Farewell

[Wilbur]

After a stoush with drivesafe to do with alternator capacity on the Disco 4 section, I have realised this is no longer the forum for me. To those who have offered valuable advice over the years, thank you and farewell.

Cheers,

Paul

[amtravic1]

Seems a bit extreme to leave the forum because of one disagreement. Too many other good things on here to be worried about one thing. If I worried about every argument I had each day I would never get out of bed!

Ian

[Redback]

Is that it:eek:

[87County]

well... we have to thank you for that interesting sequence of posts about alternators...

..... which was instructive in more than one way really

and just because some of the gurus slammed you a bit hard that's no reason to take your lr and play elsewhere...

and if you found the forum useful in the past I'm sure you will in the future, so stick around - everyone will have forgotten the stoush it in a week or two anyway :)

[Lucus]

Its only the internet, Get over the arguement and stick around.:)

[bee utey]

Hi Wilbur, I was slapped down on this forum once, and I was angry about it for a whole week. Then I got over it. I think you will too. Now if I post my opinion and someone violenty disagrees I simply move on and post on other threads. Saves aggro.

Cheers and happy travelling.:):):)

[Homestar]

Geez - don't run off just because of that! I've had a stoush with Drivesafe myself - turns out he was right, and knows a ****load more about auto electrics and low voltage applications than me, and just about anyone else I know.

That's one of the things I love about this forum! You can learn so much, and expand your knowledge if you are open to listening to others experiences and opinions.

Stick around - 1 bad experience shouldn't put you off!

Cheers - Gav.

[Tombie]

After a stoush with drivesafe to do with alternator capacity on the Disco 4 section, I have realised this is no longer the forum for me. To those who have offered valuable advice over the years, thank you and farewell.

Cheers,

Paul

DO you mean that because Drivesafe has proven practical experience, combined with years of knowledge on a topic - one in which you attempted to justify a device which is unnecessary in a modern vehicle - and that YOU were/are unwilling to accept the facts and evidence presented or anything but hearsay and marketing hype... Nor back your statements with facts or evidence to support your opinion/training/background...

http://www.batandballhotel.com.au/images/banner2.jpg


Seriously, get some thicker skin & Take a time out - Works for me... When I've had a gutfull of this place, I just go underground for a while and get stuff done around the house :cool:

Cant cyber drive all the time - rather be out there doing stuff ;)

[clubagreenie]

I just asked a group of 16 Profs, Ass Profs and the rest of the Elec eng faculty at uni about this and they all agreed the someone has NFI.

Now does Wilburs Qual's outshine them? I'm not sure because even when he quotes them he won't state what they are.

I'll supply the bat and ball

[wrinklearthur]

After a stoush with drivesafe to do with alternator capacity on the Disco 4 section, I have realised this is no longer the forum for me. To those who have offered valuable advice over the years, thank you and farewell.

Cheers,

Paul
Hi Paul

Please dont feel too bad .

We are all entitled to our opinions, and sometimes the comments made about them by others can hurt.

Have a break by all means, but dont stop coming back all together, I for one, am sorry to see you are feeling that way.

Cheers Arthur

[Chucaro]

If all the members that disagree with my posts will be doing the same as you AULRO will have only one member.....Chucaro :D

Then again........not many members understand my spanglish :D

[stevo68]

Blardy hell....what is it with grown men having a dummy spit cause someone was a meany to them on a forum...FFS....( Doesn't apply to Tombie cause he is bigger than me :p). I've had my fair share of stoushes in the past....those that have been around would remember me and ol Dobbo (we are now facebook buddies and have even spoken on the phone).

I've bumped uglies with Rovercare......I even have with Tim (Drivesafe) yet we are still mates....pass each other on the road at least once a week. Chucaro and I have dealt it out on occasions...though bit harder these days as he obviously isn't using spell check like he used to :p so bit hard to understand the "spanglish". Plus there have been other's as well.

Now we have the Soapbox......where only the thickest of skin's dare enter and funnily enough...no real drama's despite the "heat" than can be generated.

So just for you ;)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/1080.jpg

Regards

Stevo

[blitz]

I've been corrected rather bluntly in the past, got hot under the collar and thought bugger it. finally reread the post and while I dont like the way some things were written have to agree they were right and I was wrong

[Ausfree]

Ahhh!!! Dramatics and theatre, I love it,,,,,Exit stage left!!!:rolleyes:

[clubagreenie]

I think the replies (how ever harsh) are perfectly in line with the attitude to which they are replying.

Personally I Have not haf an Issue with Tim and he's always gone out of his way to answer all my (bizzare) questions and recommended products for my intended applications that meant he would make less money but suit y end use better.

That's my measure of service, if do yourself out of a larger sale while giving the customer exactly what they've asked for and do it with a smile. But someone with large claims and doesn't have anything forthcoming to back it up (and I'm someone who'll not only ask for proof but also ask to be taught why plus try to have some knowledge before I ask anyway) and I'll have the grain of salt ready.

[land864]

Bloody Disco drivers:mad:.

PUSSIES :o

(From a Real Landy Isuzu Driver:cool: )

( Now I have sold all my Disco's I think I can say that:) )

Sorry Wilb , cheap shot:angel:

I don't always agree with everything everyone says on here and have been a bit peeved with posts being moved or removed by Mods but hey , weigh up your one bad experience against the wealth of knowledge and help offerred here and I think you'll be back;)

Take some time out , have a Bex and a lie down and we'll see you soon :spudnikwaving:

[akelly]

Just had a read through of that thread - WOW! That sort of stuff reminded me why I stopped going to a certain US based sailing forum - too much testosterone... Maybe this thread explains why D3/4 owners never wave to me?

It might not be just about having thicker skin, it might be about finding more "socially acceptable" ways of disagreeing with someone? Either way, its a bad sign for a forum when people start leaving for this sort of thing.

[roverrescue]

'akelly' Ive been formulating on this all for a whiles now. Im not yet certain all variables have been accounted for but I think that we can simplify the relatively recent changes to the overall vibe of AULRO with the following:

OCF α {1 / (TocL x $) + (bnt:p)}

where:
OCF: Overall Chill Factor
TocL: Tare of chosen Landy
$: price of chosen Landy
(bnt:p) bent'n'twisted to pristine panel ratio


It seems, from my looking through 'The Pinnacles', as chosen landy price and weight increases... chill factor markedly decreases? Note that I wasnt sure quite how to factor in the bent'n'twisted to pristine panel ratio, my gut feeling is that it needs a weighting factor - but Ill leave that to the crowd to decide.

Steve

[PAT303]

Who's on thier way too the D4 section with me?. Pat

[Pilbara130]

He has said good bye so why is this thread still going who are you people texting to?:angel:

[stevo68]

He has said good bye so why is this thread still going who are you people texting to?:angel: Well, that makes all of.........no sense??,

Regards

Stevo

[sschmez]

HTFU ! ! !

[THE BOOGER]

He has said good bye so why is this thread still going who are you people texting to?:angel:

If he comes back just to look at his last post/thread maybe we can change his mind:)

[Bearman]

Hi Paul

Please dont feel too bad .

We are all entitled to our opinions, and sometimes the comments made about them by others can hurt.

Have a break by all means, but dont stop coming back all together, I for one, am sorry to see you are feeling that way.

Cheers Arthur

Well said Arthur, I'll second that!

[B92 8NW]

Who's on thier way too the D4 section with me?. Pat

Take a few beers with you and a very comfortable chair:D.

[Wilbur]

Thank you all very much for your replies. I guess I did do the dummy spit too easily, and the fact is this is a great forum, and I would like to continue to be a part of it.

The hassle was over the best way to charge batteries. My experience has been with stand-alone solar power systems not automotive, but the principles are the same. With solar power, we aim to maximise the time the appliances will run before the batteries are discharged (cloudy days etc) and to maximise the life of the batteries. Much the same applies to vehicle 'house' batteries.

Again, thanks for waking me up!

Cheers,

Paul

[rumman43]

Thats the way..

forget abouuut it and welcome back.

[land864]

See Pilbara :p

No one but no one just goes cold turkey off AULRO :angel:

[Grumbles]

Good on you for staying. :D

[Chucaro]

Good on you mate, now about charging batteries............:p

[roverrescue]

Good onya Paul,
now go take a hammer to a few panels to further increase your OCF ;)

S

[Pilbara130]

[QUOTE=land864;1459214]See Pilbara :p

No one but no one just goes cold turkey off AULRO :angel:[/QUOTE

Good to see.:)

[wrinklearthur]

deleted this post, sorry but it didnt look right.

Cheers Arthur

[CraigE]

Sounds a little like sour grapes.
Not really a reason to take your bat and ball and go.
If you enter into a debate, provide the facts, not theory or fiction (unless of course that is what is being discussed). If you can not, then humbly back off.
I for one have been in plenty of differing discussions and on occasion have felt the same and thought about backing out, but did not especially when I knew I was right. On occasion the person who actually knew SFA and was only voicing their opinion and not fact has got the upper hand, but most times I will re group and fight back.
Unfortunately in this case I think you may be wrong and you may not want to admit it or may genuinely think you are right and that is ok.
I too have been down that path and also proven wrong and just moved on.
You should really consider that. Would you leave your employment over such a disagreement?
Hope you think about it a bit as all comers are welcome here, but in the end it is your choice.

[rmp]

I think another lesson is not to back people into a corner, or back yourself into a corner. That way if you do need to change your mind you'll be able to do so without loss of face.

Also, if you give someone an 'out' which allows them to change view without you doing a public victory dance they'll be forever grateful and that will pay off in future posts.

Crushing an oppponent on line is really very much a short-term victory.

[Wilbur]

Sounds a little like sour grapes.
Not really a reason to take your bat and ball and go.
If you enter into a debate, provide the facts, not theory or fiction (unless of course that is what is being discussed). If you can not, then humbly back off............

.....Unfortunately in this case I think you may be wrong and you may not want to admit it or may genuinely think you are right and that is ok.


Agreed, CraigE, it was childish to take my bat and ball and walk away, a knee jerk reaction because it seemed that one set of rules applied to me and another to everyone else. It was not sour grapes. I see now I would have been better to argue back within the rules allowed to me.

It is difficult though to know what you mean by "provide the facts, not theory or fiction". I felt (and feel) that I WAS quoting facts. I did not cite references, but then neither did the other contributors.

If I am shown to be wrong, I have no problem admitting it - I have had plenty of practice doing so! However, though I may walk away from a discussion when I feel I am batting my head against a brick wall, I won't walk away saying I was wrong unless I believe I WAS wrong. In this case, I am morally and absolutely convinced that I was completely correct, but as a lone voice against the aggressive 'opposition' I gave up.

Of course in a forum like this there should be no concept of arguing back, or opposition.

I would like to write a short essay on battery management and post it here. I am not sure it will be welcome, but when I get time I will do it. It might well save someone from grief.

Cheers,

Paul

[rmp]

Wilbur

Yes, please write it up, it'll be reviewed by all and added to the FAQ.

[miky]

I seem to disagree with most people, there again I believe that there are two ways of doing things...

My way, and the wrong way.





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[Narangga]

Thank you all very much for your replies. I guess I did do the dummy spit too easily, and the fact is this is a great forum, and I would like to continue to be a part of it.

The hassle was over the best way to charge batteries. My experience has been with stand-alone solar power systems not automotive, but the principles are the same. With solar power, we aim to maximise the time the appliances will run before the batteries are discharged (cloudy days etc) and to maximise the life of the batteries. Much the same applies to vehicle 'house' batteries.

Again, thanks for waking me up!

Cheers,

Paul

Trust that you will continue to fare well as you have an ongoing contribution to the forum as a whole.

[strangy]

'akelly' Ive been formulating on this all for a whiles now. Im not yet certain all variables have been accounted for but I think that we can simplify the relatively recent changes to the overall vibe of AULRO with the following:

OCF α {1 / (TocL x $) + (bnt:p)}

where:
OCF: Overall Chill Factor
TocL: Tare of chosen Landy
$: price of chosen Landy
(bnt:p) bent'n'twisted to pristine panel ratio


It seems, from my looking through 'The Pinnacles', as chosen landy price and weight increases... chill factor markedly decreases? Note that I wasnt sure quite how to factor in the bent'n'twisted to pristine panel ratio, my gut feeling is that it needs a weighting factor - but Ill leave that to the crowd to decide.

Steve

You may need to apply a co-efficient to the bent' n' twisted factor according to what caused the bent'n'twisted. I.e Car park of actual off roading.

cheers

[korg20000bc]

Its like superhero comics-
No-one ever stays dead.

[Ferret]

No-one ever stays dead.

OMG- Zombies! :eek:

I hope you do write something up Wilbur. I don't know anything about battery charging so can't really enter into the technical merits of one view or the other. But I have seen knowledgeable people make contributions to fields outside their area of direct expertise before. It has happened in the industry I used to work in at one time and revolutionised people's understanding of some processes.

[Wilbur]

Wilbur

Yes, please write it up, it'll be reviewed by all and added to the FAQ.

Yep, will do. I will wait until my D4 arrives mid-May (suffering cat-on-hot-tin-roof syndrome just now) so I can quote precise figures.

Cheers,

Paul

[CraigE]

Agreed, CraigE, it was childish to take my bat and ball and walk away, a knee jerk reaction because it seemed that one set of rules applied to me and another to everyone else. It was not sour grapes. I see now I would have been better to argue back within the rules allowed to me.

It is difficult though to know what you mean by "provide the facts, not theory or fiction". I felt (and feel) that I WAS quoting facts. I did not cite references, but then neither did the other contributors. I have had people argue points when I have had "legislation 7 standards" sitting in front of me to the point where the reply has been along the lines"well it is so in NSW, you live in WA", even though a lot is national.

If I am shown to be wrong, I have no problem admitting it - I have had plenty of practice doing so! However, though I may walk away from a discussion when I feel I am batting my head against a brick wall, I won't walk away saying I was wrong unless I believe I WAS wrong. In this case, I am morally and absolutely convinced that I was completely correct, but as a lone voice against the aggressive 'opposition' I gave up.

Of course in a forum like this there should be no concept of arguing back, or opposition.

I would like to write a short essay on battery management and post it here. I am not sure it will be welcome, but when I get time I will do it. It might well save someone from grief.

Cheers,

Paul
Paul,
By all means put your evidence forward. Will be an interesting read I am sure and am certain I may learn something from it and the discussion around it. Most thoughts are welcome and you should not take discussion too personally.
As always there will be differing opinion, some based on fact, some life experience and some on myths. Usually there is more than one way to skin a cat.
I am certainly not taking any sides and usually weigh up the arguments and make an informed decision for myself.
I have been in your position a few times and often, you need to walk away for a bit and get a clear head.
The hardest discussions are philosophical or personal opinion as often there is no real wrong or right.
I do hope you stay on board. As I have learnt it is far easier to walk away than to hang around.
Cheers
Craig