is out when we will be getting them as company cars

So I can't wait for the territory diesel to come out as a get anew car

[tempestv8]

I reckon the Territory will be a run away success for Ford.

If I were comparing a Ford softroader with a Holden softroader, the Captiva diesel really isn't a patch on the Terri diesel.

The Ford is simply a far better proposition.

[ADMIRAL]

Unless they have changed something dramatic in the suspension, it is still basically a Falcon, and if you would not tow a van, or drive a Falcon over rough roads, doing so in Territory could lead to premature failure of undercar components. I see the evidence of this week in week out. In the trade the Territory is known as the 'Aussie Jeep'
They do drive nicer than a 'true ' 4WD, but trying to emulate a Cruiser, Patrol or Disco in a Territory, is a mistake. Used as a suburban shopping trolley ( a la a Falcon ) no problem.

Mind you, I see Xtrail and Hyundai owners trying to emulate Cruisers etc, as well. Not a unique trait of Territory owners.

[Reads90]

Unless they have changed something dramatic in the suspension, it is still basically a Falcon, and if you would not tow a van, or drive a Falcon over rough roads, doing so in Territory could lead to premature failure of undercar components. I see the evidence of this week in week out. In the trade the Territory is known as the 'Aussie Jeep'
They do drive nicer than a 'true ' 4WD, but trying to emulate a Cruiser, Patrol or Disco in a Territory, is a mistake. Used as a suburban shopping trolley ( a la a Falcon ) no problem.

Mind you, I see Xtrail and Hyundai owners trying to emulate Cruisers etc, as well. Not a unique trait of Territory owners.

As a company we used to have territories in fact still have a few of the old straight 6's

My boss here in Qld had one until last week. It was 3.5 year old one with 396000ks on it. It did this all round Qld and even though I am not a ford lover ( and don't think much of holdens either before we get onto that argument) I did think that car was inpressave as it did not miss a heart beat the whole time

[Wilbur]

Hi all,

We are currently touring New Zealand, and here on the South Island we have rented a Ford Territory AWD and to my astonishment it is a delight to drive. The chassis dynamics and steering have absolutely nothing in common with Falcons or Commodors, with their wooden steering and feel-free brakes. One really can throw this thing around, and New Zealand has the roads for it! Great fun.

On the North Island they gave us a Toyota 4WD and it was absolutely dreadful to drive. For the first time in my motoring life I chose to walk around the areas we were staying instead of doing day trips in the car. When they tried to give us another one on the South Island we jacked up, cancelled the booking and went with Hertz who had the Territory.

Cheers all,

Paul

[gromit]

The last company I worked for used them to tow large industrial sweepers to demonstrations. Typically 1 to 1.5 tons towed round metro Melbourne and also often on country runs.
I've towed a big trailer with a Series 1 Land Rover on it from NSW down to Melbourne. Once the electric brake unit was set up properly you could easily forget the trailer was there......until you watched the fuel gauge :eek:.
The diesel will solve the fuel issues and put Ford back on top in this market sector.

The Terri is also relatively cheap to run (petrol & tyres excluded). Just fitted new front discs and pads myself, cost was $180. Tyres were a problem at first because the only ones available with the correct load rating were the original fitment Goodyears. There are more available now but are about $200 per corner.

I'll keep my Defender for the off-road stuff, the Terri is a road car that is OK on gravel. It also suits my family needs because we have 5 kids and need 3rd row seating with the child restraint points.

Colin

[jerryd]

Let's hope that they've sorted out the the issues concerning the "bushes" and ball joints, not to mention drive shafts........central locking, electrics, rear door problems,air con,electric windows, steering................

I had all our bushes replaced at a cost of thousands of dollars, only to be recently told that rear bushes need replacing again :eek::eek:
In fact the service manager at Ford recommended that we get rid of it, $12k trade in :D

Would I buy another.............

[ozscott]

Yep - I had heard they were thousands to do the bushes in them.

Cheers

[gromit]

Let's hope that they've sorted out the the issues concerning the "bushes" and ball joints, not to mention drive shafts........central locking, electrics, rear door problems,air con,electric windows, steering................

I had all our bushes replaced at a cost of thousands of dollars, only to be recently told that rear bushes need replacing again :eek::eek:
In fact the service manager at Ford recommended that we get rid of it, $12k trade in :D

Would I buy another.............

I guess there are good ones and bad ones, out of your list I've only had the ball joints done and a rear suspension bush, both under warranty. Currently at 140,000 after 4.5 years ownership.

There are other known issues but then you only have to read this forum to see that LR has it's fair share of problems.
So far my only expense outside routine servicing has been a combination switch (the wiper arm, indicator arm assembly) which could have been repaired rather than replaced and a throttle position sensor. All up about $400.

I am buying another one.......


Colin

[Celtoid]

Just read the weekend Carsguide test drive on the Territory with the 2.7L TD. It was very unflattering....which is reallly surprising. They basically said that it was quite sluggish and unresponsive.

I found that incredible since the same engine can drag a D3 around without issue....I imagine the D3 is somewhat heavier? :confused:

[discojools]

Also surprised that according to the test I have read that the Territory doesn't seem to use less fuel than the D3/4 considering that it must weigh significantly less. D3/4 weighs about 2600kg and I would have thought that the Ford would be less than 2000kg.

[tempestv8]

Here's the article:

Ford Territory diesel: first drive | carsguide.com.au (http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/car-reviews-road-tests/ford_territory_diesel_first_drive)

I think most folks who are used to the Falcon 4.0 petrol engine and have never driven a turbo diesel before will immediately notice the lag phenomenon.

And which turbo diesel engine is immune from this lag? Don't say the 3.0 TDV6 with the sequential small/large turbo setup - I still noticed it but it's of course not as obvious as the 2.7, but it's still there.

Perhaps the engine on that Territory is still very new and tight, so yet to be run in, or perhaps they were hammering it on the trip so the transmission has learnt to shift for a more aggressive driving style, with a consequential drop in economy.

I'd like to see what happens to fuel economy if they had a 4.0 Territory together with the TDV6 on the same test drive, and both hooked up to a pop top caravan.

[Celtoid]

Here's the article:

Ford Territory diesel: first drive | carsguide.com.au (http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/car-reviews-road-tests/ford_territory_diesel_first_drive)

I think most folks who are used to the Falcon 4.0 petrol engine and have never driven a turbo diesel before will immediately notice the lag phenomenon.

And which turbo diesel engine is immune from this lag? Don't say the 3.0 TDV6 with the sequential small/large turbo setup - I still noticed it but it's of course not as obvious as the 2.7, but it's still there.

Perhaps the engine on that Territory is still very new and tight, so yet to be run in, or perhaps they were hammering it on the trip so the transmission has learnt to shift for a more aggressive driving style, with a consequential drop in economy.

I'd like to see what happens to fuel economy if they had a 4.0 Territory together with the TDV6 on the same test drive, and both hooked up to a pop top caravan.

Yeah that would be a great test. My D4 revs a lot easier now (30K) and has much better fuel eco than when new.

I'd like to connect a 3.0LTD to a manual box, to see how it goes. Sometimes mine just gets up and goes....other times you need to send it a letter....LOL!!!

[mowog]

I came from a Territory to a D4 3.0L.

I did not miss the 4.0L six at all. Mind you I also owned an XR6 Turbo Ute and I do miss that one. The XR6 Turbo and the ZF 6 Speed are such an awesome combination. I would have another one tomorrow if the boss would let me.

[gromit]

The TDV6 Terri should be ready for collection next week, it arrived at the dealership today.
I managed to score a 'fleet' discount (although it's a private purchase) and didn't pay any extra for the diesel.

It'll be interesting to see how the TDV6 performs.....


Colin

[Neil P]

I test drove one this week . It was still hot from its trip to the Dealers
from someones home. The 500kg less weight makes it respond like
a chipped D3 , once it's rolling along . Mid-range response on the
highway was impressive. The Titanium ( Ghia .... ) finish isn't much
quality though ............ Why they buy such crap leather , I don't
know. But then , Statesman are just as bad inside thesedays too.

[gromit]

Neil,

Sounds good, mine will be used mainly for 'repping' around the Eastern Suburbs of Melbourne so I just hope the stop/start fuel economy is considerably better than the straight 6 petrol.
I must remember to put a BIG diesel sticker by the fuel filler 'cos I've been driving a petrol version for nearly 5 years.

I have a towing job lined up (collecting an S3 diesel) in the next couple of weeks so it will be interesting to see how it performs on a long run with a load.

Colin

[Homestar]

...but have you had a good look at one :eek: fugly!

Camo

That is an understatement! I was looking forward to seeing what they came up with, but I must say I am very dissapointed. I wouldn't be seen behind the wheel of one...

[sumo]

Hey Guys. ... Don't Get to concerned about this thing!!, the big T...Will be discontiniued in the very near future, crazy stuff i know, Fords plans globaly?, Don't buy a Territory for christs sake!!!!,our motor is just being used!!!!,


Cheers Sumo

[TerryO]

Whose motor?

cheers,
Terry

[gromit]

Whose motor?

cheers,
Terry


Peugeot/Fords motor......;)


Colin

[Grover-98]

The new range of Renault's have no extra charge at all for the Diesel option they are all a flat rate regardless of fuel type... would be nice if this could catch on. :)

James.

[loanrangie]

Hey Guys. ... Don't Get to concerned about this thing!!, the big T...Will be discontiniued in the very near future, crazy stuff i know, Fords plans globaly?, Don't buy a Territory for christs sake!!!!,our motor is just being used!!!!,


Cheers Sumo

Unless you work at ford and have some inside gos, i doubt very much ford would tool up the the terri for the tdv6 only to dump it in the near future- it would have to be for the lifespan of the current model- maybe 5 odd years.

[TerryO]

Peugeot/Fords motor......;)


Colin


Yep Colin thats the one! ;)

As for the Territory its now a very good option if your looking for a brand new tow vehicle for a slightly bigger than mid sized caravan with its new 2700kg tow limit for the AWD model. I would rather own a roomy diesel AWD Territory with the proven 2.7 and six speed box then most other options available on the market for the Territory's quite reasonable RRP cost.

cheers,
Terry

[gromit]

Yep Colin thats the one! ;)



Terry,

Yep, the motor dates back to when the 'Blue Oval' owned the 'Green Oval'.

I don't really have much to choose from because I want a 7-seater with child restraints in the third row but not a people carrier. The Terri is also affordable and going on my current model, cheap to run (fuel & tyres excepted !).
Would love the AWD but cannot justify the $5k premium and have to stick with the 'poverty pack' because again I struggle to justify the additional cost for the TS & Ghia, sorry Platinum. I run a Series 1 and a Defender so even the poverty pack is luxury in comparison.....


Colin

[TerryO]

Hey Colin,

at the risk of being bagged again for making these comments, if your looking for a very reasonably (read very cheap second hand) priced 7 seater AWD diesel Soft roader then check out the SsangYong Rexton.

It has the Merc 2.7 diesel and five speed auto made under licence and our one that we have had since new in 2006 has proven very reliable and cheap to maintain. It blows the doors off of the D2 and tows upto 2.5 ton legally very well once you fit air bags. Its no Landy but it is a good all rounder that costs bugger all. The Limited model has luxurys in it from standard that would have made a similar year D3 feel proud to have.

Just a thought...

cheers,
Terry

[gromit]

Terry,

Checked the Ssangyong out and from memory no child restraint points in the third row and very limited dealerships so additional expense everytime it needed to be serviced.
Again from memory, I think the diesel engine is designed by Merc not made by them, although it may have been in the past.

I looked at Pathfinder (no restraints in new model), Prado (expensive), Kluger, Landcruiser (waaay too expensive), Peugeot (can't remember model but third row seats were a joke), Santa Fe, Sorrento, Challenger (a very narrow vehicle) and none of them had child restraint points in the third row. They could be fitted but it meant a bar across the limited luggage space which was a PITA. Didn't bother with the Captiva because it's a very small car internally and the diesel engine had problems at the time (I know of several replaced under warranty !)
I think the wife checked the spec. of a couple of people carriers and even they didn't have third row child restraints.

If you have a big, young family the Terri is close to being the only option.

Colin

[Wilbur]

Terry,

........

If you have a big, young family the Terri is close to being the only option.

Colin

Also, the Territory is a bloody good drive by any standards. There are very few other cars in that category. I shudder when I recall the horrible wooden steering, the soggy suspension, the poor vision and the tinny feel of the various cars I have had to hire over the years. For driving pleasure, the Territory blows the others away.

And this from someone who believed that the last good car made by Ford was the Pilot.......

[TerryO]

Hey Colin,

just went out and checked and your right the Rexton doesn't have third row child restraints fitted.

Sounds like the Territory is the go for what you have said you need a new vehicle for. Having looked at them on several occassions even the base model is a pretty well set up bit of gear, good luck with it.

cheers,
Terry

[gromit]

Terry,

The delivery keeps stretching out.....
They have only just taken delivery of the Ford HD towpack so they have to fit that along with the electric brake unit and it should be ready to collect on Monday or Tuesday next week.
It'll give me time to clean the old Terri ready for the wife to take it over. Then I have to fix up her old car to sell it and finally get back to working on Land Rovers....

Colin

[rar110]

I found the petrol Territory to be pretty good a couple of years ago when I used a Wk one. It literally got driven 24 hrs a day and would have covered somewhere from 700 - 1000km every day. It never gave us any trouble and was comfortable to drive. It went through the juice, but Wk was paying. I would buy a AWD diesel as a soft offroader.

Ford should offer a diesel Falcon and Holden a diesel commodore. I might have bought one instead of a pug 407 HDI, which has been a top car over the last year.

[101RRS]

I had a 7 seat Territory parked next to my car today. Was interested because if the Territory could get 7 seats in, in theory a RRS could as well - cabin is of a similar shape and size. I would think that only kids could get in the back seats and I would also guess that most times when you want to carry 7 you would also want to carry at least a little gear - with all seats in use I cannot see where any extra gear could fit in at all.

You obviously need to get the best vehicle to suit your circumstances.

[gromit]

garrycol,
It's not that bad with adults in the 3rd row. You wouldn't want to be there for a long distance trip but much more room than in most 7-seaters. You can also sit three adults in the middle row in comfort, you struggle to do that with lot of similar vehicles (someone has to lean forward).
Carrying space is very limited, small pushchair that folds to nothing and enough for an overnight stay that's it. Again similar story with most 7-seaters including people carriers.
The wife currently drives a Mitsubishi Delica. Limited carrying space once you have 7/8 people on board.

rar110
I believe diesel Falcon Econetic mules are out there, can't remember the engine size. There was also an Econetic Territory being tested but no plan for the Terri to get the smaller engine.
Terri isn't much good as a softroader, check out the very limited ground clearance. You scrape the shield under the Cat very easily on the petrol version, not sure yet about the diesel......

Colin

[frantic]

Gromit we have a similar sized family to you and went through the same safety/ load carrying ability debate last year when our 4th child was due but we settled on a VW multivan:eek: after looking at every 7 seater including the territory which at that stage only had the thirsty4.0.The problem with the fords rear bolts in the previous model was that they where at the base of the back door so the straps cut into the limited load area signifigaintly and the access for the rear meant moving seats around which is hard to bolt a bub in if you have to move/flip seats! The voyager had 5 bolts but you could only use 1 in the rear and they drove terribly, the delica dealer/importer tried to shaft us on the trade(and my wife hated their look), the multi had 5 bolts in the back of each seat, easy access to the back 3seats through the 2 mid captain's chairs that are all comfortable for adults, and the seats are all on rails so you can adjust the position of the seats so you have a bigger load area.

[George130]

Hey Colin,

at the risk of being bagged again for making these comments, if your looking for a very reasonably (read very cheap second hand) priced 7 seater AWD diesel Soft roader then check out the SsangYong Rexton.

It has the Merc 2.7 diesel and five speed auto made under licence and our one that we have had since new in 2006 has proven very reliable and cheap to maintain. It blows the doors off of the D2 and tows upto 2.5 ton legally very well once you fit air bags. Its no Landy but it is a good all rounder that costs bugger all. The Limited model has luxurys in it from standard that would have made a similar year D3 feel proud to have.

Just a thought...

cheers,
Terry

Yes the SSangyongs are very good. 2100km are now on the Stavic :).

[gromit]

Gromit we have a similar sized family to you and went through the same safety/ load carrying ability debate last year when our 4th child was due but we settled on a VW multivan:eek: after looking at every 7 seater including the territory which at that stage only had the thirsty4.0.The problem with the fords rear bolts in the previous model was that they where at the base of the back door so the straps cut into the limited load area signifigaintly and the access for the rear meant moving seats around which is hard to bolt a bub in if you have to move/flip seats! The voyager had 5 bolts but you could only use 1 in the rear and they drove terribly, the delica dealer/importer tried to shaft us on the trade(and my wife hated their look), the multi had 5 bolts in the back of each seat, easy access to the back 3seats through the 2 mid captain's chairs that are all comfortable for adults, and the seats are all on rails so you can adjust the position of the seats so you have a bigger load area.

frantic,

I would have considered the multivan but it's a work car for the first 4 years and I didn't think it was the right image for a sales engineer (and neither did the company who effectively fund it).
Yes the Terri rear 2 belts get in the way but we weave the pusher underneath and stack everything else on top through the opening rear window. The Delica belts are much the same, get in the way of the seats behind and in the limited luggage space.
We only need 1 capsule and 1 child seat as of the weekend (one of our lads 7th birthday) but still like the flexibility of being able to put one child in the rear row.

Another car we looked at was the Dodge Journey. They had child booster seats integral with the 3rd row seats which was a good idea but no rear restraint points. Then the sales manager categorically wasn't interested in sourcing the diesel for me to test drive and the clincher was when I found out it was made in Mexico....

I'll have to live with the 7-seater with limited luggage carrying capability, I can always tow a trailer when we go on holiday.


Colin

[gromit]

Finally got the TDV6 Territory today.

First impressions :-
Very quiet inside, quieter than my 5 year old petrol Terri
A little noisier outside, you know it's a diesel
Performance, surprising. Like the salesman told me, unless you are a leadfoot you wouldn't know it was a diesel.

Lots of minor changes (compared to my old one) some clearly cost cutting others are improvements.

2 weeks time it will be 'just another car' when the new car smell wears off.


Colin

[Neil P]

Finally got the TDV6 Territory today.
In 2 weeks time it will be 'just another D3' when the turbo packs in :(.


Colin I really hope ALL the 2.7 problems have now been sorted
and you can drive with confidence . I think that at the petrol vs diesel
pricepoint , it will be a success for the Broadmeadows plant.

[frantic]

Pity the company did not think it was the right image as all you would need to do for free parking was put a magnetic sign on the side with Joe blow's engineering, sales , service and deliveries , rego the VW as a comercial company car and you could park in the loading zones in the city:) , Previous owner of my defender did this as it could be classed as a delivery vehicle with the 1ton payload, same as the multi as it's derived from the transporter.