Peugeot 407, is good?

[Chucaro]

We are selling our Defender to get something more confy for my wife and looking into sedans.
I used to have Peugeots 504, 505 and for short time OS a 205. All of them were fantastic and the 2000 cc of the 504/05 was great.
I just wonder if any member have a 407 o know about any problems on them.
The other options are a Lexus 300 and 200 series, and the Ford Falcon.
The Defe is in the Markets setion now :(
Your inputs are appreciated

[Nero]

Dunno about the pugs but I have an Audi A8 D2 going rate is about 15k. The really big euro bombers depreciate like rocks the D3's are now coming into the 40K-50k range, fuel consumption is about what a falcon runs so not always the cheapest things to run defiantly comfy though.

[Jojo]

The 504 was a great car, on the 505 I cannot comment. I personally don't have a 407, but a mate of mine runs one as company car and he is very pleased with it. I was impressed too, when I was driving around in it. Of particular interest will be the fuel consumption figures which are ridiculously low (in Diesel guise, which would be my definite choice). As a French car, refinement is top notch (and, incredibly enough, even build quality (which was not quite the 504's strength)).
Cheers

[Ratel10mm]

On the whole they're very good. The vast majority of our fleet a couple o employers ago were 406 & then 407's. Most were service vehicles (estates are usually preferred in the U.K. because of how the benefit in kind tax works). We did have some problems with engines, but other than the accountant's vehicle which took the local dealer several attempts to fix properly they were all given a hammering! There was a feeling towards the switch to Fords that we seemed to be getting a higher than normal percentage of faulty vehicles. I'm afraid it's too long ago for me to remember exactly what the concern was though. For info we ran somewhere between 50 & 100 vehicles, over half of which would have been 400 series Pug's.
On the whole I'd be very willing to own one privately.

[VladTepes]

We have a Citroen C5. now 3 years old and it;s a great car. I THINK that the 407 is built on the same floorpan but is more upmarket. I'd definitely have one.

Arthur.. will this leave you without a Land Rover ?

[Chucaro]

Thank you for the inputs, perhaps the diesel will be the choice considering the reputation of the Peugeot diesel engines. The 404 was an excellent engine used OS in taxis.

[mikehzz]

I think the diesel in the 407 is the same donk that's in my Freelander 2. It's a really good motor if it is. Could be the 408 though? Either way it's a winner. :)

[rar110]

We've had a 407 HDI 6 speed auto for 12 mths. City fuel consumption is 8 lt/100km an my wife is a lead foot at the lights. HW is about 6.0 lt/100 or less if you stay just under 100 kmh. Trans is very smooth, motor very responsive. Very nice car. Boot size is ok but not as big as jetta (but jetta I drove had shocking turbo lag) We bought 2nd hand at Govt auction with 40000 km on clock, cost $25k on the road.

[p38arover]

D3's are .... defiantly comfy though.

Absolutely! They'll take no cheek from anyone!

[Chucaro]

We have a Citroen C5. now 3 years old and it;s a great car. I THINK that the 407 is built on the same floorpan but is more upmarket. I'd definitely have one.

Arthur.. will this leave you without a Land Rover ?

The Citroen it is a nice car as well, my older brother have a top of the range C3 and he is very happy with it.

Yes Vlad, I will be without a LR for some time and look into one when we move to Tasmania. :(

[3toes]

From a European market view you are far better off with a Ford or Vauxhall either will be far more reliable.

Best point in favour of the 407 is that it was when Peugeot / Citroen adopted the Ford diesel engine range. This engine range is as good as and the only ones to come near the market leading BMW diesel engines.

Unfortunately the rest of the car has a reputation for not being as well screwed together as the 406 which it replaced.

They seem to have a habit of eating front ball joints and suffer electrical gremlins who take up residence and can be difficult to pin down.

Used a hire car 407 for a few weeks. Noise levels inside were higher than the VW Passat it replaced (1.8 diesel and very under powered) and rear seat passengers were not happy with leg room or vision out of the car. Has a very long bonnet in the American style which takes some getting used to. Fuel economy was good and behind the wheel on a motor way was a good cruiser.

[Chucaro]

I just wonder how reliable are here the Ford Focus or Mondeo........
I read that the Falcon have problems with the gearbox but then agin there is not a such thing as a perfect car out there.....

[jerryd]

I've just got rid of my troublesome "Ford Territory" :arms: and replaced it with a Nissan Maxima ti :)

We were looking at Toyotas, Ford Focus ( :wasntme: ), Holden, Honda Accord. We found a one owner Nissan Maxima and immediately liked the build quality, very nice to drive, and is returning 10.6 per 100 instead of the 16+ per 100 we were getting from the ford.

The mechanic who serviced our cars in the uk disliked peugeots with a passion,although the newer models may be better.

[PAT303]

Is the trouble in Europe caused by wet weather and salt on the roads?.Peugeots are no different than LR's as far as you pay for the extra comfort,they are a pretty thing the 407. Pat

[StephenF10]

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Best point in favour of the 407 is that it was when Peugeot / Citroen adopted the Ford diesel engine range.
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Only the 2.7 V6 (the same one as in the D3). The 4's are Peugeot.

Stephen.

[StephenF10]

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As a French car, refinement is top notch (and, incredibly enough, even build quality (which was not quite the 504's strength)).
Cheers

You must be joking! The Peugeot 504 (and Mercedes W123) has to be one of the most sought-after vehicles in the Middle East and Africa because of it's strength and reliability.

Stephen.
(about to celebrate 30 years with my 504 diesel)

[p38arover]

Our 405 was built in Britain - and poorly made at that.

[Chucaro]

I just wonder if the Poms do not like the Peugeot because is French:angel::D
I do not like shopping for cars with limited money:(
A porche 911 GT3 will be in the list if the situation was diferent:D

[p38arover]

Buy a Subaru.

[Chucaro]

Buy a Subaru.

Ron, IMO the Subaru is among the best made cars from Japan and as good as many from Europe.
I like the Liberty and the Outback wagon but I am not familiar which will be the best engine, if the 6cyl or the 4 cyl.
Also some people are saying that parts and service is expensive......
If you know about them, comments are appreciated.
Cheers

[dromader driver]

I would agree with the Subaru coming a very close second choice if I didn't like the defender! Haven't driven the diesel versions but the petrol Liberty and Outback are very good on tar and gravel. A relative has a liberty going through 350 000K's with just the usual problems.
Find someone that can maintain them as there can be some difficult bits in the transmission but thats about it.

A mate used to run his Pug on biodiesel and it was a ripper!.

[UncleHo]

G'day Chucaro :)

We have a lady friend that has had 6 Subies and wouldn't think of changing very happy,also there are a lot of the Dog Obedience people that have them both for carrying their dogs and comfort when returning from evening trials which can range fron Brisbane -Port Macquarie or north to Bunderberg, some of these cars chalk up astounding milages :eek: the other vehicle now gaining favour is the VW Caddy, both in long and short WB, and it has the options of a fully fitted interior,the diesel is very frugal, just ask Inc ;)

cheers

[Nero]

Absolutely! They'll take no cheek from anyone!

Umm I think I have been misunderstood. The Audi A8 series the various models are designated D1-D4 D2 been the first D4 been the very latest. When I said D3 I meant an Audi A8 D3 2003-2009.

[PAT303]

Also look at Skoda,they are better than most. Pat

[frantic]

If your looking mid size such as a 407 also have a look at a forester (turbo XT or even better s if you can convince the wife:D) and their liberty/outback. My father is in his 3rd wrx, an sti this time:eek: , and he was a bit 'negletful' in servicing but his last wrx was still going with 380,000k's in 6 years hard driving one clutch(was chipped at same time) and front power window. The first one was traded with only a power front window after 230,000 , same lax service schedule, and had been stolen from his house and hammered by the thieves out to tamworth then back to golburn where they hit a cop car, panels repaired driven another 70,000k's then traded. The power windows seemed to be the only common problem through constant use.

Have a look at a passat with the AWD as it's an Audi under the skin or if you want economy go the FWD diesel.

[Chucaro]

If your looking mid size such as a 407 also have a look at a forester (turbo XT or even better s if you can convince the wife:D) and their liberty/outback. My father is in his 3rd wrx, an sti this time:eek: , and he was a bit 'negletful' in servicing but his last wrx was still going with 380,000k's in 6 years hard driving one clutch(was chipped at same time) and front power window. The first one was traded with only a power front window after 230,000 , same lax service schedule, and had been stolen from his house and hammered by the thieves out to tamworth then back to golburn where they hit a cop car, panels repaired driven another 70,000k's then traded. The power windows seemed to be the only common problem through constant use.

Have a look at a passat with the AWD as it's an Audi under the skin or if you want economy go the FWD diesel.

I was looking at the Passat until I saw that runs on Premiun Unleaded fuel. That was the end.
Looking on the internet in Australian and OS sites the reports about the Subas are excellent. better reports than the 407 I guess.
Thank you for the input.

[Celtoid]

My wife has the last of the 307s...2007 model. XSE with the 2.0L petrol donk. Wanted the 2.0L oiler but couldn't find one when we needed to buy.

Lots of bells and whistles but mainly on the safety front.

It's really well made and has never had a single issue. Goes like a rocket and handles unbelieveable well.

IMO the 407 poohs all over the Subi's in looks and style.....not much use looking good if they are crap though...LOL!!! And that's the 407 Vs a Liberty....the soft roaders are not the same type of car....I recon they look like a box. :wasntme:.....which is pretty rich coming from a D4 owner.....LOL!!!

Based on our experience with the 307, I was actually looking at a 407 for her when we upgrade next year (kids have got larger :))....but I didn't realise that they are no longer made.

They are available in a 2.7 and 3.0L Oiler.....dunno about Australia though. I imagine it would be so grunty and run on an oily rag.

I thought that it was the same donk and ZF as the Discovery 3....dunno. :confused:

Guess next year I'll have to look at something else.

Cheers.

[Chucaro]

The peugeot 508 will be available from July so there will be plenty 407 in the market soon and cheaper.
I "made the mistake" yesterday of test drive a 2003 Subaru Forester 2.5 turbo with my wife and she now would like to have the this rocket as a first option :eek:
It is unreal how the XT goes and they keep the value very well.
Oh well, first the Defe have to sell.
Cheers

[TomBrulinski]

I wouldn't get one. Skoda make far better cars. The Pug will be expensive to maintain and lose value very quickly.

[frantic]

With the XT you have a virtually identical engine to the WRX so it is very easy to get it modified if you want to go a bit faster and you can find plenty of wheels and/or suspension mods to suit your taste. One of my co-workers had a very nice 03-04 forester in black with black and silver either 17 or 18 in alloys and a stainless large exhaust and a mild chip, went like a rocket and he could still do dirt roads for his surfing obsession. The only thing to check for you would be the cost of insurance as it varies greatly by suburb and driving history and age.

[Celtoid]

The peugeot 508 will be available from July so there will be plenty 407 in the market soon and cheaper.
I "made the mistake" yesterday of test drive a 2003 Subaru Forester 2.5 turbo with my wife and she now would like to have the this rocket as a first option :eek:
It is unreal how the XT goes and they keep the value very well.
Oh well, first the Defe have to sell.
Cheers

Thanks for that, I just did a bit of surfing for articles...the 508 has some pretty good write ups. I imagine it won't be cheap though...

Good to see the bosses of Peugeot are trying to get their ducks in a row with sub-contractor quality and styling.....mmmmm....sounds like a Jaguar and maybe to a lesser extent, Discovery tale.....;)

Shame you are losing your Deefer.....

Cheers,

Kev.

[Chucaro]

With the XT you have a virtually identical engine to the WRX so it is very easy to get it modified if you want to go a bit faster and you can find plenty of wheels and/or suspension mods to suit your taste. One of my co-workers had a very nice 03-04 forester in black with black and silver either 17 or 18 in alloys and a stainless large exhaust and a mild chip, went like a rocket and he could still do dirt roads for his surfing obsession. The only thing to check for you would be the cost of insurance as it varies greatly by suburb and driving history and age.

At 65 I will get a geriatic insurance premim :D
I will keep it standard and the only mod will be a GPS/reverse camera and the second battery for the Waeco.

[UncleHo]

Are you one of my mob, I have letters after my name too,OAP (old age pensioner):D:D:D

[Chucaro]

Are you one of my mob, I have letters after my name too,OAP (old age pensioner):D:D:D

We can add the AOOB (Australasian Order of Old Bastards):D

[3toes]

Only the 2.7 V6 (the same one as in the D3). The 4's are Peugeot.

Stephen.

An often miss stated belief.

The Peugeot 4 cylinder diesel engines are designed in Dagenham by Ford. Were part of the engine design program which also saw the 6 cylinder diesel engines designed.

Peugeot has the right to manufacture the 4 cylinder version hence people think it is their design.

[Chucaro]

There is a nice 4 cyl 407 for sale in Bundy, I just wonder if the V6 will be a better option. Some reports are saying the the V6 is a bullet proof engine.

[StephenF10]

An often miss stated belief.

The Peugeot 4 cylinder diesel engines are designed in Dagenham by Ford. Were part of the engine design program which also saw the 6 cylinder diesel engines designed.

Peugeot has the right to manufacture the 4 cylinder version hence people think it is their design.

The way the Wikipedia entry for the DW10 reads, it was a Peugeot design that was later co-developed with Ford ...

"The DW10 served as the basis for the Ford/PSA engine partnership using second generation common rail and a variable geometry turbocharger for the first time on the 2.0 L design."

Stephen.