LPG number plate stickers. Laws?

[pfillery]

I have standard number plate on my S3 at present. Soon to change to my personalised plates. I'm also about to fit gas. So the installer will stick the little lpg sticker to the old plates. When I change plates, is there some requirement for me to put stickers on my new plates (ie legal requirement)? I'd rather not have them on the plates if it can be avoided so can they go on the number plate frame etc. as long as they are there? As the plates can change from car to car, it would make more sense for the lpg notation to be on the car not the plate.

[bee utey]

I have standard number plate on my S3 at present. Soon to change to my personalised plates. I'm also about to fit gas. So the installer will stick the little lpg sticker to the old plates. When I change plates, is there some requirement for me to put stickers on my new plates (ie legal requirement)? I'd rather not have them on the plates if it can be avoided so can they go on the number plate frame etc. as long as they are there? As the plates can change from car to car, it would make more sense for the lpg notation to be on the car not the plate.

The new red tags should be metal plates, riveted on which can be drilled out. Ask the LPG installer to supply you with two spare plates. They will cost him less that $1 each. They are supposed to be fitted to the number plate. Sense doesn't come into it, this is a government regulation you know.

[p38arover]

Did the rules change? My car has stickers directly onto the numberplates. I note all recent conversions have, as you say, the stickers on metal plates which are riveted on.

[VladTepes]

Bloody governments.....

[bee utey]

Red metal plates on the number plates have been required since 1999 in Australia.

Quoting AS1425:2007 (similar)

7.4.3 Vehicle identification
In Australia, to indicate that a vehicle is equipped to use LP Gas as a fuel, it shall carry permanently attached to the front and rear registration plates, an approved, external metal plate not less than 1 mm thick affixed with a label complying at least with the following requirements:
(a) The plate and label size shall be not less than 25 mm square mounted as a diamond.
(b) The label colour shall be retroreflective red, complying with AS/NZS 1906.1, Class 2.
(c) The label shall have only the letters ‘LPG’ in white at least 10 mm in height.
Where a vehicle is fitted with more than one container, the vehicle shall carry an additional plate and label as above.
In New Zealand, to indicate that a vehicle is equipped to use LP Gas as a fuel, it shall have affixed as close as possible to the registration/number a plate and label complying at least with the following requirements:
(i) The plate and label size shall be 80 mm square, mounted on a diamond.
(ii) The label colour shall be retroreflective red, complying with AS/NZS 1906.1, Class 2.
(iii) The label shall have only the letters ‘LPG’ in white at least 20 mm in height.

[p38arover]

Red metal plates on the number plates have been required since 1999 in Australia.


Hmmm. My P38A was first fitted with LPG in 2001 (before I bought it).

[richard4u2]

the way i read it, the diamond dont have to be attached to the center of the plate it cold be attached to 1 of the fixing holes on the corner of the plate . the sizes given are min and it would only take a dob of solider along with a bolt through the hole of the plate to the diamond to make it permanent

[bee utey]

the way i read it, the diamond dont have to be attached to the center of the plate it cold be attached to 1 of the fixing holes on the corner of the plate . the sizes given are min and it would only take a dob of solider along with a bolt through the hole of the plate to the diamond to make it permanent

How hard is it to drill out two pop rivets and re-rivet them to another number plate?


Hmmm. My P38A was first fitted with LPG in 2001 (before I bought it).

The inability of some gas fitters to read and comprehend the instructions is a known problem...

[pfillery]

I too have to say I've never seen a plate riveted to a number plate. Only ever a sticker. Even on new lpg only cars and taxis which are normally less than 8 years old.

Surely as the owner of personalised plates, which unlike regular plates are my property to keep and do with what I want or fit to another vehicle, I could take it to task if an installer drilled holes in and riveted a plate to the middle of my number plate. Hence I will leave the old ones there and should they decide to use stickers, all well and good, but if they expect I'm going to drill plates they have got another thing coming. I'm happy to put a diamond plate adjacent to or under my plate, onto the front bumper or somewhere similar or mount a sticker to the plate which can be peeled or dissolved off if I want it removed. If my plates don't fit the car I'll tend to drill holes in the car rather than the plate unless they are standard number plates in which case I don't care.

Seems that pre warned is pre armed and any ideas of changing my plates prior to fitting gas are now on hold.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Red metal plates on the number plates have been required since 1999 in Australia.

Quoting AS1425:2007 (similar)

<snip>.I bet that standard was written by a committee, probably one that included Harold Scruby! :mad:

[Basil135]

Guys, I think it is important to realise why the stickers / plates are there for LPG installs.

If your car is involved in a prang, the fire service need to know that you have a gas system fitted. This is so that they can isolate the gas at the tank, should there be a problem, or a leak.

Now, metal v's plastic - simple really. Even if the number plate is blackened, and unreadable, a raised metal diamond in the middle of the plate is going to tell them LPG. If it is vinyl, plastic or whatever else, there is a good chance that it wont be noticeable during a fire.

Take it from me, there is nothing quiet as unsettling as standing next to a car that is on gas, that has run into a tree, the battery is shorting out internally, and we cant get to the isolation valve on the gas....

[101RRS]

When I put my 101 back on the road in 2009, the roadworthy guy did not mention anything about tags - likewise when I went to the RTA to pay my money and collect my plates - again there was no mention of having stickers or plates indicating it was LPG.

So there was no requirement from the RTS to have tags.

A year later it was me who bought the stickers and put them - so certainly the registration authorities do not seem to be aware of the the requirements.

Garry

[DeeJay]

It is a $150.00 fine in Vic.
Probably something they would ping you on if they were having a bad hair day !!
Nearly every time I refill I see another car without the tags, so obviously well down the priority list.
I bet its something they check on these roadside RWC checks - where there is 6 cars a time pulled over...

[Galoop]

I went to buy lpg stickers and looked everywhere, finaly found out at a lpg installer that the stickers are now illiegal (in WA at least).
Two lpg plates cost five bucks and I just screwed them in with the same screws as the private plates as I didnt want to make any more holes in the plates as they already cost a few hundred bucks.
Apparently you have to have them so if you are involved in a incident the fireies and cops can isolate the tank or work around it, its also for insurance as well.
Also if you have two lpg tanks you need two lpg tags on every licence plate, three tanks three tags, etc.
Mind you thats WAs regs, cant answer on anything east of the boarder.

[pfillery]

Guys, I think it is important to realise why the stickers / plates are there for LPG installs.

If your car is involved in a prang, the fire service need to know that you have a gas system fitted. This is so that they can isolate the gas at the tank, should there be a problem, or a leak.

Now, metal v's plastic - simple really. Even if the number plate is blackened, and unreadable, a raised metal diamond in the middle of the plate is going to tell them LPG. If it is vinyl, plastic or whatever else, there is a good chance that it wont be noticeable during a fire.

Take it from me, there is nothing quiet as unsettling as standing next to a car that is on gas, that has run into a tree, the battery is shorting out internally, and we cant get to the isolation valve on the gas....

With some installs I've seen it would be downright dangerous to even try and isolate a valve on the tank if the vehicle was on fire. Who wants to crawl under a burning 4x4 or ute to find the box, try to open it and turn the gas off. You can't even see the tank under sone of these cars, or it is hidden away internally.

I know I'm playing devils advocate here, but if you have a plate fitted over some personalised number plates, particularly the slimline or US style as are an option in qld, no matter where the plate was mounted it would obscure part of at least one of the letters or numbers, which technically is also an offence. So you do the wrong thing and wind up in trouble, as do you for the right thing. Catch 22!

[isuzurover]

I know I'm playing devils advocate here, but if you have a plate fitted over some personalised number plates, particularly the slimline or US style as are an option in qld, no matter where the plate was mounted it would obscure part of at least one of the letters or numbers, which technically is also an offence. So you do the wrong thing and wind up in trouble, as do you for the right thing. Catch 22!


:angel:

There are always options...
http://www.photosbyworm.com/images/plates.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/New_Vic_Taxi_Plate.jpg/220px-New_Vic_Taxi_Plate.jpg
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Personally I can't see the problem with drilling 2 tiny holes in a plate.

Btw - the replacement cost of personalised plates is only a small fraction of the original purchase price if you later fit them to a vehicle without LPG and don't like the holes...

[The ho har's]

We have just returned from Qld Transport with our brand new rego plates for the 101 which runs on petrol/gas :D

We were informed by Dept of Engery and Mines that it is a requirement to have the LPG STICKERS on your number plates, he said you can get metal if you wish:) He also said you can buy them from any auto gas fitting place @$1.00 ea.

Mrs hh:angel:

[bee utey]

The OP asked about the law.

I posted it up. All states follow AS1425.

Whether you follow the law is up to you.

A verbal OK from an official is not the same as reading it in print.

For those afraid of 2 tiny holes devaluing their number plate :eek: on a series Land Rover a dob of sikaflex also counts as permanently attatched according to some fitters...

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The OP asked about the law.

I posted it up. All states follow AS1425.

Whether you follow the law is up to you.

A verbal OK from an official is not the same as reading it in print.

For those afraid of 2 tiny holes devaluing their number plate :eek: on a series Land Rover a dob of sikaflex also counts as permanently attatched according to some fitters...With my personalised plates, I'd be affraid that the permanent urothane bond would not release without damaging the plates.
:angel:
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Personally I can't see the problem with drilling 2 tiny holes in a plate.

Btw - the replacement cost of personalised plates is only a small fraction of the original purchase price if you later fit them to a vehicle without LPG and don't like the holes...I paid $45 for my personalised plates and a re-make is between $75 and $100.

[isuzurover]

I paid $45 for my personalised plates and a re-make is between $75 and $100.

:angel:

There is always one (and it is usually Diana... :p)

[Blknight.aus]

Take it from me, there is nothing quiet as unsettling as standing next to a car that is on gas, that has run into a tree, the battery is shorting out internally, and we cant get to the isolation valve on the gas....

Sure there is....

when the tanks on fire and the idiot who did the install vented the safety vent tube UNDER the tank.

I calmly joined the Fireys in backing up all the vehicles 500+m and then blocking the road with the trucks and waiting on the lee side of the trucks for that one.

[Pierre]

Can't believe what I'm reading....

Anal over number plates - you're worse than Penny Wong.

Pete

[weeds]

Can't believe what I'm reading....

Anal over number plates - you're worse than Penny Wong.

Pete

meow............:p

[Basil135]

Sure there is....

when the tanks on fire and the idiot who did the install vented the safety vent tube UNDER the tank.

I calmly joined the Fireys in backing up all the vehicles 500+m and then blocking the road with the trucks and waiting on the lee side of the trucks for that one.

Ok. I will give you that one...

I have seen some vids of bleve's, and figure I dont want to be anywhere near one if / when it goes...