Misfueling tool troubles

[Jesse B]

A word of warning re the pesky misfueling device that Nanny LR have fitted to stop idiots putting petrol in their diesel vehicles: take very good care of the two front "teeth" on the yellow plastic resetting tool, coz if you lose even one it won't work!!

My misfueling device was triggered after I filled up at a remote pastoral station where the nozzle was obviously not a standard diesel job. When I discovered this I searched the glove-box for the tool, and found that one of the teeth had been snapped off - perhaps not surprisingly after floating around among all manner of items in there for 18 months or so. Not a problem, I thought - should still work. Hah - no way! Needs both teeth to release that accursed yellow flap.

Being about 1500 km from home I was very thankful that it is in fact quite possible to refuel with the device triggered, so long as you're patient, and you experiment with the angle of the pump nozzle. When I went to order a replacement my dealer said they'd just supplied another, about a week ago - to replace one that had lost both teeth! So it seems they are not the sturdiest items - might pay to bubble-wrap and take care where you store it. Never good to have tool troubles in remote locations...

[Graeme]

I keep mine under the jack strap but have never been particularly careful with its handling, so better check it out tomorrow.

[101RRS]

Silly question - but what is this pesky refuelling device - where do I find it on my RRS.

Thanks

[Graeme]

Only for MY10 onwards.

[Disomania]

Hmm.. mine is in slot in the foam under the hatch in the back - mind you, I only have the 2.7 and do not have the 3rd row of seats.

[ADMIRAL]

As noted under the FAQ's, the misfueling device will not stop you filling the diesel tank with some variants of premium unleaded, which can have different fill nozzle sizes.

[davman]

Does the D4 allow you to fill up with a HIGH FLOW diesel bowser nozzle?

[Disco4SE]

Does the D4 allow you to fill up with a HIGH FLOW diesel bowser nozzle?
There may be a way but I have tried and failed :(
Cheers, Craig

[stig0000]

They do but only the older pumps... the newer hiflows seem to be bigger again.. was at bp last nite and that new high flowwas a prity tight fit even in my defender...

[Jesse B]

On perhaps half a dozen occasions in various parts of rural and remote(r) WA I've had to use the hi-flow pumps as they were the only option, and I've found that while you can't shove the nozzle down the neck you can still get a tank full - so long as you're patient and gentle on the trigger. Mind you, even being gentle on the trigger of these hi-flows is not that much slower than some ordinary diesel pumps I've encountered - grow old and die before the tank's full! Sometimes think it's a blessing not taking on 150 litres or more at a time.

So, having not yet found any of stig's monster nozzles, I can say that yes, it seems to be generally possible, with patience and a good aim.

[NauticAl]

I filled my new D4 at the Peak station in Kwinana using the hi-flow truck bowser and had no problems. The nozzle needed to be held at the right angle and it did need holding - it won't fit into the hole inside the fill pipe, but I was filling at at least twice the rate of the usual nozzles. I had no problems with blow back but I was careful to slow down a bit toward the top!

The "anti-gasoline" device might be a pain in the bum, but I got a call from a friend of mine with an almost brand new LC200 a while ago - he had just pumped 40 litres of PULP into his diesel tank. He has no idea why he did it and he is old enough to know better. Being in the oil business, I did the hero thing :angel:and turned out with a 200 litre drum, some hoses and a rotary pump and we managed to get a suction hose into the top of the tank (from under the car) to pump it out. I did some calculations on the dilution of the diesel with gasoline and worked out by topping the tank with diesel we got the dilution down to under 2%. THis will not cause any operational problems - only potential legal ones.

Cheers

Al

[theresanothersteve]

The "anti-gasoline" device might be a pain in the bum, but I got a call from a friend of mine with an almost brand new LC200 a while ago - he had just pumped 40 litres of PULP into his diesel tank. He has no idea why he did it...

My wife pulled into a Caltex (she had a Woolies discount voucher) one dark, wintery night and proceeded to fill the D3. Took 80 litres.

Drove off, turned a corner and the thing just died. The RAA came out, said 'hmm' and sent for a flat top. Tooh it to British 4x4 and the worst was confirmed, 80 litres of unleaded.

The issue here is the branding, all the pumps are in dark colours and called vortex this and vortex that. The names meant nothing and in the bad light the colours did not register. (At least Shell use red and yellow for petrol and black for diesel). And she's owned diesels for 15 years.

The good part of the story is the error codes that stopped the motor came from the rear fuel pump - low fuel and fuel viscosity warnings. The computer shut everything down before the petrol got to the injector pump or injectors. So we just had to replace the filters and pay labour on a good flush out of the fuel system. 6 months down the track fuel consumption is still the same, and no loss of performance so we are confident there is no real damage (except to her pride).

I've looked at the aftermarket devices that only allow diesel fillers since...

[Graeme]

I initially was going to replace the filler with one from a D3 because my local servo has only 1 diesel bowser and its high-flow. However by holding the nozzle squarely against the filler, I can get a good flow until almost full. I wont be removing the device so as to retain some insurance against making a mistake elsewhere.

[driftn69]

Had the same issue traveling through Kalgoorlie recently, the solution for me was a piece of high tensile fencing wire from the broken down fence around the BP servo, cut about 300mm long, bent the ends to 90dgs at about 6mm long, then bent it around to form a handle with the ends parellel. It's then just a matter of slotting them into the slots in the top of the filler tuber and gently pulling up.
Maybe a little rough and ready but it works and the crap plastic tool looked at home in the bin, put the home made one with the jack.

Cheers Colin

[DunnToImpress]

Colin
I know it is an old post but thanks for your guidance,
After managing to trip the flap while fueling up from Jerry Cans i have struggled the last three months to fill my car!!!! Still cant beleive you pay $120,000 for a car and dont get a cheap plastic tool with it!!!
Anyway after reading your description and a bit of Googling i fashioned up one my Forks from home, little bit of bending here and there and hey presto that dastardly little yellow flap has been reset!!!
Appreciate your help and AULRO group for all their help.
Rohan

[DiscoJeffster]

Colin
I know it is an old post but thanks for your guidance,
After managing to trip the flap while fueling up from Jerry Cans i have struggled the last three months to fill my car!!!! Still cant beleive you pay $120,000 for a car and dont get a cheap plastic tool with it!!!
Anyway after reading your description and a bit of Googling i fashioned up one my Forks from home, little bit of bending here and there and hey presto that dastardly little yellow flap has been reset!!!
Appreciate your help and AULRO group for all their help.
Rohan

You do get one. It’s in the toolkit. If yours doesn’t, did you buy it second hand and maybe the previous owner misplaced it, else visit the dealer for one.

[DunnToImpress]

I am sure i am supposed to get one, but i didnt!!! Car is now 5 years old, cant imagine if I rocked into JLR saying i never got one that they would just hand one over. No problems, the Fork did the trick anyway, just need to be more mindful when filling from the Jerry cans,

[letherm]

Car is now 5 years old, cant imagine if I rocked into JLR saying i never got one that they would just hand one over.

You don't if you don't ask.[smilebigeye]

Mine was in the glovebox. I presume you've opened that once or twice in 5 years.[bigsmile1]

Martin

[Salt grinder]

So it seems they are not the sturdiest items - might pay to bubble-wrap and take care where you store it. Never good to have tool troubles in remote locations...[/QUOTE]


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Mine had been triggered by the previous owner. I used to curse and cuss trying to input the diesel until I found the "device" with a broken tooth.
So I just made this one in the pic attached . . . . piece of fencing wire or old coat hanger (not necessarily old) will do the job. Doing it held in the vice makes it easy. Wire length 60mm - fold it in the middle so that the ends are even - grip the tips in the vice so that it can be hammered over at right angles 10mm is good - then grip it 3/4 way down & use screw driver to put in a few twists to make it sturdy. The little kink in the legs is a self adjustment to make it slot into the lift holes a little easier. Adjust the width of the legs to suit the holes . . . . cost = just 10 minutes of your valuable time. Don't forget to test it before you go bush.

Re the high flow issue . . . the oversize nozzles are a pain. How much time do you save anyhow ? About 30sec which you use cleaning up the mess it makes.
Some bowsers (BP) do have a high flow button on a standard diesel nozzle if time is important, personally I happy to stretch the legs and get of my backside for a while.

Safe travels . . . . .
Salt grinder

[DunnToImpress]

I am going past JLR tomorrow, may just drop i an try my luck!!!!
thought i would share my little home made tool, it doesn't photograph well but it worked, and now safely resides in the toolbox.
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[haydent]

... a remote pastoral station where the nozzle was obviously not a standard diesel job....and found that one of the teeth had been snapped off -

Would you believe it ! I just tried to fill up at the IOR Oil Refinery in Far West QLD Eromanga, and it triggered it, they must have put a spare ULP nozzle on the diesel bowser, and mine too had only 1 tooth left, had i known it was those tiny little teeth that are critical, i might have looked after it better....


I've had to use the hi-flow pumps as they were the only option, and I've found that while you can't shove the nozzle down the neck you can still get a tank full -.

Yes, can confirm if had to fill up a couple of times with the high flow as only option, and you barely have to squeeze it, you think its going to take ages, but if you look at the readouts it nearly full in no time, you just have to listen for it to be full as it wont click off without overflowing some.


Colin
i fashioned up one my Forks from home, little bit of bending here and there and hey presto that dastardly little yellow flap has been reset!!!


This was a great tip, as had to forks in the caravan, and its a great strength vs flexibility for tool manufacture. This made the job so much easier and quick, and will become the permanent tool.

Picture to come

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[Redback]

I wondered what that thing was, never had any of these misfueling issues in the 14yrs we've owned the car, I could not even tell you where this device is now.

[discomatt69]

If you continue to use any brain cells and put diesel in a diesel vehicle the plastic piece of crap has no significance

[BradC]

If you continue to use any brain cells and put diesel in a diesel vehicle the plastic piece of crap has no significance

Until you use a jerry can or funnel with a spout that's too small.

[DieselLSE]

If you continue to use any brain cells and put diesel in a diesel vehicle the plastic piece of crap has no significance
Yeah but. No but. The flap can be triggered by trying to refuel from a jerry can or funnel of some sort. In this case you could be stranded if you don't have the tool. One of the first things I did to my D4 was to replace the fuel filler with a dual one from Brown Davis which also fills a second tank. Just one less thing to fail when remote travelling.

[discomatt69]

I hadn't thought of the jerrycan issue, I have a long range tank with the duel fill so never been a problem or consideration for me

[haydent]

I hadn't thought of the jerrycan issue, I have a long range tank with the duel fill so never been a problem or consideration for me

if you would read some other recent past post in a thread before posting in such a critical manner ! mostly this is getting triggered by people filling from the correct diesel bowser, the problems is the bowser has an unleaded petrol nozzle installed by mistake ...

[discomatt69]

if you had 2 brain cells you would read some other recent past post in a thread before posting in such a critical manner ! mostly this is getting triggered by people filling from the correct diesel bowser, the problems is the bowser has an unleaded petrol nozzle installed by mistake ...
Thanks for the kind words, next time I will try and use both at once[bigrolf]

[Jeffoir]

Until you use a jerry can or funnel with a spout that's too small.
Yes, exactly this! Happened to me in Birdsville at 4.00 in the morning, using a Jerry can.
I had the device and used it for a good result. Then One of the teeth broke off, so I purchased a replacement once home. $50.
I like the modified fork tool! You can make a few of these for $50!!! Haha.
thank you.
best wishes, Jeff.

[Redback]

I hadn't thought of the jerrycan issue, I have a long range tank with the duel fill so never been a problem or consideration for me

I have a long range too also, I've used jerry cans many times and still never had this issue, even with a funnel, a Mr Funnel in fact for remote servos, PITA with a longrange tank[bighmmm]

[jwb]

Scrunnel works brilliantly with the D4 for jerry cans. Don't think it's going to work on the L663 tho.