Wide to narrow eyes conversion

[carby]

Excuse my crude description of a front end swap.

I was wondering (as a Landy virgin) what is involved in retrofitting
narrow eyes to a fender mounted 2a.

c

[korg20000bc]

Late 2a's had lights mounted in the front wings like the series 3. So check the production date.

Otherwise, you need a radiator support panel with the eyeholes in it, replace the front wing panel to one with no holes and then rewire the lights to be correct for that position.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The headlamps in the mudguards happened at suffix "G", so if your vehicle is suffix G or H it's correct for wide headlamps.

Personally I prefer the G and H.

Diana

[UncleHo]

G'day Carby :)

If your Landrover 2a chassis number ends in "G" or "H" then it is a late 2a and was produced like that and the ADR compliance plate will state so by the numbers stamped on it, but if you chassis No is "A" to "D" then it would have originally had the lights in the Grille (narrow eyes) classic appearance and has been changed at some time, there was a big move by some State registration departments in the 80's to get the earlier vehicles to fit the wide set lights either by just adding lights to the guards or by fitting late 2a or series 3 front guards,siting ADR headlamp width requirements.

BTW. your chassis number and suffix letter will be on your rego papers and windscreen sticker.


cheers

[JDNSW]

G'day Carby :)

If your Landrover 2a chassis number ends in "G" or "H" then it is a late 2a and was produced like that and the ADR compliance plate will state so by the numbers stamped on it, but if you chassis No is "A" to "D" then it would have originally had the lights in the Grille (narrow eyes) classic appearance and has been changed at some time, there was a big move by some State registration departments in the 80's to get the earlier vehicles to fit the wide set lights either by just adding lights to the guards or by fitting late 2a or series 3 front guards,siting ADR headlamp width requirements.

BTW. your chassis number and suffix letter will be on your rego papers and windscreen sticker.


cheers

A couple of comments on this - as far as I know, no Series 2a had compliance plates - these came in early in Series 3 production I believe. But the chassis number, or rather the suffix is the key item.

But even this does not necessarily tell the whole story. My ex-army suffix G has narrow headlights, and certainly came out of the army like that. I am not clear whether it delivered with narrow set headlights, or whether it is an in service modification, possibly after an accident using available panels.

It has been registered in Victoria and NSW without query.

John

[carby]

Thanks all.

I believe this truck was bolted together in 72 so it follows that it has the fender lights. As much as I prefer the narrow eyed ancestor I'm swaying to leaving it as is. I will check those chassis numbers for provenance.

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/97/164752197_full.jpg

[JDNSW]

Must be one of the last Series 2a!

John

[JayBoRover]

What a gorgeous looking truck!:cool: Any more pictures of it you could share with us? That was dated 2008 - anything more recent to show how it is now? Please tell us something about it.
BTW, I have a 1970 S2a that has both fender and radiator panel headlights. (Fitted by a previous owner).

[Turtle61]

Nice landy. Good pic too.
Tell me - how did you mount the Defender mirrors?

Cheers

[Col.Coleman]

Land rover started putting the lights in the guards for the USA market much earlier than G suffix. The important bit is, at G suffix, all Land Rovers were now produced this way. Nothing to do with Australian ADR's.

In fact, they mostly didn't cover Land Rovers. As though introduced from 1969 onwards, mainly seatbelts, commercial vehicles had special exceptions. Land Rovers were considered commercial vehicles.

Some light reading for you. As I reguarly PLAY with cars, I have these all saved.

Second Edition Australian Design Rules (http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/second_edition_adrs.aspx)

IIRC complience plates started in being affixed in 1971 on passenger cars.

CC

CC

[carby]

BTW, I have a 1970 S2a that has both fender and radiator panel headlights. (Fitted by a previous owner).

I'd love to see a picture of your 4 eyes.
c

[carby]

I've yet to see her in the skin!

Just bought it in Queenstown NZ, waiting for the import certificate at the moment and then it will be on the water bound for Botany Bay. The owner has done a superb just of maintaining it, its a real credit to him (thumbs up to you MB if you are reading this) and it's the perfect setup for me. Can't wait to get some dust under those gaurds.

Im not sure how long these listing pics will stay live for so oggle them while you can.

Here was the description.
Classic series 2A in excellent original order , no rust , meticulously maintained . Recon engine, Series 3 gearbox (full syno), new wiring loom, Sealed distributer, Engine block heater (240v), Overdrive, Capston winch, Infrared alarm, Snorkal, Extended breathers, Roll bar, Michelin 750R16 tyres, Rear air shocks

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[UncleHo]

G'day Carby :)

THAT is one NICE Series 2a,and BTW if it is Ex NZ the chassis numbers will be different as NZ CKD vehicles had a different chassis sequence, Suffix "H" from memory, and it would probably not have an Aust ADR plate but maybe a NZ one.

The 71 Aust military 2a's had ADR plates as they had the seating stamped on them.

cheers

[Lotz-A-Landies]

G'day Carby :)

THAT is one NICE Series 2a,and BTW if it is Ex NZ the chassis numbers will be different as NZ CKD vehicles had a different chassis sequence, Suffix "H" from memory, and it would probably not have an Aust ADR plate but maybe a NZ one.

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I've only ever seen one CKD RHD prefix and one CKD LHD prefix for each model listed in my OEM manuals.

Looking at the Grenville Motors books, there were at least 62 88" suffix H sold in 1972, all these should have had compliance plates they mostly went to government departments.

Interestingly there were still SIIa 109 suffix H being sold to non-government customers as late as May 1973.

[isuzurover]

That is a VERY nice IIA.

[carby]

It was sold new in 73 in NZ. Could have been a 73 model.




Looking at the Grenville Motors books, there were at least 62 88" suffix H sold in 1972, all these should have had compliance plates they mostly went to government departments.

[isuzurover]

It was sold new in 73 in NZ. Could have been a 73 model.

That is amazingly rust free for a vehicle from the land of the long white (rain) cloud!

When did it come over?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

It was sold new in 73 in NZ. Could have been a 73 model.I rather suspect it was old stock. SIII 88" were being distributed from NSW dealers in March 1972.

So a SIIa sold in 1973 would likely be runout 1971 models (if a year model existed in SIIa/SIII). Remember this was the time that Toyota started selling 40 series Land Cruiser with 4 speed gearboxes instead of the previous 3 speed, dealer option Toyota PTO winches and with the 6 cylinder engine they were taking significant market share off Land Rover, which up till that time were the market leader.

[JayBoRover]

I'd love to see a picture of your 4 eyes.
c
It's actually become a 6 eyes:D
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/04/536.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/996.jpg