In line fuel pump

[The ho har's]

What size/volume in line fuel pump is required for a 3.5ltr rover :)

Mrs hh:angel:

[101 Ron]

In the 101 the standard fuel pump is inside the fuel tank.
My 101 still has it fitted as a back up, but it is not used as a normal 3/4 psi after market fuel pump is fitted and has been doing the job for years.
If you look at the following pic carefully on the bottom RHS you can see it on the chassis.
Any electric aftermarket fuel pump for a carby motor will do the job....eg faucet brand.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/1257.jpg

[101RRS]

I carry one of these in my spares in case the original one in the tank plays up.

Electric Fuel Pump 12volt Solid State 1.5-3.5psi 57 LPH | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Electric-Fuel-Pump-12volt-Solid-State-1-5-3-5psi-57-LPH-/130492548610?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e61f64602)

[Blknight.aus]

1l/min @ 4psi.

all as per previously mentioned, I have 4 on fozzy for shifting fuel around and one spare. only one of them was purchased new, the rest from wreckers for about $10 a piece or garage sales for not much more.

[Grimace]

crap so I can assume 4.4L/min at 50psi (rail pressure) is well and truly overkill??
That's the specs of the walbro pump sold to me to suit my supercharged application...:eek:

[Blknight.aus]

yep with that many PSI going into a carby you'll force past the needle and seat and flood it out..

for injected thats about right, if you want better patterning out of the injectors or are running your blower at much over 10psi then you want to be looking at the 60-70psi range.

[The ho har's]

series 3 in line pump is 12v what amps does it pull as 101 is 24v and the step down is 20 amp it runs the coil ? any ideas

ho har

[Blknight.aus]

bout 2-4 amps depending on voltage and condition.

[101RRS]

series 3 in line pump is 12v what amps does it pull as 101 is 24v and the step down is 20 amp it runs the coil ? any ideas

ho har


The fuel pump in a 24v 101 is actually 12v and the coil actually runs on 10V.

Garry

[Mick_Marsh]

I bought a Goss GE206 as a backup pump.
20 kPa, 93 l/h, 24V, 0.8 A
Is this suitable?

[101 Ron]

As Garry stated the 101 pump is 12 volt even though the vehicle is 24 volt system ( ex aussie army rapiers)....the pump runs though a drop down.
As a back up a 24 volt pump can still be used, as all you need to do is tap into a 24 volt supply.
Garry may be able to explain more about the drop down to the ignition coil and fuel pump as my machine was converted from 24volt to 12 volt many years ago and all that equiptment on my machine is missing and not needed.

[The ho har's]

101 fuel pump part 589322 does not state 12v or 24v ,fuel gauge does come as both. the coil and distributor have been changed ,101 is on gas with no petrol tank ,with the ten year tank inspection due i am having change over to both fitted before rego

ho har

[101 Ron]

101 fuel pump part 589322 does not state 12v or 24v ,fuel gauge does come as both. the coil and distributor have been changed ,101 is on gas with no petrol tank ,with the ten year tank inspection due i am having change over to both fitted before rego

ho har

Standard 101 fuel pump is 12 volt even if the machine is 24 volt.
Thats why its not stated

[Blknight.aus]

I bought a Goss GE206 as a backup pump.
20 kPa, 93 l/h, 24V, 0.8 A
Is this suitable?


yes..

more or less, 20kpa =3psi, 93l/h=1.5l/m (which is probably its free flow delivery rate) 24v means it can be operated from the cranking batteries via a relay

I'd probably go that way, turf the 12v unit if all its running is the pump and the coil and fit a 24v coil or failing that get one of the small 2a black box module 24/12v reducers.

[101RRS]

As Ron indicated there is a dropper somewhere (I think under the drivers seat) that drops the voltage to 12v for the fule pump. Any 12v pump will run off the wires that goes to the the original pump.

Gauges are 24v and unique to the 24v systems.

Just in front and below the coil you will find a box with 24v going into it. This is the reducer for the coil. The box is just a length of wire that can get hot when on and if you put a multimeter on the output side it will still read 24v but under with the load of the coil in the circuit you will find the voltage in the compete circuit is 10v. Now normal coils run on 9v (with a ballast) so a normal 12v ballasted coil (such as a Bosch GT 40) will work in place of the original 101 coil (don't as me how I know all this - bitter experience).

On 12v 101s the coil runs on 6v.

On my 101 I had major coil issues and then 24v dissy problems, so I changed my dissy to a 12v electronic bosch version and a GT40 coil with ballast. I use the switched 24v that originally fed the coil dropper to run a relay that provides 12v direct from my deep cycle battery.

The electronic ignition improved fuel consumption on gas from 10mpg to 11 mpg but petrol went from 10mpg to 15mpg. As you will find, that unlike most landies the 101 gives pretty consistent fuel consumption in most circumstances - mainly because it is basically flat to the floor driving in most circumstances.

Garry

[Mick_Marsh]

On the subject of gauges Garry,
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=36020&stc=1&d=1305725220
It is broken
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/fcs-military-variations/127754-anyone-know-instrument-fixer.html
I saved it from the bin.
PM your postal address if you want it.

[101RRS]

These are a bit of white man's magic for me - I believe the 101 amp gauges do not work on their own and have a separate shunt somewhere - mine does not work but I do not know if it is the gauge or the shunt but not worried too much about it - there is the charging light on the dash.

Likewise - not sure if our 101s all had twin amp gauges or it was only the ones with the radios in the Rapier group.

Mick - for a fuel pump get a 12v version and plug it in to the wires that run to the OEM pump. Those that I listed above work well in the 101 - I gave my spare to a 101 owner who was having issues and it worked fine. I would carry a spare though - they are cheap enough.

However I don't think original pumps are reasonable in price if purchased overseas - even Anthony's price is OK.

Garry

[PeterP]

These are a bit of white man's magic for me - I believe the 101 amp gauges do not work on their own and have a separate shunt somewhere - mine does not work but I do not know if it is the gauge or the shunt but not worried too much about it - there is the charging light on the dash.
The shunt resisters for both gauges live in the radio connection box on the side of the battery box.
Peter

[101 Ron]

My 101 still has a amp meter shunt on the side of the battery box.

[101RRS]

Bloody big box just to make a couple of amp gauges to work. Aftermarket gauges to not need these so I might just buy an aftermarket one and put it into the 101 gauge so it looks original. That shunt box is a pain - the wingnuts catch on stuff - including my shins when climbing front to back and vice versa.

Garry

[Mick_Marsh]

You'll find the aftermarket ones need a shunt as well if you want the gauge to read 150A.
Gauges with intergrated shunt resistors (a standard amp gauge) will only go up to 25A or 40A (or thereabouts).

[The ho har's]

back to the series 3 lift fuel pump 12v does it work in any plane


ho har

[Blknight.aus]

yes.

[stuee]

Just bringing this topic back from the dead as I'm now looking to buy an in-line fuel pump as a spare to my in-tank unit. The one mounted to the tank when I got the car is well and truly dead, while the spare I have works, it looks well used and I have no idea how long it will last.

I've been looking at the Facet brand pumps, and quick checks on eBay etc they are around $85USD + another $40USD postage. I'm looking at the below model but I'm keen to hear what brands others are running and what success you've had with them.

Purolator Facet 60SV Electronic Fuel Pump | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Purolator-Facet-60SV-Electronic-Fuel-Pump-/380362569238?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item588f603616)
Alternatively, I could get the following locally:
Facet Posi Flo Fuel Pump - FPX044B - Supercheap Auto Australia (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Facet-Posi-Flo-Fuel-Pump-FPX044B.aspx?pid=112688#Description)

In terms of branded units, the Facet one seems competitively priced compared to some of the other big name ones (Holley etc)

I was considering another in-tank pump from the 101 Club, but from the few accounts I've read online they aren't that flash, and some have been dying in under a year. There may be the possibility of replacing the pump itself in the in-tank unit, but I've not read of anyone doing this to date.

[101 Ron]

Both pumps will do the job and both are reliable types.

[Mick_Marsh]

I have replaced the fuel pump in the 101.
It's an easy job provided you have the access to the top of the tank.
I'm sure there are other pumps out there that will fit. I was looking at a pump in a burnt out Disco the other day thinking it looked similar. Not positive it came from that car though.
I have a Goss (24V) externally mounted as an emergency pump.
I would think in your situation one of the two you are looking at suit well. Facet has a good name. The one from America would be my choice. If it were me, I'd buy two. Keep one as a spare just in case.
I've had a run on dying fuel pumps in recent times. Mercedes, Commodore (twice) and two Landrovers.

[stuee]

I have replaced the fuel pump in the 101.
It's an easy job provided you have the access to the top of the tank.
I'm sure there are other pumps out there that will fit. I was looking at a pump in a burnt out Disco the other day thinking it looked similar. Not positive it came from that car though.
I have a Goss (24V) externally mounted as an emergency pump.
I would think in your situation one of the two you are looking at suit well. Facet has a good name. The one from America would be my choice. If it were me, I'd buy two. Keep one as a spare just in case.
I've had a run on dying fuel pumps in recent times. Mercedes, Commodore (twice) and two Landrovers.

Am I correct in reading that you have replaced the pump that sits in the tank off the end of the pickup, or the whole pump/pickup unit that screws into the top of the tank?

If I do go an inline unit, all I will do is take the pump off the end of the pickup, and use that to feed the inline pump.

I've replaced the whole unit with a spare but would be interested in sourcing a replacement pump to sit on the end of the pickup if you know of one.

[Mick_Marsh]

Am I correct in reading that you have replaced the pump that sits in the tank off the end of the pickup, or the whole pump/pickup unit that screws into the top of the tank?

If I do go an inline unit, all I will do is take the pump off the end of the pickup, and use that to feed the inline pump.

I've replaced the whole unit with a spare but would be interested in sourcing a replacement pump to sit on the end of the pickup if you know of one.
Yes, I have replaced a 101 pump before.
The pump sits on the end of the pickup unit in the tank and can be removed from this unit. If you are going to take it out anyway, remove it now and have a good look at it. The pump is on the end of the pickup. My tank is out at the moment so if you want me to take photo's this weekend, I can.
Take it to a Bursons or Repco type store or wreckers and compare it to the Discovery pump.
If I was in your position, I'd just fit the aftermarket universal and be done with it.
If you do want a 101 pump replacement, I have one sitting on the shelf. My 101 projects are running at slower than snails pace at the moment (by choice) so I have time to get a new one.
The last 101 pump I saw sold on ebay went for about 20 to 40 pounds I think.

[101RRS]

Stuee - I understand that an external inline pump will pull fuel through the original pump inside the tank - the original has some nice gausing to stop some of the larger bits entering the fuel line.

At the stage you are at I would buy an original pump and put that in and keep an inline for an emergency spare (have the parts to connect it). I know the easiest place in an emergency is to put it in after the fuel filter - just splice it into the flexible line that joins in the fuel filter to the carbies and take power direct from the battery. My original pump has been in many years and covered many kms without issue so they are more reliable than people say.

Anthony has originals for $130 Land Rover 101 Current stock - page 1 (http://101spares.com/parts.htm)

If doing a permanent installation I would do as Ron has done - bolted to the chassis near the tank and pipe it in there with power from the original pump.

Cheers

Garry

[stuee]

Yes, I have replaced a 101 pump before.
The pump sits on the end of the pickup unit in the tank and can be removed from this unit. If you are going to take it out anyway, remove it now and have a good look at it. The pump is on the end of the pickup. My tank is out at the moment so if you want me to take photo's this weekend, I can.
Take it to a Bursons or Repco type store or wreckers and compare it to the Discovery pump.
If I was in your position, I'd just fit the aftermarket universal and be done with it.
If you do want a 101 pump replacement, I have one sitting on the shelf. My 101 projects are running at slower than snails pace at the moment (by choice) so I have time to get a new one.
The last 101 pump I saw sold on ebay went for about 20 to 40 pounds I think.

I've already disassembled the pump assembly last night in the hope of pulling part the pump itself to identify what went wrong but its not easily disassembled. There was no resistance across the contacts, but a few good whacks got some, but its just as broken.

If the pump itself (less pick-up etc) is a reasonably common item (ie same as carby discovery or range rover) I will see if I can pick up a spare pump from one of the auto shops and stick it on the end of the pick-up to keep as a spare. If no luck with that I will just mount the in-line unit



Anthony has originals for $130 Land Rover 101 Current stock - page 1 (http://101spares.com/parts.htm)


Any idea of the quality of these units? It appears to come with the gauze, which the 101 club ones do not so its possible its manufactured by someone else. I will fire off an email to him tonight.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I have heard of people using the in tank pump from a Commodore in Range Rover classics, peerhaps it's worth investigating for the 101.

[101RRS]

As Diana has indicated, the VN and later Commodore fuel pump can be used in RRC and Discovery fuel injected V8s. As such this pump is not really suited for carbies.

Garry